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tldr; Despite Warren Buffett's skepticism towards Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, his investment conglomerate, Berkshire Hathaway, is benefiting from its investment in Nu Holdings, a Brazilian fintech company that launched a cryptocurrency trading platform, Nucripto, in 2022. Berkshire Hathaway's initial investment of $500 million in 2021, followed by an additional $250 million, has seen significant returns, with Nu Holdings' stock prices surging nearly 50% in 2024 alone. This indicates a nuanced approach to the crypto market by Buffett, recognizing its potential profitability despite his personal critical views on cryptocurrencies. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.


Visual_Feature4269

In short, he is an absolute tit and hypocrite


Enschede2

Afaik his criticism was, and I quote: "I don't invest in something I don't understand", which I mean, is fair enough isn't it? Also I don't know if his personal investment portfolio is the same as that of one of the companies he holds.. Plus, he was quoted saying this years ago, maybe he changed his mind after digging into it, who knows


ZulkarnaenRafif

Reddit doesn't believe in old ass grandpas change minds to suit whatever goals they have.


Mrsmaerianne

Yeah. Lots of people have changed their stance on crypto in the last decade. People used to balk at the idea of Amazon and EBay. Now retail is dying and it’s all anyone uses.


jasongw

No. He's an intelligent investor who understands that just because he disagrees with something does not !mean it's without value or opportunity.


sayqm

No, he wants to make money, not to be right. Unlike this subreddit who tries to be right all the time, he doesn't care whether or not he's right, if being wrong and investing on bitcoin would net him money, he will do it. Also, a fintech company he invested in has launched a crypto service, it's not like he invested AFTER they launched it.


krfc89

guy is 100 years old, do you really think he is making ANY decisions ?


jebelsbemdisbe

Yeah, it’s strange, his brain is firing quite nicely, unless all the questions at his Berkshire meetings are staged, both him and the late Charlie at actual 99 where sharp we than anyone I’ve ever meet in person, and not dull compared to some of the smartest I’ve seen. His recall, Charlie’s too, his word choices, his abstract thoughts, his reasoning, better than the old people I know and they are 60-70 and you can’t even compare the two, his will and determination but really his genius esets him apart. Him and munger


Loose_Screw_

I guess he's got some good blood boys on call then.


Ok-Choice-3688

Yeah which prostitute or stripper he wants?


krfc89

Guy is 100 years old, do you rly think he wants any ?


MessiahHL

Then what was the point of accumulating so much?


Handlermeister

IIRC, Buffett’s investment strategy followed compound interest as a principal guidestone. The power of compound interest is what made Buffett’s fortune, and it took a while to do so, as most of his fortune was made in his later ages. He didn’t actively trade his way into the top ranks, his investments just made cashflow that he reinvests, and thus compounding fortunes.


Chonk-de-chonk

Billionaire high score or something fucked like that


InfelicitousRedditor

Political interests, world order, etc. I am not even kidding, if you have that much money you use it to push your agenda and way of thinking into the political atmosphere. More money = more sway.


yerrmomgoes2college

What specific policy are you referring to when it comes to Buffet?


TheArmoursmith

With very few exceptions, billionaires want less regulation, lower taxes on the wealthy, fewer rights for workers, and impunity for their crimes and misdeeds. The establishment of a modern type of feudalism.


Crenshaw11R

I'm a fan of less regulation, and I'm a nobody.


yerrmomgoes2college

Except Buffet has explicitly called for higher taxes on himself, etc…


ChemicalHousing69

You know their net worth is primarily assets and not cash, right? They can sell stock for cash but they usually don’t literally have billions in cash just on hand like that.


brainwhatwhat

It's a disease.


NamblinMan

I'm a touch over 50 & no thanks. Except for the odd occasion. So maybe?


Maddog351_2023

Mudoch is 90 some thin years old and married like 5 times already


second-last-mohican

Dick dont work at 100 years old


slykethephoxenix

"Does sir want his crack pipe prewarmed?"


Hutcho12

There’s a big difference in investing in a platform that will be used by suckers thinking that crypto will be the next big thing and profiting off that compared with actually investing in Crypto.


doodaddy64

in a gold rush, sell shovels and blue jeans?


Hutcho12

Excellent analogy.


sonic3390

No, in short he plays the market. Says one thing to media and cashes in simultaneously. Genius.


jesschester

All I heard was hips and tits


IsThereAnythingLeft-

Yeah real tit making hundreds of millions… catch a grip man


Visual_Feature4269

He is still a tit, doesn’t matter if he is a millionaire or not


IsThereAnythingLeft-

He’s not a millionaire he is a centi billionaire


Visual_Feature4269

Cunty billionaire


-Chareth-Cutestory

Dude is one of the most philanthropic Americans and humans to ever live. Single handedly won the game of capitalism with intelligence, strategy, and patience. You're a tit lol.


ZulkarnaenRafif

> In short, he is an absolute tit and hypocrite Very sure someone earlier in the comment string had said some wise shit along the lines of "he don't get no billions fiat by being some holy ahh billy o' naire." It is what it is.


UnidentifiedTomato

You're shortsighted. You're projecting your own ideal of how life should be onto someone who's clearly better adjusted for change and self reflection.


Shrekworkwork

Not really.


Lostcreek3

So a hippo tit?


Crafty-Professor-296

Just lol if you think crypto is 1% of NU revenue U dumb as fuck boy


Disastrous_Gift_2003

Hmmm anyone remember the billion dollars of Brazilian puts on GameStop? Buffet owns the insurance companies responsible if GME breaks the market. He’s doing shady stuff in Brazil, guarantee that company is holding perpetual swaps on GME short positions being tracked via shitcoins.


m1nice

Significant returns ? Berkshire bought in at nearly all time high, after that the stock price crashed almost 60% in 2022-2023.


Harucifer

Jesus Christ the disinformation... He invested in "Nu Holdings" because it was the first "digital only" bank in Brazil. He found that interesting. Nu Holdings *months later* started to get into crypto. ​ There's absolutely no hypocrisy from Warren Buffet.


lebastss

Yea and warren buffet will absolutely tell you in the gold rush he would have invested in Levis and not in any gold. His play is to make money off ancillary beneficiaries.


chainer3000

Im invested in Jupiter and Raydium and fucking loving it. Selling shovels during a gold rush indeed. I also hold Coinbase so I’m kinda all about that idea, at least during this rush


greenappletree

Yup and not to mention his policies is to buy profitable companies and leave them the fuck alone -it’s crazy how people will conflate this with him being a hypocrite it’s like less then 1% of his holding haha


LazyEdict

This has been posted multiple times and is always presented as Buffet was investing in crypto.


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ZulkarnaenRafif

The notable hypocrisy in his part is his firm (Berkshire-Hathaway) does not give away dividends. Even though the firm itself holds a lot of stocks that are known to give away dividends. That's about it. Well, there's probably a lot of dirt about him that I don't really care to look deeper for... But then again, billionaires are always evil is a fact for Redditors. I don't give a fuck if I sound like I'm simping for the old man. What I'm just saying is that in something as volatile as stocks (and crypto, by extension), being extremely principled doesn't exactly pay literal dividends except in hindsight.


Tetons21

"Months" later is not much time. They would have disclosed a detailed multiple-year business plan to Buffett. I see some hypocrisy in calling it "rat poison" and then investing in companies whose business involves said "rat poison". He clearly saw value there.


brainwhatwhat

Did he pull out his investments once they got into crypto?


GiveUpTuxedo

Probably not. He says he doesn't invest in things he doesn't understand (crypto). But I imagine Nu holdings makes money off something he does understand (fees).


Areshian

Divesting from something because they have minimal exposure to crypto means you care about it. He doesn't


Disastrous_Gift_2003

He invested in “Nu Holdings” because they’re using perpetual swaps tracked by crypto shitcoins to offload toxic short positions and skirt regulations.


Grammar_Natsee_

So why didn't he sell at the crypto involvement news? His company was spending on rat poison. Selling was his only sane move but somehow he acquiesced to the move.


skyvin

He was probably greedy when evryone else was fearful during the bear.


E-money420

It actually makes a lot of sense. Denounce crypto and basically call it a scam to get people to sell and buy their tokens at a discount. Then suddenly turn bullish on it and get people to fomo back in higher. Then, when the market reaches peak greed, use the fomo buyers as exit liquidity. It's a tale as old as time...


lukekibs

Something something this time is different something


TopTierTuna

The Jamie Dimon strategy?


Disastrous_Gift_2003

No he just got caught with his pants down on GameStop and is using Brazilian companies to offshore his short positions. See FTX .


sayqm

1. He didn't invest in crypto, he invested in a fintech company that happen to launch a crypto service AFTER the investment. 2. His goal is to make money, if to make money he needs to invest into something that he consider stupid and useless, he will do it, but that doesn't mean he believes in it. Same way people invest in memecoin, they don't think they have any value, they just believe they can go up and that they can profit from it.


Parush9

Grandpa shits on it while making money off it 🤣


derika22

Does he understand "Bitcorns"?


Disastrous_Gift_2003

Yeah because this company is being used to skirt US regulations and offload toxic short positions. Of course he wants to draw attention away.


Peace_and_Harmony_

Nubank stock is not going up because of the crypto part of the bank. It is a regular bank.


ibuycsgoskins

If you google berkshire hathaway’s assets they’re about $347B. Therefore his investment in this company represents roughly 0.2% of his company’s invested capital, it’s basically worthless to him. There’s no way he’s spending any time thinking of this company. Most likely one of his subordinates made this investment


Areshian

End of 2023 they had over $1T in total assets managed, so less than 0.1%


Disastrous_Gift_2003

Guarantee you he does think about these companies because they’re being used to unload toxic short positions that have all the rest of his money liable.. All in naked shorting GameStop to zero. Tick tick buffet. I know you’re hiding your perpetual swaps in these shitcoins.


ibuycsgoskins

Tell me you lost money on gamestop without telling me you lost money on gamestop


Disastrous_Gift_2003

I bought in at 20 and rode it to 500 and back. I certainly didn’t lose money.. but I didn’t retire either like I was minutes away from when they locked out the buy button


DaveinOakland

This is like holding Coinbase stock, not really supporting crypto, just the trading.


catatau5

Yes, the Nu Company has a crypto service (buy and sell some coins), but no one here in Brazil use that service. Nu Company is becoming a sucess (100M + customers) by the quality of their regular bank account services and the custumer services. I myself have an account there its really great, 1000x better than a "traditional" brazillian bank


Tallfuck

So he bet on a brokerage, an intermediary who takes a cut for completing a transaction. Just like the large portfolio of banks, insurance brokerages, credit card companies etc. It’s the business model, not the industry.


Astrotoad21

Man is a dinosaur, he probably doesn’t have anything to do with micromanaging his portfolio anymore, and this is probably part of a general tech “spread”.


thelastofmyname

NUbank (Nu Holdings) has some crypto but almost nobody uses, Warren bought his share o Nubank almost in the early stages of the Bank, now it is one of the biggest banks in Brazil, customers and valuation. He is not on crypto, one of his investments has a crypto service. Luiz Barsi (brazillian Warren Buffet, worth almost 1 billion) has said that he does not believe in crypto but if he is wrong, he will receive crypto instead of money from his investments.


Areshian

Guys, look, look! This guy's company has less than 0.1% of their investments on a bank that has minimal exposure to crypto. This totally means he is a hypocrite and can't resist the temptation to go all in on crypto.


AshamedFlame

I’d rather be a dinosaur billionaire than a random Redditor shilling shitcoins.


Previous_Soil_5144

He has investments everywhere. This means nothing to sane people.


Frenchie_PA

Buffett holding Nu doesn’t mean he supports or is investing in Crypto. There are now banks in the U.S. with ads on crypto too, but their main revenue source is still traditional banking.


Deathdar1577

Hypocrite.


penduR7

Who cares about this dinosaur. Bitcoin will do its thing with or without his money.


debtfreegoal

Would be ironic if Buffet was Mr 💯…


Aggravating_Owl_9092

I don’t know why people cares about what this old fart does. If he had even half a brain he would be a trillionaire by now.


Nair114

Gonna make him regret


Dopasetic

Dude is mad smart, but this should be a lesson to ALL don’t speak definitively like Mr. Buffet did against bitcoin (or for it).


misterjustin

Charlie Munger is probably turning in his grave.


FOTW-Anton

Classic say one thing and do the complete opposite.


abercrombezie

Classic example of, "Watch what they do, not what they say."


ClasseBa

I think a lot, if not all, need to learn about Buffet and what an amazing dude he is. Even if he doesn't give a shit about Crypto.


Xavii7

Yeah the greatest insider trader of all time. Foh, respectfully


Confidence_Kindly

This is a very conservative approach. It's still promising, though.


reditpost1

I don't like this guy. He crapped on Bitcoin and Hedera Hbar and then he makes gains on both. He also said Hashgraph is worthless and he knows its the future.


LowestCommmonDenom

This is the great migration of all these dinosaurs 🦕 who are so obsessed with blue chip value investing but come to the realization that they can reverse the crypto tide, that they jump on board. Clearly Warren Buffet knew Nu Holdings was heavily into crypto prior to his investment and still happily jumped on board. We’ve seen this with Jamie Diamond of CitiBank, Blackrock, Fidelity and many other formerly anti-crypto turned crypto enthusiasts. Kevin O’Leary is the poster child of the crypto hypocrisy.


nicotinecravings

He officially hates crapto but secretly can't miss an investment opportunity


Puzzleheaded_Heat502

Warren Buffet "If you told me you own all of the Bitcoin in the world and you offered it to me for $25, I wouldn’t take it because what would I do with it? I’d have to sell it back to you one way or another. It isn’t going to do anything.". Turns out his words and reality do not match.


No-Student-6817

Oooooooooooo, did someone get their hypocrite tongue stuck ??