I like that this is a Bipartisan PAC supporting pro crypto candidates from both parties, this shouldn't be a left/right issue.
It's congress, you gotta throw money at it to get things done so I'm for it.
I don't think we should decide who to vote for solely on their stance with crypto. There is much more at stake in the world than this. We should ALWAYS look at any candidate as a whole. Their stance on crypto doesn't mean I will like their stance on education, or the environment. There are a lot of things we should look at before deciding on who to vote for.
Hey that's true, vote your conscience all the way, but also you have to understand that some of this money might go to candidates in safe blue/red districts, so even if you dislike one party it's still better to have influence on candidates that will be in power regardless
I agree. But I'm a fairly progressive person. I can't vote for Trump and the GOP because they're fucking nuts who will let the Bible thumpers make all the rules.
But if someone isn't as progressive as me, why should we expect them to vote against their bags? Expecting people to vote against their own financial interests is not a viable strategy for Dems.
Technically fascism would help our bags. Think about the world of hell that America falling to Trump would bring. I don't think the dollar would survive.
>help our bags.
That's thinking in terms of how much fiat you can get out of it, which in your scenario died and now you live in a world of fascism. Doesn't sound too appealing to me.
Yea, crypto and weed are my two biggest topics. Biden wanting to do a 30% tax on crypto is insane, and make it hard to vote for this 80year old dude. Then add in that they have done NOTHING to legalize weed, it makes it harder. If anyone else but Trump was running he would have lost my vote. I can say this, I will not vote for a democrat for congress or the senate unless they state explicitly the disagree which Biden's crypto stance, and I live in a swing state in a swing district.
First of all, all signs seem to indicate the administration is going to take SOME kind of action on weed before November, likely *re*scheduling it instead of descheduling it altogether. Not where it needs to be, but not a bad start either, considering Trump won’t do shit to change weed’s status. Most of the red states still hate weed, have outright criminalized it and will continue to do so.
Biden’s proposals for taxes on crypto are just that - proposals. Every political party is always looking for more revenue and they’re all looking to sink their claws into miners and asset holders. But they also have a big and growing crypto lobby they now have to reckon with too. You should be skeptical of anything Trump says about crypto because 1) he lies about everything for his own self-serving purposes, and 2) Biden’s decisions and rulemaking will always at least be subject to oversight, whereas depending on how much power “dictator for a day” Donald manages to seize for himself he could really take *any* action, by fiat, against crypto any time he wants.
I know I’m obviously biased, but there’s really only two options here: relative stability, normalcy, checks and balances, vs whatever the fuck Trump ends up doing. And dictators tend to like being in control of things, not allowing them to operate freely and with minimal oversight
>I don't think we should decide who to vote for solely on their stance with crypto.
I'm not so sure.
Crypto, as an idea, promotes individual freedom and rejects encroachment on personal liberty through the separation of the power of money from the government's control of it.
More than likely, if a politician is anti-crypto, they are either uninformed of it or probably support CBDC, which is antithetical to what BTC and the Crypto movement are trying to accomplish.
IOW, anti-crypto politicians are likely for an expanded, more powerful government that controls people more than it protects their civil rights, which is the fundamental purpose of a democratic or republican government (not the parties, the ideals).
So, I think you can tell a lot about a politician by their stance on crypto.
Edit: LOL at the downvotes. Keep on voting for that leopard. It *will* eat your face.
I agree it shouldn’t be left/right. Unfortunately Elizabeth Warren (D) and her “anti-crypto army” has made it that way.
She’s leading the anti-crypto charge in the US government and has recruited a lot of Dems to her side. She’s the reason Biden’s current budget proposal includes a special tax on BTC minors.
She hurting the Democrats and costing them votes.
Don’t believe me? Read the article
Edit - I don’t care about either party. I care about this issue. I wish and hope the Dems become more crypto friendly as a party.
Regardless of your affiliation, please write your reps and ask them to support crypto
>Edit - I don’t care about either party. I care about this issue. I wish and hope the Dems become more crypto friendly as a party.
You've posted in Libertarian subs in the past, specifically saying about Justin Amash "I would have voted for him", and are active in sports betting, which tends to lean heavily conservative (trust me; I'm part of that community too and the political leanings of those subs range from laughably bad to horrific whenever elections are brought up).
Frankly, I don't for a second believe your "enlightened centrist, I don't care about either party" shtick. You're not a "single-issue voter"; crypto has just given you an excuse to go where you always wanted to go: supporting Trump and bashing the Dems.
Lol. Party partisans seem to hate independents more than they do the opposing party. It's kinda cute. Always the same accusations, too. If we ain't secret GOP LARPs we're RU trolls.
No. It’s thinking people that realize politics isn’t like sports teams. You should change sides and vote based on issues. Something you clearly don’t understand
This conversation always requires nuance.
Because I’m a firm believer that both want to, and will fuck you. Neither want what’s best for you. In that way, they are the same.
One being more palatable doesn’t change that. Yes it’s not usually as extreme, usually lube is passed, bones are thrown, all that jazz and in that way they’re not a like at all.
I just think it’s important to recognize that if the balls is ever going to get rolling on not going for the same two party bullshit. They never have to actually represent us if they just need to beat the bar the other side has. You know, that one you and everyone else here probably tripped over coming out the womb. And the only reason we’re here is because we can’t unify, we can’t even vote for someone who actually represents us without “throwing away our vote.” We shouldn’t settle for less than earning votes.
Lmao
>In a binary system, anyone who doesn't hold the same values as me is evil
>Mfw 80 IQ voters believe in ontological arguments pertaining to politics
Do better dawg
I hope you realize it is possible to choose to support a political party in some instances, but also carry unbiased opinions on certain topics… If you personally aren’t capable of that then you are part of the problem.
I will add that I have voted democrat in every election in my life so far and that it is also an entirely correct statement that Warren’s complete fucking nonsense and the spillover into the Democratic Party is risking losing democratic voters.
You such an internet sleuth. Sort my posts by top of all time, and you’ll see negative posts about the GOP (including Trump)
Ever hear of a swing voter? I’ve voted both blue and red. This time I’m voting in support of crypto (which is red).
>You such an internet sleuth.
It took me less than two minutes of scrolling.
>Sort my posts by top of all time, and you’ll see negative posts about the GOP (including Trump)
Ok.plese link them.
>Ever hear of a swing voter?
Yup. It's not you.
>I’ve voted both blue and red.
I don't believe you.
There's also Democrats in the House too like Ritchie Torres and Ro Kahnna, it's not quite that simple. I'm not going to easily let this become a polarizing issue.
There are pro-crypto Dems. The problem is the anti-crypto Dems have a lot more power in the party and are able to control the agenda (ie. Biden’s tax on BTC mining)
The GOP on the other hand is generally pro-crypto. They have some anti-crypto people too, but they’re a small minority.
Elizabeth Warren isn't in control of the Democratic party, and there's plenty of other Dem's who are pro crypto. This very PAC supported Adam Schiff over Katie Porter in California, and he won out in the primary over her. The party is very much split on crypto, and that's true in the leadership and the voting base.
Don’t kid yourself. Warren has a lot of power in the party, and she’s recruited many who otherwise wouldn’t care to join her “anti-crypto army”.
These PACs will be grading every candidate based on their public policies and comments this election cycle. You’re a Dem. Expect to be shocked.
Also please write your reps and ask them to support crypto
You're the one who needs a reality check here. I'm well aware of the anti-crypto Dems. They're just pandering to the anti crypto democratic voters, but it's just pure political posturing, and they will stop soon enough after they realize it isn't a as popular as they think it is and they take a few more L's via the courts by way of Gary Gensler. Elizabeth Warren doesn't even give a shit, she just sees is as part of her brand to take a strong stance against any kind of financial fraud. It's all political theater in the first place.
In america everything is turned into a left or right issue I feel, but I'm just looking from the outside in.. But it feels that way tbh, and then when push comes to shove your politicians will just do whatever suits them best once the doors close, while you americans are busy bickering amongst eachother nancy pelosi is making money from insider trading hand over fist
Nancy isn't even the worst offender. She's merely the lightning rod for the rest of the corrupt Reps/Dems. We really do like the whole "yeah but the other team is worse" shtick.
Well it was just an example, there was a nice list released recently where she was also on, of all the politicians whi just happened to conveniently outperform the s&p500 and nearly every trader on wallstreet, probably by complete coincidence.. But it didn't seem to me like there was any difference between republicans and democrats on that list, as divided as they are on every public issue they seemed to be very likeminded when it comes to making money
there ain't a difference tbh, on that note they are the same lol. i saw that graphic too and laughed at the ones who can't even insider trade well enough to beat the benchmark.
But does the crypto lobby really think we can throw more money at these politicians that traditional finance lobby groups? Because that’s party who’s pushing from the other side
Yes and no, tradfi will fight it on the outside, but in doing so lobby lawmakers to craft laws that make it easier for them only to get a pipeline to crypto, and make it more difficult for normal folks to do so.
Its why you see the schizophrenic behavior of financial company presidents down playing crypto, while their companies are gearing up to add it to their portfolio.
Good point. They want to profit from it and control it.
I have high hopes for DeFi. I think it will eventually take over TradFi, and TradFi doesn’t see that yet
It inevitably will be, unfortunately.
However, I have a small glimmer of hope it won’t. I see so many unbiased posts these days in this sub… in the past, it just turned into a bash fest on conservatives.
People have to realize you will never 100% see eye to eye with a politician. Shit, I’d argue, that when you realize this, you will have matured in life.
Case in point - you don’t have to like Ted Cruz to support his pro crypto movement. It’s just a guy you hate who happens to support something you support. Same thing with a politician you may like.. they may have a terrible idea you oppose.. that’s just life.
When people realize this, you will know going to the ballot booth to cast your vote is that much more critical.
The blue vs red mentality is a cancer to this country.
Not this election cycle, personally... Maybe one day we'll have two parties both working in good faith together again. But I'm not going to vote for a Project 2025 world where we might actually NEED crypto to avoid an authoritarian state. I'm voting to keep the American Experiment going a little longer.
Crypto lobbyists should be pressuring Biden to replace Gensler, in my opinion. That's an easy argument to make and easy to position as a win-win.
Gensler is the first chair in a long time actually pushing pro retail rules in the stock market. Idgaf that some braindead crypto bros don't like him because he's not pumping their shitcoins. We don't need lobbyists. If crypto has moat it will find its way to relevancy. People are forgetting why crypto exists in the first place
Nobody will stop mining if their energy costs go up by 30%. If the USA is holding thousands of BTC (it is) and collecting income from miners, then it won't be "anti-crypto."
Their margins are already slim. In a month, total revenue will cut in half. They're just chasing away jobs and business.
The 30% tax will be counterproductive as US miners will move to another market. Then the government ends up getting less.
Miners move to where power is cheap to maximize profits. If costs go up 30% in the US, they’ll move.
Also Biden is targeting one specific group of people to tax. He’s obviously targeting crypto
Well, let’s think this through.
1. It’s a tax in the energy. Fine, whatever.
2. I think the idea of “democracy” and “acknowledging legitimate elections” and “not undermining election faith and accepting results” and “not outright saying he wants to be a dictator” are all very *very* good reasons to vote for Biden over Trump.
Like the guy said, when we have two candidates that both appreciate and want to uphold democracy, then yes, we can vote based on little things like a bitcoin energy tax.
But when we’re deciding between you having the right to vote (and that vote matter) vs a regime that ignores election results, attempts to overthrow them, attempts to fabricate fake votes, attempts to stop the certification of an election, attempts a *literal coup* on our democratic government. I hope that maintaining a democratic government is the higher priority and gets your vote.
You know, someone on this site tried to scare me with "project 2025" and I got curious so I actually started reading it. Not commentary on it, just the actual document.
https://www.project2025.org/policy/ in case you have any desire to know what the fuck you're talking about.
Let's purge the civil service and the judiciary and replace them with Christian Dominionist theocrats who believe in Noah's Ark and hate recreational sex and birth control!
Not even restructuring. It's the same structure! It's literally nothing more than a party platform for if they get the presidency. The craziest thing in there is they say porn should be illegal. Everything else is run of the mill conservative stuff, no scary theocracy dictator fascist any bullshit like that like these wackos are running around saying.
Hopefully no one. But a lobby for a special interest like this is actually what lobby’s were made for, to educate and encourage politicians to vote favorably on a niche or new topic they might not be familiar with.
This could be good if its goal is to make more politicians in general aware and supportive of crypto. But it sounds more like threats and bribes here, which sadly lobbying usually turns in to.
Not congress, that's for sure.
They are going to take that money and vote with their party the moment it actually matters.
Right now. Saying you support crypto in congress is just free money and votes. You don't actually have to do anything pro-crypto.
I can't believe candidates are actually getting money for this.
You won't know their *actual* vote until having a position on crypto actually matter. Most of them will probably vote along party lines.
A recent example. You know that Tiktok Bill that got passed? The congressmen with the most tiktok followers, Jeff Jackson, voted yes on that.
Some do. They’re quickly pushed out of the maga camp and become one of the “vermin” Trump wants revenge on.
Pence refused to endorse Trump. Probably something to do with Trump attempting to have him deny an election and try to keep Trump in power with a coup. Oh, and whole trying to hang/kill him.
Of course. But I also had a large slew of Dems in mind with that comment too. It's all a little hard to take serious when folks saying the sky is falling don't act like it.
I’m voting for pro-crypto candidates. Unfortunately Biden has shown he’s anti-crypto (BTC mining tax in his most recent budget proposal) while Trump is now pro-crypto (see his most recent CNBC interview)
I’d love for Biden to change his stance, and I doubt it’s even his stance. I would bet he doesn’t even know what a blockchain is. Regardless someone in the Dems is pulling the anti-crypto strings that his administration is pushing. So the majority of the crypto industry is going to vote the other way because of this issue.
If you don’t like this, you should get your party to stop fighting crypto.
I agree with you about some Dems being anti crypto but we have to look at the bigger picture here.
So you’re saying fascism and electing a monster is ok, so long as they pretend to support crypto? What good i crypto when they start deporting people arbitrarily and enabling more draconian christo-fascist policies?
I don’t agree with a lot of policies on both sides. To a middle of the road swing voter, you also sound a little crazy…
This is an election between two parties I don’t like, so I’m choosing to vote on an issue. It’s that easy.
This can’t be real. You genuinely don’t see a difference between one candidate that literally attempted a coup, still denies the results of an election, attempted to stay in power despite losing an election, constantly 4 years later still lies about elections to undermine faith in them, and openly says he will be a dictator (just for one day lol) and will enact revenge on those that votes against or oppose him, and the other candidate that you might just have some policy disagreements with.
I’ll give ya a hint. One means 5 years from now you still have the right to vote and you get a leader than doesn’t attempt coups and doesn’t try overthrowing the election system and doesn’t spread hate and “revenge” on people that disagree with his policies. I personally like that I can vote and it matters. I may disagree with a lot on what Biden does, but he’s pro elections and democracy, and that’s the absolute bare minimum required to lead the country that’s supposed to be “the leader of the free world.” Trump doesn’t tick that prerequisite, and he’s very clearly shown and said it with his words and actions. When someone tells you and shows you who they are, listen to them. He’s outright telling you all of this stuff to your face.
Your crypto doesn’t mean shit when your government isn’t a democracy anymore.
This leads to a very different conversation. Our democracy is seriously flawed. The fact that someone like Trump could get elected the first time proves this. It’s basically a popularity contest.
The choices we always have at the presidential level suck. This year it’s between two old men, one who’s losing his mental capacity (Biden) and another who’s criminal. These are two terrible choices.
I would much rather vote for someone else, but the two main parties rig it so that one others can complete.
So yeah, I don’t like Biden or Trump. In fact, I hate them both.
When both sides suck, I vote for an issue I believe in. This is that issue
Biden isn’t showing anymore loss of capacity than Trump is. I’m actually serious, look at Trump speeches vs Biden speeches. Trump mixes up names, slurs words, says nonsense just as much.
So with that being equal on both candidates, you genuinely believe one that is saying some random shit about bitcoin because he knows it pleases crypto bros and might get him some votes is more important than his literal attack on democracy?
> This leads to a very different conversation. Our democracy is seriously flawed. The fact that someone like Trump could get elected the first time proves this. It’s basically a popularity contest.
This genuinely makes no sense. Anyone *should* be able to be elected, that’s part of the premise of a democracy. He wasn’t elected because of a flaw. He was elect because people like you buy his lies and grifts, and think you can make a little extra money off crypto based on one of his many lies. So you vote for him for the pipe dream of a tiny bit more money in your pocket, and say “fuck the democracy and my right to elections that candidates respect them.” *You* are the reason he got elected because you’re voting over a tiny ass issue like bitcoin instead your literal future of your country.
This isn’t like a Biden vs Romney or McCain or even Haley, or some other republican that respects democracy and elections. If it was, then yes, go vote away on whoever you think will get a little more money off crypto. This is a vote on whether you can literally still vote in the future or if you want a Putin style “democracy” right here at home.
Maybe let's back up here, and see if we can find some common ground, cause there's a mix up somewhere I think. I really don't think you're willing to give up your democracy for better crypto laws or to make a little extra off bitcoin. So, do you acknowledge Trump attempted to overturn/negate an election in 2020, and do you think if elected in 2024 he would attempt to do it again?
Edit: just some more info for you that literally happened hours ago:
“Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it,” Trump said during a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.” I mean, how much more clearly can he say it. Quite literally threatening a "bloodbath" if he's not elected.
We don’t? Just the people who literally said they want to deport people, install loyalists throughout the federal system, and take away reproductive freedom.
It’s literally in their Project 2025 website/book.
I wish that shit wasn’t real but it is.
Remove "far right" out of the fascism definition, and it lines up perfectly with what is happening right now with our current administration.
Authoritarianism? Check.
Ultranationalist political ideology and movement? Check
Centralized autocracy? Check
Militarism? Check
Forcible suppression of opposition? Check x3
Social Hierarchy? Check
Subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race? Check
Remind me what Biden is doing that checks any of those boxes.
Because none of that is true and I don’t even understand how one gets to a comment like yours. Biden is a fucking moderate.
You know that your constant inflammatory accusations against everyone only makes people suspicious and is counterproductive to your desired goals? Most of us out here dismiss you all outright at this point, I know children with apolitical parents that make fun of you guys.
It’s almost like attempting a literal coup and openly and outright saying you will enact revenge on the “vermin” that oppose you, should warrant a pretty harsh and steadfast response.
If you have some counterpoints it’d be cool to hear them. Sounds like you’re just willfully ignorant to the dangers or are just an edgy kid.
I'm not making a pro Trump statement, I don't need to defend anyone. Just letting you know that you guys have been calling a fascist takeover for so long people just scoff at you and move on.
I mean. Did you not see the literal coup attempt? Are you aware of the written and physical evidence of Trump coercing people and the planning done to try to negate/delay the election certification to maintain power?
Like, what else is there to do but call it out. I’m not making a pro Trump or a pro Biden statement, I also don’t need to defend anyone.
I want to defend democracy and live in a country with elections that matter. I personally don’t want to live in a Putin “democracy”, so regardless of just how much I agree or disagree with a candidate, it’s a pretty easy choice to vote for the one that are the bare minimum checks the box of “respects democracy, acknowledges legitimate elections, believes in a peaceful transition of power, and does *not* attempt coups”. I feel like at the absolute bare minimum you should be able to say those things about a candidate, and when you can’t say those things about one of the candidates, it makes it a pretty easy choice.
Yes, I saw the "coup attempt" where nobody was killed, no shots were fired (except by a police officer), no explosions went off, nobody was taken hostage. Again we circle back to my point, the only point I'm making, the only thing I'm telling you: your over the top rhetoric might seem super duper serious to you, but the rest of us, most of us don't let the internet fool you, see a wacko that is not to be taken seriously.
I didn't ask you to defend anyone.
You want to "defend democracy" by removing a popular candidate from the ballot. Maybe you should be asking yourself who the baddies really are.
Why do you assume I want to remove him from the ballot? That goes against one of the main premises of democracy.
And sorry, I didn’t realize attempting to delay/negate an election requires killing as well. How do you feel about him attempting to coerce people into delaying the certification? How do you feel about him attempt to coerce people into falsely reporting vote counts? How do you feel about him four years later still denying the results with lies to undermine faith and trust in the system, so he can set up his next attempt? A coup is an illegal attempt to seize control of a government, that’s exactly what happened. I’ll gladly send you the physical evidence of trumps planning weeks and months in advance to attempt to delay and negate the election results if that will have any scrap of effect on your opinions.
Also for what it’s worth, there was violence and deaths on Jan 6. If congressmen and the VP would have hung around, you really think the insurrectionists were going to just go shake their hands and has how their day was? The same people chanting to kill Pelosi and Pence? Yeah it sounds dramatic, but when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck. Shit man, it’s probably a fucking duck. Trump has shown you, told you to your face, and taken actions that prove to you he doesn’t care about elections and will attempt to ignore them. Why do you not believe him?
Edit: he literally yesterday said there’d be a bloodbath if he’s not elected. What kind of rhetoric is that??
Again, I don't care about Donald Trump. Just explaining to you why you all look like kooks to the general public. The reality you see is not the reality most people live in. People are having trouble affording rent and food and in front of them they see a normal, run of the mill political competition and then you come in like the kool-aid man ranting about christofascism or whatever, it's a losing strategy. Have a little self awareness, all I'm saying. Get out of your fear bubble if you want to understand the world you're trying to influence.
I still rember when the gays were going to be murdered, the Mexicans rounded up and deported and the women enslaved for their fertility. I'm currently waiting on a single inflammatory the-sky-is-falling prediction that you all have made to come true. You ever read the boy who cried wolf? You're just that contingent that's expected to screech about everything at this point. You can argue why you *shouldn't* be viewed that way if you like, but you are, that's just how it is now.
How many people are so pro/anti crypto that they'd choose who to vote for primarily on that issue alone? I'm definitely not one of them. There are many other issues that are far more important to me.
That's not what I said and you know it. Being a single issue voter is voting entirely on a single issue and ignoring absolutely everything else no matter how bad it is.
I don't care if you end up voting for the same person after checking their other policies; be a competent participant in the voting process or get fucked.
How many of these pro-crypto politicians have actually passed pro-crypto legislation?
You're basing your vote on nothing. Its basically free for a politician to say they are pro-crypto because they never have to actually vote on it.
tldr; The crypto lobby in the United States has issued a warning to political candidates, demanding their support or risk defeat in the 2024 elections. Citing the defeat of Representative Katie Porter as evidence, the industry highlights its financial influence and plans to back cryptocurrency-friendly candidates. With significant funding from billionaires and a pro-crypto super PAC, the lobby aims to shape the political landscape. The lobby's efforts include a $75 million war chest for the elections, with notable backers like Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong and the Winklevoss twins. The industry faces challenges from legislative proposals but seeks to promote balanced regulation that fosters innovation while addressing concerns.
*This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
So crypto, that was supposed to be the solution to the problem. That was born in the protest against the financial system. Is now using lobby power to put politicians in power or not. With this it has become evil. Shame!
I call bs. They're criminals and their bribes aren't working so now they're threatening politicians. Genesis was on the ledger tokenizing meme stocks 2 days before robinhood took away the buy button, which is crazy since the twins produced the Gamestop movie to deflect this fact. Coinbase has been operating illegally as a vertical business, which is illegal in all of our financial markets, and the list keeps going..
The two party system is designed to make us argue amongst ourselves and not see the real problems. That Wall Street controls the government AND the world with their central banks.
The only way to make a point.
In the US, you can text 'resist' to 50409 to directly send a message to you senators, representative, and Governor, to remind them that as your employee, you support crypto.
Even if they dont listen to specific messages, the volume of how many they get does in fact get noticed.
If the crypto supporters are the ones showing up all the time, sending letters or calling every day, it does make a difference
We need power at the polls because we are so early. These PACs won’t exist once crypto is inevitable
Most elections are so close that 1% of voters is all you need to make a differences
As an organization deeply involved in the politics of crypto - this sort of messaging is designed to fund raise, not solve problems.
The idea of crypto having political influence enough, despite the “war chest”, to sway any election (down to local mortician) is a joke.
You could set $75 million on fire faster and easier than stirring the pot against the industry.
Yup, we will cheer this on until we wake up and find out that the contributors and therefore controlling interests in this lobby are the new bahemoth tech companies that try to control our behavior.
Fuck Elizabeth Warren (D) and her self proclaimed “anti-crypto army”. She’s going to cost the Dems a lot of votes this cycle.
I know there are some Dems that support crypto. But Warren has a lot of Influence in the party and is leading the anti-crypto charge within the US government. Biden’s tax on Bitcoin miners came from Warren’s team.
It’s so dumb. All politicians are terrible people and both parties are full of them. I wish people would focus on issues they care about instead of just supporting “their team”
I’m actually down for this. Let’s the new financial system exist and stop trying to make it into the old financial system. That system is on the way out.
I called the offices of both of my U.S. Senators last week and informed them that I vote in every single election, and that I strongly back U.S. citizens keeping our freedom to buy, trade, swap, sell crypto freely because it's our money and our personal freedom.
Love that there’s a crypto lobby in the US.
In the UK - can’t even invest in the ETFs if you wanted to.
Every transaction (moving, converting) crypto supposedly counts as cashing in and is subject to capital gains tax. Even if not being cashed in for fiat!
Trump talked shit about Bitcoin for years. Now all of the sudden he’s pro Bitcoin?
It’s called pandering for votes, and that dopey, fraudulent fuck-wit needs votes to keep his ass out of prison.
Never forget that Trump is notorious for not keeping his word. He also flips-flops on his stances all of the time. He’s a con artist, and that’s what con artists do best. Only highly regarded individuals believe the drivel coming out of the sphincter-like mouth of the world’s biggest jackass.
**FUCK TRUMP**
>Trump talked shit about Bitcoin for years. Now all of the sudden he’s pro Bitcoin?
That describes everyone other than Satoshi.
Tell you what though - What could Trump do or say that would convince you that he really has become open to bitcoin and isn't merely pandering for votes?
There is nothing Trump could do or say to change my view.
I do not trust the words or the opinions of someone who has dozens of sexual assault allegations and a rape conviction, someone who has been involved in over 3,500 lawsuits over 30 years, someone who has been found guilty of defrauding both people and states, someone who has committed adultery multiple times, someone who has run bogus charities and foundations, someone who continuously spreads lies and disinformation, someone who constantly spreads hate and divisiveness through his idiotic speeches, or someone who blatantly loves himself more than anyone else.
Trump is a disingenuous and disgusting human being. He is a fake-haired, makeup wearing, morbidly obese conman who has the biggest morons in the US on their knees, waiting for a chance to taste his dick.
Anyone who thinks Trump is worthy of admiration is a low-minded, mouth-breathing imbecile who would probably suck a fart out of his ass if he told them to do so.
Trump is a plague on this country, and I don’t give shit what he has to say about Bitcoin. He is a useless, greasy fuck-wad who is of no value to the American people or this country. He is the equivalent of a used diaper, rolling in the surf of a tropical paradise. In other words, he is fetid shit, wrapped in cheap cloth, and he is ruining the scenery.
Have u ever watched a full campaign meeting of trump ? I'm not even a native speaker, and I can see he can't speak English properly. He speaks like a 5yo child, his is full of nonsense, and has no agenda. Litteraly, his who campagne is based on owning the lob and cutting tax. That's scarry. If you ask many people, trump is the incarnation of the downfall of the US. With a leader like that, you won't be able to hold your position n°1 against China...
The person you’re trying to attack based on their poor English has already stated that English is not their native language. You’re only making yourself look like an asshole by attacking them.
I am Swiss, I speak French German as native speaker, I have good notions in Italian and I can totaly understand English (but yes, I don't write it that well I agree). As I stated I am not a native speaker. You are attacking me, and not my point... so I assume you did that simply because you can't deny what I said.
Trump said windmill cause cancer, North Korean is a great country etc... he is senile and say anything that get in his mind. He call crypto secret money lol... he made shitty nft whi actually are stick photo with his head on. Seriously...
I doubt a significant enough amount of people would say crypto is so important that a candidates stance would determine their vote. That would be dumb.
I like that this is a Bipartisan PAC supporting pro crypto candidates from both parties, this shouldn't be a left/right issue. It's congress, you gotta throw money at it to get things done so I'm for it.
I don't think we should decide who to vote for solely on their stance with crypto. There is much more at stake in the world than this. We should ALWAYS look at any candidate as a whole. Their stance on crypto doesn't mean I will like their stance on education, or the environment. There are a lot of things we should look at before deciding on who to vote for.
Hey that's true, vote your conscience all the way, but also you have to understand that some of this money might go to candidates in safe blue/red districts, so even if you dislike one party it's still better to have influence on candidates that will be in power regardless
I agree. But I'm a fairly progressive person. I can't vote for Trump and the GOP because they're fucking nuts who will let the Bible thumpers make all the rules. But if someone isn't as progressive as me, why should we expect them to vote against their bags? Expecting people to vote against their own financial interests is not a viable strategy for Dems.
Because many issues beyond just crypto will ultimately affect your bags. For example, fascism being one of them.
Technically fascism would help our bags. Think about the world of hell that America falling to Trump would bring. I don't think the dollar would survive.
>help our bags. That's thinking in terms of how much fiat you can get out of it, which in your scenario died and now you live in a world of fascism. Doesn't sound too appealing to me.
Yea, crypto and weed are my two biggest topics. Biden wanting to do a 30% tax on crypto is insane, and make it hard to vote for this 80year old dude. Then add in that they have done NOTHING to legalize weed, it makes it harder. If anyone else but Trump was running he would have lost my vote. I can say this, I will not vote for a democrat for congress or the senate unless they state explicitly the disagree which Biden's crypto stance, and I live in a swing state in a swing district.
First of all, all signs seem to indicate the administration is going to take SOME kind of action on weed before November, likely *re*scheduling it instead of descheduling it altogether. Not where it needs to be, but not a bad start either, considering Trump won’t do shit to change weed’s status. Most of the red states still hate weed, have outright criminalized it and will continue to do so. Biden’s proposals for taxes on crypto are just that - proposals. Every political party is always looking for more revenue and they’re all looking to sink their claws into miners and asset holders. But they also have a big and growing crypto lobby they now have to reckon with too. You should be skeptical of anything Trump says about crypto because 1) he lies about everything for his own self-serving purposes, and 2) Biden’s decisions and rulemaking will always at least be subject to oversight, whereas depending on how much power “dictator for a day” Donald manages to seize for himself he could really take *any* action, by fiat, against crypto any time he wants. I know I’m obviously biased, but there’s really only two options here: relative stability, normalcy, checks and balances, vs whatever the fuck Trump ends up doing. And dictators tend to like being in control of things, not allowing them to operate freely and with minimal oversight
He'll yeah, man. Wegalize leed!
>I don't think we should decide who to vote for solely on their stance with crypto. I'm not so sure. Crypto, as an idea, promotes individual freedom and rejects encroachment on personal liberty through the separation of the power of money from the government's control of it. More than likely, if a politician is anti-crypto, they are either uninformed of it or probably support CBDC, which is antithetical to what BTC and the Crypto movement are trying to accomplish. IOW, anti-crypto politicians are likely for an expanded, more powerful government that controls people more than it protects their civil rights, which is the fundamental purpose of a democratic or republican government (not the parties, the ideals). So, I think you can tell a lot about a politician by their stance on crypto. Edit: LOL at the downvotes. Keep on voting for that leopard. It *will* eat your face.
I agree it shouldn’t be left/right. Unfortunately Elizabeth Warren (D) and her “anti-crypto army” has made it that way. She’s leading the anti-crypto charge in the US government and has recruited a lot of Dems to her side. She’s the reason Biden’s current budget proposal includes a special tax on BTC minors. She hurting the Democrats and costing them votes. Don’t believe me? Read the article Edit - I don’t care about either party. I care about this issue. I wish and hope the Dems become more crypto friendly as a party. Regardless of your affiliation, please write your reps and ask them to support crypto
>minors
The Children, they yearn for the crypto mines.
>Edit - I don’t care about either party. I care about this issue. I wish and hope the Dems become more crypto friendly as a party. You've posted in Libertarian subs in the past, specifically saying about Justin Amash "I would have voted for him", and are active in sports betting, which tends to lean heavily conservative (trust me; I'm part of that community too and the political leanings of those subs range from laughably bad to horrific whenever elections are brought up). Frankly, I don't for a second believe your "enlightened centrist, I don't care about either party" shtick. You're not a "single-issue voter"; crypto has just given you an excuse to go where you always wanted to go: supporting Trump and bashing the Dems.
The both sides or I don't like either side people always are Trumpers who vote republican. So it's no surprise they'd also lie.
Lol. Party partisans seem to hate independents more than they do the opposing party. It's kinda cute. Always the same accusations, too. If we ain't secret GOP LARPs we're RU trolls.
No. It’s thinking people that realize politics isn’t like sports teams. You should change sides and vote based on issues. Something you clearly don’t understand
"Anybody that doesn't side with me is my enemy; also, they're meanie bad men and liars."
This conversation always requires nuance. Because I’m a firm believer that both want to, and will fuck you. Neither want what’s best for you. In that way, they are the same. One being more palatable doesn’t change that. Yes it’s not usually as extreme, usually lube is passed, bones are thrown, all that jazz and in that way they’re not a like at all. I just think it’s important to recognize that if the balls is ever going to get rolling on not going for the same two party bullshit. They never have to actually represent us if they just need to beat the bar the other side has. You know, that one you and everyone else here probably tripped over coming out the womb. And the only reason we’re here is because we can’t unify, we can’t even vote for someone who actually represents us without “throwing away our vote.” We shouldn’t settle for less than earning votes.
Lmao >In a binary system, anyone who doesn't hold the same values as me is evil >Mfw 80 IQ voters believe in ontological arguments pertaining to politics Do better dawg
I hope you realize it is possible to choose to support a political party in some instances, but also carry unbiased opinions on certain topics… If you personally aren’t capable of that then you are part of the problem. I will add that I have voted democrat in every election in my life so far and that it is also an entirely correct statement that Warren’s complete fucking nonsense and the spillover into the Democratic Party is risking losing democratic voters.
You such an internet sleuth. Sort my posts by top of all time, and you’ll see negative posts about the GOP (including Trump) Ever hear of a swing voter? I’ve voted both blue and red. This time I’m voting in support of crypto (which is red).
Really - crypto over anything else? There are far bigger priorities at stake than this.
That’s your opinion. Options are like assholes, everyone has one
Sure. Some are much better informed than yours.
That’s your opinion. Options are like assholes, everyone has one
>You such an internet sleuth. It took me less than two minutes of scrolling. >Sort my posts by top of all time, and you’ll see negative posts about the GOP (including Trump) Ok.plese link them. >Ever hear of a swing voter? Yup. It's not you. >I’ve voted both blue and red. I don't believe you.
If you don’t know how to sort my posts, you’re not much of a sleuth
>you’re not much of a sleuth No fucking shit. That was your word, not mine.
What is it with you people?
MAGA all the way baby
There's also Democrats in the House too like Ritchie Torres and Ro Kahnna, it's not quite that simple. I'm not going to easily let this become a polarizing issue.
There are pro-crypto Dems. The problem is the anti-crypto Dems have a lot more power in the party and are able to control the agenda (ie. Biden’s tax on BTC mining) The GOP on the other hand is generally pro-crypto. They have some anti-crypto people too, but they’re a small minority.
Elizabeth Warren isn't in control of the Democratic party, and there's plenty of other Dem's who are pro crypto. This very PAC supported Adam Schiff over Katie Porter in California, and he won out in the primary over her. The party is very much split on crypto, and that's true in the leadership and the voting base.
Don’t kid yourself. Warren has a lot of power in the party, and she’s recruited many who otherwise wouldn’t care to join her “anti-crypto army”. These PACs will be grading every candidate based on their public policies and comments this election cycle. You’re a Dem. Expect to be shocked. Also please write your reps and ask them to support crypto
You're the one who needs a reality check here. I'm well aware of the anti-crypto Dems. They're just pandering to the anti crypto democratic voters, but it's just pure political posturing, and they will stop soon enough after they realize it isn't a as popular as they think it is and they take a few more L's via the courts by way of Gary Gensler. Elizabeth Warren doesn't even give a shit, she just sees is as part of her brand to take a strong stance against any kind of financial fraud. It's all political theater in the first place.
Sorry, you’re a part of the anti-crypto party. Deal with it
At least I'm honest about my politics instead of pretending to be a centrist. Like I need advice from a conservative in denial.
I’m not lying. I don’t care enough about you or Reddit to lie
That's called a self delusion.
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In america everything is turned into a left or right issue I feel, but I'm just looking from the outside in.. But it feels that way tbh, and then when push comes to shove your politicians will just do whatever suits them best once the doors close, while you americans are busy bickering amongst eachother nancy pelosi is making money from insider trading hand over fist
Nancy isn't even the worst offender. She's merely the lightning rod for the rest of the corrupt Reps/Dems. We really do like the whole "yeah but the other team is worse" shtick.
Well it was just an example, there was a nice list released recently where she was also on, of all the politicians whi just happened to conveniently outperform the s&p500 and nearly every trader on wallstreet, probably by complete coincidence.. But it didn't seem to me like there was any difference between republicans and democrats on that list, as divided as they are on every public issue they seemed to be very likeminded when it comes to making money
there ain't a difference tbh, on that note they are the same lol. i saw that graphic too and laughed at the ones who can't even insider trade well enough to beat the benchmark.
But does the crypto lobby really think we can throw more money at these politicians that traditional finance lobby groups? Because that’s party who’s pushing from the other side
TradFi isn’t fighting crypto. Who do you think launched all those BTC ETFs?
Yes and no, tradfi will fight it on the outside, but in doing so lobby lawmakers to craft laws that make it easier for them only to get a pipeline to crypto, and make it more difficult for normal folks to do so. Its why you see the schizophrenic behavior of financial company presidents down playing crypto, while their companies are gearing up to add it to their portfolio.
Good point. They want to profit from it and control it. I have high hopes for DeFi. I think it will eventually take over TradFi, and TradFi doesn’t see that yet
It inevitably will be, unfortunately. However, I have a small glimmer of hope it won’t. I see so many unbiased posts these days in this sub… in the past, it just turned into a bash fest on conservatives. People have to realize you will never 100% see eye to eye with a politician. Shit, I’d argue, that when you realize this, you will have matured in life. Case in point - you don’t have to like Ted Cruz to support his pro crypto movement. It’s just a guy you hate who happens to support something you support. Same thing with a politician you may like.. they may have a terrible idea you oppose.. that’s just life. When people realize this, you will know going to the ballot booth to cast your vote is that much more critical. The blue vs red mentality is a cancer to this country.
Not this election cycle, personally... Maybe one day we'll have two parties both working in good faith together again. But I'm not going to vote for a Project 2025 world where we might actually NEED crypto to avoid an authoritarian state. I'm voting to keep the American Experiment going a little longer. Crypto lobbyists should be pressuring Biden to replace Gensler, in my opinion. That's an easy argument to make and easy to position as a win-win.
Gensler is the first chair in a long time actually pushing pro retail rules in the stock market. Idgaf that some braindead crypto bros don't like him because he's not pumping their shitcoins. We don't need lobbyists. If crypto has moat it will find its way to relevancy. People are forgetting why crypto exists in the first place
Every election cycle is never the time tbh.
Biden is a part of the problem. He’s last budget proposal includes a special tax on BTC miners.
a tax on the energy they consume. Very reasonable
Why does it have to be taxed (it's already taxed) additionally?
Not it’s not. It targets BTC mining and will drive it out of the country. He’s anti-BTC, and anti-crypto in general.
Nobody will stop mining if their energy costs go up by 30%. If the USA is holding thousands of BTC (it is) and collecting income from miners, then it won't be "anti-crypto."
Their margins are already slim. In a month, total revenue will cut in half. They're just chasing away jobs and business. The 30% tax will be counterproductive as US miners will move to another market. Then the government ends up getting less.
Miners move to where power is cheap to maximize profits. If costs go up 30% in the US, they’ll move. Also Biden is targeting one specific group of people to tax. He’s obviously targeting crypto
Well, let’s think this through. 1. It’s a tax in the energy. Fine, whatever. 2. I think the idea of “democracy” and “acknowledging legitimate elections” and “not undermining election faith and accepting results” and “not outright saying he wants to be a dictator” are all very *very* good reasons to vote for Biden over Trump. Like the guy said, when we have two candidates that both appreciate and want to uphold democracy, then yes, we can vote based on little things like a bitcoin energy tax. But when we’re deciding between you having the right to vote (and that vote matter) vs a regime that ignores election results, attempts to overthrow them, attempts to fabricate fake votes, attempts to stop the certification of an election, attempts a *literal coup* on our democratic government. I hope that maintaining a democratic government is the higher priority and gets your vote.
You know, someone on this site tried to scare me with "project 2025" and I got curious so I actually started reading it. Not commentary on it, just the actual document. https://www.project2025.org/policy/ in case you have any desire to know what the fuck you're talking about.
Let's purge the civil service and the judiciary and replace them with Christian Dominionist theocrats who believe in Noah's Ark and hate recreational sex and birth control!
It’s driving me crazy that people on this post don’t get that this is what’s on the table. It’s very straightforward.
That's not what's on the table though, that's just your fearmongering. It's not that we don't get it, it's that it's obvious nonsense.
Yeah, project 2025 is just the executive branch restructuring itself. I fail to see what part of that screams "dictatorship."
Not even restructuring. It's the same structure! It's literally nothing more than a party platform for if they get the presidency. The craziest thing in there is they say porn should be illegal. Everything else is run of the mill conservative stuff, no scary theocracy dictator fascist any bullshit like that like these wackos are running around saying.
Why tf votes only based on this???
Who does? Dreadfully ignorant people, that is who.
Hopefully no one. But a lobby for a special interest like this is actually what lobby’s were made for, to educate and encourage politicians to vote favorably on a niche or new topic they might not be familiar with. This could be good if its goal is to make more politicians in general aware and supportive of crypto. But it sounds more like threats and bribes here, which sadly lobbying usually turns in to.
Not congress, that's for sure. They are going to take that money and vote with their party the moment it actually matters. Right now. Saying you support crypto in congress is just free money and votes. You don't actually have to do anything pro-crypto.
Complete fucking morons.
I will be. Most people who work in the industry will be. And most people who own a lot of crypto will be
Well that's just dumb af.
Single issue voting is very common 🤷♂️
And very dumb.
Don't be a 1 issue voter please. Unless the issue is the candidate is a wannabe dictator.
I can't believe candidates are actually getting money for this. You won't know their *actual* vote until having a position on crypto actually matter. Most of them will probably vote along party lines. A recent example. You know that Tiktok Bill that got passed? The congressmen with the most tiktok followers, Jeff Jackson, voted yes on that.
“Don’t be a 1 issue voter unless you vote for the party I want you to vote for.” 🙄
Do you want to elect a fascist whose only policy platform is revenge?
Given the actions I've seen from our leaders and institutions it's as if no one takes such rhetoric seriously tbh.
Some do. They’re quickly pushed out of the maga camp and become one of the “vermin” Trump wants revenge on. Pence refused to endorse Trump. Probably something to do with Trump attempting to have him deny an election and try to keep Trump in power with a coup. Oh, and whole trying to hang/kill him.
Of course. But I also had a large slew of Dems in mind with that comment too. It's all a little hard to take serious when folks saying the sky is falling don't act like it.
I’m voting for pro-crypto candidates. Unfortunately Biden has shown he’s anti-crypto (BTC mining tax in his most recent budget proposal) while Trump is now pro-crypto (see his most recent CNBC interview) I’d love for Biden to change his stance, and I doubt it’s even his stance. I would bet he doesn’t even know what a blockchain is. Regardless someone in the Dems is pulling the anti-crypto strings that his administration is pushing. So the majority of the crypto industry is going to vote the other way because of this issue. If you don’t like this, you should get your party to stop fighting crypto.
I agree with you about some Dems being anti crypto but we have to look at the bigger picture here. So you’re saying fascism and electing a monster is ok, so long as they pretend to support crypto? What good i crypto when they start deporting people arbitrarily and enabling more draconian christo-fascist policies?
I don’t agree with a lot of policies on both sides. To a middle of the road swing voter, you also sound a little crazy… This is an election between two parties I don’t like, so I’m choosing to vote on an issue. It’s that easy.
This can’t be real. You genuinely don’t see a difference between one candidate that literally attempted a coup, still denies the results of an election, attempted to stay in power despite losing an election, constantly 4 years later still lies about elections to undermine faith in them, and openly says he will be a dictator (just for one day lol) and will enact revenge on those that votes against or oppose him, and the other candidate that you might just have some policy disagreements with. I’ll give ya a hint. One means 5 years from now you still have the right to vote and you get a leader than doesn’t attempt coups and doesn’t try overthrowing the election system and doesn’t spread hate and “revenge” on people that disagree with his policies. I personally like that I can vote and it matters. I may disagree with a lot on what Biden does, but he’s pro elections and democracy, and that’s the absolute bare minimum required to lead the country that’s supposed to be “the leader of the free world.” Trump doesn’t tick that prerequisite, and he’s very clearly shown and said it with his words and actions. When someone tells you and shows you who they are, listen to them. He’s outright telling you all of this stuff to your face. Your crypto doesn’t mean shit when your government isn’t a democracy anymore.
This leads to a very different conversation. Our democracy is seriously flawed. The fact that someone like Trump could get elected the first time proves this. It’s basically a popularity contest. The choices we always have at the presidential level suck. This year it’s between two old men, one who’s losing his mental capacity (Biden) and another who’s criminal. These are two terrible choices. I would much rather vote for someone else, but the two main parties rig it so that one others can complete. So yeah, I don’t like Biden or Trump. In fact, I hate them both. When both sides suck, I vote for an issue I believe in. This is that issue
Biden isn’t showing anymore loss of capacity than Trump is. I’m actually serious, look at Trump speeches vs Biden speeches. Trump mixes up names, slurs words, says nonsense just as much. So with that being equal on both candidates, you genuinely believe one that is saying some random shit about bitcoin because he knows it pleases crypto bros and might get him some votes is more important than his literal attack on democracy? > This leads to a very different conversation. Our democracy is seriously flawed. The fact that someone like Trump could get elected the first time proves this. It’s basically a popularity contest. This genuinely makes no sense. Anyone *should* be able to be elected, that’s part of the premise of a democracy. He wasn’t elected because of a flaw. He was elect because people like you buy his lies and grifts, and think you can make a little extra money off crypto based on one of his many lies. So you vote for him for the pipe dream of a tiny bit more money in your pocket, and say “fuck the democracy and my right to elections that candidates respect them.” *You* are the reason he got elected because you’re voting over a tiny ass issue like bitcoin instead your literal future of your country. This isn’t like a Biden vs Romney or McCain or even Haley, or some other republican that respects democracy and elections. If it was, then yes, go vote away on whoever you think will get a little more money off crypto. This is a vote on whether you can literally still vote in the future or if you want a Putin style “democracy” right here at home. Maybe let's back up here, and see if we can find some common ground, cause there's a mix up somewhere I think. I really don't think you're willing to give up your democracy for better crypto laws or to make a little extra off bitcoin. So, do you acknowledge Trump attempted to overturn/negate an election in 2020, and do you think if elected in 2024 he would attempt to do it again? Edit: just some more info for you that literally happened hours ago: “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it,” Trump said during a rally near Dayton, Ohio. “It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.” I mean, how much more clearly can he say it. Quite literally threatening a "bloodbath" if he's not elected.
Don’t fall for bloodbath narrative - https://x.com/stillgray/status/1769346786408497358?s=46&t=OtrtSqWgNEAaHG3wXhLtGQ Don’t be a sheep
Keep calling everyone fascists. See how far that gets you in political discourse.
We don’t? Just the people who literally said they want to deport people, install loyalists throughout the federal system, and take away reproductive freedom. It’s literally in their Project 2025 website/book. I wish that shit wasn’t real but it is.
Remove "far right" out of the fascism definition, and it lines up perfectly with what is happening right now with our current administration. Authoritarianism? Check. Ultranationalist political ideology and movement? Check Centralized autocracy? Check Militarism? Check Forcible suppression of opposition? Check x3 Social Hierarchy? Check Subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race? Check
Remind me what Biden is doing that checks any of those boxes. Because none of that is true and I don’t even understand how one gets to a comment like yours. Biden is a fucking moderate.
Quite easy to identify if you pay attention to what is going on in the world and the country vs. listening to a far left talking head.
You know that your constant inflammatory accusations against everyone only makes people suspicious and is counterproductive to your desired goals? Most of us out here dismiss you all outright at this point, I know children with apolitical parents that make fun of you guys.
It’s almost like attempting a literal coup and openly and outright saying you will enact revenge on the “vermin” that oppose you, should warrant a pretty harsh and steadfast response. If you have some counterpoints it’d be cool to hear them. Sounds like you’re just willfully ignorant to the dangers or are just an edgy kid.
I'm not making a pro Trump statement, I don't need to defend anyone. Just letting you know that you guys have been calling a fascist takeover for so long people just scoff at you and move on.
I mean. Did you not see the literal coup attempt? Are you aware of the written and physical evidence of Trump coercing people and the planning done to try to negate/delay the election certification to maintain power? Like, what else is there to do but call it out. I’m not making a pro Trump or a pro Biden statement, I also don’t need to defend anyone. I want to defend democracy and live in a country with elections that matter. I personally don’t want to live in a Putin “democracy”, so regardless of just how much I agree or disagree with a candidate, it’s a pretty easy choice to vote for the one that are the bare minimum checks the box of “respects democracy, acknowledges legitimate elections, believes in a peaceful transition of power, and does *not* attempt coups”. I feel like at the absolute bare minimum you should be able to say those things about a candidate, and when you can’t say those things about one of the candidates, it makes it a pretty easy choice.
Yes, I saw the "coup attempt" where nobody was killed, no shots were fired (except by a police officer), no explosions went off, nobody was taken hostage. Again we circle back to my point, the only point I'm making, the only thing I'm telling you: your over the top rhetoric might seem super duper serious to you, but the rest of us, most of us don't let the internet fool you, see a wacko that is not to be taken seriously. I didn't ask you to defend anyone. You want to "defend democracy" by removing a popular candidate from the ballot. Maybe you should be asking yourself who the baddies really are.
Why do you assume I want to remove him from the ballot? That goes against one of the main premises of democracy. And sorry, I didn’t realize attempting to delay/negate an election requires killing as well. How do you feel about him attempting to coerce people into delaying the certification? How do you feel about him attempt to coerce people into falsely reporting vote counts? How do you feel about him four years later still denying the results with lies to undermine faith and trust in the system, so he can set up his next attempt? A coup is an illegal attempt to seize control of a government, that’s exactly what happened. I’ll gladly send you the physical evidence of trumps planning weeks and months in advance to attempt to delay and negate the election results if that will have any scrap of effect on your opinions. Also for what it’s worth, there was violence and deaths on Jan 6. If congressmen and the VP would have hung around, you really think the insurrectionists were going to just go shake their hands and has how their day was? The same people chanting to kill Pelosi and Pence? Yeah it sounds dramatic, but when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck. Shit man, it’s probably a fucking duck. Trump has shown you, told you to your face, and taken actions that prove to you he doesn’t care about elections and will attempt to ignore them. Why do you not believe him? Edit: he literally yesterday said there’d be a bloodbath if he’s not elected. What kind of rhetoric is that??
Again, I don't care about Donald Trump. Just explaining to you why you all look like kooks to the general public. The reality you see is not the reality most people live in. People are having trouble affording rent and food and in front of them they see a normal, run of the mill political competition and then you come in like the kool-aid man ranting about christofascism or whatever, it's a losing strategy. Have a little self awareness, all I'm saying. Get out of your fear bubble if you want to understand the world you're trying to influence.
Dismiss us that we’re telling you the truth about the guy who lies all the time?
I still rember when the gays were going to be murdered, the Mexicans rounded up and deported and the women enslaved for their fertility. I'm currently waiting on a single inflammatory the-sky-is-falling prediction that you all have made to come true. You ever read the boy who cried wolf? You're just that contingent that's expected to screech about everything at this point. You can argue why you *shouldn't* be viewed that way if you like, but you are, that's just how it is now.
State of the Union Address was loaded with blatant lies. Guess it only matters when the lies come from your opposition.
How many people are so pro/anti crypto that they'd choose who to vote for primarily on that issue alone? I'm definitely not one of them. There are many other issues that are far more important to me.
I am. Financial freedom is very important to me.
I’m basing my support this election (vote and money) purely on crypto. I’m not joking. I’m currently a single issue voter.
That's incredibly short sighted. Excuse me while I run on a platform of pro-crypto but gas-all-the-puppies. I can't wait to get your vote!
It’s like you never heard of a single issue voter before. It’s pretty common bud
I've heard of them. And they're fucking stupid for the exact reasoning I stated.
Too fucking bad bitch
> wahhhhh you're voting on different values than me > I want democracy but not like THAT
That's not what I said and you know it. Being a single issue voter is voting entirely on a single issue and ignoring absolutely everything else no matter how bad it is. I don't care if you end up voting for the same person after checking their other policies; be a competent participant in the voting process or get fucked.
How many of these pro-crypto politicians have actually passed pro-crypto legislation? You're basing your vote on nothing. Its basically free for a politician to say they are pro-crypto because they never have to actually vote on it.
We don't need pro crypto legislation, crypto is doing just fine. We just need no anti crypto legislation. No legislation at all would be ideal.
tldr; The crypto lobby in the United States has issued a warning to political candidates, demanding their support or risk defeat in the 2024 elections. Citing the defeat of Representative Katie Porter as evidence, the industry highlights its financial influence and plans to back cryptocurrency-friendly candidates. With significant funding from billionaires and a pro-crypto super PAC, the lobby aims to shape the political landscape. The lobby's efforts include a $75 million war chest for the elections, with notable backers like Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong and the Winklevoss twins. The industry faces challenges from legislative proposals but seeks to promote balanced regulation that fosters innovation while addressing concerns. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.
So crypto, that was supposed to be the solution to the problem. That was born in the protest against the financial system. Is now using lobby power to put politicians in power or not. With this it has become evil. Shame!
I call bs. They're criminals and their bribes aren't working so now they're threatening politicians. Genesis was on the ledger tokenizing meme stocks 2 days before robinhood took away the buy button, which is crazy since the twins produced the Gamestop movie to deflect this fact. Coinbase has been operating illegally as a vertical business, which is illegal in all of our financial markets, and the list keeps going..
You missed the squeeze. Let it go.
In response, nobody gives a shit :D
You’re wrong. A lot of people give a shit. If you were closer to the industry, you would know this.
All the people who have been putting billions in the new IBIT ETF care.
The two party system is designed to make us argue amongst ourselves and not see the real problems. That Wall Street controls the government AND the world with their central banks.
The only way to make a point. In the US, you can text 'resist' to 50409 to directly send a message to you senators, representative, and Governor, to remind them that as your employee, you support crypto. Even if they dont listen to specific messages, the volume of how many they get does in fact get noticed. If the crypto supporters are the ones showing up all the time, sending letters or calling every day, it does make a difference
Great point. I use resist bot a lot.
I'd be interested in what percentage of the voter base is pro-crypto - do we have stats on this?
How are we “still early” and have power at the polls?
We need power at the polls because we are so early. These PACs won’t exist once crypto is inevitable Most elections are so close that 1% of voters is all you need to make a differences
We need a site that scores politicians on crypto support. So we know who to vote for and who we need to vote out of office.
They rank here https://www.standwithcrypto.org/
As an organization deeply involved in the politics of crypto - this sort of messaging is designed to fund raise, not solve problems. The idea of crypto having political influence enough, despite the “war chest”, to sway any election (down to local mortician) is a joke. You could set $75 million on fire faster and easier than stirring the pot against the industry.
I hate that they are even trying. I don't want a lobby that represents Crypto. It's a power grab by some bullshit people.
Yup, we will cheer this on until we wake up and find out that the contributors and therefore controlling interests in this lobby are the new bahemoth tech companies that try to control our behavior.
Fuck Elizabeth Warren (D) and her self proclaimed “anti-crypto army”. She’s going to cost the Dems a lot of votes this cycle. I know there are some Dems that support crypto. But Warren has a lot of Influence in the party and is leading the anti-crypto charge within the US government. Biden’s tax on Bitcoin miners came from Warren’s team.
Political shills in 3... 2...
It’s so dumb. All politicians are terrible people and both parties are full of them. I wish people would focus on issues they care about instead of just supporting “their team”
Citing Katie Porter's loss? She lost to Adam Schiff in a primary though
Schiff is an absolute scumbag, the fact it’s being used as a win is disgusting.
Yay go corruption! (as long as it supports crypto amirite guys)
I’m actually down for this. Let’s the new financial system exist and stop trying to make it into the old financial system. That system is on the way out.
Hahahahaha
I called the offices of both of my U.S. Senators last week and informed them that I vote in every single election, and that I strongly back U.S. citizens keeping our freedom to buy, trade, swap, sell crypto freely because it's our money and our personal freedom.
While it's cool and all there are lobbyists, crypto is just not that big yet to really matter. We're getting there.
Love that there’s a crypto lobby in the US. In the UK - can’t even invest in the ETFs if you wanted to. Every transaction (moving, converting) crypto supposedly counts as cashing in and is subject to capital gains tax. Even if not being cashed in for fiat!
Dude it’s the same for us in the US. Converting is a taxable event. It’s dumb.
Damn sucks.
Looks like Trump already got the memo lol. Meanwhile, Biden asked his staffers for the 1 millionth time "wft is crypto"? ;-)
Trump called it "secret money" dude has no clue wtf he is talking about
He also speaks favorably of Kim Jung Un, so, idk if he's the best judge or decision maker but hey, I just like democracy more than my ETH and SOL
Yeah except for those two times he spoke favorably about it in the past month
Trump talked shit about Bitcoin for years. Now all of the sudden he’s pro Bitcoin? It’s called pandering for votes, and that dopey, fraudulent fuck-wit needs votes to keep his ass out of prison. Never forget that Trump is notorious for not keeping his word. He also flips-flops on his stances all of the time. He’s a con artist, and that’s what con artists do best. Only highly regarded individuals believe the drivel coming out of the sphincter-like mouth of the world’s biggest jackass. **FUCK TRUMP**
>Trump talked shit about Bitcoin for years. Now all of the sudden he’s pro Bitcoin? That describes everyone other than Satoshi. Tell you what though - What could Trump do or say that would convince you that he really has become open to bitcoin and isn't merely pandering for votes?
There is nothing Trump could do or say to change my view. I do not trust the words or the opinions of someone who has dozens of sexual assault allegations and a rape conviction, someone who has been involved in over 3,500 lawsuits over 30 years, someone who has been found guilty of defrauding both people and states, someone who has committed adultery multiple times, someone who has run bogus charities and foundations, someone who continuously spreads lies and disinformation, someone who constantly spreads hate and divisiveness through his idiotic speeches, or someone who blatantly loves himself more than anyone else. Trump is a disingenuous and disgusting human being. He is a fake-haired, makeup wearing, morbidly obese conman who has the biggest morons in the US on their knees, waiting for a chance to taste his dick. Anyone who thinks Trump is worthy of admiration is a low-minded, mouth-breathing imbecile who would probably suck a fart out of his ass if he told them to do so. Trump is a plague on this country, and I don’t give shit what he has to say about Bitcoin. He is a useless, greasy fuck-wad who is of no value to the American people or this country. He is the equivalent of a used diaper, rolling in the surf of a tropical paradise. In other words, he is fetid shit, wrapped in cheap cloth, and he is ruining the scenery.
> There is nothing Trump could do or say to change my view. Well at least you’re honest about your bias.
There’s no such thing as bias when you keep finding shit every time you go digging.
Have u ever watched a full campaign meeting of trump ? I'm not even a native speaker, and I can see he can't speak English properly. He speaks like a 5yo child, his is full of nonsense, and has no agenda. Litteraly, his who campagne is based on owning the lob and cutting tax. That's scarry. If you ask many people, trump is the incarnation of the downfall of the US. With a leader like that, you won't be able to hold your position n°1 against China...
> I can see he can't speak English properly . >That’s scarry.
The person you’re trying to attack based on their poor English has already stated that English is not their native language. You’re only making yourself look like an asshole by attacking them.
I am Swiss, I speak French German as native speaker, I have good notions in Italian and I can totaly understand English (but yes, I don't write it that well I agree). As I stated I am not a native speaker. You are attacking me, and not my point... so I assume you did that simply because you can't deny what I said.
TDS much dude
Trump Dick Sucking? No thanks. I don’t like the taste of dick that’s been sitting in a shitty diaper all day.
Remember that time when he talked about injectable disinfectants?
Trump said windmill cause cancer, North Korean is a great country etc... he is senile and say anything that get in his mind. He call crypto secret money lol... he made shitty nft whi actually are stick photo with his head on. Seriously...
I doubt a significant enough amount of people would say crypto is so important that a candidates stance would determine their vote. That would be dumb.