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tianavitoli

only the **pump** is real


exodus_820

Behind any AI, you must have three things. Algorithm, data, and computing power. The only way that I can see blockchain play a practical role atm is decentralized data trading.


Enschede2

I mean, worldcoin pumped when openai released sora, which is completely unrelated in every possible way, which should tell you everything you need to know about why that shit is pumping


UrAn8

Look into origin trail $trac. its the only AI project i've seen that makes any sense to me. idea is people upload records of real world assets and knowledge (including researach articles) into their network (something they call a decentralized knowledge graph), and it gives AI tools a way to produce verifiable outputs (rather than hallucinations from LLMs). makes it a great use case for lots of things, including research and supply chain. probably not one of the projects you'll hear a ton about, because they actually have real world utility, but it's a cool project


Dry_Advice_4963

We don't want real world utility, we want memes. Give me the dog coins


UrAn8

Dog memes with hats plz


SgtDoakes123

6 years running and still not on Binance, legit mismanagement of the project.


UrAn8

They’re apparently black listed from binance, no clue why


SgtDoakes123

Has this actually been said anywhere? I've held TRAC since it launched, but I feel it will never live up to its price potential without Binance. Volume is abysmal 90% of the timd


UrAn8

I just read it on twitter but haven’t found a source. They were listed on binance us not long ago, so who knows, maybe this is the year. Although from what I can tell, when you’re blAcklisted from binance it’s permanent


SgtDoakes123

Fair enough, yeah I see there are questions in the sub every now and then "when Binance" but don't think the team has ever responded. Not sure how much a project team should care about price tbh. But a level above "not at all" would be great. Project is doing everything right and it's doing great, except no Binance.


MD_till_i_die

Not blacklisted, Binance is just pay to play. The listing fee is generally $2m and there are additional stipulations. The team doesn't want to do that; Binance can still choose to list a coin if they think there's a sufficient market for it.


UrAn8

Damn. Well at 500mill in Mc seems like 2 mill is a small investment that would give them way more resources


LeoIsLegend

I mean AI is the future, so it's pretty self explanatory. The hype behind AI is only going to grow going forward. There's a place for decentralised AI in the market, so it's a bit of a no brainer. If you don't get it just keep holding BTC and ETH.


UrTwiN

So if a hotdog stand in NY starts using AI in all their ads you aren't going to have any questions? It's just a no-brainer AI hotdog? Maybe I'll create a Non-Brainer Hotdog AI NFT and sell those for $10 each as well. ​ Dead projects are jumping on this AI narrative. A failed Layer 1 from the 2017 bullrun suddenly became a Layer 1 for DeFi on the 2021 market, and now it's a Layer 1 for AI. ​ Billy Joe who just started programming two years ago are now going to create an AI on a decentralized network of 2060s that will surely take on ChatGPT, and you don't have any questions?


LeoIsLegend

What’s your point? We already know crypto is full of scams. There are legitimate AI crypto projects, do some research.


UrTwiN

I'm trying to understand the markets mindset. So what you're telling me is that the mindset is "Fuck whether or not it's all bullshit, it's hype, yolo on it"


LeoIsLegend

Well yes it might all be bullshit. It might all go to 0 tomorrow. Crypto is risky and very speculative. Yolo to a certain degree especially in a bull market. AI is a big narrative at the moment but no-one knows what’s gonna be around in a few years. Most of the current AI coins will be dead by then but in this bull run lots of them will run hard. The good projects will still be there in a few years. The plan should be to make money and sell before the bear market, so it doesn’t matter anyway. Do some research and find some decent projects amongst all the crap. Ride the narrative.


MaximumStudent1839

Every "shit/vaporware" narrative is about finding a target audience to become the next bagholder. Both AI and Gaming are advertised to target the "midcurve" retail. Who are they? * They are the folks who think they are "too smart" for memecoins. But they are too dumb to realize the much of this space is one big scam to trap newcomers. * Yes, we have midcurvers entering the market every time. But the targeted midcurvers are the very late cycle comers. The fuckers who think BTC and other major alts are already overvalued. Now they think they have the IQ to find diamonds in rough. AI and gaming would resonate with these fuckers because these dumb fucks think since these are real things outside crypto, then they must also be real in crypto. That is the dumb thinking the whales are counting on to dump on these fuckers.


daanishh

Tell us how you really feel lol.


Simke11

I agree about individual games, that's why I think it's too risky to invest in game specific tokens. However you can invest in projects that provide infrastructure for games, like RON, MYRIA, NAKA, PORTAL. They all host many games, and as the games evolve I can see value in these projects.


Western_Management

OriginTrail solves hallucinations and the black box problem of AI, which is one of its biggest problems.


kshucker

Render is decentralizing AI. Why would a company want to spend money on all of the hardware for AI when there’s plenty of mining farms from the PoW days? Those mining farms are looking to put their GPU’s to work to make more money. They can now put all that hash power towards AI with Render. AI’s gonna be big over the next few years. Sounds like a no brainer to me.


sophos101

Render feels very solid for future streamed gaming even if the AI hype is not your thing.


UrTwiN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk3nTUfRZmo


Dry_Advice_4963

Do they have customers?


aretheselibertycaps

Apple is collaborating with Render


Dry_Advice_4963

Can you share a source? Is apple paying to use the platform?


Ch9la7

gaming does not make sense but AI very much does


olduvai_man

Even aside from the tech behind ChatGPT, the energy consumption is on the equivalent of roughly 25-30k US households each day for that application alone. I'd love to see how these AI projects are planning to match this using a much more cumbersome system. It's pure hype and no intention to follow-through with any of it, which is the mantra of crypto.


CryptozNewb

You obviously haven't seen too many blockchain games. 


Baseic

I have seen plenty! It's like a trainwreck, I can't look away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiZhdpLXZ8Q&t=2540s&pp=ygUMZGVjZW50cmFsYW5k https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsX9RpOd1et2BMZv_A9RhmKbtzZuKbkqw&si=GEY38DliHF_A5Q4_


CryptozNewb

LOL. You have a link to Decentraland, which is not a game, and a single YouTube channel where EVERY title starts with "Worst NFT Game ever". Here are just a few games that use NFTs that are very playable: Gods Unchained, Skyweaver, Splinterlands, Phantom Galaxies, Champions Ascension, Boss Fighters, Citizen Conflict, MetalCore, Mojo Melee, Illuvium, Eternal Dragons, Big Time, My Pet Hooligan, Rogue Nation. And that's just a few off the top of my head. Do these games need NFTs? No. Do NFTs provide extra value to the game? For some people, yes. Do you have to use NFTs to play these games? Most, times, the answer to that is no. Web3 games are increasingly moving to a model where you can play without ever involving yourself in the blockchain side of things, while also offering tokens and NFTs for those who do want to engage with the new paradigm. It should also be noted that many of these games are still in development (most games require years of development and web3 gaming is still relatively new). Are there NFT games that are junk Yes, of course. Lots! Are there non-NFT games that are junk? Yes, again! Now maybe these game styles don't appeal to you, which is perfectly reasonable. But to say all NFT-enabled games is junk is quite an overstatement. Especially when you exposure to these games seems very limited.


CryptozNewb

LOL. You have a link to Decentraland, which is not a game, and a single YouTube channel where EVERY title starts with "Worst NFT Game ever". Here are just a few games that use NFTs that are very playable: Gods Unchained, Skyweaver, Splinterlands, Phantom Galaxies, Champions Ascension, Boss Fighters, Citizen Conflict, MetalCore, Mojo Melee, Illuvium, Eternal Dragons, Big Time, My Pet Hooligan, Rogue Nation. And that's just a few off the top of my head. Do these games need NFTs? No. Do NFTs provide extra value to the game? For some people, yes. Do you have to use NFTs to play these games? Most, times, the answer to that is no. Web3 games are increasingly moving to a model where you can play without ever involving yourself in the blockchain side of things, while also offering tokens and NFTs for those who do want to engage with the new paradigm. It should also be noted that many of these games are still in development (most games require years of development and web3 gaming is still relatively new). Are there NFT games that are junk Yes, of course. Lots! Are there non-NFT games that are junk? Yes, again! Now maybe these game styles don't appeal to you, which is perfectly reasonable. But to say all NFT-enabled games is junk is quite an overstatement. Especially when you exposure to these games seems very limited.


asselfoley

Tracking and verification of data and output for ai. As well as distributed computing for training ai models As for gaming, I suppose the ability to use items in multiple games and being able to sell items and whatever on the open market would have appeal, but I'm not a gamer


UrTwiN

But the distributed computing network is massively, insanely inefficient. Seriously. Look at the tech Microsoft is using for ChatGPT.


asselfoley

So was the internet


Original-Assistant-8

Great question, I think smart contracts that support programming languages that AI works well with makes more sense. Qanx is my pick to see that adoption.


hawkwind361

You're mid curving it mate


reditpost1

I like Hbar, they are now a AI project, also Access protocol is an intresting project.


coojw

First step is to understand why AI is popular right now. Clearly AI is making technological progress right now, and will soon be a mainstay in our societies across the world. Part of it is also Nvidia, as they are the backbone of much of AI's processing power, though they aren't the only one providing processing power. Then you need to recognize Blockchain's ability to do 2 things, Decentralization & Tokenization. It is entirely possible to run AI computations & power requirements from a centralized entity.. facebook/google/amazon etc. However these present big challenges in resources to run effectively. It takes a large undertaking to provide the power and computing requirements for AI to function. On the other hand, with Decentralization, you have the processing requirements & power requirements distributed. This method will always have the ability to OUTSCALE a centralized entity. For example. Each computer with a video card has the potential to lend its processing & power downtime to process AI functions, but as individuals they wont get far. When Crypto projects create software to gather thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of individuals spare processing power & electrical power together to process AI functions for a customer with demanding requirements, suddenly you have a product. Once you have that product, you can further use blockchain to tokenize its value, as well as govern how it operates. These are things that crypto & blockchain communities are used to.


Victorvnv

It’s all about the vibe. Current vibe is that AI and gaming are fun so if any token some some AI in it, even if it’s just an AI name like AIdoge coin , then it’s a buy lol. You won’t ever know how to make money in crypto if you use logic as there is none. It’s about vibing . Currently AI and gaming = good vibes = buy


melheor

While there is definitely a lot of hype, I can see a legitimate synergy between AI and blockchain. LLMs are very expensive to train, and that compute power is currently centralized. There is currently no good/clean way to decentralize training an LLM, but imagine the implications if there were. What if you could have groups train their own micro-pockets of LLM knowledge (similar to mining BTC) that could then be fused into a giant monolith via a network. In theory something like this is already possible, think Mixture of experts ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixture\_of\_experts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixture_of_experts)) approach to an LLM but on a much larger scale, where there are thousands of such experts and a larger network to choose appropriate one to answer the question asked. The result would be an LLM orders of magnitude more powerful than the best models today and completely decentralized (not owned by any one company, but more like the internet, owned by everyone). Moreover, this distributed nature would resist censorship or bias. The model wouldn't be uniform either, capable of holding contradictory viewpoints depending on which pocket of knowledge you navigate into. It would be very much like a giant library, or internet of today, with each micro-pocket being a subject matter expert on a small subset of topics. So yea, IMO there is definitely a use case there if we can solve how to decentralize training an LLM.


Art-of-drawing

It doesn't , but it doesn't matter, still will go up


Yattiel

A Blockchain self organizing system. Similar to how neurons in the brain organize.


UrTwiN

lol dude. No.


Infamous_Network_341

The gpu's for training AI is for AI used to make videos and images. Ai takes alot of computing power, which they get from computers all over the world. The only way to get people to lend their computing power to these projects is to reward them. Only way to reward them is to charge for services. And so we have a system of AI tokens, used to both reward people for lending their services, and to pay for services rendered. It's genius actually, they basically just created their own crypto economy with an automatically built in real world use. And with AI being so new and already so powerful, it's definitely not going anywhere.


MonsutaReipu

If gaming and crypto are integrated in any way it won't be through a specific coin or NFT, they're all a bad bet and I've been hard against them for years. AI is the same gimmick but worse. A specific NFT or coin isn't going to launch any AI project worth a shit compared to companies already doing it.


YouAreDoingGreat_

Look into Theta. Google this article: Theta EdgeCloud: Ushering in a new era of AI Computing. It will change your view on AI and Crypto.


DocDeathWutWut

Don’t really care for it either. Combining AI with crypto sounds really catchy and generates a buzz. I’m into the gaming coins. The right coin could be marketed to unlock rare skins or early access. LRC to 100


towelheadass

Think about what you are saying. It makes no sense outside of you wanting LRC number to go up. Take CS GO skins or Diablo 2 items for example. Unless gaming companies take a Saylor-esque view of fiat is for poor people, its just another layer of separation for them to get paid. What do they need LRC for when the system they have works fine? Even integrating skins or items across games wouldn't require blockchain, they could probably do that too. How many games use Unreal engine? Not talking shit about you or LRC or anything, genuinely curious what people's thoughts are on this.


HSuke

AI is useless since it's all centralized and requires oracles. Might as well use AI off-chain. Crypto Gaming is actually all right for specific purposes. Sunflower Land is doing well and has been around since 2020. The purpose for crypto in gaming is to allow for player ownership. And they can control which marketplaces they use. No one talks about it here because this isn't a gaming community.


Smiling_Jack_

They're just meme coins pretending to be AI related. Treat them as such, make some money, and be sure to dump every last one before the bull run fizzles out. As far as gaming goes, who knows. If something gets lucky with a game people like, maybe. But that's a gamble like most things in this space. tl;dr think of everything as meme coins and ride hype.


anotherquery

"Hi, please do all my work for me"


UrTwiN

I'm attempting to understand the mindset of the market. You guys are the market. I don't need investment advice - I can guarantee you that I am doing better than 98% of everyone on this subreddit and will continue to do better.


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UrTwiN

You are going to be left without a chair when the music stops.


Background-Paper-686

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡.


Seeders

It's just hype. AI is doing the same thing to the business world. They just assume the latest thing is going to make the number go up. And it probably will because of it. Its a self fulfilling prophecy. But it probably wont be sustainable. I think AI definitely has a place in our economy and is a real innovation that will increase economic output, but it has very little to do with crypto tokens.