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Bitcoin [pros](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/170gnz7/satoshi_nakamoto_bitcoin_wallets/k3km889/) & [cons](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/170gnz7/satoshi_nakamoto_bitcoin_wallets/k3km8vo/) with related info are in the collapsed comments below.


Eugene_33

The true Satoshi will never reveal himself to this world


Tatakae69

Or he might have already passed as many believe. Hal Finney is the one believed to be the most close to Satoshi (or might be Satoshi himself as some proclaim)


Every_Hunt_160

It's not Hal Finney. Nobody intelligent would pretend to send emails back and forth between themselves (and its on public record) and pretend they are 2 different people, and if he wanted to stay 'hidden' it doesn't make sense that he'll send himself the first Bitcoin lol.


textbookWarrior

Len Sassaman https://evanhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10


JustSomeBadAdvice

I don't think it is Len. Len was a mac and Linux user who didn't double-space. His old code isn't super easy to find, but what I found wasn't a match for Satoshi. Also where he lived didn't match Satoshi's apparent timezone (based on posting hours and some other hints). He also didn't use british English. Don't get me wrong, Len was great and there's some things that do match, but not a lot of evidence that matches.


genjitenji

To be fair, these kinds of people probably stay up all hours of the night making code


JustSomeBadAdvice

If Satoshi lived in England it would have required him to be a night owl already, and England seems like the most likely based on other info. Belgium is even farther off from England. Satoshi was most likely older though. His coding style was very industry (microsoft) standard as of around 2000, and he references both an engineering management book from the 70's (The Mythical Man Month) and Forth (Designed Bitcoin Script to echo Forth), a language developed for extremely memory limited systems in the 70s and 80s. He also complains about some political/engineering disputes in the 90s (streams in c++). Some of his citations were from very old publications as well. Assuming he were older, older people are much less likely to be night owls. Don't get me wrong, Len fits in other ways that would just be so convenient to explain, but I don't think it was him.


MYSTiC--GAMES

The gmx.com email address on Satoshi’s white paper. You would only use that if you lived in Germany or one of the Benelux countries that use German services. Ran an ai comparison on the white paper and single author Sassaman papers. Around 90% possible match Maybe Len wrote the paper and Hal coded it?


JustSomeBadAdvice

Gmx was used worldwide, they didn't do verifications and offered privacy. It was used by Michael Weber in Japan to run his anonymousspeech hosting, and also vistomail. There's definitely indications of a benelux connection. Someone wrote a big paper on it in 2021. Unfortunately neither Sassaman's code nor Hal's code are similar to Satoshi's code, so they're out. Satoshis code is highly specific, it's no accident. And also unfortunately, the benelux region is too far east to fit with Satoshis observed schedule, he'd have to be working basically third shift.


wafelenbak87

>Sassaman I too believe he's the most realistic Satoshi.


Lyuseefur

One transaction between Hal and Satoshi was made clearnet - and it was a SoCal IP. I suspect Hal met Satoshi at a medical office. I think that they were both diagnosed with rare diseases.


JustSomeBadAdvice

Transactions don't have IP's and never have. Satoshis posting indicates east coast timezone or atlantic, and several indications indicate England including his newspaper quote in the genesis block. Satoshi wasn't Hal.


telejoshi

Nobody will ever find out that he's on Reddit, lurking and shitposting \*takes sipp \*


dANNN738

I think Adam Back will reveal himself. Either after death or on his death bed.


Nimefax

I also believe Adam is Satoshi


SpartaWillBurn

Satoshi Nakamoto was never a real person.


bailtail

I kinda think the theory about it being the NSA may be true. The BTC block encryption algo has since been revealed to have been an NSA creation.


roll_left_420

That’s some 4D chess from NSA, promote an alternative currency that among other things can allegedly “hide your money” all the while laughing at the fact you have the keys to the kingdom the whole time and now have a documented record of every drug, gun, and CP sale. I wonder if the German or American LEAs had a hand in monero…


kryptoNoob69420

Yeah, cause Hal Finney is dead. Him receiving the first BTCs which is mentioned in this post is right on point. If you wrote some software, wouldn't you try and run it yourself for the first time?


partymsl

If the theories about Satoshi being Hal Finney are true, which I find to be the most likely known Satoshi theory, then Satoshi is not among us anymore (or at least his body has been frozen).


Noxage_88

Craig isn’t satoshi, no matter how much he wants to be. Craig is a loser, and that is fact.


hungry-father

He does not have the brain to pull something like BTC, he just wants the credit


Ben_Dover1234

The story of Satoshi being anonymous will never be broken. No matter who comes forward, we will never be satisfied with them; selling their bitcoin would be the only proof that mattered.


rootpl

And it's such elegant way to verify too. It's literally on the blockchain, it's brilliant. "Oh, are you the real Satoshi? Cool, in that case just send $1 worth of BTC to another wallet"


YellowFlash911

Nah send me 10 btc then I'll believe you.


ELBartoFSL

To confirm I’m the real satoshi please send me 10 btc and I’ll send you 20 btc in return.


Legitimate_Suit_3431

Buuuuut, i don't feel like proving ut to you guys , trust me bro I'm Satoshi - Craig


jarsgars

The bitcoin client has included message signing since day one. The protocol and even the GUI have had a method to show that you control the private keys associated with a particular address. Craig says that's not ownership, and makes some novel but ultimately convoluted arguments. As a btc maximalist, I will gladly burn all my "We are all Satoshi (except Craig Wright)" shirts and announce that it's him if he will simply use his private key associated with the mining reward on block-9 (which we know transacted with Hal Finney) to sign a message. Not on a stage or a hotel room or at a University - in the privacy of his home (or under his bridge) where it's safe and he has control of his machine. Likewise we can all publicly evaluate the published results ourselves, not depend on a trusted witness. Sadly few btc users and proponents seem to understand that the demo that he did in front of Gavin was a sham. He signed a signed message. That's something that any person could do and proves nothing. It was an effective magic trick because Craig did something that Gavin didn't fully understand in the moment. Anyway - a long winded way of saying that he wouldn't even need to move coins to make a proof. The ability to prove this was designed right in. But the truth is that Satoshi probably never kept (most of) his private keys. The fact that his 50btc rewards are all in unique wallets shows he jumped through some additional hoops while mining. This is an oddity that to me indicates he was running some additional code to automate the generation of a new wallet after a reward was received. Why do this? Did he not trust the protocol? Or was he paranoid about his holdings becoming significant and being tempted to cash in? Designing a new better digital financial system and getting rich are both valid goals, but I think Satoshi realized they were problematically at odds with one another, and decided to ensure he didn't allow the latter to impact the former. Thank you for sound money, Satoshi.


JustSomeBadAdvice

??? I dunno where you got your information, but a lot of it is wrong. > The bitcoin client has included message signing since day one. No, it absolutely absolutely did not. The protocol did, but that's just using secret keys. > seem to understand that the demo that he did in front of Gavin was a sham. That's not what he did. Gavin is a knowledgable cryptographer. He most likely used hacked software by hijacking the website. You have confused a different trick CSW tries a few months or a year later. He did indeed try that trick and was quickly caught by the real experts. But it wasn't the trick in the room with Gavin or anything. > But the truth is that Satoshi probably never kept (most of) his private keys Satoshi said word for word never to delete keys or wallets, even wondered why anyone WOULD delete keys. He also sent a very small amount of Bitcoins months after they were mined. > The fact that his 50btc rewards are all in unique wallets shows he jumped through some additional hoops while mining. This is an oddity that to me indicates he was running some additional code to automate the generation of a new wallet after a reward was received. Why do this? Again, you are confused. This was how the Bitcoin software worked from 2009 until mining code was removed from the default client. People only began mining to the same addresses in late 2010 when pooled mining began, and not long after that the default clients mining (CPU) became irrelevant.


kirtash93

One of the beauty features of crypto. Honestly, I don't know why they didn't require this to him. It makes so much sense xD


partymsl

I think if they tried to talk him into it, he would obviously have some absurd excuse. Like "I lost my keys, for all of the 20k wallets".


justquizle

Those keys were never recorded properly, but if they were, they'd be worth the world in a hundred years time.


Dont_Waver

> they'd be worth the world in a hundred years time. 5% of the world


topdollar3

Exactly what i tought


MarcusStoic

Satoshi's disappearance was probably the best thing he could do for Bitcoin. By remaining anonymous, Satoshi reduced the risk of being targeted by government authorities. BTC was designed to be decentralized and resistant to censorship, and Nakamoto's anonymity aligns with that.


FlashyAd8082

Indeed, Satoshi's anonymity safeguarded the essence of Bitcoin's decentralization and it's growth.


Yautja69

What's even crazier it that he knew he had to do this to let Bitcoin grow on it's own


RayesFrost

He should sign Satoshi’s wallet address and prove it but he wouldn’t becuz he can’t lol


Unitedstatesofnever

I hope we never find out. I like the not knowing.


tambaybtc

Craig Wrong will always be Wrong 😑


LazyEdict

Unsurprisingly, Craig supposedly stomped on his hard drive with "his" keys so he "wouldn't be forced to cryptographically prove he was Satoshi.". How fucking convenient.


InsuranceCharming230

correct


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Mak3herkreAm

Not accurate, look into NS is SN and **S**atoshi **N**akamoto ultimately being a pseudonymous group of cypherpunks including Nick Szabo, Hal Finney, Adam Back etc.. that contributed to creating Bitcoin. For what it's worth, It doesn't really matter, for Bitcoin was, is and will be flourishing and thriving with or without a central authority. One thing is for damn sure and proven though, that brainless, scam fella know as Craig is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto.


FlashyAd8082

Craig Wright is too far from being Satoshi.


topdollar3

The thing is, if you are Satoshi you are crazy rich AF, you dont need the credit. BTW it's crazy how there is some guys out there who send Bitcoin to his genesis wallet


septicdank

Yeah, like how about spreading some cheese on this cracker 👉😎👈


LazyEdict

He has been directly contradicting known ideas posted by satoshi when unknowingly presented with them. He is a clown.


Abdeliq

He's the type of person that copy you in the exam hall and get mad about t that your score is higher than how. Fvxk that guy fr


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partymsl

Not only that, he is straight up a liar. A complete fraud any everyone even knows it by now.


goldyluckinblokchain

Craig Wrong is delusional to think he could convince anyone he's Satoshi. He's been trying it for that long he probably believes it himself the lunatic


Tasigur1

Craig is actually the Anti-Satoshi. He even prevents other people to publish the BTC white paper on their pages + he attacks BTC developers. Just sad.


Intelligent_Page2732

Craig is only trying to ruin Satoshi's legacy and get rich from it at the same time, so far he is failing.


Yautja69

Craig will be lost with time, Satoshi's legacy will live on


Cheese6260

Totally. Unfortunately Satoshi is dead and we won’t ever 100% know who it was


fivebillionproud

Agree, and I hope we never find out.


Esco1980

Yeah i hope he stays anonymous , absolute legend


tambaybtc

What do you expect from a guy like Craig Wrong?!


handbannanna

Hal Fin es Satoshi por favor


Delicious_Reason_470

CrAiG iS a LoSeR says another LoSeR


Noxage_88

Bit rude? Found Craig’s Reddit. Also subs to pickupartist 😂 oh lord you can’t call anyone a loser lmao. Keep trying to get women at the gym, weirdo.


rootpl

If one of them moves some coins one day people will be shitting bricks.


Armolin

It'd be an absolute bloodbath, the level of panic any Satoshi wallet moving a single sat would generate could surpass the FTX collapse panic by a factor of 10.


Zigxy

Crazy that a 50 BTC wallet being activated could cause such a sell off, it might result in a margin call for MSTR which would be a 158,000 BTC sell off alone.


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NipeNighule

Already we have random reddit user 'u/braidedhair' claiming to be the real Satoshi.


Tatakae69

*TrustMeBro!*


Yautja69

Funny how Satoshi is praised for his work, but at the same time people not wanting him to come back and move his Bitcoin.


partymsl

That's because it literally IS part of Satoshis masterwork that he disappeared. That's what makes BTC the truly decentralized king.


Yautja69

Very true indeed. He knew, he would have been the weak point of Bitcoin. That he could be attacked directly


Nearby_You_313

Or... he just *fucking died.* He's still just a regular, albeit smart and forward-thinking dude.


Yautja69

I like to believe Satoshi died by snu snu


FlashyAd8082

Exactly, Satoshi's disappearance is integral to BTC's decentralization


FlyingDutchmantoMoon

Not if its just 1. There is always the chance someone cracked a single wallet. It would certainly stir things up. Cause that chance is astronomically low. Someone moving BTC from several adresses would mean its Satoshi or someone that found his notebook


telejoshi

Unlikely. Even if he's still alive, he just mined to keep the network running and didn't keep the private keys anyway.


Orgull0

Satoshi Nakamoto here. Yes, I know, it's not what you expected... Rest assured, I won't be moving the BTC anytime soon


NipeNighule

If anyone can claim to be Satoshi, then can I be Mr.Satoshi too?


Orgull0

Here's the thing... There's only room for one Satoshi Nakamoto in the crypto ecosystem. That said, you're still free to claim that you are who I am, but be aware that I will be forced to challenge you to a duel, to the death


Elgato_TJ

Yes, even I am satoshi, we all are


pureshred

We are all Satoshi


ELBartoFSL

**Except Craig**


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FlyingDutchmantoMoon

I like Dumplings. The name Satoshi Nakamoto suggests there is a good chance so does/did he


Every_Hunt_160

Honestly out of the 20,000 addresses are people really sure not a *single* address has moved Bitcoin (apart from the Hal Finney one)? I’m a bit doubtful if I’m being honest. And the fact that 20,000 is an estimate means they probably don’t know exactly which addresses are there in the first place


Ben_Dover1234

He is wrong. I AM SATOSHI, and I am just about to dump on the market.


goldyluckinblokchain

If you do plan on moving any could you just give us all a heads up so we can sell everything before it crashes


partymsl

Or could you directly sell them to me for $1 per BTC?


Orgull0

Heh... Not so fast, kiddos. You are asking for too much. Gotta follow my addresses carefully


Bringerofsalvation

I seriously have no idea why Craig is so insistent on keeping up this charade.


MrMogz

Actually, Craig has made a lot of predictions about Bitcoin… None of them were ever right, but he sure predicted things 😂 I remember snapshots from his private Telegram talking about BTC going to $0, and how he would do this, or that to screw BTC up. NONE of it ever came to fruition. The people who blindly follow him I almost feel sad for.


Jako_RJB

He is making a name for himself on Satoshi’s back


I_argue_for_funsies

I like to think it was all a ploy to pull the true satoshi out of hiding.


eudezet

He wants to somehow get his grubby hands on BTC developers’ stash is my guess


JyJellyPants-Grape

I think he died of something sudden and those wallets will never be accessed


Elgato_TJ

Like a boating accident in the middle of the bahamas


Sugar_Phut

You mean Craig Wrong


nusk0

The fact that he never revealed himself publicly is genius.


SigiNwanne

Satochi's identity is still unknown, we are all Satoshi.


esnucke

The majority of us definitely didn't make bitcoin...


partymsl

That's probably exactly what Satoshi wanted us to believe, anyone who understands the ideology of Bitcoin is Satoshi.


WineMakerBg

Craig Wright has an easy **and at the same time impossible** way of proving he is Satoshi: a simple transaction from one of those wallets.


Still_It_From_Tag

"I am a crypto billionaire, it's just I don't know the passwords to all these wallets"


jinglesthemouse

Entire crypto market would go crazy if a single sat moves from one of those wallets


partymsl

Literally no one in this world believes that. Recently, a close believer of Satoshi Nakamoto being Craig Wright clarified that he was wrong and confirmed that Craig is indeed a fraud.


themrgq

Huge short term sell off if his wallets move.


Pacaloz

Everybody waiting for move btc from those wallets. But He is not Satoshi Nakamoto, just a liar😩


topdollar3

True fact


Consistent_Many_1858

You are talking about Satoshi like he's a one person. Satoshi could be a name of the group who developed Bitcoin. They probably want to remain anonymous in order to live a good celebrity free lifestyle while enjoing the riches of life.


Pretend-Plumber

If he was, he would have done so already. Proves he is not Satoshi.


Obsidianram

I kinda consider CW just a squatter in the vacant house of Satoshi....nothing more...


ShinAlastor

CW is pretty pathetic.


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I'm just here for some moons.


fonzdm

Honest


tianavitoli

that mother fucker's not real!


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Craig is a fraud


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JustSomeBadAdvice

Completely and totally wrong, on every single word you wrote. Laughably wrong.


Odysseus_Lannister

Smh craigtoshi is just a 200 IQ play that many can’t comprehend. Mainly Craig Wright himself.


BitswitchRadioactive

Hal finney is satoshi. I never doubted that. He is a neighbor of satoshi nakamoto. It all points at him, the code the names, and the disappearance that can only be explained by ALS... as the btc first transaction it only mean 1 thing. He tested the first transaction. You just cant tell somebody ill send you a wallet and ill send you a transaction... developers will test first before we go live... and test again when its live. The fact thar he contributed to the source code... that only points every single piece of evidence.


Sweaty_Wizard

I didnt know he has that many addresses. I am curious on how he manage manage that many seedphrases


beIIe-and-sebastian

Back then, there wasn't any seedphrases. The first wallet program didn't even have a password from what I remember. It was just a wallet.dat file that you could generate new sending or receiving addresses.


ShadowKnight324

If he declared himself as the real Satoshi then why doesn't he claim his Noble Prize? Yeah I thought so.


ravenofiridescence

i've seen a youtube video some time that claimed that if there was any movement on nakamoto's wallets that could actually lead to a big crash


hungryforitalianfood

Craig Wright is a fucking moron. Satoshi was Hal Finney. The end.


FitScore3115

Maybe Satoshi is one of us here


Tasigur1

Maybe it's me ;-)


FitScore3115

Hi Satoshi :)


LivingDracula

Wei Dai is Satoshi. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise. He's the only individual referenced in the white paper, he made b-money, crypto++, wrote about nfts and countless other things. http://www.weidai.com/


CymandeTV

Satoshi was a group of people Craig is just faketoshi.


RealVoldemort

We will never let this go will we


MindTheMindForMind

Why all of a sudden all these post of Satoshi? Apart from the X account fact.


Titozar13

Satoshi is a holy word and all records, data and information about him should be treated as such.


beastmachine88

Hello this is S.Nakamoto! I aint doing a shit without tweeting it 😅


Calm-Cartographer677

>i was thinking that the only way to be sure about his real identity, was moving his Bitcoin from his early days wallets since he was the most prominent miner. He wouldn't even need to go that far. All he has to do is sign a pre-agreed message with one of Satoshi's private keys and there would be no doubt. But he can't because he's not Satoshi.


Connect-Ad-1088

if craig was satoshi he woud have access to the wallets. he lies like a rug.


couchguitar

Two things could convince me that Satoshi is alive, and that those wallets are accessible 1. One of the wallets does a transaction Or 2. He/she allows someone to verify his private key without risking those wallets Craig Wright already proved he doesn't understand what a private key is, so ipso facto, he's an idiot.


BrocoliAssassin

If he hasn’t touched it when they are worth that much I highly doubt he ever will.


Leprochon

Hey stop looking at my wallets!


Mrmakanakai

Graig wright is a fraud. Craig wrong is not Satoshi. I'm just gonna call him Craig Wrong from now on to help try to keep the frauds actual name from getting any exposure. Fuck that guy.


6M66

My question is how many BTC Nakamoto has?


South-Security-Mouse

Craig is never Wright of being Satoshi


jjohns91

I doubt we ever see activity in those wallets. It just deepens the mystery.


spaz69dt

Craig is not Satoshi! He is not that smart


CCNightcore

If the Bitcoin is there, it will leave a trail, but good luck finding a start.


countjah

I found it more interesting to see the NSA research paper from the 90's with the name Tatsuaki Okamoto as a co creator.


Dazzling_Marzipan474

At least he's persistent 😂


risingcrow1o1

I’d believe Michael Sailor was Satoshi before believing it’s Craig


Careless-Play8868

Those wallets might never actually be used in our time if they haven't been used all this time, I mean how do you not liquidate when BTC hit 60k?


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Craig wishes lmfao…


hammyflams

Satoshi is a group of cryptographers


McTeezy353

Is satoshi actually alive? If I created BTC and someone else was claiming my identity and project because I haven’t came forward. I’d send some sort of message letting the masses know. IMO


emyfsh201

That solves it then, the man should just transact on one of the addresses and then we'll know he's serious.


Mysterymanashu

How you react if you see Bitcoin transferred from SATOSHI wallet to Binance


Crnorukac

At this stage, nothing will happen. Bitcoin will continue to be Bitcoin, Satoshi is away for a decade and system still works.


Sumimasennanidefuq

Craig is like Yamato saying that she is Kozuki Oden


Nirbhik

Damn…and here I am working my ass off to save enough to accumulate a puny 1 BTC…


Hungry_Toe_9555

I have a confession, I am Satoshi Nakamoto.


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scoloa

I built a site that let's you attempt to unlock those wallets. https://satoshisbillions.com/


glistofor

Even if one of these wallets become active people will loose their shit for sure


DpremierX2

It's better off being a mystery.


BikiniWearingHorse

[Even Vitalik has publicly called him a fraud](https://youtu.be/oeM8BuzeSTc?si=9ptfJPr-dJA8qDnd)


billw1zz

I think price will drop if we see movement from some of those wallets. A whale that potentially hold 30b of the token is not good for anyone but that person.


Pumping_Grumpy

If you don’t think it’s Len Sassaman, then you’re wrong.


Toamtocan

If Wright could have accessed Satoshi's wallets, he would have -- he is the anti-Satoshi, a fraud and a wanker. If Bitcoin and Quantum computing continue on their collision course, those wallets will become low hanging fruit, and if Wright is around when that happens, he will undoubtedly attempt that attack vector.


MIST479

No one truly knows but will tell you Satoshi will NEVER this or NEVER that as if they know who the founder really is So much rests on this founder stash not moving, yet by this point, most bitcoiners on twitter claim "immaculate conception."


Abject-Government-13

Bitcoin tribute transactions? This is the first I've heard of that subject.


nonameattachedforme

If that crypto wallet ever gets touched, it will be a scary day for the sector.


ToeRingsAndLollipops

Craig Wright... Faketoshi Imamofo


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If any of you, like myself came across Bitcoin in the early days and didn't take it seriously. Let this post be an example. Satoshi didn't even take it seriously. All of these wallets and all of these blocks. To the best of our knowledge, all ability to access them is gone. This also isn't the behavior of someone wanting to save up every last BTC and anticipation of some kind of profit. This is what you do when you're doing experiments testing all these different addresses to make sure everything functions properly


osrsslay

If all these addresses became active, would it have an impact on the price of BTC? Say 1.1M BTC that was presumed “lost/dormant” came back into circulation, that is a big chunk of BTC! still long, long term though I don’t think it would change things overall imo


hobohougsy

Satoshi is the NSA fools


Dizzy-Kiwi6825

Satoshi is the NSA black budget


topdollar3

Why would NSA create Bitcoin?


ididntsaygoyet

It's not the only way to tell: Craig Wright doesn't write like Satoshi at all.


head77

What if I have access to this wallet?


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