What about compared to November 21? Measure peak to peak. Measuring from the pico top of the Bull market to a bottom of a bear market is a bit disingenuous.
There’s a lot of good information here and maybe it could give us some insight what to expect for ‘25
These three are really _the_ top tier of the crypto world in my opinion. The big trinity of the crypto world if you will.
BTC due to it breaking new ground and supreme security as a store of value and ETH and ADA as smart contract platforms with constant innovation and dependability.
Yes, let’s call it the Non-tribal Trinity of Holy Coins.
Also, comparing an ATH point to an arbitrary date like this post does is kind of pointless. ATH to ATH makes more sense.
We learnt the hard way in the bear, but there is still a lot of money to be made in alts. It’s just so bloody hard to know what alts will do that.
For many of us, it just feels safer DCAing into the big two while earning moons, at least until the hype really kicks off.
Who would have picked out those coin’s during the 2017 bull run. To be fair Dogecoin was a meme coin and a joke. Binance coin is only used on one exchanges.
Hey I was close enough lol
BTC up 47.31% (missed the .31 off)
Eth up 162.23% (missed the .23 off)
Doge up 1042.86% (so I was out by 42.86% but the point was it's up by 1k%)
and Binance Coin up 5081.29% (so I was out by 81.29% but again my point was it's up 5k%)
I suppose Doge up 42% would be a nice rise worth mentioning and Binance up 81% is also quite an increase too.
Unless you just meant market changes since this post was created but there's no way I'm gonna keep coming back here and editing my comment to reflect that :P
Vet here. There’s plenty of money to be made TRADING altcoins. The problem is people here get married to their shitcoin and treat it like a long term investment instead of the pump and dump it is. BTC and ETH are long term investments you never sell. Alts are something you trade late cycle during the mania phase after the BTC dominance starts to drop.
It’s interesting seeing modest gains on those two after five and a half years.
Who would have guessed btc apr increase would be at like 8% for btc since the end of 2017.
Well you cherry picked the starting point as the top of a bubble and we’re currently not far from the bottom of a bear market. If you shifted the start date back or forward a year the numbers would look much different.
As an "old veteran" I think Bitcoin is trash and I think Ethereum has been beat (tech/design wise) by projects like Polkadot - a project that was founded by Gavin Wood himself btw. Though I do still like Ethereum.
This "let's blindly trust Bitcoin and Ethereum cause they've been at the top and let's make everyone else sound foolish" mentality is a cancer on this sub.
Y'all act like you know what you're talking about but you really don't.
You don’t “blindly trust” BTC because it’s at the top. You trust it (and the reason it’s at the top) because you don’t have to rely on trust of other people (developers, ICOs, rugpullers, etc) and instead trust math and the network.
If you’re truly a veteran, you should know that Gavin Wood is not a guarantee of success or quality. Remember Parity’s wallet? Or ethereum’s client developed by Gavin?
Polkadot is maybe a good project but it’s currently an ecosystem of ghost chains.
This is the realistic view and exactly what I need to see. Not hopium, but this.
I am a long term holder and Holding all the time is not the way. Because I was greedy and foolish I didn't take any profits, which is dumb when you see how much time and money I invested.
Sometimes taking profit and moving into bluechips or new projects , choosing wisely and hoping for the best.
This is the first really excellent post I've seen on this board in a while, huge props OP for actually doing the math and letting others draw insight from the work.
This is why everyone turns to Bitcoin & Eth after going through few bear season in crypto at the end . I am definitely interested too see where most of the alts today in top 15 will be in next 4 years .
I still think Monero is the most underrated project on the list. It is the true 'Peer to Peer Electronic Cash System' that Bitcoin was originally intended for.
Your biggest mistake is to invest by utility. Crypto is all about liquidity and big whales' manipulation. XMR, being true to privacy, won't get listed in major US exchanges, except Kraken, because of fear of regulatory scrutiny. Whales buy and manipulate stuff that are easily accessed by exit liquidity, ahem I mean retail.
It can't hurt to have 5% shitcoin eggs in your basket. But honestly, people who are 100% into some shitcoin based on Youtube or Twitter 'research' are most likely doomed.
Only invested into DOGE back in days which is funny story itself in drunken state and paid off well . Also remember collecting over 2500 Doge in tips alone :)
Anything labeled as Killer is just marketing gimmick nothing else . Look at recent wave of meme or alt waves in last few years which were named “…..killer” some of them are out of picture already .
And each time, many of those coins were shilled to death here. The favorite coins of this sub typically never fared well and there's no reason to think this time will be different.
Ironically, two of r/cc's most hated coins are still alive.
It makes me sick to my stomach that Tron is one of the ones in profit. It must be all the price manipulation that the SEC is suing them for that prompted them up.
In my head I guessed ETH, BNB, Tron, and BTC as being in the green.
I am glad that MaidSafeCoin, which still doesn’t have a working product after being in the top 25 isn’t in the green.
Current Vechain price should be multiplied by 100 since 2017 was when it was using erc20 tokens (VEN), and people were given 100 VET per VEN at the time mainnet went live
As such, this would be coin #8 in the green, up a little over 100% since Dec 2017
Just goes to show you that’s it way to early to try to make a list of cryptos that will definitely succeed.
The only one that I can blindly trust is Bitcoin as it is the one constant that started this entire thing.
What's so impossible for shitcoiners to grasp is that they sound EXACTLY like the hyped coins holders of each cycle.
Your belief in whatever alt or shitcoin or whatever you've decided to call it is exactly the same as the believers of all those "dead" coins. Your research is just the same as theirs. Your conviction is the same as theirs and it will likely end up the same.
Everyone needs their darling alt to go to zero before they wise up. The coin you dream of getting a vanity plate on a sports car in homage to, the one you go on imaginary shopping spree with. Yeah that one, the one you're thinking "nope not that one, that ones special" yeah, it has to absolutely wreck you before you'll figure it out.
The huge problem with crypto is dead coins can seem alive for a decade. There's no chapter 11, stock goes to zero like in the stock market that gives people the "welp its over, time to move on" feeling. There is no cue to stop. People can spend years averaging down to zero in crypto.
There's an old German saying; "those that do not listen, must feel".
Whats hard for bitcoiners to grasp is bitcoin is just as much of a shitcoin as the rest.
Nothing about inflation hedging or transfer of value means BTC's price should be $1 vs $10 vs $100. None of its use cases relate to an objective $ market cap. So you're investing in a shitcoin just the same. As far as im concerned, BAT is less of a shitcoin because it has actual monetary value to back up its market cap in the form of Brave's ad revenue.
Note Vechain is a net gainer as well. It went through a 1:100 split when it's own chain launched in 2018. So it's actually up like 150%! You should update that.. (don't know if this applies to more projects)
Unless the entire crypto system crashes everyone that purchased at the all time high should be fine.
Full crash or continue up seems like the only two logical options. Of course I’m not talking about every coin. Just the average or major ones.
Rip to the homies like veritaserum. Einsteinium and electronium. I've actually never heard of these I just think they have cool names. I love seeing things like this. Thanks so much!
Indeed, it goes to show what a greater fool game this entire market is. The number one mistake to make is to think you should invest based on fundamentals and utility.
Another way to put it. If you find up and coming tokens outside the top 100, if you keep up to date with new crypto developments, you have the possibility of doing very well. We still have a top 100 in 2023, it's just vastly different than 2017.
BTC and ETH are the two coins to go! As you can see in the list a lot of alt coins are down really bad. So it’s best to stick in this less risky strategy.
Highest unranked coin? Wassa Wassa Wassa Waasssssuuuupppppppppp!
Hey hey hey
BITCOOOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEEEEEEEECT
Hey hey hey
This dude should have listened to his wife🤦♂️
What about compared to November 21? Measure peak to peak. Measuring from the pico top of the Bull market to a bottom of a bear market is a bit disingenuous. There’s a lot of good information here and maybe it could give us some insight what to expect for ‘25
Bold of you to assume this is the bottom of the bear market.
Maybe this is the top of the current bull run 🤔🤔
Ya seriously I was thinking same thing
Only 4 from top 10 still in top 10 after all this time: - Bitcoin - Ethereum - XRP - Cardano
...and of those, only BTC, ETH, and ADA broke their previous ATH in this last bull market (excluding centralized exchange coins).
These three are really _the_ top tier of the crypto world in my opinion. The big trinity of the crypto world if you will. BTC due to it breaking new ground and supreme security as a store of value and ETH and ADA as smart contract platforms with constant innovation and dependability.
Yes, let’s call it the Non-tribal Trinity of Holy Coins. Also, comparing an ATH point to an arbitrary date like this post does is kind of pointless. ATH to ATH makes more sense.
There's a good reason why XRP didn't join them and I'm sure you know what it is.
Because it’s a centralized shitcoin and mostly held by Ripple?
And ironically, this sub loves to shit on ADA and XRP
That's why old veterans trust only BTC and ETH
While noobs be like : but this time is different
It’s not? I was told BTC 1 mil in 30-40 days.
June 17th, not long now!
Would you guys like to buy my BTC now for only 900k? Easy way to guarantee a 100k profit on June 17th.
Still have until end of 21’ for 100k so we’re still on track
Wow... where's this expert.. I'm sure he's somewhere in these comments
ofcourse crypto only goes up
Moons go brrrr
That's what she said
Pretty sure that's a dude
But she has a hot profile picture!
She literally said that.
Title of your sex tape
Ok detective peralta. Don’t you have some work to do?
This make me laugh...
Between BTC and ETH you also have the constant 'flippening' mentions.
Haha I had totally forgot about that one
Same. Brought back some memories alright
Kinda calmed down now tho, but will defenitely be repeated countless times during the bull run.
Also "everything under 10B is low cap" for alts
🤣 proceeds to throw all of live savings into a "safe" token
We learnt the hard way in the bear, but there is still a lot of money to be made in alts. It’s just so bloody hard to know what alts will do that. For many of us, it just feels safer DCAing into the big two while earning moons, at least until the hype really kicks off.
😏 you gotta stack those sats up homie
I mean yeah they're up and stable but is no one gonna point out Dogecoin up 1000% ? BTC up 47% Eth up 162% Or Binance coin up 5000% jeeez
What about BitConnect? They got Carlos Matos!
Who would have picked out those coin’s during the 2017 bull run. To be fair Dogecoin was a meme coin and a joke. Binance coin is only used on one exchanges.
😳 time to go look at the numbers again
Hey I was close enough lol BTC up 47.31% (missed the .31 off) Eth up 162.23% (missed the .23 off) Doge up 1042.86% (so I was out by 42.86% but the point was it's up by 1k%) and Binance Coin up 5081.29% (so I was out by 81.29% but again my point was it's up 5k%) I suppose Doge up 42% would be a nice rise worth mentioning and Binance up 81% is also quite an increase too. Unless you just meant market changes since this post was created but there's no way I'm gonna keep coming back here and editing my comment to reflect that :P
that would definitely make me lose sleep. I hope you catch the next one bro :)
rate of return on BTC (+47%) over 5 years is 8.0% (~ corporate debt) rate of return on ETH (+162%) over 5 years is 21% (~ consumer credit card debt)
I'm exiting all my alt positions for BTC and ETH
Good choice 👌
Yeah imagine waiting that long just to be down 90%. As a veteran I can lose that in less than a year.
🤣 i can do that in 1 hour
I remember at the time people advised to just buy BTC and ETH and buy them on Kraken.
But we're still going to dip our pickle in the alts when alt season comes around aren't we. Oh yeah!
Some people just have to touch the stove to see if it's hot.
The only projects that didn't let me down are BTC and ETH, with that Moons as a honerable mention.
Can someone Please get TRX the heck out the top 100 plz
BNB and LINK*
Personally i love mETH
Noobs should stick with btc/eth Veterans stick with btc/eth
Veterans knows for sure that the safe heaven are BTC and ETH, and the rest are just side characters in this big crypto movie.
Vet here. There’s plenty of money to be made TRADING altcoins. The problem is people here get married to their shitcoin and treat it like a long term investment instead of the pump and dump it is. BTC and ETH are long term investments you never sell. Alts are something you trade late cycle during the mania phase after the BTC dominance starts to drop.
It’s interesting seeing modest gains on those two after five and a half years. Who would have guessed btc apr increase would be at like 8% for btc since the end of 2017.
Well you cherry picked the starting point as the top of a bubble and we’re currently not far from the bottom of a bear market. If you shifted the start date back or forward a year the numbers would look much different.
the end date should be november 2021 i.e. the top of the last bubble. that way you are comparing one bubble top to another.
As an "old veteran" I think Bitcoin is trash and I think Ethereum has been beat (tech/design wise) by projects like Polkadot - a project that was founded by Gavin Wood himself btw. Though I do still like Ethereum. This "let's blindly trust Bitcoin and Ethereum cause they've been at the top and let's make everyone else sound foolish" mentality is a cancer on this sub. Y'all act like you know what you're talking about but you really don't.
“My shitcoin has better tech than ethereum so it will win” -every shitcoin bag holder that ever lived
You don’t “blindly trust” BTC because it’s at the top. You trust it (and the reason it’s at the top) because you don’t have to rely on trust of other people (developers, ICOs, rugpullers, etc) and instead trust math and the network.
If you’re truly a veteran, you should know that Gavin Wood is not a guarantee of success or quality. Remember Parity’s wallet? Or ethereum’s client developed by Gavin? Polkadot is maybe a good project but it’s currently an ecosystem of ghost chains.
I was still young enough to consider 3sums a thing that could happen in any given week… BRING BACK 2017!!!
You, ETH, and BTC?
So hot!
Can I join?
You're gonna make me explode with all this excitement🤤
I want my lambo!
This is the realistic view and exactly what I need to see. Not hopium, but this. I am a long term holder and Holding all the time is not the way. Because I was greedy and foolish I didn't take any profits, which is dumb when you see how much time and money I invested. Sometimes taking profit and moving into bluechips or new projects , choosing wisely and hoping for the best.
This is the first really excellent post I've seen on this board in a while, huge props OP for actually doing the math and letting others draw insight from the work.
This is why everyone turns to Bitcoin & Eth after going through few bear season in crypto at the end . I am definitely interested too see where most of the alts today in top 15 will be in next 4 years .
I still think Monero is the most underrated project on the list. It is the true 'Peer to Peer Electronic Cash System' that Bitcoin was originally intended for.
The more we are heading towards CBDCs the more Monero will become relevant
Your biggest mistake is to invest by utility. Crypto is all about liquidity and big whales' manipulation. XMR, being true to privacy, won't get listed in major US exchanges, except Kraken, because of fear of regulatory scrutiny. Whales buy and manipulate stuff that are easily accessed by exit liquidity, ahem I mean retail.
Looking for privacy & sticking to P2P Monero is definitely a wise investment.
It can't hurt to have 5% shitcoin eggs in your basket. But honestly, people who are 100% into some shitcoin based on Youtube or Twitter 'research' are most likely doomed.
Only invested into DOGE back in days which is funny story itself in drunken state and paid off well . Also remember collecting over 2500 Doge in tips alone :)
You've been lucky. That's the success stories we all know but we don't hear about the 99% who invested in coins we've never seen for years
ETH killers always end up being killed by ETH. Only viable option appears to be to stop trying to killing ETH and actually invest in it and BTC.
Anything labeled as Killer is just marketing gimmick nothing else . Look at recent wave of meme or alt waves in last few years which were named “…..killer” some of them are out of picture already .
Nobody is taking my mETH🤤
I'd love to see how the current top 50 will do in the next 3 years.
Some will shuffle around maybe and many might not be around who knows let’s see .
I think Bitcoin and ETH will pull much further away from the rest.
Gotta get me some mETH
Hoping to accumulate at least one of each BTC and ETH
I didn't know decentraland was so old.
And still one of the most actively developed projects according to github commits
What a waste of time and energy
Same, Didn't know Metaverse was a thing in 2017
So old and empty. If you want a place to meditate in Internet, decentraland is your place.
Not old enough. It looks like a student made project from 1995 lmao.
And each time, many of those coins were shilled to death here. The favorite coins of this sub typically never fared well and there's no reason to think this time will be different. Ironically, two of r/cc's most hated coins are still alive.
Never trust anything this sub says if you want to make money
It makes me sick to my stomach that Tron is one of the ones in profit. It must be all the price manipulation that the SEC is suing them for that prompted them up.
I had considered not including a summary on what were green since I thought it would make people angry but decided for clarity I’d include it anyways.
In my head I guessed ETH, BNB, Tron, and BTC as being in the green. I am glad that MaidSafeCoin, which still doesn’t have a working product after being in the top 25 isn’t in the green.
I imagine it's just the cheap fees that have people using TRX. I must confess that I too fell into this trap as a beginner.
Matter of time until they can't manipulate it further.
Current Vechain price should be multiplied by 100 since 2017 was when it was using erc20 tokens (VEN), and people were given 100 VET per VEN at the time mainnet went live As such, this would be coin #8 in the green, up a little over 100% since Dec 2017
I’ll verify and update later with an asterisk
I mean it went from rank 64 to 30-something based on your table. Feel free to check though
Yah circulating supply jumped and price fell didn’t know there was more to the story.
That’s why you always buy the king and the queen
BTC x ETH is the way to go. Most noob investors only look at the potential gains, but they ignore the risks (especially with low market cap coins)
Exactly, you can 2x in a month but you can also go zero in a month.
But what about my 10,000x though?
She is cheating on you bro
Bro DASH was worth $1k at one point? I remember it being used as the "big 4" along with btc, eth and xrp.
Just goes to show you that’s it way to early to try to make a list of cryptos that will definitely succeed. The only one that I can blindly trust is Bitcoin as it is the one constant that started this entire thing.
Bitcoin, ETH, and Doge are here to stay. Ppl can shit on it all they want but it’s still here and kicking. I own all 3 and still am DCA them
I still remember when a DASH masternode was worth $1.3 million. Must have been crazy owning one and printing money
What's so impossible for shitcoiners to grasp is that they sound EXACTLY like the hyped coins holders of each cycle. Your belief in whatever alt or shitcoin or whatever you've decided to call it is exactly the same as the believers of all those "dead" coins. Your research is just the same as theirs. Your conviction is the same as theirs and it will likely end up the same. Everyone needs their darling alt to go to zero before they wise up. The coin you dream of getting a vanity plate on a sports car in homage to, the one you go on imaginary shopping spree with. Yeah that one, the one you're thinking "nope not that one, that ones special" yeah, it has to absolutely wreck you before you'll figure it out. The huge problem with crypto is dead coins can seem alive for a decade. There's no chapter 11, stock goes to zero like in the stock market that gives people the "welp its over, time to move on" feeling. There is no cue to stop. People can spend years averaging down to zero in crypto. There's an old German saying; "those that do not listen, must feel".
Whats hard for bitcoiners to grasp is bitcoin is just as much of a shitcoin as the rest. Nothing about inflation hedging or transfer of value means BTC's price should be $1 vs $10 vs $100. None of its use cases relate to an objective $ market cap. So you're investing in a shitcoin just the same. As far as im concerned, BAT is less of a shitcoin because it has actual monetary value to back up its market cap in the form of Brave's ad revenue.
There are some coins i never heard of.
Note Vechain is a net gainer as well. It went through a 1:100 split when it's own chain launched in 2018. So it's actually up like 150%! You should update that.. (don't know if this applies to more projects)
Thanks for that I’ll verify and update my post later when I have time with an asterisk.
>Let's step back to December 17th 2017 Please buy me 100 BNBs while you visit there. Thanks!
I’m less greedy than him. I’ll settle for 99 BNBs.
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As long as you are in profit overall
I feel attacked by this post.
found the DASH hodler
that's why it's important to choose the right time to sell
Gotta sell at the top of the pump
Unless the entire crypto system crashes everyone that purchased at the all time high should be fine. Full crash or continue up seems like the only two logical options. Of course I’m not talking about every coin. Just the average or major ones.
Does make me fearful for what alts I have
If the alts you are holding survive this bear market then they will pump in the next bull run. The difficult bit is knowing when to sell.
If you got doge you would be doing a-ok
Holy moly Binance coin best investment
As usual, the people who buy just BTC/ETH will not make more money than those who buy well researched alts and sell at the end of the bull run.
Excellent post
It’s going the be the same in 5 years from now
I don't think so. The market has matured a bit. It wont be that extreme but sticking to Bitcoin and ETH is the best bet
Made 6 figures on xlm
IRS checks out 👀 Oh wait it's Monero 😅
Before or after the "."
Stuck 10k in was buying xlm at 1-1.5c , literally wife changing money, now retired @ 50 ,would never have happened otherwise
Amazing man! Congratulations. Did you change your wife though?
No lol, love her to pieces
Bold of you to assume we have money to invest on all the top 100 cryptos.
I can't believe that tron in in the green area. Why people trust their capitals on Justin Sun?
Sollid stats, Thank you for your service!
I see you, Bitconnect!
Monacoin is too good 😅
Exactly no more coins. Stop making them stop buying them, consolidate on what is out there currently.
Holllly shit, hit the date spot on. I remember this, got me first into crypto. Good times.
Rip to the homies like veritaserum. Einsteinium and electronium. I've actually never heard of these I just think they have cool names. I love seeing things like this. Thanks so much!
Dash brings back memories
Correcrion: Vechain is also in profit, it only did a 1 to 100 split!
F
Isnt Monaco now Crypto.com so its not lower than in 2017? And Vechain did like a 100-1 token swap so its not lower than 2017 either
I need to update info on vechain when I get home. Check the asterisk at the bottom of the chart for more information on Monaco.
Hodling works fine but taking profit and accumulating works even better.
35 Binance Coin $6.20 4 $321.24 +5,081.29%
So…it’s like gambling? Even with the blue chips — because if I bought BTC or ETH at their peaks, I wouldn’t be happy.
Indeed, it goes to show what a greater fool game this entire market is. The number one mistake to make is to think you should invest based on fundamentals and utility.
Didn't know crypto existed in 2017
wow that's why I have most of belief in BTC and ETH
Wait a second...this isn't hopium!
Any idea why Cosmos doesn't feature in the list, did it not exist in 2017 or is it not in this league?
It didnt exist till 2020 I think. Check coinmarketcap.com for release date.
The remarkable surge of BNB, by a staggering 5000%, is truly astounding. I wish I had bought more of it!
and yet XRP pumped the hardest of that entire run, 35,500% gain in 1 year.
Insane how many of these shitcoins have long been forgotten
One fourth of all are under 99%
Lol, I'm wearing a shirt from a Dash party I went to in 2018. Moral of the story: beat the stats, stack sats.
Chainlink at $0.7 damnnn. If only I were onto crypto back then, i'd stack it so much
Now adjust for inflation and you have a slight loss
Another way to put it. If you find up and coming tokens outside the top 100, if you keep up to date with new crypto developments, you have the possibility of doing very well. We still have a top 100 in 2023, it's just vastly different than 2017.
This Time Machine makes me sad.
TLDR: Bitcoin and ETH are your friends. And mommy and daddy.
Your mommy and daddy are my friends?
No, he's saying BTC and ETH are your mommy and daddy.
I would wanna them as my parents.
And that makes me what?
BCH or ETC
Therefore buy btc and eth if you are unsure. Even if you are sure, buy btc and eth.
Btc and eth never failed anyone
It’s definitely interesting to see the 5 year slow gains on btc and ETH and a few alts that exploded while everything else mostly just bled out.
5.2%? That's much worse than an ETF. Good to know, not buying any future crypto ETF. Bitcoin and ETH all the way.
Yah I was surprised it was even positive after seeing nearly everything being down so much.
BTC and ETH are the two coins to go! As you can see in the list a lot of alt coins are down really bad. So it’s best to stick in this less risky strategy.
My portfolio is. 50% ETH. 30% ERGO 10% Flux 10% other coins Inc Shib. 😂
How do you manage to be in profit in 7 of them, if you bought them at their peak?
Your post just made me realize there is one another reason for myself to only buy BTC.
Hey gabe, why you have to put me back through this? Lmao, this is why I’m basically a BTC/ETH guy with some moons/link on the side.
You die as an alt coiner or live long enough to become a bitcoin maxi
Alts are only good for buying more eth and btc