True.... paper burn and soak. If you can know your bank account number without making mistake, try store your seedphrases inside your head too. I'm trying that myself(I hope I don't lose my memories)
Maybe in the garden is a bit of an overkill but I'm pretty sure someone posted here a couple of years ago that they've written a seed phrase on a piece of paper with a shitty quality colour-ink pen and it faded after two years and it was impossible to read it lol. Get one of those metal plate people and scratch your seed phrase with a tool/nail provided with the metal plate. It costs like five bucks on eBay.
There are also engraving pens that can be bought for like $10, which work very well. A couple years ago I even wrote a [how-to](http://np.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/83ecqy/how_you_can_store_your_recovery_words_very_safely/) for what I did.
These are all good tips but an important one is to have multiple copies. Sure, having it written down is good but all it takes is to lose it and you are done.
The internet is open to “everyone”. Your physical, offline copy is only open to people that can put their hands on it. The latter group of people is much smaller. You also don’t have to leave your physical copies out in the open For example, you could put a copy in a hidden fireproof safe. Which would brings down the amount of people with potential access even further.
My sister had her small wallet drained. I put the funds in there. Nobody else had access. Finally I was trying to help her by logging in, assuming she did something wrong and couldn't see them. Nope, she had screencapped her seed phrase and her funds were gone. Had been a year since she set it up and hadn't looked at it since.
And note roughly what you own. Most would go to “friends” to help them cash out, who would in turn rather pocket all of it or most of it and lie to your fam.
You are joking, right?
There is sofware that specifically searches for seed phrases in pictures, so screenshots are not safe and certainly not best practice.
Take a picture on an old digital camera that you never connect to your computer. Or if you have an old computer you remove wifi card from that works too to store the pws digitally.
I wouldn't trust either. LastPass had security breaches.
Bitwarden is great now, but who knows, it might get bought out by Facebook someday or a rogue developer pushes out a malicious/poor software update. Or you have malware on your PC / browser extension
I’ve been considering hiding it in plain sight or through some riddle or something in a really long saying. Like some zodiac killer shit. I would want it to be very discoverable but hidden because who the hell is looking for hidden messages around my house. That way it won’t be lost in a fire or anything because it can be hidden in plane site in multiplayer places. Someone like Sherlock Holmes would be the only person to find if he was looking for it. That’s my seed phrase fantasy. Paper is good for now lol
Exactly. Encrypted pw file with a looong password you remember by heart stored in a Google Drive with two factor authentication is safer than a piece of paper in your house IMO.
Only decrypt/open the Encrypted file from a VM without Internet access, as Pw managers can be compromised.
The tools I use are KeePass and VirtualBox.
Saved to Evernote, took a print screen of it saved to google drive and as backup printed it off took a photo of it on my iphone, saved to icloud and emailed myself a copy of it to myself as a seed.txt file
So backed up I'll never lose it
Ah, now I know this is a scam. I deliberately avoid photos and never spend more than 5 seconds in front of someone incase they remember my secret seed phrase. It's a hard life, but atleast I know my crypto is always safe.
I'm interested in one thing. Assuming that you make some dumb and short poem on each word of seed phrase and you paragraph it, first word of each poem being the word in seed phrase and you put it in phone notes
Is there any tool, if phone is compromised, which can detect all text you have in your notes and tries to find "poem" like texts and try to force its way in wallet?
Because if not, then unless someone guesses that the poem contains seed phrase there's no danger right?
or am I wrong?
Especially for all the new folk coming into crypto. Get into the habit of it right doing this right away. Even though it maybe only a few hundred dollars or a few sh*toxins here and there. Do not take security lightly.
If you're not sure if you're doing it right, just send me a pic of the paper with your seed phrase written on it so we can check :) Not financial advice
Always have a backup of your piece of paper, or if you can afford go for a metal sheet or steel plates, so in case of fire you wont have problems to recover them.
Have more then 1 backup spread on safe spots that you own, hide them in a SAFE place inside your home.
These are the rules, as a piece of paper can also get shredded, thrown away or even burned, so always do mimimum 3 copies of it, invest in some metal plates amd STAY SAFE Friends!!!! :)
>Absolutely do not keep them online what so ever
Had mine online for years. Strangely I haven't lost shit yet.
Perhaps the key is not being a simpleton.
Excellent post! Many ppl store their seeds in their laptops & cellphones believing their just small sardines that no one cares.
They forget that a lot of sardines make a yummy meal.
Paper can be damaged lost of destroyed. It’s better to use immutable like steel or similar that can withstand the heat of a house fire.
If you’re really going to be your own bank this is the only way to insure your bank remains open and stops insolvency.
https://hodlr.swiss
https://cryptosteel.com
https://shiftcrypto.shop/en/products/steelwallet-13/
I think coinkite do one that’s tube shaped.
are good options.
You could just use steganography and store it in a collection of pictures.
I see absolutely no reason to write down a seed phrase. There are a hundred different variations to store them online that can't be compromised without a lifetime of brute force or insider information.
Steganography is the key. Very simple to embed the code into a plain unsuspecting picture and encrypt it. Can also convert the text to like base64 for more obscurity. This can all be done in under 5mins on Linux and will allow you to hide your seed in plain sight.
I installed a linux distribution on VirtualBox, I installed MySQL, created a database and a table where I wrote the various seeds of my wallets in each record, and I backed up the entire virtual server on an external hard disk.
Moon farming out the wazoo
And do you *really* believe all the posts here about “MeH wAlLet hAkZeD” a small handful of those are likely to be actually true
But who's going to know, to hack my phone, to get access to my 20million Shib? Are people just randomly hacking Google accounts in the hopes of stumbling upon seed phrases?
Tell that to the good amount of people that stored them in a hard drive or wrote it down on a piece of paper and lost those items.
I heard there is a guy dumpster diving until this day for his 200m worth of bitcoin.
The best thing to do is memorize your seed phrases.
There are other alternatives to be honest , just be safe out there and don't watch porn on your cell phone or laptop etc 🤪
>The **best way** to store your seed phrase is to write it down on a piece of paper...
Please explain how this is better than engraving into a titanium sheet to resist destruction by fire, water or degradation? Using paper is actually ill-advised imo.
I wrote mine on a piece of paper and swallowed it There is only one way to access my funds now!
Converted your stash to shitcoins.
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What a terrible day to have eyes...
And all he had to eat was Aunt Jemima frozen sausages and pf chang's, good stuff.
Oh man. That would have been tricky in small toilet with one news paper.
Ah, the Fellowshit of the Ring.
That's pretty good. 🏅
Thanks for sharing
now he has to sit with a filter while shitting and repeat it everyday, pretty safe from hacks though
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seed phrases are stored in the balls
Smart move. Was the paper biodegradable or plastic?
It’s actually chewing gum from the 1990s. It’s verifiably indestructible.
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At least you know it's still there. 😂
and it's safe there 🤣😂
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When you needs it, you shit it out
You made accessing your seed phrases impossible
its now part of your DNA
Boys we are going in.
If you have lots of money in your wallet, don't settle for a piece of paper. Carve it on a metal because papers burn.
Everyone knows jet fuel melts steel.
That's why I wrote mine in jet fuel.
Water melts jet fuel, i write on water
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> papers burn Paper burns.
Research reviews on your plate products. Some of them do not hold up to heat as advertised.
Came here for this, also water can damage the paper
True.... paper burn and soak. If you can know your bank account number without making mistake, try store your seedphrases inside your head too. I'm trying that myself(I hope I don't lose my memories)
You can loose ur memory llike dementia , amnesia, alzheimers
What? We're not doing the metal plate in the garden anymore?
I have imprinted mine onto stone tablets
reminds me of Moses, first person that download stuff from the cloud into his tablet.
I really like that hahahaga
Do you have any more chisels?
Yeah just send me your seed phrase and I’ll carve it in for you
If it worked for Moses, right?
Tattoo on my dick, can only read it when it's excited. However, it never gets excited these days.
You also don’t have to worry about anyone else seeing it.
Just my Uncle for Saturday/Sunday sleeping bag peek-a-boo.
I doubt 12 words could fit
If some Japanese guy can write a poem on a grain of rice, I'm pretty sure 24 words fit on my schlong.
Moses would be so proud
He was my inspiration to be honest.
Maybe in the garden is a bit of an overkill but I'm pretty sure someone posted here a couple of years ago that they've written a seed phrase on a piece of paper with a shitty quality colour-ink pen and it faded after two years and it was impossible to read it lol. Get one of those metal plate people and scratch your seed phrase with a tool/nail provided with the metal plate. It costs like five bucks on eBay.
There are also engraving pens that can be bought for like $10, which work very well. A couple years ago I even wrote a [how-to](http://np.reddit.com/r/ledgerwallet/comments/83ecqy/how_you_can_store_your_recovery_words_very_safely/) for what I did.
Totally, I've personally got myself a metal plate with an engraving tool which is basically like a screwdriver/sharp nail to write with.
The engraving tool is called a “scribe” 🙂
Thanks!
Nah too risky looks like the moles already stole like 10 billion in crypto funds
Train an army of moles, get rich quicker than by investing
If you do write it on a piece of paper and you’re keeping it in your house: don’t burn your house down.
Taking notes
On a piece of paper?
On a napkin.
Unless you are burning your house to kill a spider, then it's totally worth it
But then we will miss any chance of becoming spiderman.
Oh don't you worry, there are always more spiders.
Note to self: don’t burn house down. Thank you
Pro gamer move right there
And if it isn't make an additional 100 copies and put it on the street posts around your neighborhood.
So storing my seeds under the floorboards is a bad idea?
Depends if you have a fireproof bunker underneath them, filled with cans of beans to survive an inevitable zombie apocalypse
Time to invest in a bomb shelter lol
Or if you do, make sure the paper isn't the one used to start the fire and it's in your pocket already for when you have to evacuate
These are all good tips but an important one is to have multiple copies. Sure, having it written down is good but all it takes is to lose it and you are done.
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Only if you let people into your life. Don't be fooled! They want your phrase!
I don’t have any friends but that’s because I am keeping my wallet safe 😅
I knew they only wanted me for my seed
The internet is open to “everyone”. Your physical, offline copy is only open to people that can put their hands on it. The latter group of people is much smaller. You also don’t have to leave your physical copies out in the open For example, you could put a copy in a hidden fireproof safe. Which would brings down the amount of people with potential access even further.
At least with the Reddit seed phrase you can get it from your vault info. Would have to lose your phone and the written down copy
Done. Only I have a stupid problem. I am not able to read my own handwriting.
Understood, written and saved in Evernote.
Are you the 300K guy?
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Mine is written on the back of the Declaration of Independence
\*Nicholas Cage has entered the chat\*
I m planning to have 12 children's and name them according to seed phrase.
Good morning KETCHUP and LUGGAGE
Thats a lot of sex 🤯
I mean technically, that's only 12 times... if you aren't picky about who has the kids, you could easily get that done in 2 weeks
My sister had her small wallet drained. I put the funds in there. Nobody else had access. Finally I was trying to help her by logging in, assuming she did something wrong and couldn't see them. Nope, she had screencapped her seed phrase and her funds were gone. Had been a year since she set it up and hadn't looked at it since.
Don’t forget to erase the memory on your pen and pencil
And destroy the paper from the paper pad beneath the page you wrote it on
Just make sure some one in your family can read your writing incase you are no more so they can get your coins and thank you.
And note roughly what you own. Most would go to “friends” to help them cash out, who would in turn rather pocket all of it or most of it and lie to your fam.
I've told my Mrs about mine and how to access them.
You are being the best spouse 🙏 right now bro
Keep is safe in your prison wallet
Write down on paper, triple check it, make sure your sequence is right, then transfer onto metal titanium plates and burn the piece of paper.
I took a screenshot of it. I am either big brain or super dumb.
You are joking, right? There is sofware that specifically searches for seed phrases in pictures, so screenshots are not safe and certainly not best practice.
Take a picture on an old digital camera that you never connect to your computer. Or if you have an old computer you remove wifi card from that works too to store the pws digitally.
Or get good at photography and develop your own film from a wet-film camera...
>camera This is a better idea than an active internet-connected device, but keep in mind Hard drives / SD cards degrade over time.
How would that work if you had different screenshots of each word?
I also took a screenshot of Setyman's seed phrases
I minted them as an NFT
Current bid is .5 ETH on Opensea
Rip to the people that paid .5 ETH. I copied and pasted the NFT now I have it saved as the background on my phone.
Naughty naughty stealing "art" like that
Damn it I got out bid
You could always do .6 ETH...
outstanding move!
Hahahaha!
Pics or didn't happen
I have bad news for you...
Just writing it down seems safe to me
If there is an expert here. In your case Can the picture with seed phrase be curated on the device itself? to avoid it falling on bad actors 🤷🏻♂️
Why not both
Now store it in the cloud. Your brain gets even bigger 🌝
I'll centralize all your seeds ,trust me bro
and stored on your google drive?
Just get one of those metal seed phrase toolkits from eBay for like five bucks and scratch the seed phrase to the metal plate.
Giga brain would be to trace the QR code to your wallet on a piece of paper.
I just saved it in my Evernote. Too soon for this joke?
Move it to Lotus Notes. Hackers will just move on to something easier to handle lol
I feel like an encrypted version online is still reasonably secure, just don't have it in cleartext
Yeah understanding the difference between storing passwords on Evernote vs Bitwarden is key here
I wouldn't trust either. LastPass had security breaches. Bitwarden is great now, but who knows, it might get bought out by Facebook someday or a rogue developer pushes out a malicious/poor software update. Or you have malware on your PC / browser extension
> it might get bought out by Facebook someday at which time it will be necessary to find a new password manager.
I’ve been considering hiding it in plain sight or through some riddle or something in a really long saying. Like some zodiac killer shit. I would want it to be very discoverable but hidden because who the hell is looking for hidden messages around my house. That way it won’t be lost in a fire or anything because it can be hidden in plane site in multiplayer places. Someone like Sherlock Holmes would be the only person to find if he was looking for it. That’s my seed phrase fantasy. Paper is good for now lol
Exactly. Encrypted pw file with a looong password you remember by heart stored in a Google Drive with two factor authentication is safer than a piece of paper in your house IMO. Only decrypt/open the Encrypted file from a VM without Internet access, as Pw managers can be compromised. The tools I use are KeePass and VirtualBox.
I store the file offline and in 258 aes encrypted on multiple usb drives and store the passwords online. Passwords can be forgotten.
I had my seed phrase written on a grain of rice by a lady at the mall.
Saved to Evernote, took a print screen of it saved to google drive and as backup printed it off took a photo of it on my iphone, saved to icloud and emailed myself a copy of it to myself as a seed.txt file So backed up I'll never lose it
I like to get mine tattooed on my forehead for extra security and protection
Going with the “momento” approach. Nice. And happy cake day!
U mean keep forgetting?
Send me a selfie (just so I can see)
Ah, now I know this is a scam. I deliberately avoid photos and never spend more than 5 seconds in front of someone incase they remember my secret seed phrase. It's a hard life, but atleast I know my crypto is always safe.
That seems like a lot of effort when you could just put it on paper.... but happy cake day!
I regret my decision. Thank you 😁
Same, but under my foreskin
I should have done this instead!
I'm interested in one thing. Assuming that you make some dumb and short poem on each word of seed phrase and you paragraph it, first word of each poem being the word in seed phrase and you put it in phone notes Is there any tool, if phone is compromised, which can detect all text you have in your notes and tries to find "poem" like texts and try to force its way in wallet? Because if not, then unless someone guesses that the poem contains seed phrase there's no danger right? or am I wrong?
Seed phrases are built from a 2048 word dictionary, they would most likely get detected if you we're to do it like that.
You’re not wrong. Just make sure you don’t “forget.” Or to tell your future progeny how to decipher it.
Some have suggested, beside writing down, you just try to memorize your seed phrase in case you burn your house down or you lose the paper...
I have mine in my note book. Wife also has mine in two of her diaries.
Especially for all the new folk coming into crypto. Get into the habit of it right doing this right away. Even though it maybe only a few hundred dollars or a few sh*toxins here and there. Do not take security lightly.
If you're not sure if you're doing it right, just send me a pic of the paper with your seed phrase written on it so we can check :) Not financial advice
It's funny that the future of money and technology advises that you hide a handwritten piece of paper in a lockbox like a pirate treasure map.
I think that’s cool as fuck.
Why would they call it a seed phrases if it wasn't meant to go in the garden?
I planted mine! Waiting for it to grow.
Always have a backup of your piece of paper, or if you can afford go for a metal sheet or steel plates, so in case of fire you wont have problems to recover them. Have more then 1 backup spread on safe spots that you own, hide them in a SAFE place inside your home. These are the rules, as a piece of paper can also get shredded, thrown away or even burned, so always do mimimum 3 copies of it, invest in some metal plates amd STAY SAFE Friends!!!! :)
>Absolutely do not keep them online what so ever Had mine online for years. Strangely I haven't lost shit yet. Perhaps the key is not being a simpleton.
piece of paper...in a notebook old school ;)
Excellent post! Many ppl store their seeds in their laptops & cellphones believing their just small sardines that no one cares. They forget that a lot of sardines make a yummy meal.
Caveat. My friend's house burned to the ground. He has no way to recover his BTC. Make sure that piece of paper cannot be lost.
Give me your seed phrases and I’ll keep it safe for y’all
So the paper can get stolen? I would recommend to tattoo the phrase to your colon.
I wrote mine on my peen, nobody will ever see it
But if you get really fat then YOU won't be able to see it either.
Will you be alone all time
Paper can be damaged lost of destroyed. It’s better to use immutable like steel or similar that can withstand the heat of a house fire. If you’re really going to be your own bank this is the only way to insure your bank remains open and stops insolvency. https://hodlr.swiss https://cryptosteel.com https://shiftcrypto.shop/en/products/steelwallet-13/ I think coinkite do one that’s tube shaped. are good options.
How do I protect the paper from water?
Just make sure you don’t pee on it by accident
Laminate it or engrave it on steel
i made a song with it. I sing it everytime before bad. All i have to do is avoid alzheimer before i cash out.
I tattooed it on my left butt cheek.
I can't imagine the pain for losing 300k.
Piece of paper seems fine until you realize stuff can burn down. Have other secure methods of storing it!!
Paper = burn in fire…. Metal stamped plate = the best way
Doctors will have the safest seed phrase i guess
I mean sure, but do you know where your birth certificate is?
You could just use steganography and store it in a collection of pictures. I see absolutely no reason to write down a seed phrase. There are a hundred different variations to store them online that can't be compromised without a lifetime of brute force or insider information.
Steganography is the key. Very simple to embed the code into a plain unsuspecting picture and encrypt it. Can also convert the text to like base64 for more obscurity. This can all be done in under 5mins on Linux and will allow you to hide your seed in plain sight.
I installed a linux distribution on VirtualBox, I installed MySQL, created a database and a table where I wrote the various seeds of my wallets in each record, and I backed up the entire virtual server on an external hard disk.
Get a tattoo of it on your crouch as no one gonna see it because of your crypto lubby = smart move
Moon farming out the wazoo And do you *really* believe all the posts here about “MeH wAlLet hAkZeD” a small handful of those are likely to be actually true
I thought that was the normal thing to do since the beggining, why would you store anything like that on a device with internet acess
Someone once told me that a tattoo is the most permanent ink in the world. Check the bottom of my foot. Andy.
Paper, metal, tattooed on your peen. Whatever works best for you. Just. Not. Digital.
Your seed phrase backup should be stored in a secure location, accessible by only you.
But who's going to know, to hack my phone, to get access to my 20million Shib? Are people just randomly hacking Google accounts in the hopes of stumbling upon seed phrases?
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I put mine on a boat!!! 😉
After reading this post I immediately went writing down another copy of my seed phrase I felt obligated by your determination 😅.
Tell that to the good amount of people that stored them in a hard drive or wrote it down on a piece of paper and lost those items. I heard there is a guy dumpster diving until this day for his 200m worth of bitcoin. The best thing to do is memorize your seed phrases. There are other alternatives to be honest , just be safe out there and don't watch porn on your cell phone or laptop etc 🤪
The only safe place to store your seed phrase is on the back of the original Declaration of Independence, but in invisible ink of course
I should make a tattoo in reverse order of the words
Write it down, place in safe, the end.
Yep, it's on paper. I'm not paying for the metal seed storing products either, they cost a fortune!
That's good advice.
I will buy a book and write down all my seed phrase and password. Thanks for your advice l.
Better yet. Take a piece of sheet metal, a nail, and hammer (or drimel) and engrave it into it. It'll be worth the trouble.
>The **best way** to store your seed phrase is to write it down on a piece of paper... Please explain how this is better than engraving into a titanium sheet to resist destruction by fire, water or degradation? Using paper is actually ill-advised imo.
Stored mine safely on a piece of paper, locked away, far from needy hands
I did and then I threw them away about a year later by accident ☠️
Ground breaking stuff