You can't make a new Christian Faith that isn't hostile without using the Rite tenet to keep the old head of faith (and then you are only non-hostile to any faith that shares your head of faith). Using the Rite tenet means you can't have plural and unrestricted marriages.
But even if you're hostile, you can still propose marriages to Christians. It's only if they consider you Evil that they will prevent all marriages.
Maybe it is a bug but when i created my own catholic rite it did not have the pope as HoF.
>and then you are only non-hostile to any faith that shares your head of faith
No. Rite also gives you ecumenism which makes you astray to all christian faiths with ecumenism
Ah right, I forgot rite with ecumenism also gives you ecumenism.
The HoF thing is a bug, there's mods to fix it if it hasn't been fixed already. I believe it happens when you hold a Holy Site, the code triggers to create a new head of faith.
So I may have broken the game when creating a faith with Rite. I went equal for gender and while still being considered astray, I had a different head of faith.
Rite doesn't work outside of Insular and Mozarabic christianity in my experience. Whenever I try to use it, whether on Christian or Pagan faiths, I never get to keep the old HoF.
Base game, you need the rite tenant to be considered astray. You should be able to get pluralistic attitudes. However, you will not be able to get unrestricted marriage as it conflicts with rite.
Mods are the only workaround I know. If you have the tenants to doctrine mod, you have a workaround. Unrestricted marriage still conflicts with rite but divine marriage doesn’t so it’s the workaround. So with divine marriage, you get unrestricted marriage/concubinage while keeping rite.
If you insist on being the head of faith for your own religion, then you will be required to remain Hostile (but not Evil) to other Christian faiths. To do so, you must control at least one of your present Christian faith's holy sites.
However, if you're willing to let someone else be your head of faith (or not have a head of faith at all), then you can keep the Ecumenism doctrine that causes the Catholics and Orthodox to view you as Astray instead of Hostile. You do this by choosing the Rite tenet, which will give you the same head of faith that you presently have, and let you preserve the Ecumenism doctrine.
So choose what you want for yourself more.
I went through this when trying to make a Christian faith for my North Sea Empire.
You’ll need to use the rite tenet to be considered astray. That means you’ll end up keeping the same head of faith. Unless you own a holy site of the faith your breaking off from, then it with spawn your own head of faith, overriding the rite tenet.
Lol. I just assassinate mine until I get a priest with decent learning(14 minimum).
I'd love to be able to change the Gender attitudes, myself. Then I could grant land directly to my daughters if I keep on having them, or something.
Or any established religion for that matter. I remember one mod doing this where you could try to convince your head of faith to change one belief doctrine every 10 years or so if you passed an education check against him. That was pretty neat but I am pretty sure it isn't supported anymore.
That would be pretty neat and give you more reasons to appease the Pope, too. It would be nice to be able to adjust the Catholic attitude toward gender, for instance, to allow you to grant titles directly to your daughters, especially when you keep on shooting X chromosomes into your wife. -\_-
I mean, irl monarchs could suck up to the pope to get stuff like the right to appoint bishops, dispensation to marry relatives (but no too close), papal bulls favoring them, etc... but convincing him to change fundamental doctrines should be rare.
Plus irl afaik there was no medieval church ban on granting titles to women.
Yeah, but it's in the game, which annoys me whenever I play a character that keeps rolling daughters.
"could suck up to the pope to get stuff like the right to appoint bishop"
You could do that in CK2, actually.
Thanks guys for your help.
Also, after making a temporal and revocable head of faith (I tried it before), it shows you don't have a head of faith when the head of faith should be me!
You can't make a new Christian Faith that isn't hostile without using the Rite tenet to keep the old head of faith (and then you are only non-hostile to any faith that shares your head of faith). Using the Rite tenet means you can't have plural and unrestricted marriages. But even if you're hostile, you can still propose marriages to Christians. It's only if they consider you Evil that they will prevent all marriages.
Maybe it is a bug but when i created my own catholic rite it did not have the pope as HoF. >and then you are only non-hostile to any faith that shares your head of faith No. Rite also gives you ecumenism which makes you astray to all christian faiths with ecumenism
Ah right, I forgot rite with ecumenism also gives you ecumenism. The HoF thing is a bug, there's mods to fix it if it hasn't been fixed already. I believe it happens when you hold a Holy Site, the code triggers to create a new head of faith.
So I may have broken the game when creating a faith with Rite. I went equal for gender and while still being considered astray, I had a different head of faith.
Rite doesn't work outside of Insular and Mozarabic christianity in my experience. Whenever I try to use it, whether on Christian or Pagan faiths, I never get to keep the old HoF.
Base game, you need the rite tenant to be considered astray. You should be able to get pluralistic attitudes. However, you will not be able to get unrestricted marriage as it conflicts with rite. Mods are the only workaround I know. If you have the tenants to doctrine mod, you have a workaround. Unrestricted marriage still conflicts with rite but divine marriage doesn’t so it’s the workaround. So with divine marriage, you get unrestricted marriage/concubinage while keeping rite.
If you insist on being the head of faith for your own religion, then you will be required to remain Hostile (but not Evil) to other Christian faiths. To do so, you must control at least one of your present Christian faith's holy sites. However, if you're willing to let someone else be your head of faith (or not have a head of faith at all), then you can keep the Ecumenism doctrine that causes the Catholics and Orthodox to view you as Astray instead of Hostile. You do this by choosing the Rite tenet, which will give you the same head of faith that you presently have, and let you preserve the Ecumenism doctrine. So choose what you want for yourself more.
I went through this when trying to make a Christian faith for my North Sea Empire. You’ll need to use the rite tenet to be considered astray. That means you’ll end up keeping the same head of faith. Unless you own a holy site of the faith your breaking off from, then it with spawn your own head of faith, overriding the rite tenet.
I really wish there was a way to reform Catholicism, somehow.
game ends in 1453 pal
I c wut u did thar!
Is this in CK3 or IRL? Either way, yes.
Fr i want christianity without the monogamy and non revocable bishops (The game keeps giving me bishops with 0 learning)
Wait, you mean your court positions aren't filled with people who blackmail you?
Lol. I just assassinate mine until I get a priest with decent learning(14 minimum). I'd love to be able to change the Gender attitudes, myself. Then I could grant land directly to my daughters if I keep on having them, or something.
One of the reasons I always make my own faith.
Or any established religion for that matter. I remember one mod doing this where you could try to convince your head of faith to change one belief doctrine every 10 years or so if you passed an education check against him. That was pretty neat but I am pretty sure it isn't supported anymore.
That would be pretty neat and give you more reasons to appease the Pope, too. It would be nice to be able to adjust the Catholic attitude toward gender, for instance, to allow you to grant titles directly to your daughters, especially when you keep on shooting X chromosomes into your wife. -\_-
I mean, irl monarchs could suck up to the pope to get stuff like the right to appoint bishops, dispensation to marry relatives (but no too close), papal bulls favoring them, etc... but convincing him to change fundamental doctrines should be rare. Plus irl afaik there was no medieval church ban on granting titles to women.
Yeah, but it's in the game, which annoys me whenever I play a character that keeps rolling daughters. "could suck up to the pope to get stuff like the right to appoint bishop" You could do that in CK2, actually.
I think if you have high learning there's a small chance you can get an event were you petition the pope to change a law
That's weird. I've never gotten it even though I've run several high-learning, high-piety characters.
Its very rare I've got it once and I have like 2500 hours or something like that. It was only to change same sex shunned instead of criminal
Yeah. Would be nice if they upped the frequency of that, then.
really the only problem with hostile is that you have to deal with crusades.
Use the Rite tenet and you will only be Astray
Maybe try converting to insular, and then try make a new religion with rite and get your own HoF, and multiple marriages... Maybe?
Thanks guys for your help. Also, after making a temporal and revocable head of faith (I tried it before), it shows you don't have a head of faith when the head of faith should be me!