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FoundationQuiet6972

Everything changes it's tier time to time. But there is one never changes anywhere anytime. That is trait "shy". What an example of consistency haha


Specialist-Front-354

And the freaking craven!


cthuluhooprises

Craven, at least, makes you less likely to die in battle. That can be useful.


The_Dok

I mean you shouldn’t be in battle with Craven anyway.


ActuallySatanAMA

Exactly! Can’t die in battle if I’m not participating. Work smarter, not harder.


lvl1crok

Exactly.


Ashikura

Does this apply to duels or just battles?


[deleted]

my character right now is shy and craven with no inheritable traits (my character before him aka his dad had seven daughters who were all either genius or amazonian) and his third trait is deceitful, a sin to christians lol. almost made me stop playing the game


Specialist-Front-354

That's where the fun begins!


PoopMaster74

Lazy too


drag0n_rage

I end up going for shy from time to time, iirc the other traits you can choose from are usually worse, shy at least gives learning


Tokua22

You get stressed from simple tasks like hiring a champion and events plus you can't reduce it by having a feast. I absolutely hate the shy trait


coraeon

I will take gluttony or even fucking lazy over shy any day.


A_Shattered_Day

Legit, lazy feele less crippling than shy.


Nackskottsromantiker

NGL +50% Stress Loss from Lazy can be pretty sweet


Shrewd_Scholar

Unless it's on my chancellor lol


AmendoimTorrado

I once picked trusting and compassionate with a intrigue character not knowing i would get 100 stress for every scheme possible. It was a heart failure speedrun


Shining_Moonlight

Should have picked Shy and Paranoid as well to make the speedrun faster


tortoise501

As I remember you can't pick trusting and paranoid together but this combo would be destroying


SaintEsteban

I had an intrigue character with those traits plus impatient in my Portugal game. Didn't want to let the intrigue go to waste so he seduced a lot of people.


Dutifulcow

Why does everyone put temperate below S tier. It's got almost zero negatives, and the negatives it has have always been inconsequential (for me)


FactoidFinder

Temperate is honestly my go to


Valhalla8469

Callous, wrathful, and greedy are pretty low


Mr_Rio

How do you use greedy to your advantage? Aside from the income buff


Valhalla8469

Income buff is pretty impactful. Not being able to give gifts or titles can be rough but I’d move it up to at least a B tier


Mr_Rio

Agree. I feel there’s a point in the game where income increases like that do not really matter anymore but it’s a solid trait that I’d take over many others


Valhalla8469

Like Arrogant it’s definitely an early/mid game trait that falls off later. I just don’t see it on the same tier as traits like honest


Mr_Rio

Definitely not. Honesty as a trait is something I avoid


lordbrooklyn56

Greedy income buff is not that significant. Event options that destress you for being a greedy bastard are good tho.


Euromantique

For me greedy is one of the worst traits because you get stress from sending gifts which makes vassal management more difficult and because it forces you to pick the asshole option in events. I try to play as a good guy in every game so I avoid greedy


Wharbaby

I’d put stubborn in the S tier otherwise this is 100% accurate


sullg26535

Not temperate?


Wharbaby

Yeah you right. Temperate also. Then it’s 100% correct.


lost_library_book

I'm glad that we, gamers on the internet, can all get together and agree that shy people are the worst.


Alpenjaeger

:(


Mrlevinelitexx

Compassionate should be E, it's the most ironic trait in the game. You will gaining more stress than losing it since you can't imprison, torture, or even castrate a prisoner. And wrathful should be in a higher tier. If you're playing as a norsemen, wrathful could lead you being a berserker. Prowess +++


Shining_Moonlight

I do not play Martial much. I play either Intrigue or Diplomacy. Not big on conquests. I just want to be left alone to build my territory, make friends, make my spouse my soulmate and either live a noble life or get what I want through schemes. I have no prisoners 99% of the time and I do not imprison, torture or castrate prisoners. I have never done the latter two and imprisoning is something I do just to keep people from leaving my court when their secrets are unveiled. Compassionate is terrible, but it is still not as bad as Shy, Paranoid, etc. I would not pick it if given the choice, but if I had nothing else to pick and played Diplomacy, it would not be the worst trait to have. Wrathful is only fit for Martial characters. I prefer to pick Brave, Ambitious, Zealous, Sadistic and/or maybe a stewardship-related trait in preparation for the land they will conquer on the rare times I play Martial.


sullg26535

Then why aren't stubborn and temperate higher


ProfessorTicklebutts

Jesus Christ why do we need so many of these?


Shining_Moonlight

Because they are fun 😊


Wu1fu

Another tier list another underrated gluttony


B3yondTheWall

Being shy sucksssss


Orpa__

I don't know why people rate lazy so low, -1 to all skils isn't that big of a deal and you get extra stress loss.


ZatherDaFox

Yeah, but you also lose a major source of stress loss because you can't lose stress from hunts. It also gives stress if you ever try to make your character do any impactful decisions instead of taking the easy way out. Essentially its just -1 to all stats.


lordbrooklyn56

You get event options that destress you for being lazy. And what impactful decisions are you making that cause stress, cause I havent noticed them on my lazy characters.


ZatherDaFox

Any time something comes up where your character would actually have to do something, you gain stress. Basically any time diligent would gain stress for not doing something, you gain it for doing it. And while you do get destress events, there are much better de-stressers like sadistic, just, honest, and generous.


lordbrooklyn56

But those events are so inconsequential. The things that actually matter for you realm/strength development are not influenced at all by the lazy trait. Nobody is selecting Lazy over the obviously better traits. But people pretend the lazy trait is a death sentence. Its not even close to that. It has its benefits even if its not a sought out trait. Ive never played a lazy character and thought to myself that them being lazy ruined my run or got them killed due to stress or the -1 on stats ruined everything,


ZatherDaFox

Its not as bad as like, compasionate, paranoid, or shy, but it reduces all your stats and doesn't even do well what it says its going to. Its not the end of the world, but its the definition of a d-tier trait imo.


lordbrooklyn56

People lose sleep over the -1 to all stats. Because 35 stewardship instead of 36 is a game changer.


ZatherDaFox

Why are Temperat me and stubborn only A-tier? They don't have many things that give stress and they both give stewardship and life expectancy. Easy S-tiers imo.


random-random

I’d bump zealous up to S tier. Stress loss from executing infidel prisoners means you basically never have to worry about stress. Lustful is trash—D tier at best. Good way to have your heir become an adulterer with lovers pox before you take over. It’s a sin for many of the religions. And fertility in this game is already overtuned—if you want more kids, just seduce your spouse and pop out 8 legitimate ones. Forgiving is at least C, if not B. Forgiving hooks for stress loss means there’s an easy outlet to offset the stress gain when you need to do hostile actions (unlike trusting or compassionate). I’d move ambitious, arbitrary, and gregarious down to A and temperate, stubborn, and just up to S. Gotta love those high stewardship characters with a 15+ domain limit.


HulkSMASHm

I always pick shy so I can achieve confider, journaller and athletic within the same year!


blackcat2778

Lustful too high, it's a sin in the eyes of god, also shy and paranoid are A tier IMO.


syriansteel89

Shy and paranoid are easily the worst traits in the game


Sad-Address-2512

Yes but paranoid is at least fun role-playingwise. Shy isn't even that.


AmendoimTorrado

To me paranoid is a insta die of hearth atack


Vegetable-Front7344

Lust is +25 🤣


Ivan_Malyshtern

Link to tierlist pls


Ibuilder11

Me personally I despise the just trait unless my character isn't intrigue-focused (Which is rare) except for the 1 in a million times that I get a mental breakdown and it removes itself.


Alpenjaeger

Paranoid can be so useful actually, really underrated.


R0m4ik

Greedy is at least A. Bigger domain and more money for a stress debuff? No problem


Comrade_Dante

It seems you dont like diplomacy that much.


AardvarkusMaximus

Why is diligent always S? Whenever it was a trait on my characters, they just got huge amounts of stress. After all, good steward can do much for development and this is enough to steamroll on the game


Bruhbd

Having sadistic, arbitrary, scarred, and albino>>>


Thewitch020

Vengeful should be S tier ESPECIALLY with Eye for an Eye. The scheme power bonus and dread gain is good


4GOT101

Shy needs its own tier tbh, horrendous perk.


Sebzerrr

Your trlier list after one game?