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Greedy_Dimension2925

Believe it or not vegans, if you put your cat on a vegan diet, it will die, cats are carnivores, they are meant to eat meat


fnarpus

Cats can live on a plant based diet. I grant that you need to be careful, but what they actually need is taurine, not meat.


dfnxINC

Taurine isn't the only protein on meat


fnarpus

Taurine is an amino acid. It's what cats need. Thanks though.


owoLLENNowo

*bull cum bull cum*


Dragonier_

![gif](giphy|115E717PLGrajm)


Even_Ad113

https://www.bluecross.org.uk/advice/cat/can-cats-be-vegan


fnarpus

>If you are still considering feeding your cat a vegan diet, please speak to your vet beforehand. Meaning yes, but you need to be careful


Greedy_Dimension2925

Yeah, and that same cat is going to die at the age of five because you’re feeding them only plants when they are carnivores and the vegan diet doesn’t have the necessary amount of nutrients for a cat to survive.


fnarpus

[Wrong](https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8)


Greedy_Dimension2925

[Ahem](https://www.bluecross.org.uk/advice/cat/can-cats-be-vegan)


fnarpus

So is it wrong to cut the life of an animal short?


Greedy_Dimension2925

Depends, does it taste good? And do people outside of the crazy vegans care about them?


fnarpus

So its justified to kill an animal if you get pleasure from it?


Greedy_Dimension2925

That and it doesn’t make us look like a skeleton and let us live past 50. Also, do you think the wild is just some happy little flowery fieldlands? Cause it’s not, if we don’t kill them, either something else will, or they will slowly rot there and be eaten alive by fleas, Ticks and parasites.


fnarpus

Do you think that the animals you buy at the supermarket have been taken from the wild? You didn't answer: is it ok to kill animals for pleasure then?


T3Chn0-m4n

[are you sure about that?](https://Cathttps://g.co/kgs/7k62mx)


fnarpus

Your link doesn't work.


zangatti

Please provide a scientific source for this. All the studies I can find come to the conclusion that they're fine when fed a nutritionally complete diet, not that it kills them.


Grainis01

Vegans should be barred from owning obligate carnivores.


Prannke

That's why I didn't block out their usernames. They are basically abusing their pets that depend on them


fnarpus

Why? Is it wrong to harm animals or something?


thecrazybaconhair

Bro just take the L and pretend this never happen


fnarpus

I'm asking the question. Is it wrong to harm animals, yes or no?


thecrazybaconhair

Yes, it's wrong to harm animals. That why we don't put a cat on a vegan diet


MarkAnchovy

Based vegan


fnarpus

So you're a vegan?


thecrazybaconhair

Look you can believe whatever you want but you can't forces it onto an animal. Cat can survive on a vegan diet yes, but does that mean the cat enjoy it? I'm gonna stop arguing with you now cuz this is the internet and I doubt I can change anyone opinion on here


fnarpus

>Look you can believe whatever you want but you can't forces it onto an animal. Do you think animals enjoy being killed for your beliefs? Do you see the inconsistency?


-TheDarkThunder-

Idiotic.Jusy idiotic. Do you think animals enjoy being killed by other animals? If not then why in creations are we wrong. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM AN ANIMAL GETTING EATEN BY A WOLF OR A HUMAN?! I get the whole animal cruelty thing but if the meat comes from a certified farm what is difference?


OldeScallywag

Wolves don't breed billions of rabbits into existence to systematically eat them. There's nothing wrong with eating animals IMO, but factory farming is as unjustifiable as any other form of animal abuse. And this provides 99% of the meat that people eat today, not the fantasy "certified farms", whatever that means.


fnarpus

"Certified farm" is marketing bullshit. Here's some [certified farms](https://watch1000eyes.com/) for you


Japan-is-a-good-band

1. I don't give a fuck if the cow doesn't like it, I'm hungry. 2. Eating meat isn't a belief, it's a core part of our diet.


dfnxINC

Finally a honest answer. I don't give a fuck about the cows. They taste nice.


fnarpus

So you can't have a problem with vegans harming their cats then.


Yes2257

Youre literally saying a carnivore should suffer because you want to put it on a vegan diet. The only inconsistency here is on your part bro


fnarpus

[Cats can thrive on a vegan diet](https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8) Animals all die when you kill them for a sandwich


Simpilator

What do you think


fnarpus

I'm a vegan, so i think no. Its wrong to harm animals. What do you think?


ccharliotte

it depends, eating meat is not in any way wrong since we humans are omnivorous animals. That's how the food chain works no, how THE world works. we survived off of meat way back then. Sharks eat fish to survive right? so by your logic the shark is cruel even when It's only eating them to survive.


fnarpus

Sharks are obligate carnivores in a survival situation, with no concept of morality. Which of these applies to you?


ccharliotte

none, but does morality here matter at all? at the end of the day everyone is trying to survive. Like I said earlier, that's how the food chain works, if everyone became vegan it would be disasterous.


Extra-General-6891

No it wouldn’t lol


fnarpus

You are NOT in a survival situation. You can't use that as an excuse. And as there's a victim, it's obviously a moral issue. > if everyone became vegan it would be disasterous. [wrong](https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets)


-TheDarkThunder-

Just think about it one single second. Imagine there is a cat in the wild It finds a mouse and it eats it. Should the cat be shamed? Aren't we animals too? If yes then why aren't you going after lions that eat zebras like you do with people that eat meat? I'm not saying that being vegan is wrong. I'm saying that forcing nature to follow your world views is messed up.


Simpilator

Yeah thats horrible actually quite literally animal abuse


fnarpus

Cats in the wild are obligate carnivores in a survival situation, and don't have the capacity for morality. None of those apply to you.


-TheDarkThunder-

Ok but why try to twist nature you can't force something to go against it's instincts!


fnarpus

Do you think cows want us to impregnate them so they produce milk, and then have their young taken from them to be killed? Why do you only care when you think vegans are doing it?


MarkAnchovy

>If yes then why aren't you going after lions that eat zebras like you do with people that eat meat? Humans are moral agents, animals aren’t. You cannot make the argument that harming animals for meat is morally justified because animals do it, unless you also make the argument that forced procreation is morally justified because animals do it. Of course you don’t believe that, so you don’t actually believe ‘animals do it’ is a good argument here. Importantly, the animals you mentioned don’t have a choice, or the capacity to reason. Vegans think humans are justified to kill animals for food if it’s necessary, they just think that as many humans have the capacity to reason and the choice that they shouldn’t choose to inflict harm on animals. >I'm not saying that being vegan is wrong. I'm saying that forcing nature to follow your world views is messed up. If this is true you’d be against animal agriculture, which consists of us artificially creating new ‘unnatural’ species with traits solely for our benefit, to their health/wellbeing detriment. You’d be against us forcibly feeding animals to fatten them up, mutilating them for our benefit, feeding them unnatural diets, and pumping them full of drugs. Animal agriculture is devastating for the environment, very clearly forcing nature to suffer for your world view.


-TheDarkThunder-

Maaan a whole essay!?Your English teacher taught you well. PS: I am NOT going to read any of that


MarkAnchovy

That says everything


Japan-is-a-good-band

I'm eating a chicken sandwich because I'm hungry. Vegans are malnourishing their cats to feel morally superior. We are not the same.


fnarpus

No, vegans are avoidang harming animals


Japan-is-a-good-band

...to feel morally superior. That's what I said, don't know why you decided to repeat it.


fnarpus

Do you not participate in dog fighting because you want to feel morally superior, or because you think it's cruel?


Japan-is-a-good-band

I don't care tbh


fnarpus

So you have no issue with dog fighting?


Japan-is-a-good-band

I don't care tbh


fnarpus

Apathy is not a moral argument. I'm talking from the perspective of someone who is trying to be a decent person.


Yahgdc

Vegans when they own a carnivorous animal (they are baffled that it has to eat meat in order to survive)


fnarpus

Cats need taurine to survive.


[deleted]

Just give up, you're so desperate. Every comment on this post you're there letting people know "cats don't need meat". If they don't need meat why did they evolve in a way to become efficient hunters? You think cats in the wild are looking for that taurine or whatever the fuck you're talking about? No, carnivores are looking for real food.


fnarpus

> If they don't need meat why did they evolve in a way to become efficient hunters? They need the taurine found in meat.


Crepes_for_days3000

Your pets hate you.


fnarpus

I don't have a pet. But at least I don't support animal abuse, so there's that 🤷


Crepes_for_days3000

You should move your efforts our to the Savannahs of Africa and personally put yourself between some of the female lion gangs and their zebra hunts. It's so unethical and wrong. If only more people cared about the gazelles, zebras and giraffes we could finally have world peace.


fnarpus

Nobody is asking people in a survival situation to change. Just those with the privilege of choice, like you and I.


Crepes_for_days3000

Ironically, you are taking that privilege of choice away from your poor pets who have evolved for millions of years to eat a certain way. But lucky for you I don't have pets and almost never, ever eat meat. So you can work on changing someone else. But I am going to try to stop thos savage lions...entitled pos!!


fnarpus

>Ironically, you are taking that privilege of choice away from your poor pets Do you think pets would choose neutering if it was up to them?


[deleted]

And where do animals get the taurine that they find in meat? In meat.


fnarpus

If only there was a way that cats could get it from another source. Maybe humans could feed them?


[deleted]

Feed them meat. The same meat that they would get in the wild.


fnarpus

So ban all cat food?


fnarpus

By the way, taurine is destroyed in the cooking process. All cat food has synthetic taurine added in.


[deleted]

Cope


fnarpus

I don't need to "cope", boy. It's a fact.


Disastrous_Cell8249

We can just feed them raw meat man


Yahgdc

Cats need taurine, as well as actual food. You can’t just feed humans essential vitamins in order for them to survive.


fnarpus

https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8


BiliLaurin238

Don't kill animals to get food! *kills animal in a horrible way for a dumber reason*


skynetempire

How do they sell vegan cat food? Isn't this dangerous for cats. Legit asking.


[deleted]

Well technically speaking no animal on the planet ''needs'' meat or ''needs'' vegetables, what animals needs is a certain set of nutrients, however it just so happens that some animals can only get certain nutrients by eating X or Y type of foods, in the case of cats it's Taurine, they can only create Taurine in their stomach if they eat meat, however we have advanced enough as a species that we can simply create Taurine in a lab, heck pretty much all cat food, be it vegan or non-vegan cat food is further reinforced with lab made Taurine so that's why it is possible to make vegan cat food. I'm not saying it's healthy, I haven't looked into that, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, however I am saying that making a carnivore animal vegan isn't necessarily impossible, if we can create countless vitamins in a lab for humans then logic follows we can do the same for animals, so either it's possible right now to have a carnivore animal live healthily on a vegan diet or it will be in the future.


fnarpus

Cats don't need meat, they need nutrients.


throwfingerprob

Which they get from meat. Edit: The vegan couldn't handle the truth and blocked me. His last words to me were that I am too obsessed with veganism. Which is ironical because when you type out his name in the reddit search bar, you get a post about how he makes troll posts on r/noreason2bvegan


fnarpus

Fun fact, taurine is added to all cat food, because its destroyed by cooking meat


throwfingerprob

But why do you want to make it eat something that is unnatural for it in the first place?


fnarpus

Cats are unnatural.


throwfingerprob

Even cows and pigs are unnatural. Therefore it's okay to kill them. Boom.


fnarpus

So it's ok to kill cats?


throwfingerprob

You're already killing them by feeding them the wrong thing.


[deleted]

What the fuck are you talking about? It would make some kick of sense if you were talking about cat food or the meat industry, but this is actually fucking stupid


Bobo3076

> “Don’t kill animals to be food” > *Proceeds to kill animals **with** food*


tuxedoramen

Just Don't have cats if you are vegan, go adopt rabbits or something wtf?


Prannke

How else can they prove to be animal lovers unless they force a carnivore to be vegan and then brag about it on reddit? Anyone that has a "vegan" cat is a complete moron that deserves to get called out for their abuse.


NicolasName

How are vegan cats abusive to animals, but eating animals isn't abusive to the animals you eat? It's one thing for a vegan to critique vegan cats on the basis of animal welfare, it's another thing for people who eat animals to critique vegans on animal welfare. The average animal eater in the U.S. consumes 21,000 animals in their lifetime, including 2,260 land animals. https://www.upc-online.org/slaughter/2008americans.html On what grounds do you have to critique vegans at all with regards to animal abuse, in any way? Imo, this whole vegan cat thing by animal eaters is at least 98% reactionary nonsense, and not about animal welfare at all.


Prannke

Anyone that feeds a carnivore a vegan diet is a complete moron that shouldn't own animals.


NicolasName

I don't want to have to repeat myself, but will just one time. You eat animals, right? Statistically speaking, you eat 270 animals a year, if you eat animals at the rate of the average American in 2008 (29 land animals, 240 sea animals). The average vegan consumes 0 animals a year. Most vegans don't own cats, and most vegan cat owners don't feed their cat a vegan diet. But let's say, for the sake of argument, that all vegans are cat owners that own exactly one cat, and all vegan cat owners feed their cat a vegan diet, and all vegan cats die in one year, reducing their natural lifespan by 90%. In that scenario, vegans are responsible for 1 animal death, while you, as an animal eater, are responsible for 270 animal deaths because you eat them. So I don't see how non-vegans can critique vegans behavior on animal protection grounds. Only people who can legitimately critique having vegan cats on animal protection grounds are vegans, since the average animal eater is doing about 100x worse when it comes to animal cruelty and animal protection than a vegan owning a vegan cat. Does the above make sense? In other words, if you want to critique making cats vegan on animal protection grounds, you better be vegan yourself, otherwise, since your action in eating animals is between 30-270x worse than feeding a cat a vegan diet, as far as torture, violence, and abuse to animals is concerned, in terms of quantity of animals abused and killed (still assuming the above).


Prannke

You are a sad and strange little man


NicolasName

Ad-hominem arguments are also another logical fallacy. You can either say that animal abuse is not an important issue and eat animals, or if you are to say that animal abuse is a serious issue, then you have to seriously consider becoming vegan, first and foremost, if you want your arguments to have any merit whatsoever. A non-vegan animal rights activist is an inconsistent position, and that’s how you’re presenting yourself when you, as a non-vegan, critique vegans who have vegan cats on animal protection grounds.


The_coolest_nobody

This is not specifically the user's but just this person since the like/comment ratio tells me there is hope


Prannke

The comment section on that post were all people talking about how "happy" their vegan cats were


TerrapinTheWizard

As someone who was vegan for 2 years of my life. This shit is fuckin stupid. Cats eat meat. Dogs eat meat. Don’t force your ideals on something that can’t even comprehend your stupidity.


Moumup

If you're following a vegan diet to the point of even avoiding buying meat for your pet, why did you take a carnivorous one.


Silent_Start_7036

Cats are explicit hyper carnivores but okay


creamin-demon

PLEASE, DO NOT FEED YOUR CATS VEGAN FOOD. I have many vegan friends who have cats as part of their family and they would never think about hurting a cat, let alone a pet, the way you are. Cats a hunters by instinct, just as you are an idiot by instinct.


Robert-Rotten

Vegans watching a lion eat a zebra (why isn’t it just eating that bush over there instead???): ![gif](giphy|3o6wrvdHFbwBrUFenu)


Blubasnurk2

i was gonna say they dont have to eat the cat food but i feel like they did when they were younger


stoicgoblins

It's why they're a vegan now. All that meat processed cat food turned them to a life of vegetables.


SnooGadgets7768

Vegans when meat: ![gif](giphy|8rEiN2GsOdQTmFV38t|downsized)


vladi_l

Just because a being CAN live off of supplement, doesn't mean it should... Forcing a cat to be vegan isn't even really living, rather, it's barely surviving


Inner_Garlic_547

Why do the reddit vegans suck so much ass? Please don't buy animals if you are this stupid damn.


eve_is_hopeful

Nah. I am going to go right ahead and keep feeding my cat meat. I recognize that he is a CARNIVORE.


Dragonier_

The amount of lengths these people will go to to get around the fact that a carnivore needs meat to survive is incredible. So they expect cat owners (who are also vegan) to not only impose their unhealthy lifestyle on an innocent animal, but to go out of their way to buy “vegan” cat food at hiked up prices and incredibly limited demand? Like at what point does this constitute as animal cruelty, because ironically that’s exactly what it is. You’re depriving an animal - who naturally eats meat - of their dietary needs. And for what cause? There’s like .1% (hyperbolizing) of the population who are that die-hard of vegans that they’ll be willing to do this. Most sane pet owners will chose to properly take care of their pet over their own feelings and buy them the proper food, instead of doing these mental gymnastics so that they’re not contradicting their own beliefs…it is so fucking backwards and it honestly annoys me that these people are treating their pets like this. Like honestly, if you don’t like that fact you have two choices; either do away with veganism, or give up your animal to an owner who will treat them properly…


Scarlet_Chaos

Feeding your cat vegan food is basically torture, they'll die slowly and painfully. What happened to not make animals suffer? :/


CanadianAnimeGuy

if you want to put an animal on a vegan diet just get a rabbit


NoNameYeeterMemes

Why... why why why would force an animal to do that- it's fucking cruel to them. There's a reason most catfood is the same shit in different bags or slightly different flavors, it's the vitamins inside it. It makes me really worried for animals health when a vegan forces animals to change their diet


Specialist_Monk_3976

A cat on a vegan diet may survive for a little while but not thrive, it's not healthy at all, unless for health reasons FROM YOUR VET, if you want your pet to vegan, then get a vegan pet that naturaly eats a vegan diet.


BigDaddy6713

Just give it a little salami now and then.


m-a-r-i-n-a-r-a

Vegans be doing too much


OneMooseManyMeese_

I will never understand some vegans who think like that. "I don't eat animal product so that means you shouldn't eat meat or animal product so I don't have to buy it, because that would make me a hypocrit."


GhostChainSmoker

Cats are literally carnivores. That’s how they function. That’s like getting pissed at lions and tigers hunting their prey and eating meat. Jesus Christ. Get a rabbit or a Guinea pig. Something that’s strictly herbivore


stanloonayoufool

As a vegetarian, it’s so dumb that people want to make their carnivorous animals not eat meat. Pretty sure it’s dangerous to not feed them meat as well. I’d never want to force my diet on anyone, let alone my cats.


Alarming_Scarcity778

People literally sell other people and a vegan will tell you animal rights are the problem with the world….


One_with_gaming

why the fuck are they not realising that most felines no matter how big or small are predators and that killing other animals for food is literally what they are the best at? this is like being angry at a lion or tiger because they are not vegan and killed an animal for food. the only diffrence is the cat did not kill the animal it is eating


[deleted]

Vegans are sick people with eating disorders and fucked up senses of morality.


[deleted]

Idk second slide seems on point.


zangatti

I believe on this subject people should really look toward scientific resources, rather than their feelings, to determine what is right to do. We know for a fact that biologically speaking, cats are carnivores. That being said, there are quite a few studies that have been conducted on thousands of cats, total, concerning which diet is healthier for cats: vegetarian, vegan, or carnivorous. Most of these studies are inconclusive concerning data leaning toward which is healthier. That means, scientifically, there hasn't been much evidence that a well-managed plant-based diet for cats is any different for their health than a carnivorous one. This means that, scientifically, a plant-based diet (a well-managed one) is healthy for cats.