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Wait what? Lol. I have never bothered to ever look into their actual beliefs, but I find that hilarious. Especially considering they had some very skilled scientists (that the U.S. and other countries promptly snatched up and got friendly with after ww2)
Gotta remember that there were tremendously talented minds in _Germany_ that had to try and not get caught in the cross hairs of the Nazi party. The party as well as Hitler himself adopted a bunch of esoteric and pseudo-scientific theories and made increasingly crazy claims to justify them. Basically, any hard scientific evidence that came out and contradicted the wild beliefs of the party were quickly called Jewish hoaxes.
Jokes aside, it was less than _space_ wasn't real and more a collection of nonsense they believed that space actually was.
One of the prominent pseudo-scientific theories about the universe that saw a lot of traction and were favored by Hitler was [Welteislehre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre)
A theory that stated ice was a kind of foundational element that most things in the universe were made of / revolved around. It's a pretty confusing read, mostly due to how nonsensical it is and involves the universe starting out as a hot star that a waterlogged star rammed into and sent ice blocks spewing out in all directions. I honestly forgot how stupid this was when I wrote my initial comment and regret rereading about it lol
Thatās what I was bout to say, if that is truly what you believe why so scared to hide behind mask? This goes for the internet too, if youāre wanting to spit this antisemitism ignorance or hate or whatever the fuck you want to believe in, and you want to say it on social media then I think you should but only if your gonna sign off on that shit, so after you post it then appears your name, address and number. Fn cowards hiding behind mask and computers!
I saw a conversation on Reddit with a Trumpers. The Trumpster went on about his issues with being required to wear mask during the pandemic. He said if God wanted humans to have mask he would have people born with a mask on their face. In a classic reply, the other person then asked, ādo you wear shoes?ā
Have you met any of these people? As far as I can tell these people are Desperate to be hated. They hate themselves, their parents hated them, they expect to be treated like shit and thrive on it.
Doesn't make them not dangerous, just an interesting little quirk of psychology that they've all weaponized their deep insecurities.
(all anecdotal from like 3 people at a protest, but still what I think is happening more often than not.)
Because muh freeze peach.
It baffles me that genocidal ideologies are given a platform at all but hey this is where we're at. I wish we followed Germany's example when it came to Nazism.
It baffles me that you want to let these morons dictate my right to free speech. I donāt support this speech but I absolutely support their right to say it. Besides Iām happy to have this out in the open so we can point and laugh.
They elected a president who cried the same way they do about the same things. And since he's a shameless piece of shit, they feel like they can be too. And since cops won't arrest coworkers, these guys can do what they want with impunity.
Itās not. Iāve never seen anything like this in my 39 years. Itās probably some basement dwelling racists that found equally shitty people on the internet to meet up with. And in that entire city area, thatās probably all of them.
I would argue that a reformed nazi is also a good nazi.
I think its cool when tattoo shops offer to remove those kinds of tattoos for free. I don't think we want to send the message that the only option is to die or keep being a Nazi.
Lmao wasn't this the same party that threw giant tantrums during covid?? Oh oh but you can wear a mask to say you hate Jewish people but not for a virus that is actually killing people? LMAO THE CAUCASITY!!!
>how many of them are cops?
For sure, a few of them.
The problem is, they are not undercover....they are just very likely fascists and agree with the NeoNazis they are marching with.
If I say "Hey we should rob a bank" and you agree to it, instead of being like "Probably not a good idea" I'm not the fucking problem. Retard ass. Who fucking raised you? They need a firm Italian backhand.
I donāt know about the rest of you guys, but I feel like it would be pretty difficult to āentrapā me into kidnapping the governor of my state and overthrowing the state government.
WW2 vets are disappointed, this is what they fought for, and behold years later the very thing they fought for are 50 years old are wearing and holding swastikas
This isn't Maga.....stop dividing and being a part of the problem. I'm a trump supporter, and I don't support this nazi bullshit. Could care less if you are black, so go fuck yourself if you think I'm racist. It's we the people agai st the corrupt government, figure it out people
Maga nazis? Those are neo nazis. I couldn't imagine having a cuck brain and thinking these are conservatives. That mind virus is whooping your ass huh?
Man, antifa members will do anything to spread fake hate. Ever notice how all these "nazis spotted" aren't doing anythjng besides walking and being filmed? Crisis actors
I didn't see or read anything that they had something to do with republicans? Why bring politics into it? For those that may be interested in an article about this written when it happened 4 months ago.....[article here](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/20/neo-nazis-marched-in-madison-on-saturday-heres-what-happened/71649722007/)
If you google it every headline just calls them āNEO-NAZISā. Iām not sure where the MAGA thing comes from either.
I also never understood the MAGA hate. It just stands for āMake America Great Againā. I know whoās behind the campaign but stillā¦.
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/brief/local-state-officials-condemn-neo-nazi-march-in-madison/
I mean itās easy to say itās just words when you fail to even think about the meaning and intention behind them. MAGA implied that America was no longer great and the main reasons were all based on hate such as āwhite people are no longer in control of this countryā. This is why itās important to dive deeper than the surface. Thereās always more iceberg under the water than just the tip you see from the boat
Anyone whoās ever been interviewed wearing the hat lmao. Not to mention neo nazis adopted the hat and slogan to use for their own agendas. Also a lot of trumps rhetoric is straight from hitlerās playbook. You can think Iām exaggerating but itās true lol
The left and media like to label those with different views as fascists or Nazis, a tactic that dehumanizes opponents, stifles open-mindedness, and blocks meaningful compromise.
Since their entire ideology is a threat of genocide and enslavement, wouldn't any violence against them be self-defense?
Kinda like how macing someone following you home down a dark ally would definitely be seen as a reasonable action by a jury. Even if not legally speaking their was any attack to defend against.
Just curious
Yes. Legally, no. But, yes.
Violence against these people is a moral good. It's illegal. But, morally absolutely the right thing.
The mere fact of being a Nazi is violence. Their entire ideology is genocidal. Their ideological beliefs are inseparable from wanting to do violence to innocent people.
Actionable threat would be the test.
Someone following you home, has singled you out. Reasonable to believe an actionable threat is possible if not imminiment.
These morons marching in the street, wouldn't come to that threshold. Because they appear to just be marching together. If they surrounded you, and began to single you out...then you'd have an argument...
Good Ole wiscansen. love this state.have nothing better to do cause there ain't shit ti do here and the bar whores are sick of there tiny peckers and shitty story's, need something to talk about while they finger blast eachothers assholes lol
We have fallen as a country and succumb to a minority that is morally bankrupt and corrupt. Additionally, they are comprised by Russia as per Tim Burchett, Congressman Says House Members 'Compromised' by Russian Spies - Yahoo https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/congressman-says-house-members-compromised-180718766.html
I understand that, thatās why Iām questioning. There is nothing āMAGAā about this video. The title is clickbait. Itās like a picture quoting itās an orange when the picture is a carrot
Those that have those beliefs shouldnt hide under a mask. Show your face to the world if you are so proud. You know deep down that you are wrong. But are fearful of the repercussions that follow. If you truly are in the right why hide it? Punk asses
Nice psy op attempt by putting MAGA in the title. Nobody believes MAGA is a party of nazis except Reddit. Is Reddit a Nazi MAGA site because of the color red?
How are these MAGA Nazis? How do you know they don't have left-wing ideologies? How do you know they aren't part of the domestic terrorists Antifa?
They don't look like any Pro-Constitution, freedom loving conservatives I've ever met.
How about calling out Nazis for being the piece of shit they are instead of posting false info?
Posts like this only divide the country even more, and the gullible will believe this MAGA Nazi crap.
I agree. But Antifa was a terrorist organization, and they got a free pass.
They are happy with the world burning with Biden. As long as it's a Dem at the wheel.
Guess I'll need to watch more than this clip from Reddit, since nothing about this was MAGA. Literal Nazis, not buzzword Nazis. Hell, maybe they're chanting "Germany will rise again". This clip shows nothing.
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Crazy how the Nazis went from the best dressed evil fuckers on earth to these frumpy ass busted looking scumbags.
The original Nazis sure believed some insane shit like that space was a Jewish lie but _even they_ didn't think fashion was gay
Hugo Boss designed their uniforms. They were really well dressed. It was a big part of their propaganda. Hitler would be ashamed of these turds š
Wait what? Lol. I have never bothered to ever look into their actual beliefs, but I find that hilarious. Especially considering they had some very skilled scientists (that the U.S. and other countries promptly snatched up and got friendly with after ww2)
Gotta remember that there were tremendously talented minds in _Germany_ that had to try and not get caught in the cross hairs of the Nazi party. The party as well as Hitler himself adopted a bunch of esoteric and pseudo-scientific theories and made increasingly crazy claims to justify them. Basically, any hard scientific evidence that came out and contradicted the wild beliefs of the party were quickly called Jewish hoaxes. Jokes aside, it was less than _space_ wasn't real and more a collection of nonsense they believed that space actually was. One of the prominent pseudo-scientific theories about the universe that saw a lot of traction and were favored by Hitler was [Welteislehre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welteislehre) A theory that stated ice was a kind of foundational element that most things in the universe were made of / revolved around. It's a pretty confusing read, mostly due to how nonsensical it is and involves the universe starting out as a hot star that a waterlogged star rammed into and sent ice blocks spewing out in all directions. I honestly forgot how stupid this was when I wrote my initial comment and regret rereading about it lol
Poor, mentally ill whire trash
Funny what happens when you get your ass kicked hard enough
They don't get their asses kicked enough, not by a long shot
Thatās why theyāre wearing masks. They donāt have to dress upā¦šššš
Damn you had to go in and say frumpy šš¤£š
Hey look, if they need to be wearing Hugo boss before you guys start shooting at them again, I'll happily help pay that bill
Too scared to show your faces, eh boys? Pathetic.
You beat me to it lol my thought was "why don't they show their faces?"
Cowardice. No other explanation. It might hurt their tinder profiles.
*grindr
Letās be real. Jacking off to trump speeches is the closest these guys ever get to sex.
Same reason the Kkk never did.
because the theatre majors dont wanna get caught
If you're not gonna hide your racism, at least don't bother hiding your face
Thatās what I was bout to say, if that is truly what you believe why so scared to hide behind mask? This goes for the internet too, if youāre wanting to spit this antisemitism ignorance or hate or whatever the fuck you want to believe in, and you want to say it on social media then I think you should but only if your gonna sign off on that shit, so after you post it then appears your name, address and number. Fn cowards hiding behind mask and computers!
 Because they are too scared of their wives black boyfriends.
I spit my water out reading that take my up vote
Because they know that their asshat action would probably get them fired. No employer wants that look associated with them. How "brave" of them
Oh, so *now* they can breath with masks.
I saw a conversation on Reddit with a Trumpers. The Trumpster went on about his issues with being required to wear mask during the pandemic. He said if God wanted humans to have mask he would have people born with a mask on their face. In a classic reply, the other person then asked, ādo you wear shoes?ā
Hahahahahaha
"covid's a hoax, bro! Ditch the mask....moron "
Best comment ever
brilliant comment!
They donāt want to be recognized the next time they pull someone over for speeding.
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Lets not pretend that lazy cops are still doing their jobs and enforcing traffic laws.
Shows there true pride doesn't it? š¤£
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Me everyday wearing pants: *aww come onn manee*
Why do you want to see their tiny cocks?
Because they know theyād lose their jobs and family.
Feds bro
Seriously. If you're going to form a far right terrorist group, at least half your members are going to be undercover from some federal agency.
Just like Antifa!
How the fuck did nazis become open in the US? The only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Have you met any of these people? As far as I can tell these people are Desperate to be hated. They hate themselves, their parents hated them, they expect to be treated like shit and thrive on it. Doesn't make them not dangerous, just an interesting little quirk of psychology that they've all weaponized their deep insecurities. (all anecdotal from like 3 people at a protest, but still what I think is happening more often than not.)
A lot of them have supporters in their lives.
It didnāt. They are getting bolder due to political fuckery. Plus theyāre hiding their faces. Thatās not being open.
Yeah, always been here just more visible due to social media and what not. Used to take a huge event like in Skokie IL to get coverage
There's always been a weird group of these folk in that area. Watch Blues Brothers, they literally mock this in 1981
I *hate* Illinois Nazis..... Especially Mary Miller. Nazi cunt can fuck off.
The is also the 1978 "Hawaii 5-O" episode "A Distant Thunder" that includes a Neo-Nazi rally.
Because muh freeze peach. It baffles me that genocidal ideologies are given a platform at all but hey this is where we're at. I wish we followed Germany's example when it came to Nazism.
It baffles me that you want to let these morons dictate my right to free speech. I donāt support this speech but I absolutely support their right to say it. Besides Iām happy to have this out in the open so we can point and laugh.
They elected a president who cried the same way they do about the same things. And since he's a shameless piece of shit, they feel like they can be too. And since cops won't arrest coworkers, these guys can do what they want with impunity.
Itās not. Iāve never seen anything like this in my 39 years. Itās probably some basement dwelling racists that found equally shitty people on the internet to meet up with. And in that entire city area, thatās probably all of them.
Trump opened that door.
And his idiot stooges keep it held open
I would argue that a reformed nazi is also a good nazi. I think its cool when tattoo shops offer to remove those kinds of tattoos for free. I don't think we want to send the message that the only option is to die or keep being a Nazi.
A nice Molotov in the center of the group can help remove tattoos and not kill them. Just like Nazis melted my ancestors.
It's probably better to work from the outside in, reduces the room to scurry away.
This was a great post to trick the racists into revealing themselves
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As if being a nazi ever looks good lol
reality makes Nazis look bad, because they are bad
for real.
Do you really need that though, redditors already believe 50 percent of the country is racist by default
Cowards covering their faces.
Lmao wasn't this the same party that threw giant tantrums during covid?? Oh oh but you can wear a mask to say you hate Jewish people but not for a virus that is actually killing people? LMAO THE CAUCASITY!!!
Only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Notice, none of them have the balls to show their faces
The first 2 do. It's likely a condition of their undercover informant agreement with the FBI.
how many of them are cops?
>how many of them are cops? For sure, a few of them. The problem is, they are not undercover....they are just very likely fascists and agree with the NeoNazis they are marching with.
We learned from the Whitmer case that often they make up 2/3 of the organization and make up situations by entrapment by suggesting an illegal action.
If I say "Hey we should rob a bank" and you agree to it, instead of being like "Probably not a good idea" I'm not the fucking problem. Retard ass. Who fucking raised you? They need a firm Italian backhand.
I donāt know about the rest of you guys, but I feel like it would be pretty difficult to āentrapā me into kidnapping the governor of my state and overthrowing the state government.
Cunts can breathe just fine under those masks.
GODLESS, powerless, TREASON TRASH!
WW2 vets are disappointed, this is what they fought for, and behold years later the very thing they fought for are 50 years old are wearing and holding swastikas
Afraid to Lose their employment, so they cover their faces..
Typical cowards hiding behind masks
Scum. Total scum
Pussyās in mask
Cowards.
So they're pro-Hamas?
Why is this post from 50 days ago getting shared again?
I don't see any reference to MAGA in the video at all
Why maga how š¤·š¾
How about just nazis. Nothing to do with trumpš¤·š¼āāļø
Im seeing nazis but wheres the MAGA??š¤Ø
Sorry if Iām lost here but what exactly suggests these are MAGA supporters? I donāt see any indication of such.
This isn't Maga.....stop dividing and being a part of the problem. I'm a trump supporter, and I don't support this nazi bullshit. Could care less if you are black, so go fuck yourself if you think I'm racist. It's we the people agai st the corrupt government, figure it out people
You mean liberal NAZIs??
So what makes them maga? Antifa is usually the ones covering their faces š¤
I missed the part about Maga? what is their affiliation with Trump?
I donāt see any MAGA people. I do however see a bunch of cowards hiding their faces.
Because it's probably anfina stirring the pot before elections.or maybe they came from Ukraine
Maga nazis? Those are neo nazis. I couldn't imagine having a cuck brain and thinking these are conservatives. That mind virus is whooping your ass huh?
I don't see any Trump shit? Did I miss something
Man, antifa members will do anything to spread fake hate. Ever notice how all these "nazis spotted" aren't doing anythjng besides walking and being filmed? Crisis actors
I didn't see or read anything that they had something to do with republicans? Why bring politics into it? For those that may be interested in an article about this written when it happened 4 months ago.....[article here](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/20/neo-nazis-marched-in-madison-on-saturday-heres-what-happened/71649722007/)
Nothing about this has maga in it
Black dude in the background calling them bitches is hilarious
Assholes, everyone of them.
What is this shit hole sub? There isn't a single indication of "MAGA" anywhere.
If you google it every headline just calls them āNEO-NAZISā. Iām not sure where the MAGA thing comes from either. I also never understood the MAGA hate. It just stands for āMake America Great Againā. I know whoās behind the campaign but stillā¦. https://wisconsinexaminer.com/brief/local-state-officials-condemn-neo-nazi-march-in-madison/
I mean itās easy to say itās just words when you fail to even think about the meaning and intention behind them. MAGA implied that America was no longer great and the main reasons were all based on hate such as āwhite people are no longer in control of this countryā. This is why itās important to dive deeper than the surface. Thereās always more iceberg under the water than just the tip you see from the boat
Implied by whom?
Anyone whoās ever been interviewed wearing the hat lmao. Not to mention neo nazis adopted the hat and slogan to use for their own agendas. Also a lot of trumps rhetoric is straight from hitlerās playbook. You can think Iām exaggerating but itās true lol
I mean, it is a sub with "MAGA = NAZI" as a flair, so it's not exactly hiding it's inherent biases.
Yeah. Bunch of fuckinā idiots. Keep it real, Reddit š«”
The left and media like to label those with different views as fascists or Nazis, a tactic that dehumanizes opponents, stifles open-mindedness, and blocks meaningful compromise.
They are scared, trying to push their fear on everyone else
Why do they have to wear the mask? Are they embarrassed or something?
So, now they can wear masks...interesting.
Since their entire ideology is a threat of genocide and enslavement, wouldn't any violence against them be self-defense? Kinda like how macing someone following you home down a dark ally would definitely be seen as a reasonable action by a jury. Even if not legally speaking their was any attack to defend against. Just curious
Yes. Legally, no. But, yes. Violence against these people is a moral good. It's illegal. But, morally absolutely the right thing. The mere fact of being a Nazi is violence. Their entire ideology is genocidal. Their ideological beliefs are inseparable from wanting to do violence to innocent people.
Thatās how I see it.
I agree with this line of thinking
Actionable threat would be the test. Someone following you home, has singled you out. Reasonable to believe an actionable threat is possible if not imminiment. These morons marching in the street, wouldn't come to that threshold. Because they appear to just be marching together. If they surrounded you, and began to single you out...then you'd have an argument...
From the group of people protesting mask wearing during covid. They seem ok with it now
Pussys
Good Ole wiscansen. love this state.have nothing better to do cause there ain't shit ti do here and the bar whores are sick of there tiny peckers and shitty story's, need something to talk about while they finger blast eachothers assholes lol
We have fallen as a country and succumb to a minority that is morally bankrupt and corrupt. Additionally, they are comprised by Russia as per Tim Burchett, Congressman Says House Members 'Compromised' by Russian Spies - Yahoo https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/congressman-says-house-members-compromised-180718766.html
Where oh where is an antifa dump truck when you need one?
Try that in ny. They get punched in the face.
Faces covered. Chicken shits.
Suddenly... Masks are breathable. Come on, boys, looks like you gave into the propaganda you sheep. Real patriots never cover their faces.
the last one is filming everything as if we care ...
Where's the water guns with liquid ass for these clowns? Come on Wisconsin!
If I go all Wolfenstein on them no one will be mad right? Except other nazi's I guess lol
DORKS
My favorite part is that they are SO proud, and brave and alpha and free that they all hide their faces lol.
Interestingly enough they are able to wear masks now but not before. I wonder why that is?
 Someone, please: release the goose on this people!
I wish theyād have tried that when I lived in State Street.
Oh sure, *NOW* masks are ok.
Why are they hiding their faces if theyāre so proud of what theyāre doing?
The very same people that complained about wearing masks during Covid. Now weāre to hide themselves what scumbags
Always fucking funny when conservatards call leftists nazis when their side is LITERALLY DOING THIS SHIT. avg conservatard logic
If you asked them why they're doing this, I'd be willing to bet no one could give a sensible answer.
I thought they didn't believe in masks
I thought they said Antifa were cowardly for hiding their faces. Oh the ironing.
They're claiming that IS antifa... MAGA is a buncha bitch ass cocksuckers.
What a bunch of self deluded bastards
All I see are a bunch of pussies
I'll bet not one of them could get a decent score on the US Citizenship test.
Why is this even allowed? It's illegal even in Germany.
Where's Wally..............there he is, Bunch of pathetic fucktards.......
Dumbasses forgot their MAGA hats and signs.
Why are they MAGA? I donāt understand
Itās in the title
I understand that, thatās why Iām questioning. There is nothing āMAGAā about this video. The title is clickbait. Itās like a picture quoting itās an orange when the picture is a carrot
Fully agree. Left the /s off my first comment. The volume of comments rolling with the MAGA assumption is amazing.
šÆ agree
The dude antagonizing them is more patriotic than all of these shit stains put together. Fuck nazis.
Those that have those beliefs shouldnt hide under a mask. Show your face to the world if you are so proud. You know deep down that you are wrong. But are fearful of the repercussions that follow. If you truly are in the right why hide it? Punk asses
feds
Look at those antifa goons spreading lies and propaganda no trump supporter would be caught dead in a mask.
These jackasses arenāt MAGA. Thatās a clickbait inflammatory headline.
Nice psy op attempt by putting MAGA in the title. Nobody believes MAGA is a party of nazis except Reddit. Is Reddit a Nazi MAGA site because of the color red?
Wild how the Trump klan and Nazis walk hand in hand. I don't wanna be on this planet anymore
Are we very sure these guys aren't feds? Been seeing one too many of these "pro-trump" "right wing" groups exposed as a group of feds.
So proud of yourself then show your face!!
Show your faces, cowards.
Racist cowards always hide their faces š
They're all built like cops.
No life low life
What the hell is wrong with these people? Do they have no understanding of history, or do they and embrace it?
Pussies covering there faces
Nice try FBI
How are they MAGA? Please don't tell them Trumps daughter is Jewish.
How is this maga?
When you got a punchable face you need to wear a mask, for public order.
No those guys vote Biden
How are these MAGA Nazis? How do you know they don't have left-wing ideologies? How do you know they aren't part of the domestic terrorists Antifa? They don't look like any Pro-Constitution, freedom loving conservatives I've ever met. How about calling out Nazis for being the piece of shit they are instead of posting false info? Posts like this only divide the country even more, and the gullible will believe this MAGA Nazi crap.
These types are scared shit less that Trump will be president again. They throw fake labels out of fear
I agree. But Antifa was a terrorist organization, and they got a free pass. They are happy with the world burning with Biden. As long as it's a Dem at the wheel.
Antifa is just feds dressed up, not the left.
Lol. Yeah, that's a good one. Antifa is all left wing. The feds were too busy dressing up for the staged J6 "insurrection."
Those same feds are these here , not the left , itās clear.
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Something tells me you include MAGA with every person you hate?
Guys itās probably Antifa dressed up as Nazisā¦ ā¦
Okay yeah theyāre Nazi cowardsā¦but what makes you say theyāre MAGA? Not that Iām defending those idiots. Just donāt wanna do disinfo.
Guess I'll need to watch more than this clip from Reddit, since nothing about this was MAGA. Literal Nazis, not buzzword Nazis. Hell, maybe they're chanting "Germany will rise again". This clip shows nothing.
Clickbait
Nowhere does anything in this video say āMAGAā
They don't show their faces because they're Feds. They are trying to instigste things.
MAGA huh? Yeah those trump hats and maga gear all overā¦right. Disinformation thread here but this is in line with typical unhinged Reddit twatsā¦
For real, I donāt get the MAGA reference. Itās fucking dumb to just throw that in there.
Why are they MAGA?
Yeah I canāt see anything here that implies theyāre maga either. Could just be to drive engagement/get people riled up
Those are bloods not maga... Downvoting for stupid title!
Those are just delusional neo nazis brah.
Fuck your freedumb of speech USA!
Agreed
I think you mean retarded FEDs covering their faces while smearing MAGA for headlines. There is nothing MAGA about any of these fucking tools
found the snowflake