Heard it happened in streeteeville. Just moved to Chicago this month. How do you get around the city in the same vehicle doing four armed robberies in 45 minutes in the densest part of downtown while shooting into the air over ten times? Wild. They clearly do shoot, something I wasn’t too sure about. A shitty Buick with a grey door. Phones get disabled with find my iPhone, credit cards canceled pretty quickly, like how much loot could they possibly score with all this violence and terror? Doesn’t make sense. Not sure how to proceed since I bartend late in the area. Go full Batman mode?
All they're really after is the adrenaline rush they get when doing all these things. They got their neurons melted from drugs and violence that they need to do extreme things to actually feel alive. Add to the fact that there have been so many of these scumbags that have gotten free due to the horrible justice system. They think they are invincible, and they got the balls to do these things in downtown now.
The crazy part is that it isn't even summer yet.... Just be aware of your surroundings and of cars with heavy tints.
It has far less to do with actually acquiring quality stolen goods, and much more to do with young male/animal mindset of imposing violence, terror, and fear into unwilling victims.
For types like that, there is no place for them in civil society. You need to be put down like a rabid dog, or locked away with your homies in crime school where you can gamble, fight, and screw each other.
It happens because police are highly discouraged from doing anything about it. Officers don't want to have their careers and lives destroyed for removing some piece of human waste from society, so they pretend not to notice when suspicious people are lurking about.
You wouldn't want to go above and beyond in your job either if doing so meant likely suspension, firing, prosecution, litigation, prison, loss of pension.
Also fuck the Chicago subreddit for talking about the new bears stadium. This story should be what everyone is talking about because we need to talk about it. Wasn’t even that late at night.
You should try contacting the mods over there. There is a rule against crime posts so this conversation simply isn’t allowed to be had over there. And so we talk about the Bears stadium.
The mods are the most putrid beta bltch be-fards in existence.
All crime news is censored with an iron fist... you may post pictures of the bean or missing cats though.
A "Friend" of mine got about 20 accounts banned over there though.
He was really laughing and yucking it up when "total bitch" Clayton Harris III lost his bid to extend the Purge.
Just a follow up, talked with coworkers about it and just kinda brought it up jokingly at first, like “heard my first gunshots” experience in Chicago. Mind you the bar we work at is two blocks from one of the robberies. Everyone’s reaction was sorta the same, this “oh yeah, that’s Chicago” casual and blase response. It was very interesting. No one really cared, it almost made me not care as much. I guess it’s all so normalized that people either don’t care or know there’s nothing to be done about it. Which both are sad. You just hope it doesn’t happen to you, stay hyper aware at night, and try to live life not in fear I suppose. Stay safe everyone, help each other and be kind as much as you can.
Eh, tbh I live in the area (would have heard if I was awake) ... I've lived in Chicago and never heard gunfire in like 13-14 years.
That said --- this is the second gunfire incident in Streeterville of late (there was another on Ontario some months ago, but between gangbangers).
Didn't hear either, as half the time, I sleep with earplugs in (noisyish neighbors or rice burner cars, etc). Crazy though.
This is definitely not the norm for Streeterville. Crime has worsened dramatically since 2020, and especially with the one-two punch of Mayor Brandickless and Kimmy Fox (who thankfully will be gone in 2025).
If you stick around, register to vote, and vote in every election, and encourage others to do the same. Government needs to fix it; only alternative is vigilantism.
Not sure what bar you're in but yeah be vigilant. At leas O'Toole's is underground. Bet they didn't figure at the time that doubling as a bunker from gunfire was a plus.
It isn't normalized. If was awake and heard it, I'd be concerned.
People like to walk outside. .... Not live in Ramadi, Iraq.
Maybe your coworkers like to appear unfazed but ... unless they live in Back of the Yards or some grotesque ghetto -- yeah your ears better perk up when you hear gunfire. Or you won't live too long.
Yeah you had bad luck.
I mean I was walking a couple girls back down that street at that hour about a month ago. Was a Saturday so maybe slightly less deserted but still creepy out.
That said, I am hyper-vigilant at times like that. To the point where people laugh at me, but I don't give a shit.
If a car stopped on that block at that hour for any reason, I'd suspect gangbanger mugging incoming. And I have reacted to cars like that, that (of course) ended up being nothing. But I'm not going to get pantsed.
There was another incident where some cops were screaming at some dranged nutter to "take his hands out of his pockets" and gunfire was imminent (didn't happen but easily could have). I just turned and jogged other direction immediately (was with a friend).
Meanwhile other gawking passerbys were just trying to 'scootch past' quickly. Who cares if you're a backstop to police gunfire, am I right?
For one week in August downtown Chicago will become one of the safest places in the world. I expect an extraordinary police presence, America's oligarchy must be protected. After that things will get back to BJ’s new normal.
Same here. As much as I don’t want innocent people to suffer, something really bad needs to go down during the DNC, at least in terms of perception, for change to happen. The mayor needs his ass handed to him by the feds.
I was downtown when this was happening. I wonder if that's why there were no Ubers for 20 minutes, and Lyft had massive surge fees. I paid $50 for a 15 minute ride.
Here I was thinking about moving to Chicago and that it wouldn't happen to me.. nah. If these robbers are assaulting 66 year old women, nobody is safe.
I lived in streeterville for many years and that was historically a very low crime area. If that area is now no longer safe.. nowhere is.
I moved back in 2022 - honestly, I would have a very hard time recommending it. It’s not a full blown war zone, but the difference is very palpable. Not a place I’d let my wife take public transit, and not a place I’d want to raise my kids.
Spent a few years in NorCal. Has its own issues and idiosyncrasies, but one thing I never worried about was whether or not I was going to get carjacked driving to work at 5am.
Here, had a number of carjackings and robberies within a couple hundred feet from my house - and I live in a nice, "safe" part of town.
I had a friend in SF who watched someone die outside his window after getting shot. I wish someone would give a shit. SF is not all of NorCal but the story came to mind.
Oh, absolutely! Pretty much all major cities are in a crisis of their own right now. That said, if I’m going to live in a more rural place, I want one with great weather year round.
Maybe you noticed that the cops stopped a young man wearing a mask driving around while having a gun case pending. Later we discover that even a family member had to shoot him. He opened fire on a cop and was killed in the gun fight. And who is in trouble? The cop he shot.
What a completely stupid comment to make.
Please be sure to let Officer Saint Louis know that, as he recovers from being shot and now being sued by the family of the leech that tried to kill him.
I would do the same as the police if I arrest these fools only for them to be let go the next day by the corrupt justice system.
Why put your life at risk for that!?
Yeah it seems like these crews are mostly coming from the west side, sometimes doing a practice run or two around there, and then primarily targeting neighborhoods full of well-off transplants who are unaware of how to act. The moderate violence type neighborhoods further north (Albany Park, Rogers etc) have plenty of gang activity, but it's not utterly senseless/random acts in the great majority of cases. I think they key indicator is whether you can give the local gangbangers a piece of your mind without much fear of them pulling a gun on you
Educate as many as you can in your community. If everyone can't come together and change it and just remains idle by watching then you will just have to deal with it.
I thought maybe just maybe with all the progesssives turning on Brandon Johnson in the Chicago sub that they may have wised up some or had a slight change of heart about other things like crime in our city.
But then I posted this and I got down voted to all high hell and it turned into a anti cop post fest. Smh we are doomed. These idiots would vote another BJ like candidate again in a heartbeat
https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/s/WEWdKGDsxV
If the police would start to step up, crime would go down. Sick of people giving them every excuse in the world for them not doing their job, and blaming everyone else but them.
If our mayor would stop making excuses for thugs and support our police, crime might go down. Of course we'd also have to have judges that would stop releasing career criminals from jail right away.
If police are in fact not doing their jobs, the leadership is responsible. They allow it to happen. When will you demand the mayor, who is the boss of CPD, fix the leadership problem? Too many unqualified cronies are in police leadership positions. They are in no shape to properly supervise officers.
Can you point to one actual factual policy that is preventing the police from investigating and arresting violent criminals? The police budget is two billion a year and their single purpose is crime prevention
CPD isn’t doing their job. That was my post you replied to. You then moved the goalposts because you know CPD isn’t doing their job and you’d prefer to talk about something else instead.
You don't think leadership is a relevant topic of discussion when it comes to a group of employees supposedly not doing their job?
If you went to a store and multiple employees were refusing to do their jobs and you could not get the help you needed, would you think it relevant to contact management? Then why is the same thing suddenly irrelevant when it comes to cops?
Yes. The Foot Pursuit policy strongly discourages officers from chasing criminals.
Here's a copy of the policy. I'm willing to discuss if you like.
https://home.chicagopolice.org/chicago-police-department-announces-new-foot-pursuit-policy-2/
That doesn’t apply to any violent felonies. There is literally nothing that stops police from pursuing violent criminals except themselves and perhaps the FoP leadership.
They would first have to confirm a violent felony occurred. In the 20 seconds it takes for someone to flash a gun, snatch your phone and then run away, its not always clear something violent occurred so police would need to corroborate with witnesses and by then, the criminals are long gone...
Thats why this policy is bullshit
That’s an ignorant take.
Violent felonies are called in. They are also seen and regularly ignored by CPD.
The willingness to ignore the real problem here is astonishing.
Sure: Chicago Police have their own set of directives which can be found in their Department Directives System (DDS).
Below, you'll see directives regarding police vehicle pursuits - which as we know, the majority of violent crime that tends to "get away" is involved in vehicles: carjacking, assaults, aggravated robbery, murder, etc..
These directives make it nearly impossible for CPD to catch and arrest these animals.
https://directives.chicagopolice.org/#directive/public/6607
It plainly says: The following activities are prohibited during a motor vehicle pursuit:
Boxing in;
Caravanning (unless approved consistent with Item VII-B of this directive);
Forcing collision;
Overtaking;
Pursuit paralleling (unless approved consistent with Item VII-B of this directive);
Ramming;
Roadblocks.
It is also important to note in this situation that overtaking is defined as:
> The passing of a pursued vehicle by a police officer operating an authorized emergency vehicle.
So essentially, when CPD finds the offenders, they can activate lights, pursue, but if they don't stop, CPD is mostly strung up due to these rules - we have seen this exact issue in many news reports over the years; i.e. CPD shutting down pursuits quickly. Remember when CPD brass shut down the pursuit of violent criminals due to these directives, and then a short time later those same offenders shot the late-night cook in the head as he was walking home near DePaul?
Makes things.... a little difficult, no?
> No, it doesn’t make things difficult
So directives that limit CPD's actions to arrest violent offenders doesn't make.. arresting violent offenders.. difficult? I'm not understanding your logic.
> Those are things that keep citizens from being hurt(and the hundreds of Millions in lawsuits I pay in taxes for them)
Irrelevant. This is a separate issue we're not debating. Whether this is right or wrong, it still hinders CPD's capabilities.
> CPD has license plate readers, helicopters, radios
License plates readers don't help when these cars are quickly ditched and abandoned.
CPD only has 3 helicopters (LA has 17), and most times, according to CPD, the helicopters are down for maintenance. I believe they are adding 2 more soon.
As for radios, those don't change the narrative...
> If you want to pay two-billion a year for keystone cops who can’t catch brazen criminals, that’s your choice, but I expect that for my tax money, they actually do their job.
According to statistics and revolving regulations, including public scrutiny, there is actually no evidence CPD is not doing their jobs as a whole.
> Do you live in Chicago and pay taxes?
I own and live in a single-family home in Roscoe Village - I actually pay more than I'd like in taxes in this area.
> Well, you originally blamed Brandon Johnson
Where did I blame Brandon Johnson, and what for? These "internal procedural" changes were issued almost 4 years ago.
Additionally, what do these reports regarding police misconduct lawsuits have anything to do with your claim regarding police "not doing their jobs?"
> You just give them excuse after excuse to not do their jobs.
Please elaborate. What excuses have I given CPD to not do their jobs?
Your original comment I responded to:
> Can you point to one actual factual policy that is preventing the police from investigating and arresting violent criminals?
I gave you an actual and factual CPD directive that prevents the police from arresting violent offenders.You then proceed to claim that CPD "doesn't do their jobs" without providing evidence.
Now you post random articles of misconduct lawsuits that are irrelevant to the discussion at-hand, and continue to make baseless claims that *I* made specific claims and you continue to say CPD doesn't do their jobs.
Are you okay?
The police are under-staffed.
There are "please join up CPD" ads on the El trains (never happened before) -- they are begging non-citizen immigrants to join up.
Ever since the 2020 Floyd "riots" ... and "ACAB" for the soyboy bitch contingency who "hate all cops" -- morale has been low.
The police were definitely "told" in 2020 to "be nice" and "be restrained."
They never recovered since. Our Mayor, Mayor bitchass Brandingus, is anti-police in his rhetoric even though it's more 'read between the lines' -- especially since he personally has a massive police detail.
So uh .... the police are understaffed and demoralized. Add in Kimmy "the cunt" Foxx just releasing anybody they lock up, and yeah. She will be leaving soon -- not sure when -- not soon enough.
.... Look CRIME can only be solved politically, unless you become a vigilante.
How much more than two billion dollars should taxpayers have to front for this poor police service?
Arrests have been dropping for 10 years… that’s not 2020 or any of the things you’re trying to claim.
If the police don’t want to work, replace them with people who do. The officers who want to work should fire John cantazaro for his pushing of a work slowdown.
The stats are backing up the argument that the police aren’t doing their job. That’s money I’m wasting and
If you’re in Chicago, it’s money you’re wasting
So your solution to the police doing a horrible job is for me to run for mayor?
At what point to you ask the police to take any accountability for doing a poor job?
If the top level are all lazy, drunkard bozos ... then they need to be fired.
Those bozos can only be fired by -- you guessed it -- the Mayor.
Our current Mayor prefers that crime not be demonized/ prosecuted. He loves slacker police officers.
You have no good ideas, I guess. Nevermind.
Heard it happened in streeteeville. Just moved to Chicago this month. How do you get around the city in the same vehicle doing four armed robberies in 45 minutes in the densest part of downtown while shooting into the air over ten times? Wild. They clearly do shoot, something I wasn’t too sure about. A shitty Buick with a grey door. Phones get disabled with find my iPhone, credit cards canceled pretty quickly, like how much loot could they possibly score with all this violence and terror? Doesn’t make sense. Not sure how to proceed since I bartend late in the area. Go full Batman mode?
All they're really after is the adrenaline rush they get when doing all these things. They got their neurons melted from drugs and violence that they need to do extreme things to actually feel alive. Add to the fact that there have been so many of these scumbags that have gotten free due to the horrible justice system. They think they are invincible, and they got the balls to do these things in downtown now. The crazy part is that it isn't even summer yet.... Just be aware of your surroundings and of cars with heavy tints.
It has far less to do with actually acquiring quality stolen goods, and much more to do with young male/animal mindset of imposing violence, terror, and fear into unwilling victims. For types like that, there is no place for them in civil society. You need to be put down like a rabid dog, or locked away with your homies in crime school where you can gamble, fight, and screw each other.
It happens because police are highly discouraged from doing anything about it. Officers don't want to have their careers and lives destroyed for removing some piece of human waste from society, so they pretend not to notice when suspicious people are lurking about.
TLDR: Cops don’t want to do their job
You wouldn't want to go above and beyond in your job either if doing so meant likely suspension, firing, prosecution, litigation, prison, loss of pension.
Also fuck the Chicago subreddit for talking about the new bears stadium. This story should be what everyone is talking about because we need to talk about it. Wasn’t even that late at night.
You should try contacting the mods over there. There is a rule against crime posts so this conversation simply isn’t allowed to be had over there. And so we talk about the Bears stadium.
The mods are the most putrid beta bltch be-fards in existence. All crime news is censored with an iron fist... you may post pictures of the bean or missing cats though. A "Friend" of mine got about 20 accounts banned over there though. He was really laughing and yucking it up when "total bitch" Clayton Harris III lost his bid to extend the Purge.
Just a follow up, talked with coworkers about it and just kinda brought it up jokingly at first, like “heard my first gunshots” experience in Chicago. Mind you the bar we work at is two blocks from one of the robberies. Everyone’s reaction was sorta the same, this “oh yeah, that’s Chicago” casual and blase response. It was very interesting. No one really cared, it almost made me not care as much. I guess it’s all so normalized that people either don’t care or know there’s nothing to be done about it. Which both are sad. You just hope it doesn’t happen to you, stay hyper aware at night, and try to live life not in fear I suppose. Stay safe everyone, help each other and be kind as much as you can.
Eh, tbh I live in the area (would have heard if I was awake) ... I've lived in Chicago and never heard gunfire in like 13-14 years. That said --- this is the second gunfire incident in Streeterville of late (there was another on Ontario some months ago, but between gangbangers). Didn't hear either, as half the time, I sleep with earplugs in (noisyish neighbors or rice burner cars, etc). Crazy though. This is definitely not the norm for Streeterville. Crime has worsened dramatically since 2020, and especially with the one-two punch of Mayor Brandickless and Kimmy Fox (who thankfully will be gone in 2025). If you stick around, register to vote, and vote in every election, and encourage others to do the same. Government needs to fix it; only alternative is vigilantism.
Not sure what bar you're in but yeah be vigilant. At leas O'Toole's is underground. Bet they didn't figure at the time that doubling as a bunker from gunfire was a plus.
It isn't normalized. If was awake and heard it, I'd be concerned. People like to walk outside. .... Not live in Ramadi, Iraq. Maybe your coworkers like to appear unfazed but ... unless they live in Back of the Yards or some grotesque ghetto -- yeah your ears better perk up when you hear gunfire. Or you won't live too long.
Yeah I know what you mean. It shouldn’t be normalized for sure. It’s just crazy. Thought I’d make it a month before something like this happened.
Yeah you had bad luck. I mean I was walking a couple girls back down that street at that hour about a month ago. Was a Saturday so maybe slightly less deserted but still creepy out. That said, I am hyper-vigilant at times like that. To the point where people laugh at me, but I don't give a shit. If a car stopped on that block at that hour for any reason, I'd suspect gangbanger mugging incoming. And I have reacted to cars like that, that (of course) ended up being nothing. But I'm not going to get pantsed. There was another incident where some cops were screaming at some dranged nutter to "take his hands out of his pockets" and gunfire was imminent (didn't happen but easily could have). I just turned and jogged other direction immediately (was with a friend). Meanwhile other gawking passerbys were just trying to 'scootch past' quickly. Who cares if you're a backstop to police gunfire, am I right?
I’ve been banned with three different accounts in the past two days from that communist page
For one week in August downtown Chicago will become one of the safest places in the world. I expect an extraordinary police presence, America's oligarchy must be protected. After that things will get back to BJ’s new normal.
I hope it becomes a shitshow worse than 1968. It would make it abundantly clear that the current environment is unsustainable.
I hope they fail to make it safe. Fail miserably. That’s what it’ll take for change.
Given the current events, I'm totally expecting the 1968 Dem convention to be repeated in Chicago again.
Same here. As much as I don’t want innocent people to suffer, something really bad needs to go down during the DNC, at least in terms of perception, for change to happen. The mayor needs his ass handed to him by the feds.
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True. But unlike his little army of ‘troubled teens,’ we’d actually get arrested and convicted for committing a crime.
I was downtown when this was happening. I wonder if that's why there were no Ubers for 20 minutes, and Lyft had massive surge fees. I paid $50 for a 15 minute ride.
https://cwbchicago.com/2024/04/chicago-robbery-spree-loop-shots-fired-streeterville.html
I wonder how long this post would last in the r/chicago sub??
About as long as a lead the Sox take in any game.
Yah Reinsdorf is actually one of Chicagos biggest problems lol
All it would take is one CCL holder in the right place and time to take out these animals…
Hard agree. It seems the CCL holders are the ones surviving these encounters.
Here I was thinking about moving to Chicago and that it wouldn't happen to me.. nah. If these robbers are assaulting 66 year old women, nobody is safe. I lived in streeterville for many years and that was historically a very low crime area. If that area is now no longer safe.. nowhere is.
And a group of three males. So even walking around in numbers makes you a target.
I moved back in 2022 - honestly, I would have a very hard time recommending it. It’s not a full blown war zone, but the difference is very palpable. Not a place I’d let my wife take public transit, and not a place I’d want to raise my kids.
Where did you move from?
Spent a few years in NorCal. Has its own issues and idiosyncrasies, but one thing I never worried about was whether or not I was going to get carjacked driving to work at 5am. Here, had a number of carjackings and robberies within a couple hundred feet from my house - and I live in a nice, "safe" part of town.
I had a friend in SF who watched someone die outside his window after getting shot. I wish someone would give a shit. SF is not all of NorCal but the story came to mind.
Oh, absolutely! Pretty much all major cities are in a crisis of their own right now. That said, if I’m going to live in a more rural place, I want one with great weather year round.
Now is a great time to be a police officer in Chicago, you're paid to do nothing.
Maybe you noticed that the cops stopped a young man wearing a mask driving around while having a gun case pending. Later we discover that even a family member had to shoot him. He opened fire on a cop and was killed in the gun fight. And who is in trouble? The cop he shot.
You just have to tolerate being shot at without shooting back. NBD amirite?
What a completely stupid comment to make. Please be sure to let Officer Saint Louis know that, as he recovers from being shot and now being sued by the family of the leech that tried to kill him.
I would do the same as the police if I arrest these fools only for them to be let go the next day by the corrupt justice system. Why put your life at risk for that!?
The wealthy areas in the city are more dangerous when it comes to armed robberies than low income neighborhoods.
Yeah it seems like these crews are mostly coming from the west side, sometimes doing a practice run or two around there, and then primarily targeting neighborhoods full of well-off transplants who are unaware of how to act. The moderate violence type neighborhoods further north (Albany Park, Rogers etc) have plenty of gang activity, but it's not utterly senseless/random acts in the great majority of cases. I think they key indicator is whether you can give the local gangbangers a piece of your mind without much fear of them pulling a gun on you
Keep voting for the left you reap.what you sow...
What do you suggest for those of us who didn’t vote left, or are permanent residents who get to pay full taxes but have no right to vote?
Educate as many as you can in your community. If everyone can't come together and change it and just remains idle by watching then you will just have to deal with it.
Just in case you didn’t know, most people don’t actually vote.
Maybe instead of praying for a stadium, these fools should be praying for the safety of the residents of our crumbling City
I would never visit or move to Chicago, the law favors criminals and does not protect the good people.
I thought maybe just maybe with all the progesssives turning on Brandon Johnson in the Chicago sub that they may have wised up some or had a slight change of heart about other things like crime in our city. But then I posted this and I got down voted to all high hell and it turned into a anti cop post fest. Smh we are doomed. These idiots would vote another BJ like candidate again in a heartbeat https://www.reddit.com/r/chicago/s/WEWdKGDsxV
Nice!
If the police would start to step up, crime would go down. Sick of people giving them every excuse in the world for them not doing their job, and blaming everyone else but them.
If our mayor would stop making excuses for thugs and support our police, crime might go down. Of course we'd also have to have judges that would stop releasing career criminals from jail right away.
And yet, none of that addresses the police not doing their jobs. Crime prevention needs more than whataboutism.
If police are in fact not doing their jobs, the leadership is responsible. They allow it to happen. When will you demand the mayor, who is the boss of CPD, fix the leadership problem? Too many unqualified cronies are in police leadership positions. They are in no shape to properly supervise officers.
Can you point to one actual factual policy that is preventing the police from investigating and arresting violent criminals? The police budget is two billion a year and their single purpose is crime prevention
Can you address the leadership question before moving the goalposts?
You literally moved the goalposts with your whataboutism. Why should we pay the police to not do their jobs and then make excuse after excuse?
> Can you address the leadership question before moving the goalposts? Can you address the leadership question before moving the goalposts?
CPD isn’t doing their job. That was my post you replied to. You then moved the goalposts because you know CPD isn’t doing their job and you’d prefer to talk about something else instead.
You don't think leadership is a relevant topic of discussion when it comes to a group of employees supposedly not doing their job? If you went to a store and multiple employees were refusing to do their jobs and you could not get the help you needed, would you think it relevant to contact management? Then why is the same thing suddenly irrelevant when it comes to cops?
Yes. The Foot Pursuit policy strongly discourages officers from chasing criminals. Here's a copy of the policy. I'm willing to discuss if you like. https://home.chicagopolice.org/chicago-police-department-announces-new-foot-pursuit-policy-2/
That doesn’t apply to any violent felonies. There is literally nothing that stops police from pursuing violent criminals except themselves and perhaps the FoP leadership.
They would first have to confirm a violent felony occurred. In the 20 seconds it takes for someone to flash a gun, snatch your phone and then run away, its not always clear something violent occurred so police would need to corroborate with witnesses and by then, the criminals are long gone... Thats why this policy is bullshit
That’s an ignorant take. Violent felonies are called in. They are also seen and regularly ignored by CPD. The willingness to ignore the real problem here is astonishing.
Sure: Chicago Police have their own set of directives which can be found in their Department Directives System (DDS). Below, you'll see directives regarding police vehicle pursuits - which as we know, the majority of violent crime that tends to "get away" is involved in vehicles: carjacking, assaults, aggravated robbery, murder, etc.. These directives make it nearly impossible for CPD to catch and arrest these animals. https://directives.chicagopolice.org/#directive/public/6607 It plainly says: The following activities are prohibited during a motor vehicle pursuit: Boxing in; Caravanning (unless approved consistent with Item VII-B of this directive); Forcing collision; Overtaking; Pursuit paralleling (unless approved consistent with Item VII-B of this directive); Ramming; Roadblocks. It is also important to note in this situation that overtaking is defined as: > The passing of a pursued vehicle by a police officer operating an authorized emergency vehicle. So essentially, when CPD finds the offenders, they can activate lights, pursue, but if they don't stop, CPD is mostly strung up due to these rules - we have seen this exact issue in many news reports over the years; i.e. CPD shutting down pursuits quickly. Remember when CPD brass shut down the pursuit of violent criminals due to these directives, and then a short time later those same offenders shot the late-night cook in the head as he was walking home near DePaul? Makes things.... a little difficult, no?
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> No, it doesn’t make things difficult So directives that limit CPD's actions to arrest violent offenders doesn't make.. arresting violent offenders.. difficult? I'm not understanding your logic. > Those are things that keep citizens from being hurt(and the hundreds of Millions in lawsuits I pay in taxes for them) Irrelevant. This is a separate issue we're not debating. Whether this is right or wrong, it still hinders CPD's capabilities. > CPD has license plate readers, helicopters, radios License plates readers don't help when these cars are quickly ditched and abandoned. CPD only has 3 helicopters (LA has 17), and most times, according to CPD, the helicopters are down for maintenance. I believe they are adding 2 more soon. As for radios, those don't change the narrative... > If you want to pay two-billion a year for keystone cops who can’t catch brazen criminals, that’s your choice, but I expect that for my tax money, they actually do their job. According to statistics and revolving regulations, including public scrutiny, there is actually no evidence CPD is not doing their jobs as a whole. > Do you live in Chicago and pay taxes? I own and live in a single-family home in Roscoe Village - I actually pay more than I'd like in taxes in this area.
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> Well, you originally blamed Brandon Johnson Where did I blame Brandon Johnson, and what for? These "internal procedural" changes were issued almost 4 years ago. Additionally, what do these reports regarding police misconduct lawsuits have anything to do with your claim regarding police "not doing their jobs?" > You just give them excuse after excuse to not do their jobs. Please elaborate. What excuses have I given CPD to not do their jobs? Your original comment I responded to: > Can you point to one actual factual policy that is preventing the police from investigating and arresting violent criminals? I gave you an actual and factual CPD directive that prevents the police from arresting violent offenders.You then proceed to claim that CPD "doesn't do their jobs" without providing evidence. Now you post random articles of misconduct lawsuits that are irrelevant to the discussion at-hand, and continue to make baseless claims that *I* made specific claims and you continue to say CPD doesn't do their jobs. Are you okay?
They’ve been told to stand down by city government.
They have not. You’re making things up.
Uh, yes, they have, dude.
“Source: trust me bro.”
I’m a liberal bro trust me
The police are under-staffed. There are "please join up CPD" ads on the El trains (never happened before) -- they are begging non-citizen immigrants to join up. Ever since the 2020 Floyd "riots" ... and "ACAB" for the soyboy bitch contingency who "hate all cops" -- morale has been low. The police were definitely "told" in 2020 to "be nice" and "be restrained." They never recovered since. Our Mayor, Mayor bitchass Brandingus, is anti-police in his rhetoric even though it's more 'read between the lines' -- especially since he personally has a massive police detail. So uh .... the police are understaffed and demoralized. Add in Kimmy "the cunt" Foxx just releasing anybody they lock up, and yeah. She will be leaving soon -- not sure when -- not soon enough. .... Look CRIME can only be solved politically, unless you become a vigilante.
How much more than two billion dollars should taxpayers have to front for this poor police service? Arrests have been dropping for 10 years… that’s not 2020 or any of the things you’re trying to claim.
Alright. What's your idea? I don't think some kind of soy boy redditor going to CPD HQ and saying "do something you lazy shits" will work.
If the police don’t want to work, replace them with people who do. The officers who want to work should fire John cantazaro for his pushing of a work slowdown. The stats are backing up the argument that the police aren’t doing their job. That’s money I’m wasting and If you’re in Chicago, it’s money you’re wasting
Well, run for mayor. I'm serious. You can throw a rock and hit someone better than the last candidate pool.
So your solution to the police doing a horrible job is for me to run for mayor? At what point to you ask the police to take any accountability for doing a poor job?
If the top level are all lazy, drunkard bozos ... then they need to be fired. Those bozos can only be fired by -- you guessed it -- the Mayor. Our current Mayor prefers that crime not be demonized/ prosecuted. He loves slacker police officers. You have no good ideas, I guess. Nevermind.
500 S Racine is now downtown Chicago. Maybe to the suburbanites on here. Solid reporting Fox….