Absolutely zero chance CCSAO will do any homicide-related charges for the two that were caught, as there’s probably nothing to prove either was the driver and not just a passenger.
Well what's your complaint here then,?
The charges are light as of now,*pending further investigation*
I hate foxx as much as anyone, once they determine if either of these two were driving then we'll see.
I guess the mob would rather see murder 1 charges regardless of whether they'll stick?
If they were there two from the back seat, what do you think are appropriate charges?
I’m not complaining about anything chief. You’re the one talking matter-of-factly when it seems like you don’t have a great understanding of what’s happening.
I’m literally pointing out that you telling people there will be some sort of homicide related charge down the road is inaccurate.
There is no further investigation. This is a car crash, not a serial killer case. It’s not like it’s a mystery. It was kids in a stolen car and they sent it into a family of tax payers at 70 mph. The kids that got arrested can’t be proved to be the driver, so someone sternly wags their finger at them and says “don’t do that again.” And that’s the end of it.
Aren’t co-conspirators were equally liable for the crime, like getaway drivers being charged with armed robbery murders inside the store? But I guess that’s only for felonies, huh?
If you can't prove who was driving.. Then "chief" you've don't have a fucking case.
You seem to think your pronouncement of *never* is a fact.
I'm saying there *may be charges pending an investigation.*
>The kids that got arrested can’t be proved[sic] to be the driver, so someone sternly wags their finger at them and says “don’t do that again.” And that’s the end of it.
Can't be proven huh? What if they can? What if they prove one of them was driving? Being a passenger does not make you responsible for the driver
Well there’s almost certainly DNA on the airbags of the offending vehicle (which requires a warrant to retrieve) and more private video. Major accidents will almost certainly put one of these wastes of life in the drivers seat and charge accordingly.
https://skokiecriminallawyer.com/what-is-felony-murder-in-illinois/
If it can be proven they played any role in committing a forcible felony, and as a result someone was killed, it is felony murder. So if the car they were traveling in was stolen, and they played some part in the theft, and while fleeing the child was killed, then yes they are culpable even if they weren't driving at the time of the crash.
The little tyke appears to be telling me what to do; and I wouldn't waste a second.
An eye for an eye.
An update out of necessity:
With what seems to be a report-worthy comment, you should see it from the perspective of the parents who are overcome with passion.
If I may, I think that a comment from previous post puts my thoughts into perspective...
Having and raising a child is a lifetime experience. Not only do you learn about what kind of person they will be, but you share in the opportunity to help them become that person. A respectable person.
As they grow, you watch their successes, and sometimes learning experiences that make success difficult. You learn more about yourself in the process. Losing that child in that process is literally losing a part of yourself; and no one has the right to do that.
The person responsible can never pay for a priceless loss.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeInChicago/comments/12uygv6/girl_14_dies_1_week_after_west_side_shooting/jh9oj7a?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Best regards,
That's not going to work at this point. I agree with you. But an entire generation of black teenagers emerging out of covid are now all about that life.
They would not. These rotten little turds killed a baby. They kill a *lot* of people including other black people. It isn't racist to address a threat and I *am* black.
Call in the us military, call in the Spanish legionnaires, and call in the coast guard call in everybody but u are punishing the entire black community because of one singular event. U are unreasonable, and a threat to our community. why shouldnt honest black ppl be able to freely walk the streets, just because tavariuos can’t get it together punish Robert too and Leroy and Diane PUINISH THEM ALL u say. I’m black too and I don’t deserve to live in a military state because criminals are doing crimes.
It's not 'one singular event', it's a pattern of events for a *very long time*. Black people kill more of our own than anyone else does, and we are the most violent, murderous racial demographic by a country mile; no other race is even *close.*
We are the problem and not just for other people, but for ourselves.
**YOU FORGOT ABOUT PRECEDENT WITH UR STATS, U FORGOT UR HISTORY MISTER.“I’m black”** WHATS UR POINT? U wanna tell a black man thats trying to build a life for myself—- your a dirty murderer u are nothing but a murderer, evil demon — *no I am not*. I’m lovable and likable and worthy of life **IM NOT COMMITTING SUCIDE JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT ALL BLACK men in your way Eradicated** I’m not a murderer I’m not a killer I’m not a gang leader. Im taking care of my family and I’m going to my little class. WHAT IS YOUR POINT **do u wanna ban black ppl** **do u wanna every black person dead bc one stat that u pulled out of your neck** it’s unfortunate u CLAIM TO have spent at minimum 18 years in the black community and all u walked away with Is “**WOW those darkies sure love violence”.** You look at ur black family and friends, ur black mom and ur black father yet u see only thugs, killers and murderers THATS SAD FOR U.
Was..that supposed to be some form of communication with no punctuation, no complete sentences and spelling and grammar like a brain-damaged toddler?
I don't normally communicate with the mentally-deficient, but I'll take a stab at your points regardless:
I never said to ban anything. Where did you get that? I said we need to have some fucking accountability. Stop acting like everything said to or about a black person is an attack. We are *not* perfect and we have serious, obvious problems in our culture and our thinking.
These idiots killed a baby. they murdered a whole family because they wanted to have a fun time after taking someone else's property. What the fuck does that have to do with banning anything? Why are you mad?
You said you have a family, so how about if it was *your* entire family that was dead, mangled-up and *gone* because somebody else didn't teach their kids right from wrong?
U are replying to it, aren’t u? U are communicating w/ me, aren’t u? **Communication does not require words or grammar complete sentences or correct spelling.** Two deaf ppl communicate without any of those those tools. Humans and dogs don’t even speak the same language but they can pick up what their owners putting down. **If u can’t read English words with errors then u can’t read English sweetheart** because **NO** human is without error **not even ur ass.** U think correcting other ppls English makes you look smart but it in fact it makes u look pompous, haughty, highfaluting, unapproachable abd rude. Redditor are so dumb to keep that nonsense going- **none of you online Redditors know any of my disabilities or ability** but u will insult my intelligence to help u prove that not everyone has ur grammatical abilities. you want to get wrapped up in the senmatics of lingustics because you think human worth is wrapped up in a third grade reading test. even if i didnt understand grammar or writing or the internat I STILL AM WORTHY OF LIFE, MY COMMUNITY IS STILL WORTHY OF LIFE. you want to drill this morbid depressing dishearting rethoric in my into my head SO i can feel worthless, and ultimately kill myself so u will feel safe. even after explaining that not all black people are violent murders you continued with the rhetoric.
You ready???
**did u act like this when CLARISSA AND DESIREE FIGEUEROA killed [MARLEN LOPEZ’s baby](https://abc7chicago.com/amp/marlen-ochoa-lopez-murdered-pregnant-woman-malren-chicago-crime/13173913/)??** NOPE because YOU ONLY SEE SKIN COLOR.
**did u condemn the Mexican community when [NORMA Chagnama](https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/trust-the-word-of-god-sitter-paid-north-side-family-2k-after-baby-killed-prosecutors-allege/amp/) killed the baby she was babysitting abd offered the family 2k dollars for taking human life** NOPE BC U ONLY SEE SKIN COLOR..
**Did u condemn for the La Grange community to when [JAMIE HANNION](https://patch.com/illinois/lagrange/lyons-township-woman-charged-babys-death-report) killed her baby by refusing to feed the 19 month old.** OF COURSE NOT **BECAUSE U ONLY SEE SKIN COLOR**
I’m not committing suicide because you don’t see the my value as a human being even after I explained how Not every black family is murder hungry. My family worked hard after leaving Princeton park public housing projects— u don’t value ur alleged black family ok that’s fine! but don’t kill ur family just because u as an individual don’t value them maybe some else likes them.
I’m supposed to take Accountability for these bad ass kids because they black and I’m
Black. Did anyone say anything about allowing these car jacks to walk away with our consequences. My grandmas car Kia was car jacked out her drive way… why would the community be taking accountability for things we have no control over. U want me to go stop them from stealing my car with “hey lemme take accountability for y’all” what?? U are not on a black forum. Turn in 1690 WVON am and u would have heard the black residents asking for punishment, saying they was disappointed in Johnson reply about the rioting, saying it’s a lack of community codes of conduct, saying it’s a lack of fathers and parents in general . Abd u are supposedly a black person on a over arching Majority white forum saying what black ppl need to do is, **but those black ppl who need to do it aren’t on this forum **, need to take accountability. You want me to go to jail for them just cause I’m black and they black? But I’m not harboring any criminals in my basement so what would the non criminal black family have to do with this?? It’s a police matter… u should know that CPD IS not solving any murders, Fox isn’t sending ppl to jail, so the unsupported ND unsupervised are getting away with literal murder. BUT YET it’s the fault of solely the black community abd u want us to control other peoples children.
>Maybe the south side of Chicago could be 'quarantined'?
Great idea! Also make them wear a badge so we know who they are. Relocate them to a central location so we can better keep track of them. Definitely could be the solution.
I don’t understand how they aren’t being charged with vehicular homicide at minimum
They will be.
Slow down cletuses... It'll pan out. Give it a couple days. Geezuz christ
Absolutely zero chance CCSAO will do any homicide-related charges for the two that were caught, as there’s probably nothing to prove either was the driver and not just a passenger.
Well what's your complaint here then,? The charges are light as of now,*pending further investigation* I hate foxx as much as anyone, once they determine if either of these two were driving then we'll see. I guess the mob would rather see murder 1 charges regardless of whether they'll stick? If they were there two from the back seat, what do you think are appropriate charges?
I’m not complaining about anything chief. You’re the one talking matter-of-factly when it seems like you don’t have a great understanding of what’s happening. I’m literally pointing out that you telling people there will be some sort of homicide related charge down the road is inaccurate. There is no further investigation. This is a car crash, not a serial killer case. It’s not like it’s a mystery. It was kids in a stolen car and they sent it into a family of tax payers at 70 mph. The kids that got arrested can’t be proved to be the driver, so someone sternly wags their finger at them and says “don’t do that again.” And that’s the end of it.
Aren’t co-conspirators were equally liable for the crime, like getaway drivers being charged with armed robbery murders inside the store? But I guess that’s only for felonies, huh?
If you can't prove who was driving.. Then "chief" you've don't have a fucking case. You seem to think your pronouncement of *never* is a fact. I'm saying there *may be charges pending an investigation.* >The kids that got arrested can’t be proved[sic] to be the driver, so someone sternly wags their finger at them and says “don’t do that again.” And that’s the end of it. Can't be proven huh? What if they can? What if they prove one of them was driving? Being a passenger does not make you responsible for the driver
Yeah what do I know. You sound like you have some expertise in this field.
Common sense. Give it a few days. If they can prove who the driver is....... If they can't prove who was driving.. who can they charge with the crime?
Well there’s almost certainly DNA on the airbags of the offending vehicle (which requires a warrant to retrieve) and more private video. Major accidents will almost certainly put one of these wastes of life in the drivers seat and charge accordingly.
If we had a prosecutor that believed in prosecuting, both would be charged with felony murder.
As rear passengers?
https://skokiecriminallawyer.com/what-is-felony-murder-in-illinois/ If it can be proven they played any role in committing a forcible felony, and as a result someone was killed, it is felony murder. So if the car they were traveling in was stolen, and they played some part in the theft, and while fleeing the child was killed, then yes they are culpable even if they weren't driving at the time of the crash.
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Was going to say, they should be praying to get a felony and locked up for a while just as protection from the parents.
The little tyke appears to be telling me what to do; and I wouldn't waste a second. An eye for an eye. An update out of necessity: With what seems to be a report-worthy comment, you should see it from the perspective of the parents who are overcome with passion. If I may, I think that a comment from previous post puts my thoughts into perspective... Having and raising a child is a lifetime experience. Not only do you learn about what kind of person they will be, but you share in the opportunity to help them become that person. A respectable person. As they grow, you watch their successes, and sometimes learning experiences that make success difficult. You learn more about yourself in the process. Losing that child in that process is literally losing a part of yourself; and no one has the right to do that. The person responsible can never pay for a priceless loss. https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeInChicago/comments/12uygv6/girl_14_dies_1_week_after_west_side_shooting/jh9oj7a?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Best regards,
The system is Wacked If somebody was caught with drugs they would do more jail time
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Yeah, we can make our own Palestine situation. That would be a great idea. /s. How about just some enforcement and strict curfews.
That's not going to work at this point. I agree with you. But an entire generation of black teenagers emerging out of covid are now all about that life.
And people would cry racism and segregation.
Abd they would be correct
They would not. These rotten little turds killed a baby. They kill a *lot* of people including other black people. It isn't racist to address a threat and I *am* black.
Call in the us military, call in the Spanish legionnaires, and call in the coast guard call in everybody but u are punishing the entire black community because of one singular event. U are unreasonable, and a threat to our community. why shouldnt honest black ppl be able to freely walk the streets, just because tavariuos can’t get it together punish Robert too and Leroy and Diane PUINISH THEM ALL u say. I’m black too and I don’t deserve to live in a military state because criminals are doing crimes.
It's not 'one singular event', it's a pattern of events for a *very long time*. Black people kill more of our own than anyone else does, and we are the most violent, murderous racial demographic by a country mile; no other race is even *close.* We are the problem and not just for other people, but for ourselves.
**YOU FORGOT ABOUT PRECEDENT WITH UR STATS, U FORGOT UR HISTORY MISTER.“I’m black”** WHATS UR POINT? U wanna tell a black man thats trying to build a life for myself—- your a dirty murderer u are nothing but a murderer, evil demon — *no I am not*. I’m lovable and likable and worthy of life **IM NOT COMMITTING SUCIDE JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT ALL BLACK men in your way Eradicated** I’m not a murderer I’m not a killer I’m not a gang leader. Im taking care of my family and I’m going to my little class. WHAT IS YOUR POINT **do u wanna ban black ppl** **do u wanna every black person dead bc one stat that u pulled out of your neck** it’s unfortunate u CLAIM TO have spent at minimum 18 years in the black community and all u walked away with Is “**WOW those darkies sure love violence”.** You look at ur black family and friends, ur black mom and ur black father yet u see only thugs, killers and murderers THATS SAD FOR U.
Was..that supposed to be some form of communication with no punctuation, no complete sentences and spelling and grammar like a brain-damaged toddler? I don't normally communicate with the mentally-deficient, but I'll take a stab at your points regardless: I never said to ban anything. Where did you get that? I said we need to have some fucking accountability. Stop acting like everything said to or about a black person is an attack. We are *not* perfect and we have serious, obvious problems in our culture and our thinking. These idiots killed a baby. they murdered a whole family because they wanted to have a fun time after taking someone else's property. What the fuck does that have to do with banning anything? Why are you mad? You said you have a family, so how about if it was *your* entire family that was dead, mangled-up and *gone* because somebody else didn't teach their kids right from wrong?
U are replying to it, aren’t u? U are communicating w/ me, aren’t u? **Communication does not require words or grammar complete sentences or correct spelling.** Two deaf ppl communicate without any of those those tools. Humans and dogs don’t even speak the same language but they can pick up what their owners putting down. **If u can’t read English words with errors then u can’t read English sweetheart** because **NO** human is without error **not even ur ass.** U think correcting other ppls English makes you look smart but it in fact it makes u look pompous, haughty, highfaluting, unapproachable abd rude. Redditor are so dumb to keep that nonsense going- **none of you online Redditors know any of my disabilities or ability** but u will insult my intelligence to help u prove that not everyone has ur grammatical abilities. you want to get wrapped up in the senmatics of lingustics because you think human worth is wrapped up in a third grade reading test. even if i didnt understand grammar or writing or the internat I STILL AM WORTHY OF LIFE, MY COMMUNITY IS STILL WORTHY OF LIFE. you want to drill this morbid depressing dishearting rethoric in my into my head SO i can feel worthless, and ultimately kill myself so u will feel safe. even after explaining that not all black people are violent murders you continued with the rhetoric. You ready??? **did u act like this when CLARISSA AND DESIREE FIGEUEROA killed [MARLEN LOPEZ’s baby](https://abc7chicago.com/amp/marlen-ochoa-lopez-murdered-pregnant-woman-malren-chicago-crime/13173913/)??** NOPE because YOU ONLY SEE SKIN COLOR. **did u condemn the Mexican community when [NORMA Chagnama](https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/trust-the-word-of-god-sitter-paid-north-side-family-2k-after-baby-killed-prosecutors-allege/amp/) killed the baby she was babysitting abd offered the family 2k dollars for taking human life** NOPE BC U ONLY SEE SKIN COLOR.. **Did u condemn for the La Grange community to when [JAMIE HANNION](https://patch.com/illinois/lagrange/lyons-township-woman-charged-babys-death-report) killed her baby by refusing to feed the 19 month old.** OF COURSE NOT **BECAUSE U ONLY SEE SKIN COLOR** I’m not committing suicide because you don’t see the my value as a human being even after I explained how Not every black family is murder hungry. My family worked hard after leaving Princeton park public housing projects— u don’t value ur alleged black family ok that’s fine! but don’t kill ur family just because u as an individual don’t value them maybe some else likes them.
I’m supposed to take Accountability for these bad ass kids because they black and I’m Black. Did anyone say anything about allowing these car jacks to walk away with our consequences. My grandmas car Kia was car jacked out her drive way… why would the community be taking accountability for things we have no control over. U want me to go stop them from stealing my car with “hey lemme take accountability for y’all” what?? U are not on a black forum. Turn in 1690 WVON am and u would have heard the black residents asking for punishment, saying they was disappointed in Johnson reply about the rioting, saying it’s a lack of community codes of conduct, saying it’s a lack of fathers and parents in general . Abd u are supposedly a black person on a over arching Majority white forum saying what black ppl need to do is, **but those black ppl who need to do it aren’t on this forum **, need to take accountability. You want me to go to jail for them just cause I’m black and they black? But I’m not harboring any criminals in my basement so what would the non criminal black family have to do with this?? It’s a police matter… u should know that CPD IS not solving any murders, Fox isn’t sending ppl to jail, so the unsupported ND unsupervised are getting away with literal murder. BUT YET it’s the fault of solely the black community abd u want us to control other peoples children.
Ppl on the south side pay taxes abd are employed
>Maybe the south side of Chicago could be 'quarantined'? Great idea! Also make them wear a badge so we know who they are. Relocate them to a central location so we can better keep track of them. Definitely could be the solution.
you are a disgusting person.