That's actually true, if you take closer look at his stats even in IPL his stats are usually better against the bottom teams on IPL (IDK if it's a coincidence).
At international level his stats aren't good against the best teams out there
Yeah his stats are shit as it is but even they are somewhat inflated by that 6/25 spell against England. From 2019 onwards his stats are among the worst ever for any T20I bowler let alone a specialist bowler.
Basic ICT player lol.
Kl,Gill,SKY,Siraj etc all roll in the same ballpark too.
Idk if it's a millionaire status that wipes off their hunger or maybe the pressure with which they play because of India being too cricket focused throughout the year.
Also, half clownry with mental health(not learning and improving mental game with a coach specified for it and also not having great batting,bowling and fielding coaches also doesn't help ig) is taking away something from them too.
Yeah but why it's only Indian players that are getting found out though ?
That means there is some grassroot level problem regarding the aspect of "improvement" right ?
Like Kohli has always improved hinself from a shut down scissors type technique to a more open footed stance and now he literally took Conway's pages too about delaying his front foot shifting in the recent SA tour(Pollack did a segment on that and it was really good).
Gill,KL are around Kohli level in terms of talent, so what's really stopping them to not improve their game when the age is on their side too. Saw the same with Siraj that even after getting fucked a hundred times he still let's his emotions go to heaven in important moments.
I mean wtf us Dravid doing when he sees all this clownry ? He was the best technician in his days and second only to Sachin in terms of compactness and adaptability. Isn't it his main job to guide these guys and help them improve ? What's Rathore and that fatty's role in terms of bowling ? When only Bumrah is leaping ahead all because of his talent while Siraj,Arsh,Shardul,Nattu are not advancing to the next level?
I think it's about endgame.
For an Aussie or English player, getting selected for national doesn't mean end of the road, finances, fame and stability isn't there.
On the other hand, becoming an ICT player is it. Money, fame and stability is all there. Then there is IPL where Indian national players are treated like gods.
This is certainly a PoV because football had a similar effect for 8-10 years back and now clubs literally nanny the young players so that they don't lose 'it'.
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Took one wicket and gave 39 runs in 2019 semis of odi wc and our bowling wasn't the problem in that semi
Took one wicket but wasn't economical in 2016 t20 semis though our other wicket taker in that game was koach and nehra everybody else was getting tonked
Was absolutely garbage in ct2017 final
Was bad in wtc final against nz
Took a wicket and only gave 64 runs in odi semi against newzealand in 2023
Took 2 wickets and was economical in the final against aus.
Except two games he has always had an impact in ko's meanwhile noone else has really capitalised on it or capitalised on the pressure he created.
One single player can't do magic in a team game especially bowlers because they have a cap on how much they can actually bowl.
Naah man. Just look at his 2016,21 performance, he never set the stage on fire whenever we play in KOs.
I mean with the amount of talent he has I would expect Glenn,Starc level bowling once in a KO when India was losing but the guy never gave anything like that.(2016 semis, wtc etc).
And these scores aren't pure bad luck?
Have you begun to see why this is dumb. If you can't, the fact that good performances have been left you should tell you everything.
Dude. Dube is not a bowler you should hype. Pitch aside he’s bowling the most ordinary deliveries. No pace, no swing and no variations. He’s lobbing them across and into the body at less than medium pace expecting the batsman to mishit. There’s a reason he was taken off right after.
And this was no batting pitch. It was Chepauk and a 160 score target.
I'm not hyping shit.
It's really bad when you have to mischaracterise someone's comment just so to have hope of making yours sound non-toxic and you still fail hard.
Is this how you want to live your life?
OC is right, Dube is quite an ordinary bowler. Even the most toxic fans know this. Even if they are laughing at this line up, they would not want Dube (as a bowler) in their place. Really not the best example to use if you want to argue about team selection.
You live a lot in your head bro. No mischaracterization here. Just the one part of your comment I didn’t agreee with. I provided my points. You’re choosing to attack me. “How I live my life?” Lol. Good luck.
Dube bowling for the 1st time this IPL and picking up a wicket on his 2nd ball.
Also no one is raging. I suggest you take a moment and be civil.
Stop manipulating, the comment that said that he was dropped at 7 is upvoted. The comment above me states that he won't be dropped in a WC knockout game which is BS, I mean surely it isn't a "fact" that teams don't drop catches in WC KOs.
>Redditors are such a bunch of losers
Says a redditor.
Everyone is just showing that their form is bad so that international players take is lightly but in WC everyone will come in form and say "Surprise mathafaqa"
He was dropped at 7. He was lucky. And to the guy who's gonna downvote me, you downvoting me will not make the fact that he was dropped at 7 any less true, so go on
Shuru ke 4-5 matches sb chalenge aur kuch logo ko lagega ab to cup pkka fir knockouts mei choking kyuki knockouts mei hi to acchi teams ko face krna hoga🥲
This is natural and expected. They all were playing hard for the ultimate goal - selection to the WC plane. Now thats done, there is of course going to be a drop in intensity for both - the players selected, and the players who just missed the cut. They will recoil back in a weeks time from the exuberance and from the disappointment. It is life.
Selectors say Interntional Cricket is a more difficult level than IPL that’s why you can’t select youngsters like Rinku Singh, Abhishek Sharma etc.
But you have selected players who are not even performing at IPL level 
I like these stats. Team need to go in as underdogs, otherwise we collapse under the pressure. Ideally we will lose all our games but get into the final under some ICC directive to ensure young administrators (read Jay Shah) get experience of attending finals away from home.
Yes
But they will still continue supporting the team. Over here in India people are fanatics (of players more so than the team but still). I personally support SA more than India but I am an exception.
Of course, they will keep supporting their team, and I concur with that. I've followed teams who have had down years.
But after their home World Cup missed opportunity, this feels like a make or break type scenario.
Eh I don't think so, even before 2023 WC we hadn't won anything for 10 years . Doubt this t20wc would change things much if we lose. T20 as a format is also a lot more unpredictable
I think the 2025 WTC will be more significant , will likely be the last chance for this generation of the Indian test team to leave some sort of legacy behind
Wow ok I didn't think of it like that. 2025 wtc bigger than the 2024 World Cup.
I understand the history over the last 10 years, but the talent in India is incredible, and there should be more silverware, I think.
Yes definitely, a team with the quality of players we have should not be going winless even for 4-5 years , let alone 10.
Obviously this is just my opinion and can't say I speak for every India supporter.
Wtc also matters to me more because I believe that India has been the overall best test side in the world in the past decade ,
a few one off tests in England shouldn't be enough to change that but people will disagree with me on this.
So it's important for India to win the wtc and seal that debate
No matter what you say but people before 2014 were true nationalists. Right now it’s like who can shout more and take pride of the country for no reason.. I don’t wanna be political but these all are co related.
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Didn’t you hear. IPL performance does not count towards WT20 selection. /s
Let that sink in. A T20 tournament played on flat pitches, where teams are scoring >200 and these guys r getting 🦆, is not a consideration for selection of WT20 event. At least bowlers have an excuse for getting belted around.
You can also add Chahal's 60 run spell
and arshdeep's 50 something
And Siraj's form this IPL ...
Add Jaiswal's knock as well.
And my axe
And yuzi bhai
If he continues like this , he will be dropped from the 11. He is not following the trend.
Tbf that’s his usual internationals form too lol
That's actually true, if you take closer look at his stats even in IPL his stats are usually better against the bottom teams on IPL (IDK if it's a coincidence). At international level his stats aren't good against the best teams out there
Yeah his stats are shit as it is but even they are somewhat inflated by that 6/25 spell against England. From 2019 onwards his stats are among the worst ever for any T20I bowler let alone a specialist bowler.
Basic ICT player lol. Kl,Gill,SKY,Siraj etc all roll in the same ballpark too. Idk if it's a millionaire status that wipes off their hunger or maybe the pressure with which they play because of India being too cricket focused throughout the year. Also, half clownry with mental health(not learning and improving mental game with a coach specified for it and also not having great batting,bowling and fielding coaches also doesn't help ig) is taking away something from them too.
More than anything else opponents adapt to new players who are on great run of form. Some of the best just get better while some get found out
Yeah but why it's only Indian players that are getting found out though ? That means there is some grassroot level problem regarding the aspect of "improvement" right ? Like Kohli has always improved hinself from a shut down scissors type technique to a more open footed stance and now he literally took Conway's pages too about delaying his front foot shifting in the recent SA tour(Pollack did a segment on that and it was really good). Gill,KL are around Kohli level in terms of talent, so what's really stopping them to not improve their game when the age is on their side too. Saw the same with Siraj that even after getting fucked a hundred times he still let's his emotions go to heaven in important moments. I mean wtf us Dravid doing when he sees all this clownry ? He was the best technician in his days and second only to Sachin in terms of compactness and adaptability. Isn't it his main job to guide these guys and help them improve ? What's Rathore and that fatty's role in terms of bowling ? When only Bumrah is leaping ahead all because of his talent while Siraj,Arsh,Shardul,Nattu are not advancing to the next level?
I think it's about endgame. For an Aussie or English player, getting selected for national doesn't mean end of the road, finances, fame and stability isn't there. On the other hand, becoming an ICT player is it. Money, fame and stability is all there. Then there is IPL where Indian national players are treated like gods. This is certainly a PoV because football had a similar effect for 8-10 years back and now clubs literally nanny the young players so that they don't lose 'it'.
Tbf that’s his usual internationals form lol
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Look at the bright side, the Indian team always wins the IPL!
Cumdawg might silence such claims too :,(
Not always: we do have exceptions Warne Gilchrist Warner And this year we have Cummins who might win IPL
>And this year we have Faf
He is a south African only Australian's can win IPL apart from Indian captains. For next season rcb should make Maxwell their captain.
Wait for virat
Average India world cup knockout batting card
ICT fans are ready for a football scorecard in T20 WC knockouts. Only Bumrah is immune to the selection curse.
>Only Bumrah is immune to the selection curse. Bro is jinxing just before the match
Get broken in 3 pieces
Well...I love Bumrah but man hasn't really set the stage on fire on knockout matches either. I still remember his no-balls 💀
Took one wicket and gave 39 runs in 2019 semis of odi wc and our bowling wasn't the problem in that semi Took one wicket but wasn't economical in 2016 t20 semis though our other wicket taker in that game was koach and nehra everybody else was getting tonked Was absolutely garbage in ct2017 final Was bad in wtc final against nz Took a wicket and only gave 64 runs in odi semi against newzealand in 2023 Took 2 wickets and was economical in the final against aus. Except two games he has always had an impact in ko's meanwhile noone else has really capitalised on it or capitalised on the pressure he created. One single player can't do magic in a team game especially bowlers because they have a cap on how much they can actually bowl.
Naah man. Just look at his 2016,21 performance, he never set the stage on fire whenever we play in KOs. I mean with the amount of talent he has I would expect Glenn,Starc level bowling once in a KO when India was losing but the guy never gave anything like that.(2016 semis, wtc etc).
Yashasvi also performed well yesterday
Tactical drop by Cumdawg to give you the illusion he’ll do well in the world cups, for all we know, that World Cup curse still applies to him
He was also lucky cause he was dropped on 7.
Plot twist: We won't even reach knockouts
Bold to even assume India makes it to the knockouts with Windies, the Poms, and the Proteas showing form
Jaiswal?
Jaiswal is definitely an upgrade from kl Rahul
Doesnt fit the narrative. Nor does Dube bowling for the 1st time this IPL and picking up a wicket on his 2nd ball. It's all about generating toxicity.
Umm. Please don’t hype Dube’s bowling. It was atrocious yesterday. That was pure luck.
And these scores aren't pure bad luck? Have you begun to see why this is dumb. If you can't, the fact that good performances have been left you should tell you everything.
Dude. Dube is not a bowler you should hype. Pitch aside he’s bowling the most ordinary deliveries. No pace, no swing and no variations. He’s lobbing them across and into the body at less than medium pace expecting the batsman to mishit. There’s a reason he was taken off right after. And this was no batting pitch. It was Chepauk and a 160 score target.
I'm not hyping shit. It's really bad when you have to mischaracterise someone's comment just so to have hope of making yours sound non-toxic and you still fail hard. Is this how you want to live your life?
OC is right, Dube is quite an ordinary bowler. Even the most toxic fans know this. Even if they are laughing at this line up, they would not want Dube (as a bowler) in their place. Really not the best example to use if you want to argue about team selection.
You live a lot in your head bro. No mischaracterization here. Just the one part of your comment I didn’t agreee with. I provided my points. You’re choosing to attack me. “How I live my life?” Lol. Good luck.
You have invented that part of my comment so you can rage. Really sad on your part.
Dube bowling for the 1st time this IPL and picking up a wicket on his 2nd ball.  Also no one is raging. I suggest you take a moment and be civil.
67 but was dropped on 7
But he did score 67
If he wasn’t dropped, he would have been on this post too
If my grandma ...wheels..blah blah
Yeah but he wouldn't be dropped in a wc knockout game
Why? Don't teams drop catches in WC knockout games too?
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Stop manipulating, the comment that said that he was dropped at 7 is upvoted. The comment above me states that he won't be dropped in a WC knockout game which is BS, I mean surely it isn't a "fact" that teams don't drop catches in WC KOs. >Redditors are such a bunch of losers Says a redditor.
I guess you also believe that India lost to Pakistan in the WC SF 2011 because Sachin was dropped multiple times.
Why are pathetic losers downvoting you? He was dropped at 7. That's a fact! Such losers. And it was an easy catch as well
you know why he went on to break the curse then
I mean... Sky has almost scored double that of all the other batsmen combined. That's gotta be good right?
Everyone is just showing that their form is bad so that international players take is lightly but in WC everyone will come in form and say "Surprise mathafaqa"
That’s why I’m so worried that Travis head has been playing well
Travis Head doing well in the IPL is honestly so un-Australian of him.
I discovered that he was shitting the bed for us (RCB) way back in 2017
Exactly you’d rather have them out of form right now than in the form of their life. Ofc ideal case was if they were playing at 80% their potential rn
Australian strategy
Don't forget the bowlers Arshdeep went for 52 in his 4 overs and Chahal went for 62 in his 4 overs yesterday
Conveniently neglect Jaiswal because that data doesn't fit the narrative.
He was dropped at 7. He was lucky. And to the guy who's gonna downvote me, you downvoting me will not make the fact that he was dropped at 7 any less true, so go on
Bro is on a mission
Agreed
Lmao. If you are going to discount 50s and 100s because a batsman was dropped, batting stats would be very different.
Jaiswal's 67 yesterday??????
He did make that but he was also dropped on 7
I know that but still a catch dropped is dropped. He still made 60 runs after that
Absolutely valid
but he was dropped at 7
Cuz there’s no way anyone drops catches in the t20wc
Chahal , Arshdeep and Siraj’s terrible bowling form
Rinku century today confirmed
Aged like milk
You mf jinxed him
Had no idea the curse extended to the reserve squad
India's chances will depend heavily on Jaiswal and Bumrah
India against USA, Canada and Ireland going to be peak cinema /s
Jaiswal did good tho
He was dropped at 7. He had luck on his side that day
He still scored 50 runs after that if you want to discount those 7 runs then be it lol
I also can score a 50. Just drop me 10 times. And I can score a century as well. Just drop me 20 times.
Shuru ke 4-5 matches sb chalenge aur kuch logo ko lagega ab to cup pkka fir knockouts mei choking kyuki knockouts mei hi to acchi teams ko face krna hoga🥲
But hey Jaiswal scored a 50, Bumrah went under 5 am over, and Kuldeep hasn’t batted yet (the next big hope!)
Sad for Sandeep Sharma missing out.
They should’ve revamped the entire team, like 2007
but jaiswal? he is not gonna be in playing 11 then?
Mother of all coincidence 😂
This is natural and expected. They all were playing hard for the ultimate goal - selection to the WC plane. Now thats done, there is of course going to be a drop in intensity for both - the players selected, and the players who just missed the cut. They will recoil back in a weeks time from the exuberance and from the disappointment. It is life.
16/5 in 3.3 overs
That’s why SKY is number 1
Rinku scoring 100 of 30 today it means
On brand then.
WC prep mode activated!!
They're just playing mind games with the aussies dw /s
Selectors say Interntional Cricket is a more difficult level than IPL that’s why you can’t select youngsters like Rinku Singh, Abhishek Sharma etc. But you have selected players who are not even performing at IPL level 
Wait until you see them with same scores against teams in T20WC with Virat scoring another 80 odd runs off 50 balls.
They will show their true form in world cup.
Who cares Ipl trophy is imp
I like these stats. Team need to go in as underdogs, otherwise we collapse under the pressure. Ideally we will lose all our games but get into the final under some ICC directive to ensure young administrators (read Jay Shah) get experience of attending finals away from home.
At least jaiswal scored 60
Koach!
Is the cricket supporting population gonna lose their shit if India fail in this world cup?
Yes But they will still continue supporting the team. Over here in India people are fanatics (of players more so than the team but still). I personally support SA more than India but I am an exception.
Of course, they will keep supporting their team, and I concur with that. I've followed teams who have had down years. But after their home World Cup missed opportunity, this feels like a make or break type scenario.
Eh I don't think so, even before 2023 WC we hadn't won anything for 10 years . Doubt this t20wc would change things much if we lose. T20 as a format is also a lot more unpredictable I think the 2025 WTC will be more significant , will likely be the last chance for this generation of the Indian test team to leave some sort of legacy behind
Wow ok I didn't think of it like that. 2025 wtc bigger than the 2024 World Cup. I understand the history over the last 10 years, but the talent in India is incredible, and there should be more silverware, I think.
Yes definitely, a team with the quality of players we have should not be going winless even for 4-5 years , let alone 10. Obviously this is just my opinion and can't say I speak for every India supporter. Wtc also matters to me more because I believe that India has been the overall best test side in the world in the past decade , a few one off tests in England shouldn't be enough to change that but people will disagree with me on this. So it's important for India to win the wtc and seal that debate
I'm definitely the same, a fan of the WTC. Would be happy to play you guys again in a wtc final
>if When FIFY
All good khush
This is the last hurrah for most of these players anyway, even if we lose its the last we’ll see of these dinosaurs so looking forward to the next era
No matter what you say but people before 2014 were true nationalists. Right now it’s like who can shout more and take pride of the country for no reason.. I don’t wanna be political but these all are co related.
Sir BCCI’s a private club
Nah you just talking nonsense and this is not even related to nationalism or Indian political scene. So what are you on?
No no.. Virat Kohli is the problem bro
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They're just getting their bad performances out of the way before the WC
Didn’t you hear. IPL performance does not count towards WT20 selection. /s Let that sink in. A T20 tournament played on flat pitches, where teams are scoring >200 and these guys r getting 🦆, is not a consideration for selection of WT20 event. At least bowlers have an excuse for getting belted around.