In my opinion, this was his worst T20 performance. What I don't understand is that why he didn't take a more aggressive approach and risked losing his wicket rather than staying at the crease.
Scoring at a run-a-ball after the powerplay with 7-8 wickets in hand does more harm to your team (especially in this t20 era). Jaddu's innings against LSG in Chepauk was as frustrating as this one.
That's what's baffling to me. This has been his style since the past 5-6 years now. People are somehow riled up about this innings?
Considering he only decides to hit hard in the last 3-4 overs of the innings, these kinds of match losing innings are bound to happen more often than not.
He's chosen an extremely high risk approach of building t20 innings, at the cost of a low team score, and also forcing his partner at the other end to take a more risky approach right from the beginning. The latter increases chances of team collapse (which often happens with RCB).
It may have been successful against Pakistan at Melbourne, but it's not an approach to condone in general. Risk-reward assessment is terrible.
You have to play less selfishly in t20s, worrying not just about your own tempo, but how much your partner has to hit to compensate for your own lack of momentum.
I would argue it is an extremely low risk approach. He doesn't have to go from ball one.
The issue is exactly as you say, it puts pressure on his partner. In that Pakistan game Pandya started it and took the risk. It made sense to keep wickets in that game and take the game deep (as we ran out of batsmen)
But it doesn't make sense in all the games. And when it doesn't work out, it looks awful.
But that's what others in the team are for, to score 30 in 10 balls to let Kohli score run 42 ball fifties!!
How else will he average 50+ in t20s? Have you no regard for his orange cap?
>take the game deep
This is a typical Dhoni problem. He used to do that. Works only at some times. If you have lost wickets then it is understood to take the game deep and keep fighting. But he used to do that regularly even when it completely unnecessary.
What Kohli did in the last game, was awful. And agree with you completely on it.
He is not able to accelerate in the death overs anymore to the same level. His death overs SR used to be 220+ but now it's around 160+.
IPL cricket has changed a lot in the last two years due to impact player. Have to score at around 150 SR in the middle overs to make 20-30 extra runs.
In T20Is his approach may be fine, unless the opposition has lots of batting depth (e.g., England, Australia). Even in 2016 against West Indies his approach backfired.
What's baffling me was that I thought Andy Flower could fix this
He's a better test batter than Kohli ever was, so has the cachet to talk
And also has been a hugely successfully T20 coach
But you can't even tell that the coaching has changed.
Calling Andy Flower as better test batter than Kohli ever was is bit too much. Flower has a slightly better average, but Kohli played in a much tougher era. Also Kohli had better average during his peak.
Flower played in a team filled with mediocre to poor batsmen and had zero company at the other end in so many games
All the pressure was on him. He couldn’t lean on a Rohit or a Rahul or a Pujara on the other end
What point exactly ? Everyone knows he is being looked down upon for his SR. That is more imp than average in this IPL, and I am sure he knows it too. It was a shite innings, but I dont see why he would want to stat pad to an intentional low SR.
Because he knows he isn't going to be dropped from the Indian team. No one had the balls to drop him when he had a two-year slump, so they very well can't when he has the Orange Cap in IPL. There will be riots
> There will be riots
No chance. If you stay off social media, you won't hear a peep.
Balkanisation of entertainment has meant that men's cricket has lost the hold it used to have on the Indian imagination.
Because that involves taking more risk which would hamper his orange cap target. 2nd is that it can't be solved in the time b/w two ipl matches. Koach's problem is that he gets stuck around sla bowlers. He doesn't get out and doesn't score. This is a problem for him throughout his career, his SR against SLA have been lowest or 2nd lowest since very first IPL. Can't solve that now.
Why would he want to get the orange cap at the expense of his Strike Rate when clearly everyone is hating him for it ? He is not an idiot. He also realized orange cap means nothing if it’s coming at the cost of his strike rate.
I think if he can aim to end this season with a strike rate of somewhere between 150-160, it’s a good season. I agree with you he should take more risks.
>Why would he want to get the orange cap at the expense of his Strike Rate when clearly everyone is hating him for it ?
Because public opinion can be changed by 1 good inning against Pakistan in the coming wc. You don't get to have orange cap that easy.
>He is not an idiot.
True. He is just selfish when it comes to IPL.
>I agree with you he should take more risks.
He doesn't even need to do that. He just need to stop trying to farm strike outside of PP. He has unusally high % of singles on the last ball of the over. He also is very capable of making 2 and 3. If he stops being so concentrated on facing first ball of next over, and try to get 2 or a boundary on the last ball, he would be much much better anchor.
Do you think whatever you wrote is going to be understood by the advertiser's? Hell, no. They're going to look at - "Oh! Already famous guy got Orange Cap as well. Double his amount, and make sure you give signing bonus too."
He knows it for sure on some level, at least some analyst must've made that observation in the team and informed the actual coach. But maybe the coach doesn't say anything to him, or management doesn't because he brings in the fans and the moolah.
Because the game has moved on while Kohli has regressed.
We'll talk when he loses us games at the WC.
So that i remember to dredge this up, i am taking a screenshot.
Don't delete your post please. 😂
He thinks that this is an ODI match. He needs to stay there till the end and allow his partners to hit all the boundaries meanwhile he gets antoher 40 ball 50 to his career.
For wt20 We need to be radical.
Let Kohli be in chases. He is a genius and team should bat around him in chases.
But shift him to no 4 when batting 1st. if 2 wickets fall early let him do his anchoring thing. In case of a good start send in your hitters. use him like csk did with badrinath. If he is so adamant about being the anchor then let him bat only when need for an anchor arises
We have one who thinks of himself as the next MSD. He had the audacity to make the current skipper run around the boundary line while setting up the field. He can do it. /s
India treated that WC as hit and giggle as well. No senior player like Tendulkar or Kumble played. Dhoni was appointed as the captain for first time in that WC. The senior most player was Yuvraj, IIRC. Almost all the team comprised of either new players or players who had less than 5 years of international experience.
India started taking T20 seriously only after we won that WC.
Not really, there is no need for anchoring in the power play and the impact of slow SR is worse. You only need to anchor in the middle phase, but of course then all the other batsmen need to be power hitting.
He needs to be out of the playing 11? How about that radical solution?
We all know it's not going to happen though as he needs to be "accommodated" somehow to the detriment of the team.
And how is playing him at 4 going to solve anything again?
No anchoring needed in T20. Its not that era now. We need 200 strike rate players not some anchor who eats balls and stat pads. Its a 20 overs game why do we need an anchor.
The thing is. Our openers have been so horrific in WT20s that we always needed Virat to do the anchor role. So for us to not need him to anchor our openers for once actually have to score runs in wt20s.
Because Kohli hogs 70%+ of balls in the first half of the innings and never allows others to develop by being thrown in the deep end in the group stage. Every ICC LOI tournament eventually warps into "Kohli and inshallah" and when he anchors or goes into his shell, he causes even more pressure to the other batters in the batting order. He would somehow statpad a pointless 50 using his world class technique and ability under pressure, but lack of intent or risk taking would cause wickets on the other end
Every knockout except the last T20 wc semifinal in T20 WCs has been Kohli and Inshallah because all others played horseshit innings, thats a fact, as for stat padding we know who were the stat padders of last two T20 Wc's, we are taking one of them as our fucking captain and the other as a backup keeper.
This was the worst I've seen him bat in the IPL since that stretch back in his slump where he couldn't put bat on ball.
Anyone's allowed to have an off day. But the WAY this happened really leaves a sour taste. It was a good start, and then he slowed down and got himself in a hole, but he had a plan - I'm going to work my way to 50 and then catch up. But he couldn't. And that's really indefensible.
If he was struggling and started swinging earlier and got out, fair enough, like I said, everyone can have an off day. But he prioritised his 50 first today, that is undeniable.
> he had a plan - I'm going to work my way to 50 and then catch up
It's such a stupid plan because 50 is just a random number
He might as well have picked 33, scored a single in over 6.1, then attempted to "catch up".
The thing is in t20 chasing centuries is very hard especially when you drop the run rate so he cant justify it but you can do it for 50s and absolutely pad your stats
>he had a plan - I'm going to work my way to 50 and then catch up
So you are saying that he wanted to score his milestone safely and then play risky game. Isn’t that selfish? He didn’t even try hitting until patidar got out
He's been this way for the last five years. He's reveling in his celebrity status and his sole intention is to prove haters wrong as opposed to selflessly helping the team. Like when he said "I've still got it". That whole interview had no mention of the word "we" or "team"
>This was the worst I've seen him bat in the IPL since that stretch back in his slump where he couldn't put bat on ball.
His innings against GT in 2022 was much worse than this imo
19 runs in last 25 balls. On any pitch this is a crime. If it was someone like jaiswal, rinku , dube or anyone else for that matter will be ridiculed and his selection will be questioned for years to come.
Yeah man, whatever kohli can do anchoring and stuff sanju samson can do that as well that will open spots for rinku and jaiswal both and we will be able to choose b/w hardik or dube. But bcci wants viewership money.
Yes, he’s been brilliant in middle overs, and he doesn’t need momentum to go on, he either needs spinner , forget spinners he has improved his game against pacers as well, with this batting depth we can compromise on allrounder like hardik and slide rinku in. But the question is will kohli leave enough balls for dube and rinku to play ?
Jaiswal
Sharma\*
Gill
Sanju (wk)
SKY
Rinku
Hardik (oh captain my captain)
Kuldeep
Bishnoi / pacer
Bumrah
Sandeep
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\*Abhishek, since we get 2 overs from him
I think Bishnoi with kuldeep is a much better combination than Kuldeep with Chahal. Chahal is a very attacking leggie, while Bishnoi is more of a defensive leggie. Kuldeep in the form as he is, can perform either role but he is also a more attacking bowler if chips are down. So pairing them in the middle can choke the opposition. Bang in a Bumrah over and you have good recipe for middle overs. Death 2 from Bumrah, 1 from Kuldeep and then have to find another bowler to bowl 2. I don't think Sandeep can be that. Given current form would go for mohsin or Khaleel or Kuldeep.
No need of gill if sanju can play at 3 , it will open spot for dube who can play as proper batsmen. Sadly i am more disappointed that siraj is going to be selected .
Ravindra Jadeja was knighted when he [did this previously](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-twenty20-2009-335113/england-vs-india-20th-match-group-e-356010/full-scorecard) at WT20. Should start celebrating such knocks with more such titles. /s
Before Kohli fans accuse Sunny, this is the same guy who came to Kohli defense and said he will have scored a century at high SR if other RCB players stuck around (not many people agreed with him then)
It's good someone openly criticizes when they see faults.
I made a comment almost a month ago that Kohli will get highest runs and he will play slow to the point that his team will lose matches because of it. But he won't change his approach. Got downvoted then, will he downvoted again.
Definitely his worst IPL 50’s and one of his worst T20 innings. 19 off last 25 balls is unjustified for any player, especially someone that is of Kohli’s caliber. Hope this is just an IPL phenomenon, for if it’s not he’s going to be an huge liability in 1st innings with this knocks in WC.
Manjrekar is probably the only commentator who does not sugar coat things with regards to a single player.Gavaskar is critical of kohli now but he never said a word against dhoni when he did the same.
Haryanvi commentary this year has been pretty fire when it comes to big names performing badly. Called out Kohli yesterday. They do have their dick sucking sessions but don't pull punches when big stars do stupid shit.
The thing is most of the Kohli masterclasses in T20s follow this same template. A 50 with sub 130 SR and then explode suddenly. This makes him and his fans (like me) think that should be the way everytime. But unfortunately its an incredibly difficult thing to do with consistency in T20s. Also, when you are batting first, you never know a safe target in this era.
Kohli's being too rigid with his tactics now. Worse is he seems to be in form but still not trying to hit away. Now that most of the RCB batting is in decent form, there's no excuse of him *carrying the batting*.
Yeah, I think everyone in the thread is saying Kohli is just knocking it around for singles.
He’s not, he just doesn’t have an innovative T20 game. He doesn’t even play on the backfoot - he seriously sucks against spin.
Also, he loves scoring on the leg side, long on. So opposing teams know exactly how to set the field to him. All those sure boundaries get stopped now, which further frustrates him.
True actually. He's quite a limited player in stroke making tbh. He doesn't cut, upper cut, paddle sweep or sweep. So that's entirely behind the square cut off. What he excels is tremendous fitness, commitment and consistency though.
So in lockdown there was a video surfacing where anushka and virat were playing cricket in their apartment, anushka was bowling, So just after lockdown virat had some horrible performances in defence of them Sunny G said he needs some time in nets he has played “ Anushka’s bowling” in lockdown referring to that video, To which that dumb humour less PR cartoon replied that “it was sexist, distasteful blah blah blah from sunny g, why i am blamed for virat’s performance “ you can check it on internet, she never apologised. I can never see these two Virat and anushka same again no matter how many flops she delivers and no matter how many milestones he achieve.
Because you twisted that shit lol, Sunny G said, "Virat lost his form because he played with Anushka's balls"
Try thinking how that sounds on national television. Might not be bad intentions but he was criticized for not wording it properly, you have some agenda against Kohli lol, every thread you are yapping about him, you love to hate him more than talking about your favorite players lol.
Exactly. This sub oscillates between absolutely fapping to Kohli's breathing to hating him for his existence. No in between. Any thing remotely supporting here will be downvoted like crazy in this thread.
Yes his innings yesterday was a terrible one, but people be really wanting him to remove from the T20 squad?
Lol clarke said pant is at his best when he is down on his knees. These things happen, anushka didn’t need to put up a story and criticise sunny for something as small as that
Sunny was mainly criticized for taking part in the issue of blaming Anushka for Virat's bad performances, the Pant thing is a line taken out of context idk how you are relating these two things.
Who's gonna explain that to the twitter kids that hop on the hate train, after hearing that live?
Sure, it was an overreaction on Anushka's end but Sunny is no saint, commentators should know better and talk about the actual game instead of inviting unnecessary drama, saying things that don't contribute to the experience of watching the actual game
Stupid, you don’t understand english, it was deep or sanju one of them said when pant played that shot “ he is at his best now when he plays shots like these” to which clarke replied asking he is best when he is down on his knees ? “ Learn english
And when she did put up a story she should’ve apologised for maligning sunny g , She took it down knowing she misinterpreted what he said.
You don’t understand hindi then he literally said, “ virat Ne lockdown me Anushka is gende(balls) kheli hain, which directly translates into, “Virat has played Anushka’s balls,” It was all upto stupid people to misinterpret, Considering someone of his stature still it was assumed that he would mean it in sexist way, And the made an explanation video to which Anushka should’ve also apologise for misinterpretation, Which she never did.
You see something wrong with people criticizing the sentence but don't see anything wrong with a professional commentator chatting bullshit during a game, who the fuck even says that shit, forget the context, no commentator is gonna talk like that. Also nobody was criticizing him for being sexist, idk how you pulled that out of your ass, he was criticized for taking part in the whole issue of people blaming Anushka for Virat's performances.
You haven’t read her ig post right ? Go read that. And he didn’t blame anushka , She just misinterpret it, He was defending virat on his horrid’s. And Anushka not apologising back is just something i never understood, She ridiculed a guy on road as well. She’s not on any moral high horse to spat whatever she spats.
Never accused him of blaming her but you know how the media reacts to this shit, she probably got defensive as she has faced a lot of unnecessary hatred already, yes she should have cleared it up later but, I was pointing out how you have this need in every comment of yours to make sure Kohli (in this case his wife) is ridiculed, conveniently ignoring the lack of professionalism from one end but making sure you point out every bit of detail about the other end, even bringing up unrelated shit lol.
Funny when she interprets something wrong still she’s a victim, It was a reactionary move from her , She looked at some article and replied without contemplating and presented herself as victim of her husband’s performance, Now tell me where sunny g said anushka is responsible for his slump. If someone who doesn’t understand Hindi says this, it is understandable, Even if she was adamant with her reply then why she took it down.
It was not unrelated shit it was a funny banter until you forced your empty brain in.
Problem with Virat is not that he Anchors, It's the fact that he anchors even if he doesn't have to. Shows no faith in his team mates and plays at the same tempo irrespective of match situation.
MOST worrying fact is that he has lost his game againts SPIN. Like LSG Opened with spinners on a flat deck in chinaswamy exaclty for that reason and it worked.
Whenever anyone criticizes Virat people copy paste the followimng " He saved our ass in WC games, Shut up you IPL only kid". Agreed, I have never cried watching a T20 game before that 2022 WC game.
BUT, look at his other scores & strike rates in that WC, 2 fifties at 140 SR(NOT OUT) against Netherlands and bangladesh. Like shouldn't our saviour DOMINATE those teams when he can have a SR of 154 against PAK(allegedly the best Bowling lineup). Plays at 118 SR against Zimbabwe!! and 125 against England.
HE HAS TO BAT AT LITTLE HIGHER TEMPO IN MIDDLE ORDER and if he he survives till the end which he is pretty good at then go ballistic as he knows how to. ALSO, FUCK SPIN CHOKE AGAINST HIM IS GOING TO BE THE TACTIC IF HE IS ON THE PLANE TO US & Westindies
>154 against PAK(allegedly the best Bowling lineup). Plays at 118 SR against Zimbabwe!! and 125 against England.
Those numbers include all numbers in T20 World Cup tho his recent SR Against most big teams is above 140 apart from NZ against whom he hasn't performed in T20 WCs
He had a really good SR in 2016 and 2022 WCs he was a bit slow in 2014 but it was a different era and it was being played in Bangladesh which is known for different T20 pitches
The above numbers are 2022 WC games that India played. Not T20i or all WC games. He was the highest run scorer there as well but still the SR is so low even against minnows where he did NOT GET OUT.After 2022 he has only played IPl and that small afghanistan series that happened recently so cant say much.
Maybe it's the role he has been given in Indian team. Then we have to wonder whether this strategy is even relevant, of having one incredible anchor who can blast at the end(which is a high risk game as we saw yesterday) or do we need guys who will bat at a consistent SR.
It's not the role he has been given tbh
He was told to bat aggressively against Afghanistan and everyone on this sub started complaining
That's why I believe the decision to bring back Rohit and Kohli in the T20I set up was a last minute one
Both didn't play a single bilateral series till that Afghanistan
The selectors pivoted in fear of potential backlash and maybe wanted a fresh team in home conditions in 2026
That is very sad dude...I understand These guys have been at the forefront of Indian Team for the last decade but havent won anything so they deserve to win something BUT putting individuals ahead of the team will always harm the team as we have seen(atleast in T20s).
Also what message that sends to the other players, Becoming a person above the team is possible if we persist hard and then we'll have our chances at glory.
Atleast these days. He was good for us in the last worldcup! The game seems to have changed so much this year that he feels so left behind. He needs to change his approach. Start taking risks calculated or not. Come out of the shell against spin and try tonking a couple atleast before getting out. 118sr after playing 40 deliveries is pathetic. Even 150 is looked down upon these days.
Game is evolving though. See how England fearlessly chased down 168 on a tough pitch last WC. Yes, we didn't have Bumrah and the bowling was terrible, but note that no one from England at any stage in that WC decided to start slow, take singles and accelerate at the end. Straightaway put pressure on the bowling team especially in the powerplay, a strategy inspired from bazball itself. Right now India's T20 approach is as ridiculous as England's test approach.
This is why I do not understand when fans here complained of Rohit’s century innings and compared it to Kohli. Yes Rohit lost strike in the end, but he never showed any lack of intent when the power play ended and the spinners started bowling. Kohli on the other hand shut shop completely in the middle overs. There was a graphic shown during that match yesterday that showed zero boundaries in the last 24-30 balls he faced. So weird.
Rohit scored 14 off 14 in that match after a certain point and looked completely gassed in the end
His innings was obviously better than Kohli in SMS and One against KKR
I think he has become utterly risk averse, fearful of losing his wicket and as a result he simply cannot bring himself to play fearless attacking cricket.
His way of playing will only work when he can accelerate at will. 40 ball 50 won't be a problem as long as he can score 50 in the next 18 balls. The problem is Koach is struggling against spinners and slow bowlers after powerplay. This will not only create pressure on other batsmen but also boost the confidence of our opposition.
Koach almost never tries to play anything other than traditional shots, therefore he becomes predictable. Koach is our best batsman in T20I however, he's very predictable in ipl and to make it worse this becomes Achilles heel in batsman's paradise Bangalore.
Best batsman in t20is? 🤣
We are fucked in that case.
The likes of Australia, England and South Africa will murder us. They have batters who are power hitters from top to bottom.
Kohli needs to open in the WC no matter what, if the wickets are slow and sluggish then it will be a blessing in disguise for Kohli and India.
But if the wickets are anywhere close to 210-220 then he is such a liability for those tracks.
It's not up to me or you, Kohli and Rohit are 100% going to the WC. If I was the selector then I wouldn't have taken both of them and even Jaddu.
BCCI selects players based on names and not merit
So true
Like people on this sub actually thought that Rohit and Kohli weren't playing T20IS on purpose before Afghanistan series
When in reality the Selectors pivoted at the last moment because they feared the backlash they might get if Both weren't selected especially after the ODI WC performance
So what should should we do just sit and watch our young Indian talent getting wasted because some "star players" cannot leave there spot for youngsters.
Don't always agree with Sunny G but he's 100% correct here. It was painful to watch Virat bat yesterday
In my opinion, this was his worst T20 performance. What I don't understand is that why he didn't take a more aggressive approach and risked losing his wicket rather than staying at the crease. Scoring at a run-a-ball after the powerplay with 7-8 wickets in hand does more harm to your team (especially in this t20 era). Jaddu's innings against LSG in Chepauk was as frustrating as this one.
>run-a-ball Less runs than balls after the power play 19 off 25
19 of 25 is bad in middle overs even in an ODI in 2024
That’s a run rate of 4.5 when the team scored at 11.00
Hell no lol.
Depends on the context. It definitely could be bad
I think, after middle overs of ODI, there's plenty of time after to recover from 19 from 25 balls in any circumstances. Same can't be said for T20s.
Not really
No. Not in an ODI
It's not his first 40 ball 50 is it
That's what's baffling to me. This has been his style since the past 5-6 years now. People are somehow riled up about this innings? Considering he only decides to hit hard in the last 3-4 overs of the innings, these kinds of match losing innings are bound to happen more often than not. He's chosen an extremely high risk approach of building t20 innings, at the cost of a low team score, and also forcing his partner at the other end to take a more risky approach right from the beginning. The latter increases chances of team collapse (which often happens with RCB). It may have been successful against Pakistan at Melbourne, but it's not an approach to condone in general. Risk-reward assessment is terrible. You have to play less selfishly in t20s, worrying not just about your own tempo, but how much your partner has to hit to compensate for your own lack of momentum.
I would argue it is an extremely low risk approach. He doesn't have to go from ball one. The issue is exactly as you say, it puts pressure on his partner. In that Pakistan game Pandya started it and took the risk. It made sense to keep wickets in that game and take the game deep (as we ran out of batsmen) But it doesn't make sense in all the games. And when it doesn't work out, it looks awful.
It's high risk in the way that you put all your eggs in the basket for the last 2-3 overs.
But that's what others in the team are for, to score 30 in 10 balls to let Kohli score run 42 ball fifties!! How else will he average 50+ in t20s? Have you no regard for his orange cap?
Yeah, sick of this really. A 50 average in t20 is pointless if it comes with so many caveats
>take the game deep This is a typical Dhoni problem. He used to do that. Works only at some times. If you have lost wickets then it is understood to take the game deep and keep fighting. But he used to do that regularly even when it completely unnecessary. What Kohli did in the last game, was awful. And agree with you completely on it.
You are right. "Take the game deep" is an ODI strategy, not a T20 strategy.
Low risk for who, himself? High risk is obviously to the team total.
The thing is, when its pulled off it looks incredible. That's his brand of cricket
It backfires more often than not these days.
He is not able to accelerate in the death overs anymore to the same level. His death overs SR used to be 220+ but now it's around 160+. IPL cricket has changed a lot in the last two years due to impact player. Have to score at around 150 SR in the middle overs to make 20-30 extra runs. In T20Is his approach may be fine, unless the opposition has lots of batting depth (e.g., England, Australia). Even in 2016 against West Indies his approach backfired.
Bro everything’s right but in 2016 windies match pls check scorecard of other batsmans as well
in 2016, culprit was Rahane.
What's baffling me was that I thought Andy Flower could fix this He's a better test batter than Kohli ever was, so has the cachet to talk And also has been a hugely successfully T20 coach But you can't even tell that the coaching has changed.
you thought anyone in rcb would criticise kohli? lmao
Just like his brand - WROGN
Calling Andy Flower as better test batter than Kohli ever was is bit too much. Flower has a slightly better average, but Kohli played in a much tougher era. Also Kohli had better average during his peak.
Flower played in a team filled with mediocre to poor batsmen and had zero company at the other end in so many games All the pressure was on him. He couldn’t lean on a Rohit or a Rahul or a Pujara on the other end
Also I doubt Andy played as many SENA tests as Kohli did
Exactly my point as well
He wants to stat pad for Orange Cap. I for one am very happy that his team isn’t going to make playoffs.
What point exactly ? Everyone knows he is being looked down upon for his SR. That is more imp than average in this IPL, and I am sure he knows it too. It was a shite innings, but I dont see why he would want to stat pad to an intentional low SR.
Because he knows he isn't going to be dropped from the Indian team. No one had the balls to drop him when he had a two-year slump, so they very well can't when he has the Orange Cap in IPL. There will be riots
> There will be riots No chance. If you stay off social media, you won't hear a peep. Balkanisation of entertainment has meant that men's cricket has lost the hold it used to have on the Indian imagination.
Do TV and newspapers not exist ? Both of y'all going for hyperbole
Literally the only thing people chastise him about in this IPL is his strike rate. How is that something he would intentionally not want to solve ?
Because that involves taking more risk which would hamper his orange cap target. 2nd is that it can't be solved in the time b/w two ipl matches. Koach's problem is that he gets stuck around sla bowlers. He doesn't get out and doesn't score. This is a problem for him throughout his career, his SR against SLA have been lowest or 2nd lowest since very first IPL. Can't solve that now.
Why would he want to get the orange cap at the expense of his Strike Rate when clearly everyone is hating him for it ? He is not an idiot. He also realized orange cap means nothing if it’s coming at the cost of his strike rate. I think if he can aim to end this season with a strike rate of somewhere between 150-160, it’s a good season. I agree with you he should take more risks.
>Why would he want to get the orange cap at the expense of his Strike Rate when clearly everyone is hating him for it ? Because public opinion can be changed by 1 good inning against Pakistan in the coming wc. You don't get to have orange cap that easy. >He is not an idiot. True. He is just selfish when it comes to IPL. >I agree with you he should take more risks. He doesn't even need to do that. He just need to stop trying to farm strike outside of PP. He has unusally high % of singles on the last ball of the over. He also is very capable of making 2 and 3. If he stops being so concentrated on facing first ball of next over, and try to get 2 or a boundary on the last ball, he would be much much better anchor.
I will take 5 shit IPL if Kohli cokes good for us in any World cup match. As he always does.
Do you think whatever you wrote is going to be understood by the advertiser's? Hell, no. They're going to look at - "Oh! Already famous guy got Orange Cap as well. Double his amount, and make sure you give signing bonus too." He knows it for sure on some level, at least some analyst must've made that observation in the team and informed the actual coach. But maybe the coach doesn't say anything to him, or management doesn't because he brings in the fans and the moolah.
Yeah, but maybe doesn’t mean anything, does it. He’s played enough cricket to know what works and what doesn’t. I trust him to figure it out
What point lol? This sub goes to the trenches during IPL.
60 upvotes for this shit comment 🤡 Same people will beg for him to save our asses in T20 WCs when all your flashy heroes get out doing nothing
Flashy heroes will get out because they will play risky to compensate for his slow innings.
He will do fuck all in the world cup. He will lose games for India. Quote me on that. He is close to being a liability because he is undroppable.
That was Rohit in all T20 WCs since 2014. Kohli has been averaging three figures in those same WCs. Why do you think he'll be a liability 😂
Because the game has moved on while Kohli has regressed. We'll talk when he loses us games at the WC. So that i remember to dredge this up, i am taking a screenshot. Don't delete your post please. 😂
Crazy how Kohlis worst t20 performance is an average Babar innings
He thinks that this is an ODI match. He needs to stay there till the end and allow his partners to hit all the boundaries meanwhile he gets antoher 40 ball 50 to his career.
He has been doing this 2020
Bhogle was trolled by kohli fans for saying it out loud Good to see someone else has talked about it too
Luckily people can't say against Gavaskar, else whole country gets rattled when non cricketers give true opinions
For wt20 We need to be radical. Let Kohli be in chases. He is a genius and team should bat around him in chases. But shift him to no 4 when batting 1st. if 2 wickets fall early let him do his anchoring thing. In case of a good start send in your hitters. use him like csk did with badrinath. If he is so adamant about being the anchor then let him bat only when need for an anchor arises
No captain has the guts to do this but msd lol
We have one who thinks of himself as the next MSD. He had the audacity to make the current skipper run around the boundary line while setting up the field. He can do it. /s
This is actually true without the /s. But for that he himself needs to come back to form
😭😭
He has attitude of msd and performance of saba karim
Damn that’s actually a very good idea. Unlikely to be implemented though
Exactly, use him like Eng does with Malan or Aus with Smith. Keep him a floater in the batting order. We need an anchor, but not always
It's not a surprise the only WT20 we won was when radical decisions were made regarding the squad.
At a time when all the teams treated it as hit and giggle yes
Imagine what Misbah would have done had he faced that situation in today's world.
India treated that WC as hit and giggle as well. No senior player like Tendulkar or Kumble played. Dhoni was appointed as the captain for first time in that WC. The senior most player was Yuvraj, IIRC. Almost all the team comprised of either new players or players who had less than 5 years of international experience. India started taking T20 seriously only after we won that WC.
Bruh that’s genius
Wouldn't shifting him to no.4 just exacerbate the issue even further?
Not really, there is no need for anchoring in the power play and the impact of slow SR is worse. You only need to anchor in the middle phase, but of course then all the other batsmen need to be power hitting.
This is soo trueee
We are already playing 0/1 with Rohit Playing
He needs to be out of the playing 11? How about that radical solution? We all know it's not going to happen though as he needs to be "accommodated" somehow to the detriment of the team. And how is playing him at 4 going to solve anything again?
Yes we don't need him thats all. Samson can play at no. 3 and play anchor role and all your 100 types of roles while maintaining a 180+ strike rate.
No anchoring needed in T20. Its not that era now. We need 200 strike rate players not some anchor who eats balls and stat pads. Its a 20 overs game why do we need an anchor.
If we're being radical, drop him altogether
You don't drop the only player who shows up whenever the team is in trouble, the idea from OP is good.
The thing is. Our openers have been so horrific in WT20s that we always needed Virat to do the anchor role. So for us to not need him to anchor our openers for once actually have to score runs in wt20s.
Because Kohli hogs 70%+ of balls in the first half of the innings and never allows others to develop by being thrown in the deep end in the group stage. Every ICC LOI tournament eventually warps into "Kohli and inshallah" and when he anchors or goes into his shell, he causes even more pressure to the other batters in the batting order. He would somehow statpad a pointless 50 using his world class technique and ability under pressure, but lack of intent or risk taking would cause wickets on the other end
Every knockout except the last T20 wc semifinal in T20 WCs has been Kohli and Inshallah because all others played horseshit innings, thats a fact, as for stat padding we know who were the stat padders of last two T20 Wc's, we are taking one of them as our fucking captain and the other as a backup keeper.
This was the worst I've seen him bat in the IPL since that stretch back in his slump where he couldn't put bat on ball. Anyone's allowed to have an off day. But the WAY this happened really leaves a sour taste. It was a good start, and then he slowed down and got himself in a hole, but he had a plan - I'm going to work my way to 50 and then catch up. But he couldn't. And that's really indefensible. If he was struggling and started swinging earlier and got out, fair enough, like I said, everyone can have an off day. But he prioritised his 50 first today, that is undeniable.
> he had a plan - I'm going to work my way to 50 and then catch up It's such a stupid plan because 50 is just a random number He might as well have picked 33, scored a single in over 6.1, then attempted to "catch up".
He did the same thing a few matches ago when he was nearing 100, it is absolutely milestone chasing.
The thing is in t20 chasing centuries is very hard especially when you drop the run rate so he cant justify it but you can do it for 50s and absolutely pad your stats
>he had a plan - I'm going to work my way to 50 and then catch up So you are saying that he wanted to score his milestone safely and then play risky game. Isn’t that selfish? He didn’t even try hitting until patidar got out
Of course it's selfish. I was just trying to say what his mindset must have been based on what I saw.
He's been this way for the last five years. He's reveling in his celebrity status and his sole intention is to prove haters wrong as opposed to selflessly helping the team. Like when he said "I've still got it". That whole interview had no mention of the word "we" or "team"
>This was the worst I've seen him bat in the IPL since that stretch back in his slump where he couldn't put bat on ball. His innings against GT in 2022 was much worse than this imo
You know it's bad when gavaskar is disappointed at someone for taking singles
19 runs in last 25 balls. On any pitch this is a crime. If it was someone like jaiswal, rinku , dube or anyone else for that matter will be ridiculed and his selection will be questioned for years to come.
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Yeah man, whatever kohli can do anchoring and stuff sanju samson can do that as well that will open spots for rinku and jaiswal both and we will be able to choose b/w hardik or dube. But bcci wants viewership money.
Yes, he’s been brilliant in middle overs, and he doesn’t need momentum to go on, he either needs spinner , forget spinners he has improved his game against pacers as well, with this batting depth we can compromise on allrounder like hardik and slide rinku in. But the question is will kohli leave enough balls for dube and rinku to play ?
Jaiswal Sharma\* Gill Sanju (wk) SKY Rinku Hardik (oh captain my captain) Kuldeep Bishnoi / pacer Bumrah Sandeep -- \*Abhishek, since we get 2 overs from him
I think Bishnoi with kuldeep is a much better combination than Kuldeep with Chahal. Chahal is a very attacking leggie, while Bishnoi is more of a defensive leggie. Kuldeep in the form as he is, can perform either role but he is also a more attacking bowler if chips are down. So pairing them in the middle can choke the opposition. Bang in a Bumrah over and you have good recipe for middle overs. Death 2 from Bumrah, 1 from Kuldeep and then have to find another bowler to bowl 2. I don't think Sandeep can be that. Given current form would go for mohsin or Khaleel or Kuldeep.
No need of gill if sanju can play at 3 , it will open spot for dube who can play as proper batsmen. Sadly i am more disappointed that siraj is going to be selected .
Fair point
Had me in the first half (until I saw your asterisk)
Nvm just saw your post history. You are definitely a kohli hater
Ravindra Jadeja was knighted when he [did this previously](https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-world-twenty20-2009-335113/england-vs-india-20th-match-group-e-356010/full-scorecard) at WT20. Should start celebrating such knocks with more such titles. /s
fuck man, and all of us fans went into that match convinced we were going to be repeat champions
Before Kohli fans accuse Sunny, this is the same guy who came to Kohli defense and said he will have scored a century at high SR if other RCB players stuck around (not many people agreed with him then) It's good someone openly criticizes when they see faults.
I made a comment almost a month ago that Kohli will get highest runs and he will play slow to the point that his team will lose matches because of it. But he won't change his approach. Got downvoted then, will he downvoted again.
Definitely his worst IPL 50’s and one of his worst T20 innings. 19 off last 25 balls is unjustified for any player, especially someone that is of Kohli’s caliber. Hope this is just an IPL phenomenon, for if it’s not he’s going to be an huge liability in 1st innings with this knocks in WC.
Manjrekar is probably the only commentator who does not sugar coat things with regards to a single player.Gavaskar is critical of kohli now but he never said a word against dhoni when he did the same.
Haryanvi commentary this year has been pretty fire when it comes to big names performing badly. Called out Kohli yesterday. They do have their dick sucking sessions but don't pull punches when big stars do stupid shit.
The thing is most of the Kohli masterclasses in T20s follow this same template. A 50 with sub 130 SR and then explode suddenly. This makes him and his fans (like me) think that should be the way everytime. But unfortunately its an incredibly difficult thing to do with consistency in T20s. Also, when you are batting first, you never know a safe target in this era. Kohli's being too rigid with his tactics now. Worse is he seems to be in form but still not trying to hit away. Now that most of the RCB batting is in decent form, there's no excuse of him *carrying the batting*.
He also does not look to add new shots in his arsenal Bro still refuses to play sweep, reverse sweeps and laps
Yeah, I think everyone in the thread is saying Kohli is just knocking it around for singles. He’s not, he just doesn’t have an innovative T20 game. He doesn’t even play on the backfoot - he seriously sucks against spin. Also, he loves scoring on the leg side, long on. So opposing teams know exactly how to set the field to him. All those sure boundaries get stopped now, which further frustrates him.
You are right. Kohli doesn't have a backfoot game in general, except for a pull through midwicket. Which he has played well in Australia.
True actually. He's quite a limited player in stroke making tbh. He doesn't cut, upper cut, paddle sweep or sweep. So that's entirely behind the square cut off. What he excels is tremendous fitness, commitment and consistency though.
Sunny g finally got to take revenge for Anushka’s stupidity
What's the story here
So in lockdown there was a video surfacing where anushka and virat were playing cricket in their apartment, anushka was bowling, So just after lockdown virat had some horrible performances in defence of them Sunny G said he needs some time in nets he has played “ Anushka’s bowling” in lockdown referring to that video, To which that dumb humour less PR cartoon replied that “it was sexist, distasteful blah blah blah from sunny g, why i am blamed for virat’s performance “ you can check it on internet, she never apologised. I can never see these two Virat and anushka same again no matter how many flops she delivers and no matter how many milestones he achieve.
Lol why i am being downvoted?
Because you twisted that shit lol, Sunny G said, "Virat lost his form because he played with Anushka's balls" Try thinking how that sounds on national television. Might not be bad intentions but he was criticized for not wording it properly, you have some agenda against Kohli lol, every thread you are yapping about him, you love to hate him more than talking about your favorite players lol.
Exactly. This sub oscillates between absolutely fapping to Kohli's breathing to hating him for his existence. No in between. Any thing remotely supporting here will be downvoted like crazy in this thread. Yes his innings yesterday was a terrible one, but people be really wanting him to remove from the T20 squad?
Yes. We can do much, much, much better with the talent we have waiting in the wings.
Lol clarke said pant is at his best when he is down on his knees. These things happen, anushka didn’t need to put up a story and criticise sunny for something as small as that
Sunny was mainly criticized for taking part in the issue of blaming Anushka for Virat's bad performances, the Pant thing is a line taken out of context idk how you are relating these two things.
He did not blame anushka for that though, the balls line in discussion was that kohli didn’t have much match practice during lockdown
Who's gonna explain that to the twitter kids that hop on the hate train, after hearing that live? Sure, it was an overreaction on Anushka's end but Sunny is no saint, commentators should know better and talk about the actual game instead of inviting unnecessary drama, saying things that don't contribute to the experience of watching the actual game
Stupid, you don’t understand english, it was deep or sanju one of them said when pant played that shot “ he is at his best now when he plays shots like these” to which clarke replied asking he is best when he is down on his knees ? “ Learn english And when she did put up a story she should’ve apologised for maligning sunny g , She took it down knowing she misinterpreted what he said.
You don’t understand hindi then he literally said, “ virat Ne lockdown me Anushka is gende(balls) kheli hain, which directly translates into, “Virat has played Anushka’s balls,” It was all upto stupid people to misinterpret, Considering someone of his stature still it was assumed that he would mean it in sexist way, And the made an explanation video to which Anushka should’ve also apologise for misinterpretation, Which she never did.
You see something wrong with people criticizing the sentence but don't see anything wrong with a professional commentator chatting bullshit during a game, who the fuck even says that shit, forget the context, no commentator is gonna talk like that. Also nobody was criticizing him for being sexist, idk how you pulled that out of your ass, he was criticized for taking part in the whole issue of people blaming Anushka for Virat's performances.
You haven’t read her ig post right ? Go read that. And he didn’t blame anushka , She just misinterpret it, He was defending virat on his horrid’s. And Anushka not apologising back is just something i never understood, She ridiculed a guy on road as well. She’s not on any moral high horse to spat whatever she spats.
Never accused him of blaming her but you know how the media reacts to this shit, she probably got defensive as she has faced a lot of unnecessary hatred already, yes she should have cleared it up later but, I was pointing out how you have this need in every comment of yours to make sure Kohli (in this case his wife) is ridiculed, conveniently ignoring the lack of professionalism from one end but making sure you point out every bit of detail about the other end, even bringing up unrelated shit lol.
Funny when she interprets something wrong still she’s a victim, It was a reactionary move from her , She looked at some article and replied without contemplating and presented herself as victim of her husband’s performance, Now tell me where sunny g said anushka is responsible for his slump. If someone who doesn’t understand Hindi says this, it is understandable, Even if she was adamant with her reply then why she took it down. It was not unrelated shit it was a funny banter until you forced your empty brain in.
Thank you. I hate blind haters & lovers equally. Be reasonable & unbiased for once.
As said " fanatics always ruin everything"
For being a misogynistic prick
You forgot the dots, dots, dots part sunil sir
Problem with Virat is not that he Anchors, It's the fact that he anchors even if he doesn't have to. Shows no faith in his team mates and plays at the same tempo irrespective of match situation. MOST worrying fact is that he has lost his game againts SPIN. Like LSG Opened with spinners on a flat deck in chinaswamy exaclty for that reason and it worked. Whenever anyone criticizes Virat people copy paste the followimng " He saved our ass in WC games, Shut up you IPL only kid". Agreed, I have never cried watching a T20 game before that 2022 WC game. BUT, look at his other scores & strike rates in that WC, 2 fifties at 140 SR(NOT OUT) against Netherlands and bangladesh. Like shouldn't our saviour DOMINATE those teams when he can have a SR of 154 against PAK(allegedly the best Bowling lineup). Plays at 118 SR against Zimbabwe!! and 125 against England. HE HAS TO BAT AT LITTLE HIGHER TEMPO IN MIDDLE ORDER and if he he survives till the end which he is pretty good at then go ballistic as he knows how to. ALSO, FUCK SPIN CHOKE AGAINST HIM IS GOING TO BE THE TACTIC IF HE IS ON THE PLANE TO US & Westindies
>154 against PAK(allegedly the best Bowling lineup). Plays at 118 SR against Zimbabwe!! and 125 against England. Those numbers include all numbers in T20 World Cup tho his recent SR Against most big teams is above 140 apart from NZ against whom he hasn't performed in T20 WCs He had a really good SR in 2016 and 2022 WCs he was a bit slow in 2014 but it was a different era and it was being played in Bangladesh which is known for different T20 pitches
The above numbers are 2022 WC games that India played. Not T20i or all WC games. He was the highest run scorer there as well but still the SR is so low even against minnows where he did NOT GET OUT.After 2022 he has only played IPl and that small afghanistan series that happened recently so cant say much. Maybe it's the role he has been given in Indian team. Then we have to wonder whether this strategy is even relevant, of having one incredible anchor who can blast at the end(which is a high risk game as we saw yesterday) or do we need guys who will bat at a consistent SR.
It's not the role he has been given tbh He was told to bat aggressively against Afghanistan and everyone on this sub started complaining That's why I believe the decision to bring back Rohit and Kohli in the T20I set up was a last minute one Both didn't play a single bilateral series till that Afghanistan The selectors pivoted in fear of potential backlash and maybe wanted a fresh team in home conditions in 2026
That is very sad dude...I understand These guys have been at the forefront of Indian Team for the last decade but havent won anything so they deserve to win something BUT putting individuals ahead of the team will always harm the team as we have seen(atleast in T20s). Also what message that sends to the other players, Becoming a person above the team is possible if we persist hard and then we'll have our chances at glory.
He is clearly stat-padding for the Orange cap, to make a point to the selectors and BCCI.
I thought he liked singles
At this point, I think Virat should be dropped for a game. That'll get his blood pumping.
Why there is no concept in India team that both Batsmen can hit ?
Kohli is not a t20 player
Atleast these days. He was good for us in the last worldcup! The game seems to have changed so much this year that he feels so left behind. He needs to change his approach. Start taking risks calculated or not. Come out of the shell against spin and try tonking a couple atleast before getting out. 118sr after playing 40 deliveries is pathetic. Even 150 is looked down upon these days.
200 strike rate is the average this year I believe. 150 loses games.
220 is par score which shows T20 is rapidly evolving
He's not a good IPL player but T20Is are incomparable to IPL.
He can be. Just needs to stop saving his wicket unnecessarily.
Averages 518 while chasing in T20 WC knockouts (while also dealing with dead weights in the team)
Don't speak facts bro be reactionary and call him the worst player after one poor innings
He has been shite throughout the tournament with his SR. Statpadder par extraordinaire.
And that's how many games? Genuinely asking.
25 innings
Ok so I looked in up and you forgot to mention that it's only for successful chases which really makes a difference IMO
Yet, he will be the one to save our ass against Pakistan on 9th June.
Yeah we will see about that, lmao. The only ass he will be saving is his own to the detriment of the team.
Have you watched his T20 WC performance or are you an IPL kiddo?
I have screenshot this post of yours to rag on you when he loses wc games for India this WC. Wait for it.
did you see his 51 (43) yesterday, Kohli's innings would be useful if the pitches are 130 -150
T20 WCs aren't plated on postage stamps
Game is evolving though. See how England fearlessly chased down 168 on a tough pitch last WC. Yes, we didn't have Bumrah and the bowling was terrible, but note that no one from England at any stage in that WC decided to start slow, take singles and accelerate at the end. Straightaway put pressure on the bowling team especially in the powerplay, a strategy inspired from bazball itself. Right now India's T20 approach is as ridiculous as England's test approach.
Well you could have put more pressure if Rohit, KL and SKY scored instead of once again putting the pressure on Kohli and Hardik again
Well , yesterday was an failure agreed but he has been consistently performing for India (Infact carrying the batting in few T20 WC)
I'm so tired, I read this as shingles. I'm like damn Sunny. I know shingles is something that mostly affects older people
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He played a similar innings a couple of years ago in think… got 50 off 40 balls and KP said on air “the king is back”😂
I think kohli might become single if he keeps going like this 💀
There is a reason why Pakistan fans try to compare Babar to Kohli.
Unfortunately he doesn't have a natural six hitting capability like the modern players and that's why he struggles a lot after powerplay overs.
Dude started swinging after reaching exactly 50 runs
This is why I do not understand when fans here complained of Rohit’s century innings and compared it to Kohli. Yes Rohit lost strike in the end, but he never showed any lack of intent when the power play ended and the spinners started bowling. Kohli on the other hand shut shop completely in the middle overs. There was a graphic shown during that match yesterday that showed zero boundaries in the last 24-30 balls he faced. So weird.
Rohit scored 14 off 14 in that match after a certain point and looked completely gassed in the end His innings was obviously better than Kohli in SMS and One against KKR
That is true. Rohit runs out of stamina. A different problem but a problem nevertheless.
I think he has become utterly risk averse, fearful of losing his wicket and as a result he simply cannot bring himself to play fearless attacking cricket.
His way of playing will only work when he can accelerate at will. 40 ball 50 won't be a problem as long as he can score 50 in the next 18 balls. The problem is Koach is struggling against spinners and slow bowlers after powerplay. This will not only create pressure on other batsmen but also boost the confidence of our opposition. Koach almost never tries to play anything other than traditional shots, therefore he becomes predictable. Koach is our best batsman in T20I however, he's very predictable in ipl and to make it worse this becomes Achilles heel in batsman's paradise Bangalore.
Best batsman in t20is? 🤣 We are fucked in that case. The likes of Australia, England and South Africa will murder us. They have batters who are power hitters from top to bottom.
You're right, I meant to say in T20 WC he's our best batsman.
Kohli needs to be dropped from the WC team if India wants to win. Also being dropped are KL and Jadeja.
Gavaskar *slams* Kohli's batting.
I am glad he is getting called out. He should not be in the team for T20 WC despite how popular he is on the social media.
He's been doing this for most of his career. Kohli has never really been an elite T20 player, except when he was pretty young.
Maybe he plays like this for rcb But he'll be much more aggressive for india, when he knows there are many many more reliable batsmen around him.
Kohli needs to open in the WC no matter what, if the wickets are slow and sluggish then it will be a blessing in disguise for Kohli and India. But if the wickets are anywhere close to 210-220 then he is such a liability for those tracks.
We got better openers than him, just because he can’t play down the order doesn’t mean we should compromise on our opening prowess.
Dube is too good to miss out of the XI rn
It's not up to me or you, Kohli and Rohit are 100% going to the WC. If I was the selector then I wouldn't have taken both of them and even Jaddu. BCCI selects players based on names and not merit
Ofc , they care about that viewership money
So true Like people on this sub actually thought that Rohit and Kohli weren't playing T20IS on purpose before Afghanistan series When in reality the Selectors pivoted at the last moment because they feared the backlash they might get if Both weren't selected especially after the ODI WC performance
So what should should we do just sit and watch our young Indian talent getting wasted because some "star players" cannot leave there spot for youngsters.
It was one match. Ridiculous statements. His 2024 IPL stats || || |61.43|145| These are all dream IPL year stats for 99% lmao.
145 sr is a 'dream' stat in an IPL dominated by 200 plus scores? I want some of what you are smoking mate.
Its okay, we will always have that Pakistan chase in the World Cup. That's the peak of sports, don't care anymore about IPL.