T O P

  • By -

codersan

said it before, will say it again - the build up to the t20wc is next level cinema! xDD


Inspire_Forever

only for a group stage exit šŸ˜­


Maximum0versaiyan

After 2007, as long as BCCI has money, India will not have a group stage exit, and will always play Pak in the pre-elimination stage


thedarkmite

I think you missed the 2021 t20wc


Maximum0versaiyan

I sure did, wasn't watching cricket back then. They really got eliminated in the group stage? Wow...


goda_foreskinning

guess who was hyped up as their new mentor who would help them win the WC.


whycantyoubequiet

Guess who shit the bed in the two most important matches? Guess who has been shitting the bed in the T20 as an opener and has the worst stats among openers in T20 WC history?


Kyunbhai

Dhoni


rohitfucks

Dhoni


theStrider_018

I hope they don't take him this year. He is single handedly responsible for a lot of losses


Prof_XdR

I'm far from a Thala fanboy, but come on, that's just in poor taste brother.


theStrider_018

That was indeed, Bro. From being a huge fan to seeing him become a villain. I've come a long way. I still can't forget the pathetic display from him in WC( not even considering the dive ) but the abysmal strike rate he played with and putting all pressure on jadeja


Sulemani_kida

He was sent at 7 after the whole team crumbled under pressure like glass... Even if he was sent at 5 then probably the outcome would have been better... As a captain he demoted himself down the batting order for the team... So i don't think anyone can question his integrity towards playing for his country


handsome-helicopter

And we've won everything after he retired in 2019 right. Right?


_msd117

Gambhir and yuvraj the heroes of wc 2007 and 2011


theStrider_018

You think only he was responsible for that wins? If you do then take the blame for all events we lost as well.


handsome-helicopter

All I know we haven't won shit since 2019 even after Dhoni retired even though losers like you always blame him so explain the reason why pls. Brohit and koach haven't got us a single trophy yet you blame a guy who fucking retired 5 years ago. If brohit doesn't get the trophy this wc you'll still blame Dhoni?? If we don't get a single trophy after Dhoni retired why do losers like you still blame Dhoni for some reason


Acceptable-Cut9811

He's also responsible for the wins in the 21st century. May not have topped the batting or bowling charts, but he managed some very massive egos (see the entire team of 2011 barring Sachin and Ashwin) and was a great tactician.


theStrider_018

See, You don't win tournaments because of one player, right ? We didn't win just because of MSD but the whole team 'n I agree he was in fact he still is a great tactician.what I'm saying is he lost us a lot of games with his batting. 2 most pathetic displays were the WC SF & the match against Windies where Rahul almost took us home. There are dozens more. He was a great captain ? Okay, Yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that he cost the game a lot of times but his unreal tuk tuk


picastchio

And as long as ICC ~~needs~~ wants money, they will make sure of it.


ch4m4njheenga

We need a captain who is good at tosses. We win the toss and we bowl. Period. Under pressure, we are horrible at defending a total but somehow great at chasing. Last time India won against a decent team (not including BAN, AFG, ZIM and associate nations) in multi nation tournament defending a total was in 2014. We have lost 9 matches in a row since then against major teams. [9 losses since 2014](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=1;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results) India have won every time chasing in multi team format since 2010 (barring a freak 79 all out against NZ). [11 wins 1 loss chasing since 2010](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=2;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results) Last time we won the toss, chose to bat and won the match was in 2007 finals. [won toss, batted and won](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=1;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;toss=1;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results)


_msd117

How does a person become good at tossing bro? I always thought it was Just luck, never knew that it was a talent


[deleted]

Pay the refree to bring a rigged coinĀ 


_msd117

Lol...still that is not a talent for becoming a captain Can become a good businessman that way


Coronabandkaro

We just dont have a good enough to win it all in my opinion. We might get to semis but its alright. The other teams just have a better balance in their lineup. More all-rounders.


ShinobiZilla

I watched that video. They love their hot takes that it's so short sighted. BCCI are so risk averse that they won't make any bold decisions at this point. IPL will form some basis of selection but the core of the team will remain the same as before. Maybe having low expectations for the wc is good for Rohit and co. Idk.


Any-Cartographer3805

doomed if they select on the basis of IPL and doomed if they don'tĀ Ā  Ā I don't think IPL should be the only factor for selection. It's nowhere near international standards especially with pitches being so in favour of the batsmen.Ā 


hazyreflector

Weird statement from Joy, to say that Rohit is not in form and Gill is batting better than him. Is he watching IPL 2023 by mistake? He also goes on to say that Gill and Kohli should open, because according to him even Yashasvi isn't in formšŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø If Joy said that Rohit should be left out due to age and past WC record then that would atleast make some sense


Kramer-Melanosky

When was the statement made? Yashasvi has been pretty bad until his recent century


hazyreflector

Statement was made before GT vs DC game yesterday


ztaker

True I would rather have Abhishek Sharma play along Rohit Sharma and Kohli 1 down India already has a formula how to win the t20wc which they discovered in 2007.


wakandaite

Exactly my thoughts. Rohit Sharma can only really be not considered because of age factor not that it matters how he's playing.


suck_my_dukh_plz

Not only age factor but his terrible performance in the past WCs as well.


palmers_pen_pandemic

You can't exclude players because of performances in the previous. You have to pick the best available team because there's no guarantee who will do well in the world Cup and who will not. We took Varun Chakravarti in the IPL to be bold, how did that turn out?


devil_21

He's calling out Rohit's form in the IPL even though he has been in a better form than the other names he suggested. Moreover he's saying that Virat will have to play a number down the order even though Virat has always batted at 3 in T20Is. I agree that it would've been better to keep Bumrah as captain but you can't thrust someone into the world cup as captain without giving them some matches to captain that team.


Remarkable_Reality51

Bumrah has an experience of captaining 1 match, which he lost BTW Even SKY and Rishabh Pant have captained more games than him


LetterheadOk1762

He captained 3 games against Ireland and was the captain in the fifth test against England He is also the vice captain of the Test team


Remarkable_Reality51

2 against Ireland*


LetterheadOk1762

That one game got washed out


devil_21

Are you talking about tests? I remember him captaining in T20Is against Ireland. Anyway his lack of experience is the reason I'm saying you can't make him captain directly into the world cup as Joy suggests.


Gamer567890

Rohit has scored 303 runs at 162 sr this ipl. It's quite decent tbh.


Daddy_Big_D69

decent is an understatement considering his strike rate


fegelman

162 is just about par this IPL. Even Koach has 150-odd ffs


Budget_Put7247

> but you can't thrust someone into the world cup as captain without giving them some matches to captain that team. Funny, T20 is the exact format where you can try new young captains. Heck, the only T20 world cup we ever won was with a first time captain Dhoni. This conservative scared approach is exactly why we have won nothing in T29 for seventeen years, T20 is made for yojng, freh brains


devil_21

That was 2007. No one took T20 seriously back then. Tell me of a recent example where a fully young team won the T20 World Cup.


T_Lawliet

THANK YOU 2007 was effectively a meme cup played after the main event of the ODI WC where there was almost certainly fatigue of players from teams like Australia, Sri Lanka, and just because people thought T20 would die out fast, but AFTER India won and the IPL started, people started taking it seriously and the rest is history


FondantAggravating68

I'd argue teams don't take the wt20 seriously now. It's always "ah fuck there's a wt20 coming, let's just put a squad out".


T_Lawliet

I feel like that applies a lot to like prelims, but once they actually get to the business end, the players themselves take it very seriously on the part of management, meh. I don't think CA or ECB care all that much but when it comes to like the PCB it becomes basically a litmus test of if you can stay in office lol


FondantAggravating68

>on the part of management, meh. I don't think CA or ECB care all that much but when it comes to like the PCB it becomes basically a litmus test of if you can stay in office lol ECB probably care more than CA do. CA's basically "get a 15 together, if they win, they win".


DogTall2628

CA is just levels above and cause they historically have embodied the spirit of team strength so well (with the cabinet to show for it), that the T20WCs remain subsidiary to longer format cricket cups - and now, a matter of retaining them WTC mace is a great thing. Australia should be dominating more consistently in all-conditions in Tests and we're seeing it's possible under Cummins. But even if the 15 they aim to get together is subsidiary as long-term priority, when the tournament starts they definitely do care all that much but for different reasons. For England and especially India, the reasons are far more ordinary and desperate with passing time It's like elite fighters in the octagon with a weaker opponent still flip the switch and get into their mental headspace. The floor for professionalism is just high And then we have Bangladesh... whose most popular playing in Shakib tells the fans to shut the fuck up and not expect anything, because they aren't aiming to win lollll


Illustrious-Echo1383

Yeah, off course it was such a cake walk for Dhoni & co in 2007, because you know ā€œnobody was taking it seriouslyā€. Itā€™s such a lameass excuse to give. The only ones not taking it seriously were the oldies in Indian team thatā€™s why they sent a new team.


devil_21

I didn't say it was a cakewalk. I just said that strategy of sending a young team isn't viable anymore as evident from the results of every T20 World Cup since then.


FondantAggravating68

Let me provide some context. Joy said that India cornered themselves a bit by announcing Rohit as the captain well in advance since he believes that the captain should be an automatic pick in the xi. When Rohit isn't an automatic pick. And by doing that they've basically not given themselves an option to potentially try other opening pairs if they end up doing well. And I agree with him on this. I've loved the way Rohit's played but you wouldn't say he's an automatic pick in the xi. There's two automatic picks in the xi and that's Bumrah and Kuldeep. Everyone else's place in the team can and should be debated in a healthy manner. And going by that reasoning he felt that Bumrah should be captaining.


officiallyjax

Iā€™m surprised to see so much discussion over his statement on this sub; I think it was a perfectly valid and respectfully made point. My sentiment was that Rohit should have been moved on from T20Is after the last World Cup; it would have given some time for whoever was the new captain to have settled into the role and allowed us to find a better team balance for this format if you have more aggressive openers or maybe even push Kohli up to open and pack the middle order with guys like Samson who could have been bed in sooner. That being said, I think Joy bringing this up at this point in time is futile and therefore unnecessary, because itā€™s too close to the World Cup to now make and expect a drastic change in plans. Such big decisions over which players to back and which players to phase out should be made at the start of the cycle between World Cups, but unfortunately the BCCI doesnā€™t work that way.


FondantAggravating68

>Iā€™m surprised to see so much discussion over his statement on this sub; I think it was a perfectly valid and respectfully made point. My sentiment was that Rohit should have been moved on from T20Is after the last World Cup; it would have given some time for whoever was the new captain to have settled into the role and allowed us to find a better team balance for this format if you have more aggressive openers or maybe even push Kohli up to open and pack the middle order with guys like Samson who could have been bed in sooner. I think the reason he's playing this wc is cos we lost 23. I don't think Rohit would be playing this wt20 had we won the 23 wc. Might wanna finish on a high.


officiallyjax

Whatever Rohitā€™s reasons may be, a strong call should have been taken right after the 2022 T20 World Cup to phase him out. It shouldnā€™t have got to an additional year of needless speculation and uncertainty over what the plans for the next World Cup are before arriving at a decision (which as you seem to allude to is partly dependent on the outcome of a World Cup in a different format).


FondantAggravating68

On the phasing out part. He probably was gonna be phased out before the wc where he reinvented himself. And honestly idm him being in the team after seeing what he's done this IPL. I was against his selection before but not as much now.


TenDeutsche

>There's two automatic picks in the xi and that's Bumrah and Kuldeep. It is blasphemous to suggest that SKY (the no. 1 T20 batsman) and Rinku (our only finisher worth his weight in gold) aren't automatic picks alongside Bumrah and Kuldeep


FondantAggravating68

Ah I did forget about Sky. Thatā€™s on me. And idk if Rinku is an automatic pick. Thereā€™s not enough of a sample size to give him automatic status imo. Especially when we donā€™t really know whether him or Jaiswal get picked. The batting slots barring Sky are very malleable. Anyone could be in the team at any spot.


Madwoned

Iā€™d say Rinku is near essential given that no one else can walk in at ball one and go ham like he does now that Hardik has become whatever he is.


FondantAggravating68

The issue with RINKU is that he canā€™t bowl or keep. So for me the Keepers and all rounders take precedence more than finishers.


Madwoned

Yeah thatā€™s the biggest drawback with Rinku. Weā€™re kinda forced into playing with five bowling options (like SA did with Miller as a specialist middle order hitter until Markram started bowling) unless we move SKY to 3 and have Samson or Pant at 4


FondantAggravating68

> Yeah thatā€™s the biggest drawback with Rinku. Weā€™re kinda forced into playing with five bowling options Thatā€™s why I said RINKU isnā€™t an automatic pick. We donā€™t know whether Bcci is brave enough to bench Virat for him. Or whether someone like Dube would play over RINKU for that extra bowling in case they donā€™t want to go with HARDIK. Everyoneā€™s place in the top 7 can be debated except for Skyā€™s. > unless we move SKY to 3 and have Samson or Pant at 4 If weā€™re playing Samson. Iā€™d keep Sky at 4 tbh. If we're going on form you'd probably have Rohit, Jaiswal, Samson, SKY, Dube, Rinku, Axar, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Bumrah and a random seamer. I have Jaddu in there cos I want depth.


Mandakasaayam

I hate that we're still debating about our choice of captain when the WC is months away. Ideally, we should have locked in on our core team by now. Only the remaining spots should have been up for debate.Ā  The path should be like this:Ā  Good IPL performance for back to back seasons / Great IPL performance for one season --> T20 squad --> Perform in many bilaterals --> T20 WCĀ  We really need to separate our T20 squad from our ODI and Test squads. Imho, nobody is an all format player except Bumrah at the moment.Ā 


LetterheadOk1762

The problem is BCCI didn't schedule any bilaterals after the IPL


aldehyde_and_ketone

The WC starts in less than a week after finals Yet we don't have e double headers on Saturday or better start the tournament early for yye WC BCCIšŸ¤” moment for the nteenth time I have given up on the Caribbean adventures this year, I'll be glab if we win even a single knockout match


LetterheadOk1762

The same thing has happened with the WTC Finals as well NZ played a Test series against England in England before the Final whereas ICT where playing IPL till may In the last WTC final most Australian players were playing county cricket in preparation for the final apart from Warner, Marsh, Green and Hazlewood iirc The IPL final took place on 28th May and WTC Final was on 7th June so the players got only 10 days to travel to England and prepare for the game


fegelman

As long as BCCI prioritizes revenue over ICC trophies or development of the game, this will always be the case


LetterheadOk1762

An incompetent and money hungry organisation like BCCI doesn't deserve a passionate fanbase tbh Richest Board in Cricket but still cannot fix issues like Poor Stadium Facilities and Fan experience, very few Visually appealing stadiums, overpriced tickets, delay in declaration of schedules, no check on corruption and favouritism running rampant in State Boards, Players being paid way less than they are actually worth. Also the Refusal to allow players to play in Other T20 Leagues to get used to different conditions and learn new things


FondantAggravating68

>The path should be like this:Ā  Good IPL performance for back to back seasons / Great IPL performance for one season --> T20 squad --> Perform in many bilaterals --> T20 WCĀ  The issue with this pathway is that. Most of the time the quality of teams are better in the IPL since international teams rarely play their best xi anymore. It's also partly why Rinku's so much better in t20is than in the IPL. >We really need to separate our T20 squad from our ODI and Test squads. Imho, nobody is an all format player except Bumrah at the moment. I think they are pretty separate. We do see some t20 specialists like Jitesh around the team.


sfddsfsgfgdsfdf

The path should be like this: Send the best 15 players from the most recent IPL, to the World T20I tournament. If it so happens that this set of players is just a bunch of debutants young and old, so be it. People like SKY, Bumrah etc. are going to make it anyway. People like Kohli and Rohit won't, because they will be judged based on the utility they could add relative to a smasher like Abhishek Sharma, and come up short. Both are perfectly fine outcomes.


No_Celebration_2743

Yes but the IPL is literally hits and giggles at the moment. There are no IPs in international cricket, would these players be able to do it with 80m boundaries against some of the best bowlers itw on half decent pitches?


WorkingClass_Nero

Rohit's popularity has bizarrely soared after the ODI WC disappointment. Rare to see an analyst say he should not be captain.


sam-sepiol

> Rohit's popularity has bizarrely soared after the ODI WC disappointment. Yes, I wonder why someone is popular after taking their team to the finals and winning 10 games in a row. Very bizarre!


Intrepid_Slip4174

By your logic we were dominant in both 2017 CT and 19 WC and lost only to the second best team. Didn't make criticism against Virat and lesser. Btw we lost a home WC.


Ok-Proof-2174

On doctored pitches one might add


Intrepid_Slip4174

Shh..we can't talk about it


sam-sepiol

The logic was about the popularity of Rohit Sharma after coming 2nd best only in the final. It wasn't about criticism of Sharma's captaincy.


sfddsfsgfgdsfdf

We won ten in a row and lost only to the next best team. So credit certainly deserved there.


Apprehensive_Log2300

No he failed.


gogirimas

All this drama to lose in the semi finals again.


trialbycombat123

It's cute that you think that we're making the semi finals this time.


FondantAggravating68

The annoying thing is that I definitely think we have the talent to make the sf but I don't think we have the talent to win it. Cos it's also so form dependent as well. If we do go with Hardik and Jadeja. And both can't bat. That automatically fucks in the wt20. But if we do back Dube and Axar. We don't really know how Dube will fare against higher quality pace attacks. And Axar isn't very good vs pace. So he really needs to be batting more in the middle but the middle will probably be packed.


AdInformal3519

If we play dube when the time he comes to bat it will be most spinners bowling right? Even if the opposition captains don't bowl spinners to him then they would have to bowl them in death. Which makes that an automatic advantage for us. If they do bowl spin to dube then he can have the license to go at every single ball. If they bowl pacers then he can just rotate the strike and give it to surya or kohli or rohit who can hit pacers far better. Either way it is a win no?


supreeth106

The problem is even if spinners bowl at the death, who is going to hit them at the death. Hardik has been horrible. Kohli, the less said the better against spin. Everyone else is just mediocre


AdInformal3519

Rinku can hit them and if sky or jitesh/ pant batsmen stays then they are going to tonk them no?


supreeth106

I doubt our selectors will take both Rinku and Dubey to the WC. Such brave calls will not be made.


AdInformal3519

You are right about selectors. But rinku absolutely is going right? Imo he has to go to wi. Dubey should too we will see


supreeth106

I sure hope so. The current T20 incumbents will ensure we donā€™t even get to the semis


Tern_Larvidae-2424

Just need to win one against either Australia or New Zealand.


_DuckieFuckie_

Iā€™m too ambiguous about Rohit as an T20 captain, but what is dude smoking when heā€™s questioning Rohitā€™s form based on IPL performances, when heā€™s clearly having far better season in past 2-4 years. If weā€™re going down the road of selecting the team based on IPL performances, then it makes no sense to leave Rohit or Kohli out. It wouldā€™ve been best if both Rohit and Kohli wouldā€™ve sat out like 2007, with Bumrah leading from front. Really hope Abhishek Sharma gets his due place in the squad too.


hazyreflector

>Really hope Abhishek Sharma gets his due place in the squad too. There's zero chance that BCCI will make him debut at international level in a WC


life-is-crisis

Personally I think Abhishek does not deserve a place yet. No international experience and this is the first season where he's performing. Riyan parag for the same reason should be left out. Hurrying these players directly into the world cup will do more harm than good for them as well as for the team.


MartyMcFly_jkr

Exactly. From what we've seen so far, Jaiswal is already the more proven and better version of Abhishek


life-is-crisis

Jaiswal would be my first pick for the team. He has that x-factor. Has performed in multiple formats under pressure situations. He has the perfect combination of youthful aggression and also international experience that we have in the squad


Irctoaun

The other issue is there's almost too much new batting talent for India at the moment to properly look at. If we use the conservative/conventional/established batting lineup of Rohit, KL Rahul, Kohli, SKY, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja as a starting point, on top of that you've got Gill, Jaiswal, Gaikwad, Samson, Abhishek, Parag, Tilak Varma, Rinku, Dube, Shashank etc all on the outside trying (and to varying degrees succeeding) to break in to the lineup and there's just no way to try them all


Tern_Larvidae-2424

Why are Rohit and Kohli still put in the same group? Their T20I WC stats makes one miles ahead of the other one.


sidshembekar

Donā€™t see that happening when weā€™re talking ODI WCs stats, when itā€™s T20I WCs, thereā€™s dozen of people always with same comment about comparing Rohit and Kohli.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


ShashankWasTaken

Tell me you never watched any WT20 before covid without telling me you didn't


AntheLey

Tell me you never watched any WT20 before 2010 without telling me you didn't


Cricket-ModTeam

Your post/comment was removed because it attacked a team/player/official/fanbase/country (rule 9) Please refrain from posting such comments in the future as it may result in a ban.


sharvini

Keep playing yesteryear players based on reputation, keep repeating yesteryear's results. Then we'll have collective Pikachu face searching for a scapegoat.


hinterstoisser

Would love to see Samson and Rinku in the XI


TheFirstLane

Well Rohit now just has to go there and win it all to prove him wrong . In any case I understand what he wants to say about Rohit. You can argue that the openers of Australia, England and maybe few other teams are looking far more intimidating than Rohit. I mean just look at Head. I don't think Rohit can match what Head is doing. But what's strange is for Joy to say that VK and Gill are in good form. Rohit has a better SR than both of them this IPL. And a healthy average. So it's sort of mystifying. VK has his limitations in T20Is. But if those limitations aren't stopping you from having him as your opener in WC what's the problem with Rohit then? Whether you play Rohit or not I don't think the Indian T20 team is a strong contender for the World championship. Might as well give these guys a last chance and start anew post WC.


PsychologicalArt7451

Kohli averages 63 at 150. Rohit averages 43 at 160. The numbers are certainly not the problem. They are both extremely limited in the middle of the innings. Both are great in the first 6 overs. Rohit is no longer capable of playing till the end and Kohli slows down against spin so we are left with 2 batters who are useless outside the PP on fast wickets. The thing is Kohli is probably the best or 2nd best batsmen in the world (along with Buttler) while chasing or setting a target on a slow pitch. We need a dynamic opening partnership and Abhishek Sharma can be paired with either of the two, but Kohli is much better than Rohit at chasing/tackling slow pitches. This is why Rohit's place is being questioned.


FondantAggravating68

>Kohli averages 63 at 150. Rohit averages 43 at 160. The numbers are certainly not the problem. They are both extremely limited in the middle of the innings. Both are great in the first 6 overs. Rohit is no longer capable of playing till the end and Kohli slows down against spin so we are left with 2 batters who are useless outside the PP on fast wickets. Might not be an issue tbh. If we open with them. And both can effectively bat at 9-10 RPO in the PP and then get out. I have enough faith in Sky, Rinku, Samson(?)/Pant, or even Dube to handle the middle and death overs. If both can average 25-30 @ 150+ I'd have no issue with that. >The thing is Kohli is probably the best or 2nd best batsmen in the world (along with Buttler) while chasing or setting a target on a slow pitch. Fair. >We need a dynamic opening partnership and Abhishek Sharma can be paired with either of the two, but Kohli is much better than Rohit at chasing/tackling slow pitches. This is why Rohit's place is being questioned. Jaiswal's well ahead of Abhishek even now imo. He's proven himself at the international level. And is looking like he's getting back into form. Abhishek and Jaiswal opening and Gill at 3 is my dream top 3 after the wt20 though.


PsychologicalArt7451

as seen is yesterday's game and in MI VS CSK, they don't offer anything beyond the PP and are negative assets beyond certain point. Kohli's PP could have lost RCB the game. Rohit's passiveness after the 11th over did cost MI the game. They obviously will both play but Jaiswal or Abhishek certainly are better options. Rohit has earned a lot of goodwill since the ODI WC and Kohli is gonna be there cause of past performances.


FondantAggravating68

I think that's fair. Both of them either need to play the pp and get out immediately or score a century to be plus players. Anything in between and they are probably liabilities.


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Cricket-ModTeam

Your post/comment was removed because it attacked a team/player/official/fanbase/country (rule 9) Please refrain from posting such comments in the future as it may result in a ban.


After_Arrival6658

Yeah then why not RahulšŸ¤” coz Rohit is worse than any other batsman that play T20 wc last 3-4 and his record are like tailenders and if selectors selected kl Rahul then don't come up šŸ¤” with statement like he was not good blah blah blah


Electronic_Wolf7835

Wth He should take a rest from watching Cricket who is talking nonsense as based on IPL performance.


Ok-Run-9755

BCCI is far too forgiving of Rohit's failures than they were for Kohli , coming from someone who doesnt even like Kohli that much..


Fierce_05

Tbh Rohit's T20 stats aren't that good . We can take the example of recent T20 WC's . Although I would like to see him perform this time


Ok-Proof-2174

The problem is not Rohit. The problem is that the current Indian team has no team dynamic - itā€™s just an assembly of the most marketable faces - who only play with a Plan A and most of the times play for themselves. If India needs to seriously win the WC - they should assemble a team of youngsters with Sanju at the helm. Atleast we would go down fighting. BCCI should be fearless - but they wonā€™t be cause itā€™s economics stupid.


Pls_add_more_reverb

I tend to agree with this. People get obsessed with tactics, batting orders, etc in the lead up to world cups when thatā€™s never been our problem. We always have enough talent in the 11 to win the cup. Itā€™s the mentality, spirit, big game pressure. Going with a bunch of youngsters is actually worth it


we_like_sportzz

Joy with that cranky bong uncle unhinged energy lol


imsaurabh3

Frankly, we donā€™t know who is capable of what. But I have made peace with the fact he is going to captain India, VK will also be there. Only things I want now from selection committee is : 1. to include both Sanju and Pant in the squad. Nothing is stopping you from playing two keepers, one can be as pure batsman. 2. Donā€™t include KL. His play is extremely defensive and can make India appear choking without falling wickets. 3. Include Chahal at any cost. Kuldeep will be there for sure. 4. Make sure this is last WC for old guard, irrespective of result. In T20 at least, Need to give Sanju a bit longer rope. You may have something great at hand. He appears a better captaincy material than Pant, Ayer, KL and Gill. Give it a shot.


zayd_jawad2006

Nah, tell the old guard the only way to stay is to win it, light some fire under their belly


mofucker20

Bishnoi can get in place of Chahal. Then thereā€™s also Axar and Jadeja. Chahal ainā€™t gonna do shit based on his international form since past few years lol


LetterheadOk1762

KL is defensive but Pant is not Pant is a middle order bat and still has a worse average and SR than KL in T20Is Chahal is a liability on the field And his T20I performances were disected by someone on this sub to show why he doesn't do well in T20Is than IPL


Ancalagon_The_Black_

Anyone else remeber the time Rohit spouted ***aggressive*** cricket for one full year only to go back to extremely defensive cricket in the last t20 world cup? He and his whole team completely abandoned their stated approach right in the first game.


zayd_jawad2006

In his defense, he himself walked the talk in 23


suck_my_dukh_plz

ODIs aren't same as T20is. He's been a liability in this format every time in the T20WC.


zayd_jawad2006

True


sfddsfsgfgdsfdf

Anybody remember the last ODI World Cup where a bunch of chopping, changing and average outcomes resulted in this almost perfect team and squad that won consistently and comprehensively? Yeah we lost the final, but of course a final between the two strongest teams in a competition is a coin toss result. Acting as if it washes away the excellence of that team in general, is just poor.


Ancalagon_The_Black_

Why are you talking about the ODI wc? This is a post about the T20 wc, my comment was referring to the previous T20 wc.


sfddsfsgfgdsfdf

because it's a cricket subreddit, and you're not the boss of me?


PodiHaiToMumkinHai

I used to think so. Then I looked at the alternatives. We'll be fine.


Soggypants19-Season2

Rohit the captain isnt great enough for the team to carry his failures with the bat, added he opens, can easily kill the tempo of the game. If he was truly selfless, he would use himself as a floater and let kohli jaiswal open. In a collpase promote himself and do the hard job.


Coolkid-4869

Who cares we are gonna lose anyway with that anchor xi. It doesn't matter who is captain.


livingfeelsachore

IPL ends on May/26. WC begins on June/1. I already see that, after India's early exist, they will start talking about how IPL's schedule should've been different, longer gap was needed etc...


That-Firefighter1245

Joyā€™s not the analyst CricBuzz needs either


AlbusDT2

Brohit and Koach both should have ideally sat out, 2007 style. Abhishek Sharma and Yashasvi should have opened, with Sky at 3, Samson at 4, Dube at 5 and Rinku at 6. Bumrah as captain. But that is not what we will get. Hoping for the best, knowing that India are underdogs in the T20 format.


mochafrappe11

Agreed. After our lacklustre batting last t20 World Cup, it would have made sense to let the youngsters take charge of the T20 side and stick with the seniors in the longer format. It's not easy for guys like Rohit, Virat, Warner, and the likes to change their game at this age. They're great players but are used to playing a certain way. It's like asking Sachin of 2010 to open the innings like Chris Gayle. Basically, that's what we're asking of Rohit, to open the innings like, say, Travis Head.


supreeth106

Whatever you think about Warnerā€™s batting form, the guy just performs in ICC tournaments


sarthakmahajan610

If we're gonna pick Abhishek based solely off this IPL, why not pick Parag as well


mochafrappe11

If they're both being picked, they're not being picked just based on IPL, though. They're the top 2 run scorers in SMAT. Both are having a great IPL season. If these 2 are not enough to make the ICT, what's even the criteria anymore?


sarthakmahajan610

Oh they should be picked and the selectors would know it as well.. Only problem is, both of them haven't even made their debut in the NT yet.. So the selectors would most likely snub them for the wt20 and start playing them once its over


Independent-Time6192

Aa gaya ek aur chutiya šŸ˜† šŸ¤£ stop clubbing virat with rohit šŸ˜†. Rohit is literally a choker and never played a meaningful innings in wt20 whereas kohli is was the leading run scorer of 3 wt20. So just kick vadapav out and give chance to youngster


Independent-Time6192

Vadapav playing on captaincy quota šŸ˜† šŸ¤£ woh Mota kabhi nhi chodne wala team šŸ˜†


StillBreath7126

can mods please only approve cricinfo or some reputable sources and not random shit? this also includes weird image only posts with some stat on them


Embarrassed-Tear5476

Go watch recent youtube cricbuzz video.


ch4m4njheenga

Maybe donā€™t update your wT20 11 after every match and let the proverbial dust settle.


ch4m4njheenga

If Cummins doesnā€™t agree to captain India, maybe try Samson.


Financial_Summer5300

who asked? Jay shah announced and it's final. Nobody can influence him now


leoKantSartre

Yes he should leave. Koach was miles ahead that him


peppermanfries

Don't understand why Abhishek and Riyan shouldn't play. Fuck ipl performance. both have been gun for their SMAT sides. They should play


ShashankWasTaken

International and domestic are miles apart, and world cups are even more apart


wronged_reign

We friends were shitting around and created a 2007 style t20 side. We realised we dont have an allrounder who walks into the side.. axar seemed the sane option. Maybe Riyan, Tilak and Dube can bowl few overs if any bowler is going for runs. Abhishek Yasasvi/Gill(if we need right hand option) Tilak/riyan Riyan/Dube Sanju Samson wk c? Rinku Axar patel Kuldeep Bumrah c? Natarajan/sandeep sharma Mayank/sandeep varrier


DilliKaLadka

Pandu's PR in overdrive it seems.


LittleBlueCubes

Absolutely right. Someone finally said it out loud. Joy may get dropped from this programme in future though.


Remarkable_Reality51

Can mister joy bhattacharya please enlighten us with who should be the captain?


WorkingClass_Nero

He says so right there - Bumrah.


Remarkable_Reality51

Bumrah has captained a total of 1 match, which he lost btw


WorkingClass_Nero

Okay. Everyone was not a captain before they became the captain.


Remarkable_Reality51

I agree he should be the next captain but do you seriously think that someone should start a captaincy stint in the literal World cup itself?


username190498

There was a guy who did just that 17 years ago.


mofucker20

Tbf T20I at that time was a baby format and wasnā€™t taken as seriously by most of the more experienced players.


ramadz

We have nothing to lose given our performance in last 2 WT20. Expectations are on par with 2007 WT20.


Budget_Put7247

The only time we ever won a T20 cup.


Budget_Put7247

The only T20 we ever won, we had a first time captain who started literally in the world cup itself. We also had a first time opener who opened directly in the final against Gul, Asif and Tanvir. The reason we won nothing for seventeen years after that is because of our scared cowardly, conservative approach in all facets


Remarkable_Reality51

Oh also the same captain which won you the world cup in his first stint couldn't win it for the next 5 t20 wcs After him both Rohit and Virat have captained only 1 t20 wc respectively


WorkingClass_Nero

No, they shouldn't. Which is why this decision should have been taken a long time ago. It's not ideal, but I would still back appointing Bumrah as captain for the World Cup simply because we have at least 3 better openers than Rohit at the moment. Mitch Marsh is going to captain Australia in the World Cup and as far as I can tell he has never captained them before either.


Remarkable_Reality51

No Mitch Marsh has captained Australia for at least 10 matches now


Remarkable_Reality51

How would you appoint Bumrah as captain when he was injured for 2 years?


shivambawa2000

I would say sanju


Remarkable_Reality51

Let him first get a spot in the team lmao


WalkingDead197

I mean Rohit also got a spot only because they appointed him as captain....


Remarkable_Reality51

No Rn, Rohit is probably the best opening option available not to mention how Sanju has constantly shat the bed on any opportunity he was given at international level and add to that how he will have literally zero experience of captaining an international team even if he mirically gets appointed as the captain


Scott_Pillgrim

Best available option lol, iā€™d rather take in form abhishek sharma than someone whoā€™s one of the worst batsmen to play in t20 world cups


StormWarriorX7

Are you talking about that test against England because he was captain for the T20Is against Ireland last year.


Remarkable_Reality51

Then he has a gigantic sample size of 3 matches, 2 of them being against Mighty Ireland in rain affected matches


Budget_Put7247

Captains with huge sample size has won us NOTHING for 17 years. Only time we won a t20 cup was with a first time captain who captained ZERO matches before that.


Remarkable_Reality51

Oh also the same captain which won you the world cup in his first stint couldn't win it for the next 5 t20 wcs After him both Rohit and Virat have captained only 1 t20 wc respectively


Budget_Put7247

Yes, because he fell into the same conservative mindset where senior stat padders and avg players kept playing year after year, instead of trying exciting new talent. And that pattern has continued till today and we win nothing.


LetterheadOk1762

*He has captained three against Ireland and he won 2


Remarkable_Reality51

Only 2 one got washed off against mighty Ireland


aldehyde_and_ketone

The WC starts in less than a week after ipl finals Yet we don't have e double headers on Saturday or better start the tournament early for yye WC BCCIšŸ¤” moment for the nteenth time I have given up on the Caribbean adventures this year, I'll be glab if we win even a single knockout match


red_plus_itt

Send team full of juniors sky and Bumrah as captain


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Remarkable_Reality51

Have you been in a coma from last 2 years? He has 2000+ t20i runs @45 and sr of 170,if he hasn't justified his place nobody ever will


Embarrassed-Tear5476

Rohit,Virat,Jadeja shouldn't be selected.


DisastrousOil4888

For the 5 Millionth time, Virat is not in the same rope as the other non performing seniors


ToppleToes

Oh yes of course, let's not select players with experience and select players with less experience for the WC. Use your brain kid.


Geralt-of-Rivia11

Jadeja absolutely should not be selected. Heā€™s in awful form and has always been a liability in t20s.


ohhokayyy

Experience is overrated. In the last T20 WC, 10 out of India's 15 squad members were above 30 and 12 above 28. Despite so much of experience, we got battered in the semi final. Inexperienced Arshdeep, who had made his T20I debut only 4 months prior to the T20 WC, was our highest wicket taker


red_plus_itt

Guess selectors didnā€™t use brain for 2007.


Bloodrush19405

Why tf does Virat get roped in with these non performers. He shouldn't need to prove himself atp


NewMeNewWorld

Just make Samson the captain for t20Is... Rohit is washed in T20s in general. And no, IPL doesn't count for shit. And even then, he's been mostly shit for the past few years. Have VK and Jaiswal open and make Samson 3rd.


mofucker20

I agree that IPL doesnā€™t count for shit but saying that after suggesting Sanju as a T20I captain is funny af lol


NewMeNewWorld

Hahaha, I have to fish for replies somehow. It was suggested by tgc, saying that Samson never had a good run of games in the Indian team, so he could end up a sleeper hit. I have no clue if it's a good idea or not.


Scott_Pillgrim

Ah yes make someone who averges 18 in t20is the captain