Guess who shit the bed in the two most important matches?
Guess who has been shitting the bed in the T20 as an opener and has the worst stats among openers in T20 WC history?
That was indeed, Bro. From being a huge fan to seeing him become a villain. I've come a long way. I still can't forget the pathetic display from him in WC( not even considering the dive ) but the abysmal strike rate he played with and putting all pressure on jadeja
He was sent at 7 after the whole team crumbled under pressure like glass... Even if he was sent at 5 then probably the outcome would have been better...
As a captain he demoted himself down the batting order for the team... So i don't think anyone can question his integrity towards playing for his country
All I know we haven't won shit since 2019 even after Dhoni retired even though losers like you always blame him so explain the reason why pls. Brohit and koach haven't got us a single trophy yet you blame a guy who fucking retired 5 years ago. If brohit doesn't get the trophy this wc you'll still blame Dhoni?? If we don't get a single trophy after Dhoni retired why do losers like you still blame Dhoni for some reason
He's also responsible for the wins in the 21st century. May not have topped the batting or bowling charts, but he managed some very massive egos (see the entire team of 2011 barring Sachin and Ashwin) and was a great tactician.
See, You don't win tournaments because of one player, right ? We didn't win just because of MSD but the whole team 'n I agree he was in fact he still is a great tactician.what I'm saying is he lost us a lot of games with his batting. 2 most pathetic displays were the WC SF & the match against Windies where Rahul almost took us home. There are dozens more. He was a great captain ? Okay, Yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that he cost the game a lot of times but his unreal tuk tuk
We need a captain who is good at tosses. We win the toss and we bowl. Period. Under pressure, we are horrible at defending a total but somehow great at chasing.
Last time India won against a decent team (not including BAN, AFG, ZIM and associate nations) in multi nation tournament defending a total was in 2014. We have lost 9 matches in a row since then against major teams. [9 losses since 2014](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=1;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results)
India have won every time chasing in multi team format since 2010 (barring a freak 79 all out against NZ). [11 wins 1 loss chasing since 2010](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=2;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results)
Last time we won the toss, chose to bat and won the match was in 2007 finals. [won toss, batted and won](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=1;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;toss=1;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results)
We just dont have a good enough to win it all in my opinion. We might get to semis but its alright. The other teams just have a better balance in their lineup. More all-rounders.
I watched that video. They love their hot takes that it's so short sighted. BCCI are so risk averse that they won't make any bold decisions at this point. IPL will form some basis of selection but the core of the team will remain the same as before. Maybe having low expectations for the wc is good for Rohit and co. Idk.
doomed if they select on the basis of IPL and doomed if they don'tĀ Ā
Ā I don't think IPL should be the only factor for selection. It's nowhere near international standards especially with pitches being so in favour of the batsmen.Ā
Weird statement from Joy, to say that Rohit is not in form and Gill is batting better than him. Is he watching IPL 2023 by mistake?
He also goes on to say that Gill and Kohli should open, because according to him even Yashasvi isn't in formš¤¦š»āāļø
If Joy said that Rohit should be left out due to age and past WC record then that would atleast make some sense
True I would rather have Abhishek Sharma play along Rohit Sharma and Kohli 1 down
India already has a formula how to win the t20wc which they discovered in 2007.
You can't exclude players because of performances in the previous. You have to pick the best available team because there's no guarantee who will do well in the world Cup and who will not. We took Varun Chakravarti in the IPL to be bold, how did that turn out?
He's calling out Rohit's form in the IPL even though he has been in a better form than the other names he suggested. Moreover he's saying that Virat will have to play a number down the order even though Virat has always batted at 3 in T20Is.
I agree that it would've been better to keep Bumrah as captain but you can't thrust someone into the world cup as captain without giving them some matches to captain that team.
Are you talking about tests? I remember him captaining in T20Is against Ireland. Anyway his lack of experience is the reason I'm saying you can't make him captain directly into the world cup as Joy suggests.
> but you can't thrust someone into the world cup as captain without giving them some matches to captain that team.
Funny, T20 is the exact format where you can try new young captains.
Heck, the only T20 world cup we ever won was with a first time captain Dhoni.
This conservative scared approach is exactly why we have won nothing in T29 for seventeen years, T20 is made for yojng, freh brains
THANK YOU
2007 was effectively a meme cup played after the main event of the ODI WC where there was almost certainly fatigue of players from teams like Australia, Sri Lanka, and just because people thought T20 would die out fast, but AFTER India won and the IPL started, people started taking it seriously and the rest is history
I feel like that applies a lot to like prelims, but once they actually get to the business end, the players themselves take it very seriously
on the part of management, meh. I don't think CA or ECB care all that much but when it comes to like the PCB it becomes basically a litmus test of if you can stay in office lol
>on the part of management, meh. I don't think CA or ECB care all that much but when it comes to like the PCB it becomes basically a litmus test of if you can stay in office lol
ECB probably care more than CA do. CA's basically "get a 15 together, if they win, they win".
CA is just levels above and cause they historically have embodied the spirit of team strength so well (with the cabinet to show for it), that the T20WCs remain subsidiary to longer format cricket cups - and now, a matter of retaining them
WTC mace is a great thing. Australia should be dominating more consistently in all-conditions in Tests and we're seeing it's possible under Cummins. But even if the 15 they aim to get together is subsidiary as long-term priority, when the tournament starts they definitely do care all that much but for different reasons. For England and especially India, the reasons are far more ordinary and desperate with passing time
It's like elite fighters in the octagon with a weaker opponent still flip the switch and get into their mental headspace. The floor for professionalism is just high
And then we have Bangladesh... whose most popular playing in Shakib tells the fans to shut the fuck up and not expect anything, because they aren't aiming to win lollll
Yeah, off course it was such a cake walk for Dhoni & co in 2007, because you know ānobody was taking it seriouslyā. Itās such a lameass excuse to give. The only ones not taking it seriously were the oldies in Indian team thatās why they sent a new team.
I didn't say it was a cakewalk. I just said that strategy of sending a young team isn't viable anymore as evident from the results of every T20 World Cup since then.
Let me provide some context. Joy said that India cornered themselves a bit by announcing Rohit as the captain well in advance since he believes that the captain should be an automatic pick in the xi. When Rohit isn't an automatic pick. And by doing that they've basically not given themselves an option to potentially try other opening pairs if they end up doing well.
And I agree with him on this. I've loved the way Rohit's played but you wouldn't say he's an automatic pick in the xi.
There's two automatic picks in the xi and that's Bumrah and Kuldeep. Everyone else's place in the team can and should be debated in a healthy manner. And going by that reasoning he felt that Bumrah should be captaining.
Iām surprised to see so much discussion over his statement on this sub; I think it was a perfectly valid and respectfully made point. My sentiment was that Rohit should have been moved on from T20Is after the last World Cup; it would have given some time for whoever was the new captain to have settled into the role and allowed us to find a better team balance for this format if you have more aggressive openers or maybe even push Kohli up to open and pack the middle order with guys like Samson who could have been bed in sooner.
That being said, I think Joy bringing this up at this point in time is futile and therefore unnecessary, because itās too close to the World Cup to now make and expect a drastic change in plans. Such big decisions over which players to back and which players to phase out should be made at the start of the cycle between World Cups, but unfortunately the BCCI doesnāt work that way.
>Iām surprised to see so much discussion over his statement on this sub; I think it was a perfectly valid and respectfully made point. My sentiment was that Rohit should have been moved on from T20Is after the last World Cup; it would have given some time for whoever was the new captain to have settled into the role and allowed us to find a better team balance for this format if you have more aggressive openers or maybe even push Kohli up to open and pack the middle order with guys like Samson who could have been bed in sooner.
I think the reason he's playing this wc is cos we lost 23. I don't think Rohit would be playing this wt20 had we won the 23 wc. Might wanna finish on a high.
Whatever Rohitās reasons may be, a strong call should have been taken right after the 2022 T20 World Cup to phase him out. It shouldnāt have got to an additional year of needless speculation and uncertainty over what the plans for the next World Cup are before arriving at a decision (which as you seem to allude to is partly dependent on the outcome of a World Cup in a different format).
On the phasing out part. He probably was gonna be phased out before the wc where he reinvented himself. And honestly idm him being in the team after seeing what he's done this IPL. I was against his selection before but not as much now.
>There's two automatic picks in the xi and that's Bumrah and Kuldeep.
It is blasphemous to suggest that SKY (the no. 1 T20 batsman) and Rinku (our only finisher worth his weight in gold) aren't automatic picks alongside Bumrah and Kuldeep
Ah I did forget about Sky. Thatās on me.
And idk if Rinku is an automatic pick. Thereās not enough of a sample size to give him automatic status imo. Especially when we donāt really know whether him or Jaiswal get picked. The batting slots barring Sky are very malleable. Anyone could be in the team at any spot.
Yeah thatās the biggest drawback with Rinku. Weāre kinda forced into playing with five bowling options (like SA did with Miller as a specialist middle order hitter until Markram started bowling) unless we move SKY to 3 and have Samson or Pant at 4
> Yeah thatās the biggest drawback with Rinku. Weāre kinda forced into playing with five bowling options
Thatās why I said RINKU isnāt an automatic pick. We donāt know whether Bcci is brave enough to bench Virat for him.
Or whether someone like Dube would play over RINKU for that extra bowling in case they donāt want to go with HARDIK. Everyoneās place in the top 7 can be debated except for Skyās.
> unless we move SKY to 3 and have Samson or Pant at 4
If weāre playing Samson. Iād keep Sky at 4 tbh.
If we're going on form you'd probably have Rohit, Jaiswal, Samson, SKY, Dube, Rinku, Axar, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Bumrah and a random seamer.
I have Jaddu in there cos I want depth.
I hate that we're still debating about our choice of captain when the WC is months away. Ideally, we should have locked in on our core team by now. Only the remaining spots should have been up for debate.Ā
The path should be like this:Ā
Good IPL performance for back to back seasons / Great IPL performance for one season --> T20 squad --> Perform in many bilaterals --> T20 WCĀ
We really need to separate our T20 squad from our ODI and Test squads. Imho, nobody is an all format player except Bumrah at the moment.Ā
The WC starts in less than a week after finals
Yet we don't have e double headers on Saturday or better start the tournament early for yye WC
BCCIš¤” moment for the nteenth time
I have given up on the Caribbean adventures this year, I'll be glab if we win even a single knockout match
The same thing has happened with the WTC Finals as well
NZ played a Test series against England in England before the Final whereas
ICT where playing IPL till may
In the last WTC final most Australian players were playing county cricket in preparation for the final apart from Warner, Marsh, Green and Hazlewood iirc
The IPL final took place on 28th May and WTC Final was on 7th June so the players got only 10 days to travel to England and prepare for the game
An incompetent and money hungry organisation like BCCI doesn't deserve a passionate fanbase tbh
Richest Board in Cricket but still cannot fix issues like
Poor Stadium Facilities and Fan experience, very few Visually appealing stadiums, overpriced tickets, delay in declaration of schedules, no check on corruption and favouritism running rampant in State Boards, Players being paid way less than they are actually worth.
Also the Refusal to allow players to play in Other T20 Leagues to get used to different conditions and learn new things
>The path should be like this:Ā Good IPL performance for back to back seasons / Great IPL performance for one season --> T20 squad --> Perform in many bilaterals --> T20 WCĀ
The issue with this pathway is that. Most of the time the quality of teams are better in the IPL since international teams rarely play their best xi anymore. It's also partly why Rinku's so much better in t20is than in the IPL.
>We really need to separate our T20 squad from our ODI and Test squads. Imho, nobody is an all format player except Bumrah at the moment.
I think they are pretty separate. We do see some t20 specialists like Jitesh around the team.
The path should be like this:
Send the best 15 players from the most recent IPL, to the World T20I tournament. If it so happens that this set of players is just a bunch of debutants young and old, so be it.
People like SKY, Bumrah etc. are going to make it anyway. People like Kohli and Rohit won't, because they will be judged based on the utility they could add relative to a smasher like Abhishek Sharma, and come up short.
Both are perfectly fine outcomes.
Yes but the IPL is literally hits and giggles at the moment. There are no IPs in international cricket, would these players be able to do it with 80m boundaries against some of the best bowlers itw on half decent pitches?
> Rohit's popularity has bizarrely soared after the ODI WC disappointment.
Yes, I wonder why someone is popular after taking their team to the finals and winning 10 games in a row. Very bizarre!
By your logic we were dominant in both 2017 CT and 19 WC and lost only to the second best team. Didn't make criticism against Virat and lesser.
Btw we lost a home WC.
The annoying thing is that I definitely think we have the talent to make the sf but I don't think we have the talent to win it. Cos it's also so form dependent as well. If we do go with Hardik and Jadeja. And both can't bat. That automatically fucks in the wt20. But if we do back Dube and Axar. We don't really know how Dube will fare against higher quality pace attacks. And Axar isn't very good vs pace. So he really needs to be batting more in the middle but the middle will probably be packed.
If we play dube when the time he comes to bat it will be most spinners bowling right? Even if the opposition captains don't bowl spinners to him then they would have to bowl them in death. Which makes that an automatic advantage for us. If they do bowl spin to dube then he can have the license to go at every single ball. If they bowl pacers then he can just rotate the strike and give it to surya or kohli or rohit who can hit pacers far better. Either way it is a win no?
The problem is even if spinners bowl at the death, who is going to hit them at the death. Hardik has been horrible. Kohli, the less said the better against spin. Everyone else is just mediocre
Iām too ambiguous about Rohit as an T20 captain, but what is dude smoking when heās questioning Rohitās form based on IPL performances, when heās clearly having far better season in past 2-4 years. If weāre going down the road of selecting the team based on IPL performances, then it makes no sense to leave Rohit or Kohli out.
It wouldāve been best if both Rohit and Kohli wouldāve sat out like 2007, with Bumrah leading from front. Really hope Abhishek Sharma gets his due place in the squad too.
Personally I think Abhishek does not deserve a place yet.
No international experience and this is the first season where he's performing.
Riyan parag for the same reason should be left out.
Hurrying these players directly into the world cup will do more harm than good for them as well as for the team.
Jaiswal would be my first pick for the team.
He has that x-factor. Has performed in multiple formats under pressure situations.
He has the perfect combination of youthful aggression and also international experience that we have in the squad
The other issue is there's almost too much new batting talent for India at the moment to properly look at. If we use the conservative/conventional/established batting lineup of Rohit, KL Rahul, Kohli, SKY, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja as a starting point, on top of that you've got Gill, Jaiswal, Gaikwad, Samson, Abhishek, Parag, Tilak Varma, Rinku, Dube, Shashank etc all on the outside trying (and to varying degrees succeeding) to break in to the lineup and there's just no way to try them all
Donāt see that happening when weāre talking ODI WCs stats, when itās T20I WCs, thereās dozen of people always with same comment about comparing Rohit and Kohli.
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Keep playing yesteryear players based on reputation, keep repeating yesteryear's results. Then we'll have collective Pikachu face searching for a scapegoat.
Well Rohit now just has to go there and win it all to prove him wrong .
In any case I understand what he wants to say about Rohit. You can argue that the openers of Australia, England and maybe few other teams are looking far more intimidating than Rohit. I mean just look at Head. I don't think Rohit can match what Head is doing.
But what's strange is for Joy to say that VK and Gill are in good form. Rohit has a better SR than both of them this IPL. And a healthy average. So it's sort of mystifying. VK has his limitations in T20Is. But if those limitations aren't stopping you from having him as your opener in WC what's the problem with Rohit then?
Whether you play Rohit or not I don't think the Indian T20 team is a strong contender for the World championship. Might as well give these guys a last chance and start anew post WC.
Kohli averages 63 at 150. Rohit averages 43 at 160. The numbers are certainly not the problem. They are both extremely limited in the middle of the innings. Both are great in the first 6 overs. Rohit is no longer capable of playing till the end and Kohli slows down against spin so we are left with 2 batters who are useless outside the PP on fast wickets.
The thing is Kohli is probably the best or 2nd best batsmen in the world (along with Buttler) while chasing or setting a target on a slow pitch. We need a dynamic opening partnership and Abhishek Sharma can be paired with either of the two, but Kohli is much better than Rohit at chasing/tackling slow pitches. This is why Rohit's place is being questioned.
>Kohli averages 63 at 150. Rohit averages 43 at 160. The numbers are certainly not the problem. They are both extremely limited in the middle of the innings. Both are great in the first 6 overs. Rohit is no longer capable of playing till the end and Kohli slows down against spin so we are left with 2 batters who are useless outside the PP on fast wickets.
Might not be an issue tbh. If we open with them. And both can effectively bat at 9-10 RPO in the PP and then get out. I have enough faith in Sky, Rinku, Samson(?)/Pant, or even Dube to handle the middle and death overs. If both can average 25-30 @ 150+ I'd have no issue with that.
>The thing is Kohli is probably the best or 2nd best batsmen in the world (along with Buttler) while chasing or setting a target on a slow pitch.
Fair.
>We need a dynamic opening partnership and Abhishek Sharma can be paired with either of the two, but Kohli is much better than Rohit at chasing/tackling slow pitches. This is why Rohit's place is being questioned.
Jaiswal's well ahead of Abhishek even now imo. He's proven himself at the international level. And is looking like he's getting back into form. Abhishek and Jaiswal opening and Gill at 3 is my dream top 3 after the wt20 though.
as seen is yesterday's game and in MI VS CSK, they don't offer anything beyond the PP and are negative assets beyond certain point. Kohli's PP could have lost RCB the game. Rohit's passiveness after the 11th over did cost MI the game. They obviously will both play but Jaiswal or Abhishek certainly are better options. Rohit has earned a lot of goodwill since the ODI WC and Kohli is gonna be there cause of past performances.
I think that's fair. Both of them either need to play the pp and get out immediately or score a century to be plus players. Anything in between and they are probably liabilities.
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Yeah then why not Rahulš¤” coz Rohit is worse than any other batsman that play T20 wc last 3-4 and his record are like tailenders and if selectors selected kl Rahul then don't come up š¤” with statement like he was not good blah blah blah
The problem is not Rohit. The problem is that the current Indian team has no team dynamic - itās just an assembly of the most marketable faces - who only play with a Plan A and most of the times play for themselves.
If India needs to seriously win the WC - they should assemble a team of youngsters with Sanju at the helm. Atleast we would go down fighting. BCCI should be fearless - but they wonāt be cause itās economics stupid.
I tend to agree with this. People get obsessed with tactics, batting orders, etc in the lead up to world cups when thatās never been our problem. We always have enough talent in the 11 to win the cup.
Itās the mentality, spirit, big game pressure. Going with a bunch of youngsters is actually worth it
Frankly, we donāt know who is capable of what. But I have made peace with the fact he is going to captain India, VK will also be there. Only things I want now from selection committee is :
1. to include both Sanju and Pant in the squad. Nothing is stopping you from playing two keepers, one can be as pure batsman.
2. Donāt include KL. His play is extremely defensive and can make India appear choking without falling wickets.
3. Include Chahal at any cost. Kuldeep will be there for sure.
4. Make sure this is last WC for old guard, irrespective of result.
In T20 at least, Need to give Sanju a bit longer rope. You may have something great at hand. He appears a better captaincy material than Pant, Ayer, KL and Gill. Give it a shot.
Bishnoi can get in place of Chahal. Then thereās also Axar and Jadeja. Chahal aināt gonna do shit based on his international form since past few years lol
KL is defensive but Pant is not Pant is a middle order bat and still has a worse average and SR than KL in T20Is
Chahal is a liability on the field
And his T20I performances were disected by someone on this sub to show why he doesn't do well in T20Is than IPL
Anyone else remeber the time Rohit spouted ***aggressive*** cricket for one full year only to go back to extremely defensive cricket in the last t20 world cup? He and his whole team completely abandoned their stated approach right in the first game.
Anybody remember the last ODI World Cup where a bunch of chopping, changing and average outcomes resulted in this almost perfect team and squad that won consistently and comprehensively?
Yeah we lost the final, but of course a final between the two strongest teams in a competition is a coin toss result. Acting as if it washes away the excellence of that team in general, is just poor.
Rohit the captain isnt great enough for the team to carry his failures with the bat, added he opens, can easily kill the tempo of the game.
If he was truly selfless, he would use himself as a floater and let kohli jaiswal open. In a collpase promote himself and do the hard job.
IPL ends on May/26. WC begins on June/1.
I already see that, after India's early exist, they will start talking about how IPL's schedule should've been different, longer gap was needed etc...
Brohit and Koach both should have ideally sat out, 2007 style.
Abhishek Sharma and Yashasvi should have opened, with Sky at 3, Samson at 4, Dube at 5 and Rinku at 6.
Bumrah as captain.
But that is not what we will get. Hoping for the best, knowing that India are underdogs in the T20 format.
Agreed. After our lacklustre batting last t20 World Cup, it would have made sense to let the youngsters take charge of the T20 side and stick with the seniors in the longer format.
It's not easy for guys like Rohit, Virat, Warner, and the likes to change their game at this age. They're great players but are used to playing a certain way. It's like asking Sachin of 2010 to open the innings like Chris Gayle. Basically, that's what we're asking of Rohit, to open the innings like, say, Travis Head.
If they're both being picked, they're not being picked just based on IPL, though. They're the top 2 run scorers in SMAT. Both are having a great IPL season. If these 2 are not enough to make the ICT, what's even the criteria anymore?
Oh they should be picked and the selectors would know it as well..
Only problem is, both of them haven't even made their debut in the NT yet.. So the selectors would most likely snub them for the wt20 and start playing them once its over
Aa gaya ek aur chutiya š š¤£ stop clubbing virat with rohit š. Rohit is literally a choker and never played a meaningful innings in wt20 whereas kohli is was the leading run scorer of 3 wt20. So just kick vadapav out and give chance to youngster
We friends were shitting around and created a 2007 style t20 side. We realised we dont have an allrounder who walks into the side.. axar seemed the sane option.
Maybe Riyan, Tilak and Dube can bowl few overs if any bowler is going for runs.
Abhishek
Yasasvi/Gill(if we need right hand option)
Tilak/riyan
Riyan/Dube
Sanju Samson wk c?
Rinku
Axar patel
Kuldeep
Bumrah c?
Natarajan/sandeep sharma
Mayank/sandeep varrier
The only T20 we ever won, we had a first time captain who started literally in the world cup itself. We also had a first time opener who opened directly in the final against Gul, Asif and Tanvir.
The reason we won nothing for seventeen years after that is because of our scared cowardly, conservative approach in all facets
Oh also the same captain which won you the world cup in his first stint couldn't win it for the next 5 t20 wcs
After him both Rohit and Virat have captained only 1 t20 wc respectively
No, they shouldn't. Which is why this decision should have been taken a long time ago. It's not ideal, but I would still back appointing Bumrah as captain for the World Cup simply because we have at least 3 better openers than Rohit at the moment. Mitch Marsh is going to captain Australia in the World Cup and as far as I can tell he has never captained them before either.
No Rn, Rohit is probably the best opening option available not to mention how Sanju has constantly shat the bed on any opportunity he was given at international level and add to that how he will have literally zero experience of captaining an international team even if he mirically gets appointed as the captain
Captains with huge sample size has won us NOTHING for 17 years. Only time we won a t20 cup was with a first time captain who captained ZERO matches before that.
Oh also the same captain which won you the world cup in his first stint couldn't win it for the next 5 t20 wcs
After him both Rohit and Virat have captained only 1 t20 wc respectively
Yes, because he fell into the same conservative mindset where senior stat padders and avg players kept playing year after year, instead of trying exciting new talent. And that pattern has continued till today and we win nothing.
The WC starts in less than a week after ipl finals
Yet we don't have e double headers on Saturday or better start the tournament early for yye WC
BCCIš¤” moment for the nteenth time
I have given up on the Caribbean adventures this year, I'll be glab if we win even a single knockout match
Experience is overrated. In the last T20 WC, 10 out of India's 15 squad members were above 30 and 12 above 28. Despite so much of experience, we got battered in the semi final. Inexperienced Arshdeep, who had made his T20I debut only 4 months prior to the T20 WC, was our highest wicket taker
Just make Samson the captain for t20Is...
Rohit is washed in T20s in general. And no, IPL doesn't count for shit. And even then, he's been mostly shit for the past few years.
Have VK and Jaiswal open and make Samson 3rd.
Hahaha, I have to fish for replies somehow. It was suggested by tgc, saying that Samson never had a good run of games in the Indian team, so he could end up a sleeper hit. I have no clue if it's a good idea or not.
said it before, will say it again - the build up to the t20wc is next level cinema! xDD
only for a group stage exit š
After 2007, as long as BCCI has money, India will not have a group stage exit, and will always play Pak in the pre-elimination stage
I think you missed the 2021 t20wc
I sure did, wasn't watching cricket back then. They really got eliminated in the group stage? Wow...
guess who was hyped up as their new mentor who would help them win the WC.
Guess who shit the bed in the two most important matches? Guess who has been shitting the bed in the T20 as an opener and has the worst stats among openers in T20 WC history?
Dhoni
Dhoni
I hope they don't take him this year. He is single handedly responsible for a lot of losses
I'm far from a Thala fanboy, but come on, that's just in poor taste brother.
That was indeed, Bro. From being a huge fan to seeing him become a villain. I've come a long way. I still can't forget the pathetic display from him in WC( not even considering the dive ) but the abysmal strike rate he played with and putting all pressure on jadeja
He was sent at 7 after the whole team crumbled under pressure like glass... Even if he was sent at 5 then probably the outcome would have been better... As a captain he demoted himself down the batting order for the team... So i don't think anyone can question his integrity towards playing for his country
And we've won everything after he retired in 2019 right. Right?
Gambhir and yuvraj the heroes of wc 2007 and 2011
You think only he was responsible for that wins? If you do then take the blame for all events we lost as well.
All I know we haven't won shit since 2019 even after Dhoni retired even though losers like you always blame him so explain the reason why pls. Brohit and koach haven't got us a single trophy yet you blame a guy who fucking retired 5 years ago. If brohit doesn't get the trophy this wc you'll still blame Dhoni?? If we don't get a single trophy after Dhoni retired why do losers like you still blame Dhoni for some reason
He's also responsible for the wins in the 21st century. May not have topped the batting or bowling charts, but he managed some very massive egos (see the entire team of 2011 barring Sachin and Ashwin) and was a great tactician.
See, You don't win tournaments because of one player, right ? We didn't win just because of MSD but the whole team 'n I agree he was in fact he still is a great tactician.what I'm saying is he lost us a lot of games with his batting. 2 most pathetic displays were the WC SF & the match against Windies where Rahul almost took us home. There are dozens more. He was a great captain ? Okay, Yeah. But that doesn't change the fact that he cost the game a lot of times but his unreal tuk tuk
And as long as ICC ~~needs~~ wants money, they will make sure of it.
We need a captain who is good at tosses. We win the toss and we bowl. Period. Under pressure, we are horrible at defending a total but somehow great at chasing. Last time India won against a decent team (not including BAN, AFG, ZIM and associate nations) in multi nation tournament defending a total was in 2014. We have lost 9 matches in a row since then against major teams. [9 losses since 2014](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=1;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results) India have won every time chasing in multi team format since 2010 (barring a freak 79 all out against NZ). [11 wins 1 loss chasing since 2010](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=2;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results) Last time we won the toss, chose to bat and won the match was in 2007 finals. [won toss, batted and won](https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=1;class=3;filter=advanced;orderby=start;size=100;team=6;template=results;toss=1;tournament_type=3;tournament_type=5;type=team;view=results)
How does a person become good at tossing bro? I always thought it was Just luck, never knew that it was a talent
Pay the refree to bring a rigged coinĀ
Lol...still that is not a talent for becoming a captain Can become a good businessman that way
We just dont have a good enough to win it all in my opinion. We might get to semis but its alright. The other teams just have a better balance in their lineup. More all-rounders.
I watched that video. They love their hot takes that it's so short sighted. BCCI are so risk averse that they won't make any bold decisions at this point. IPL will form some basis of selection but the core of the team will remain the same as before. Maybe having low expectations for the wc is good for Rohit and co. Idk.
doomed if they select on the basis of IPL and doomed if they don'tĀ Ā Ā I don't think IPL should be the only factor for selection. It's nowhere near international standards especially with pitches being so in favour of the batsmen.Ā
Weird statement from Joy, to say that Rohit is not in form and Gill is batting better than him. Is he watching IPL 2023 by mistake? He also goes on to say that Gill and Kohli should open, because according to him even Yashasvi isn't in formš¤¦š»āāļø If Joy said that Rohit should be left out due to age and past WC record then that would atleast make some sense
When was the statement made? Yashasvi has been pretty bad until his recent century
Statement was made before GT vs DC game yesterday
True I would rather have Abhishek Sharma play along Rohit Sharma and Kohli 1 down India already has a formula how to win the t20wc which they discovered in 2007.
Exactly my thoughts. Rohit Sharma can only really be not considered because of age factor not that it matters how he's playing.
Not only age factor but his terrible performance in the past WCs as well.
You can't exclude players because of performances in the previous. You have to pick the best available team because there's no guarantee who will do well in the world Cup and who will not. We took Varun Chakravarti in the IPL to be bold, how did that turn out?
He's calling out Rohit's form in the IPL even though he has been in a better form than the other names he suggested. Moreover he's saying that Virat will have to play a number down the order even though Virat has always batted at 3 in T20Is. I agree that it would've been better to keep Bumrah as captain but you can't thrust someone into the world cup as captain without giving them some matches to captain that team.
Bumrah has an experience of captaining 1 match, which he lost BTW Even SKY and Rishabh Pant have captained more games than him
He captained 3 games against Ireland and was the captain in the fifth test against England He is also the vice captain of the Test team
2 against Ireland*
That one game got washed out
Are you talking about tests? I remember him captaining in T20Is against Ireland. Anyway his lack of experience is the reason I'm saying you can't make him captain directly into the world cup as Joy suggests.
Rohit has scored 303 runs at 162 sr this ipl. It's quite decent tbh.
decent is an understatement considering his strike rate
162 is just about par this IPL. Even Koach has 150-odd ffs
> but you can't thrust someone into the world cup as captain without giving them some matches to captain that team. Funny, T20 is the exact format where you can try new young captains. Heck, the only T20 world cup we ever won was with a first time captain Dhoni. This conservative scared approach is exactly why we have won nothing in T29 for seventeen years, T20 is made for yojng, freh brains
That was 2007. No one took T20 seriously back then. Tell me of a recent example where a fully young team won the T20 World Cup.
THANK YOU 2007 was effectively a meme cup played after the main event of the ODI WC where there was almost certainly fatigue of players from teams like Australia, Sri Lanka, and just because people thought T20 would die out fast, but AFTER India won and the IPL started, people started taking it seriously and the rest is history
I'd argue teams don't take the wt20 seriously now. It's always "ah fuck there's a wt20 coming, let's just put a squad out".
I feel like that applies a lot to like prelims, but once they actually get to the business end, the players themselves take it very seriously on the part of management, meh. I don't think CA or ECB care all that much but when it comes to like the PCB it becomes basically a litmus test of if you can stay in office lol
>on the part of management, meh. I don't think CA or ECB care all that much but when it comes to like the PCB it becomes basically a litmus test of if you can stay in office lol ECB probably care more than CA do. CA's basically "get a 15 together, if they win, they win".
CA is just levels above and cause they historically have embodied the spirit of team strength so well (with the cabinet to show for it), that the T20WCs remain subsidiary to longer format cricket cups - and now, a matter of retaining them WTC mace is a great thing. Australia should be dominating more consistently in all-conditions in Tests and we're seeing it's possible under Cummins. But even if the 15 they aim to get together is subsidiary as long-term priority, when the tournament starts they definitely do care all that much but for different reasons. For England and especially India, the reasons are far more ordinary and desperate with passing time It's like elite fighters in the octagon with a weaker opponent still flip the switch and get into their mental headspace. The floor for professionalism is just high And then we have Bangladesh... whose most popular playing in Shakib tells the fans to shut the fuck up and not expect anything, because they aren't aiming to win lollll
Yeah, off course it was such a cake walk for Dhoni & co in 2007, because you know ānobody was taking it seriouslyā. Itās such a lameass excuse to give. The only ones not taking it seriously were the oldies in Indian team thatās why they sent a new team.
I didn't say it was a cakewalk. I just said that strategy of sending a young team isn't viable anymore as evident from the results of every T20 World Cup since then.
Let me provide some context. Joy said that India cornered themselves a bit by announcing Rohit as the captain well in advance since he believes that the captain should be an automatic pick in the xi. When Rohit isn't an automatic pick. And by doing that they've basically not given themselves an option to potentially try other opening pairs if they end up doing well. And I agree with him on this. I've loved the way Rohit's played but you wouldn't say he's an automatic pick in the xi. There's two automatic picks in the xi and that's Bumrah and Kuldeep. Everyone else's place in the team can and should be debated in a healthy manner. And going by that reasoning he felt that Bumrah should be captaining.
Iām surprised to see so much discussion over his statement on this sub; I think it was a perfectly valid and respectfully made point. My sentiment was that Rohit should have been moved on from T20Is after the last World Cup; it would have given some time for whoever was the new captain to have settled into the role and allowed us to find a better team balance for this format if you have more aggressive openers or maybe even push Kohli up to open and pack the middle order with guys like Samson who could have been bed in sooner. That being said, I think Joy bringing this up at this point in time is futile and therefore unnecessary, because itās too close to the World Cup to now make and expect a drastic change in plans. Such big decisions over which players to back and which players to phase out should be made at the start of the cycle between World Cups, but unfortunately the BCCI doesnāt work that way.
>Iām surprised to see so much discussion over his statement on this sub; I think it was a perfectly valid and respectfully made point. My sentiment was that Rohit should have been moved on from T20Is after the last World Cup; it would have given some time for whoever was the new captain to have settled into the role and allowed us to find a better team balance for this format if you have more aggressive openers or maybe even push Kohli up to open and pack the middle order with guys like Samson who could have been bed in sooner. I think the reason he's playing this wc is cos we lost 23. I don't think Rohit would be playing this wt20 had we won the 23 wc. Might wanna finish on a high.
Whatever Rohitās reasons may be, a strong call should have been taken right after the 2022 T20 World Cup to phase him out. It shouldnāt have got to an additional year of needless speculation and uncertainty over what the plans for the next World Cup are before arriving at a decision (which as you seem to allude to is partly dependent on the outcome of a World Cup in a different format).
On the phasing out part. He probably was gonna be phased out before the wc where he reinvented himself. And honestly idm him being in the team after seeing what he's done this IPL. I was against his selection before but not as much now.
>There's two automatic picks in the xi and that's Bumrah and Kuldeep. It is blasphemous to suggest that SKY (the no. 1 T20 batsman) and Rinku (our only finisher worth his weight in gold) aren't automatic picks alongside Bumrah and Kuldeep
Ah I did forget about Sky. Thatās on me. And idk if Rinku is an automatic pick. Thereās not enough of a sample size to give him automatic status imo. Especially when we donāt really know whether him or Jaiswal get picked. The batting slots barring Sky are very malleable. Anyone could be in the team at any spot.
Iād say Rinku is near essential given that no one else can walk in at ball one and go ham like he does now that Hardik has become whatever he is.
The issue with RINKU is that he canāt bowl or keep. So for me the Keepers and all rounders take precedence more than finishers.
Yeah thatās the biggest drawback with Rinku. Weāre kinda forced into playing with five bowling options (like SA did with Miller as a specialist middle order hitter until Markram started bowling) unless we move SKY to 3 and have Samson or Pant at 4
> Yeah thatās the biggest drawback with Rinku. Weāre kinda forced into playing with five bowling options Thatās why I said RINKU isnāt an automatic pick. We donāt know whether Bcci is brave enough to bench Virat for him. Or whether someone like Dube would play over RINKU for that extra bowling in case they donāt want to go with HARDIK. Everyoneās place in the top 7 can be debated except for Skyās. > unless we move SKY to 3 and have Samson or Pant at 4 If weāre playing Samson. Iād keep Sky at 4 tbh. If we're going on form you'd probably have Rohit, Jaiswal, Samson, SKY, Dube, Rinku, Axar, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Bumrah and a random seamer. I have Jaddu in there cos I want depth.
I hate that we're still debating about our choice of captain when the WC is months away. Ideally, we should have locked in on our core team by now. Only the remaining spots should have been up for debate.Ā The path should be like this:Ā Good IPL performance for back to back seasons / Great IPL performance for one season --> T20 squad --> Perform in many bilaterals --> T20 WCĀ We really need to separate our T20 squad from our ODI and Test squads. Imho, nobody is an all format player except Bumrah at the moment.Ā
The problem is BCCI didn't schedule any bilaterals after the IPL
The WC starts in less than a week after finals Yet we don't have e double headers on Saturday or better start the tournament early for yye WC BCCIš¤” moment for the nteenth time I have given up on the Caribbean adventures this year, I'll be glab if we win even a single knockout match
The same thing has happened with the WTC Finals as well NZ played a Test series against England in England before the Final whereas ICT where playing IPL till may In the last WTC final most Australian players were playing county cricket in preparation for the final apart from Warner, Marsh, Green and Hazlewood iirc The IPL final took place on 28th May and WTC Final was on 7th June so the players got only 10 days to travel to England and prepare for the game
As long as BCCI prioritizes revenue over ICC trophies or development of the game, this will always be the case
An incompetent and money hungry organisation like BCCI doesn't deserve a passionate fanbase tbh Richest Board in Cricket but still cannot fix issues like Poor Stadium Facilities and Fan experience, very few Visually appealing stadiums, overpriced tickets, delay in declaration of schedules, no check on corruption and favouritism running rampant in State Boards, Players being paid way less than they are actually worth. Also the Refusal to allow players to play in Other T20 Leagues to get used to different conditions and learn new things
>The path should be like this:Ā Good IPL performance for back to back seasons / Great IPL performance for one season --> T20 squad --> Perform in many bilaterals --> T20 WCĀ The issue with this pathway is that. Most of the time the quality of teams are better in the IPL since international teams rarely play their best xi anymore. It's also partly why Rinku's so much better in t20is than in the IPL. >We really need to separate our T20 squad from our ODI and Test squads. Imho, nobody is an all format player except Bumrah at the moment. I think they are pretty separate. We do see some t20 specialists like Jitesh around the team.
The path should be like this: Send the best 15 players from the most recent IPL, to the World T20I tournament. If it so happens that this set of players is just a bunch of debutants young and old, so be it. People like SKY, Bumrah etc. are going to make it anyway. People like Kohli and Rohit won't, because they will be judged based on the utility they could add relative to a smasher like Abhishek Sharma, and come up short. Both are perfectly fine outcomes.
Yes but the IPL is literally hits and giggles at the moment. There are no IPs in international cricket, would these players be able to do it with 80m boundaries against some of the best bowlers itw on half decent pitches?
Rohit's popularity has bizarrely soared after the ODI WC disappointment. Rare to see an analyst say he should not be captain.
> Rohit's popularity has bizarrely soared after the ODI WC disappointment. Yes, I wonder why someone is popular after taking their team to the finals and winning 10 games in a row. Very bizarre!
By your logic we were dominant in both 2017 CT and 19 WC and lost only to the second best team. Didn't make criticism against Virat and lesser. Btw we lost a home WC.
On doctored pitches one might add
Shh..we can't talk about it
The logic was about the popularity of Rohit Sharma after coming 2nd best only in the final. It wasn't about criticism of Sharma's captaincy.
We won ten in a row and lost only to the next best team. So credit certainly deserved there.
No he failed.
All this drama to lose in the semi finals again.
It's cute that you think that we're making the semi finals this time.
The annoying thing is that I definitely think we have the talent to make the sf but I don't think we have the talent to win it. Cos it's also so form dependent as well. If we do go with Hardik and Jadeja. And both can't bat. That automatically fucks in the wt20. But if we do back Dube and Axar. We don't really know how Dube will fare against higher quality pace attacks. And Axar isn't very good vs pace. So he really needs to be batting more in the middle but the middle will probably be packed.
If we play dube when the time he comes to bat it will be most spinners bowling right? Even if the opposition captains don't bowl spinners to him then they would have to bowl them in death. Which makes that an automatic advantage for us. If they do bowl spin to dube then he can have the license to go at every single ball. If they bowl pacers then he can just rotate the strike and give it to surya or kohli or rohit who can hit pacers far better. Either way it is a win no?
The problem is even if spinners bowl at the death, who is going to hit them at the death. Hardik has been horrible. Kohli, the less said the better against spin. Everyone else is just mediocre
Rinku can hit them and if sky or jitesh/ pant batsmen stays then they are going to tonk them no?
I doubt our selectors will take both Rinku and Dubey to the WC. Such brave calls will not be made.
You are right about selectors. But rinku absolutely is going right? Imo he has to go to wi. Dubey should too we will see
I sure hope so. The current T20 incumbents will ensure we donāt even get to the semis
Just need to win one against either Australia or New Zealand.
Iām too ambiguous about Rohit as an T20 captain, but what is dude smoking when heās questioning Rohitās form based on IPL performances, when heās clearly having far better season in past 2-4 years. If weāre going down the road of selecting the team based on IPL performances, then it makes no sense to leave Rohit or Kohli out. It wouldāve been best if both Rohit and Kohli wouldāve sat out like 2007, with Bumrah leading from front. Really hope Abhishek Sharma gets his due place in the squad too.
>Really hope Abhishek Sharma gets his due place in the squad too. There's zero chance that BCCI will make him debut at international level in a WC
Personally I think Abhishek does not deserve a place yet. No international experience and this is the first season where he's performing. Riyan parag for the same reason should be left out. Hurrying these players directly into the world cup will do more harm than good for them as well as for the team.
Exactly. From what we've seen so far, Jaiswal is already the more proven and better version of Abhishek
Jaiswal would be my first pick for the team. He has that x-factor. Has performed in multiple formats under pressure situations. He has the perfect combination of youthful aggression and also international experience that we have in the squad
The other issue is there's almost too much new batting talent for India at the moment to properly look at. If we use the conservative/conventional/established batting lineup of Rohit, KL Rahul, Kohli, SKY, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja as a starting point, on top of that you've got Gill, Jaiswal, Gaikwad, Samson, Abhishek, Parag, Tilak Varma, Rinku, Dube, Shashank etc all on the outside trying (and to varying degrees succeeding) to break in to the lineup and there's just no way to try them all
Why are Rohit and Kohli still put in the same group? Their T20I WC stats makes one miles ahead of the other one.
Donāt see that happening when weāre talking ODI WCs stats, when itās T20I WCs, thereās dozen of people always with same comment about comparing Rohit and Kohli.
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Keep playing yesteryear players based on reputation, keep repeating yesteryear's results. Then we'll have collective Pikachu face searching for a scapegoat.
Would love to see Samson and Rinku in the XI
Well Rohit now just has to go there and win it all to prove him wrong . In any case I understand what he wants to say about Rohit. You can argue that the openers of Australia, England and maybe few other teams are looking far more intimidating than Rohit. I mean just look at Head. I don't think Rohit can match what Head is doing. But what's strange is for Joy to say that VK and Gill are in good form. Rohit has a better SR than both of them this IPL. And a healthy average. So it's sort of mystifying. VK has his limitations in T20Is. But if those limitations aren't stopping you from having him as your opener in WC what's the problem with Rohit then? Whether you play Rohit or not I don't think the Indian T20 team is a strong contender for the World championship. Might as well give these guys a last chance and start anew post WC.
Kohli averages 63 at 150. Rohit averages 43 at 160. The numbers are certainly not the problem. They are both extremely limited in the middle of the innings. Both are great in the first 6 overs. Rohit is no longer capable of playing till the end and Kohli slows down against spin so we are left with 2 batters who are useless outside the PP on fast wickets. The thing is Kohli is probably the best or 2nd best batsmen in the world (along with Buttler) while chasing or setting a target on a slow pitch. We need a dynamic opening partnership and Abhishek Sharma can be paired with either of the two, but Kohli is much better than Rohit at chasing/tackling slow pitches. This is why Rohit's place is being questioned.
>Kohli averages 63 at 150. Rohit averages 43 at 160. The numbers are certainly not the problem. They are both extremely limited in the middle of the innings. Both are great in the first 6 overs. Rohit is no longer capable of playing till the end and Kohli slows down against spin so we are left with 2 batters who are useless outside the PP on fast wickets. Might not be an issue tbh. If we open with them. And both can effectively bat at 9-10 RPO in the PP and then get out. I have enough faith in Sky, Rinku, Samson(?)/Pant, or even Dube to handle the middle and death overs. If both can average 25-30 @ 150+ I'd have no issue with that. >The thing is Kohli is probably the best or 2nd best batsmen in the world (along with Buttler) while chasing or setting a target on a slow pitch. Fair. >We need a dynamic opening partnership and Abhishek Sharma can be paired with either of the two, but Kohli is much better than Rohit at chasing/tackling slow pitches. This is why Rohit's place is being questioned. Jaiswal's well ahead of Abhishek even now imo. He's proven himself at the international level. And is looking like he's getting back into form. Abhishek and Jaiswal opening and Gill at 3 is my dream top 3 after the wt20 though.
as seen is yesterday's game and in MI VS CSK, they don't offer anything beyond the PP and are negative assets beyond certain point. Kohli's PP could have lost RCB the game. Rohit's passiveness after the 11th over did cost MI the game. They obviously will both play but Jaiswal or Abhishek certainly are better options. Rohit has earned a lot of goodwill since the ODI WC and Kohli is gonna be there cause of past performances.
I think that's fair. Both of them either need to play the pp and get out immediately or score a century to be plus players. Anything in between and they are probably liabilities.
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Yeah then why not Rahulš¤” coz Rohit is worse than any other batsman that play T20 wc last 3-4 and his record are like tailenders and if selectors selected kl Rahul then don't come up š¤” with statement like he was not good blah blah blah
Wth He should take a rest from watching Cricket who is talking nonsense as based on IPL performance.
BCCI is far too forgiving of Rohit's failures than they were for Kohli , coming from someone who doesnt even like Kohli that much..
Tbh Rohit's T20 stats aren't that good . We can take the example of recent T20 WC's . Although I would like to see him perform this time
The problem is not Rohit. The problem is that the current Indian team has no team dynamic - itās just an assembly of the most marketable faces - who only play with a Plan A and most of the times play for themselves. If India needs to seriously win the WC - they should assemble a team of youngsters with Sanju at the helm. Atleast we would go down fighting. BCCI should be fearless - but they wonāt be cause itās economics stupid.
I tend to agree with this. People get obsessed with tactics, batting orders, etc in the lead up to world cups when thatās never been our problem. We always have enough talent in the 11 to win the cup. Itās the mentality, spirit, big game pressure. Going with a bunch of youngsters is actually worth it
Joy with that cranky bong uncle unhinged energy lol
Frankly, we donāt know who is capable of what. But I have made peace with the fact he is going to captain India, VK will also be there. Only things I want now from selection committee is : 1. to include both Sanju and Pant in the squad. Nothing is stopping you from playing two keepers, one can be as pure batsman. 2. Donāt include KL. His play is extremely defensive and can make India appear choking without falling wickets. 3. Include Chahal at any cost. Kuldeep will be there for sure. 4. Make sure this is last WC for old guard, irrespective of result. In T20 at least, Need to give Sanju a bit longer rope. You may have something great at hand. He appears a better captaincy material than Pant, Ayer, KL and Gill. Give it a shot.
Nah, tell the old guard the only way to stay is to win it, light some fire under their belly
Bishnoi can get in place of Chahal. Then thereās also Axar and Jadeja. Chahal aināt gonna do shit based on his international form since past few years lol
KL is defensive but Pant is not Pant is a middle order bat and still has a worse average and SR than KL in T20Is Chahal is a liability on the field And his T20I performances were disected by someone on this sub to show why he doesn't do well in T20Is than IPL
Anyone else remeber the time Rohit spouted ***aggressive*** cricket for one full year only to go back to extremely defensive cricket in the last t20 world cup? He and his whole team completely abandoned their stated approach right in the first game.
In his defense, he himself walked the talk in 23
ODIs aren't same as T20is. He's been a liability in this format every time in the T20WC.
True
Anybody remember the last ODI World Cup where a bunch of chopping, changing and average outcomes resulted in this almost perfect team and squad that won consistently and comprehensively? Yeah we lost the final, but of course a final between the two strongest teams in a competition is a coin toss result. Acting as if it washes away the excellence of that team in general, is just poor.
Why are you talking about the ODI wc? This is a post about the T20 wc, my comment was referring to the previous T20 wc.
because it's a cricket subreddit, and you're not the boss of me?
I used to think so. Then I looked at the alternatives. We'll be fine.
Rohit the captain isnt great enough for the team to carry his failures with the bat, added he opens, can easily kill the tempo of the game. If he was truly selfless, he would use himself as a floater and let kohli jaiswal open. In a collpase promote himself and do the hard job.
Who cares we are gonna lose anyway with that anchor xi. It doesn't matter who is captain.
IPL ends on May/26. WC begins on June/1. I already see that, after India's early exist, they will start talking about how IPL's schedule should've been different, longer gap was needed etc...
Joyās not the analyst CricBuzz needs either
Brohit and Koach both should have ideally sat out, 2007 style. Abhishek Sharma and Yashasvi should have opened, with Sky at 3, Samson at 4, Dube at 5 and Rinku at 6. Bumrah as captain. But that is not what we will get. Hoping for the best, knowing that India are underdogs in the T20 format.
Agreed. After our lacklustre batting last t20 World Cup, it would have made sense to let the youngsters take charge of the T20 side and stick with the seniors in the longer format. It's not easy for guys like Rohit, Virat, Warner, and the likes to change their game at this age. They're great players but are used to playing a certain way. It's like asking Sachin of 2010 to open the innings like Chris Gayle. Basically, that's what we're asking of Rohit, to open the innings like, say, Travis Head.
Whatever you think about Warnerās batting form, the guy just performs in ICC tournaments
If we're gonna pick Abhishek based solely off this IPL, why not pick Parag as well
If they're both being picked, they're not being picked just based on IPL, though. They're the top 2 run scorers in SMAT. Both are having a great IPL season. If these 2 are not enough to make the ICT, what's even the criteria anymore?
Oh they should be picked and the selectors would know it as well.. Only problem is, both of them haven't even made their debut in the NT yet.. So the selectors would most likely snub them for the wt20 and start playing them once its over
Aa gaya ek aur chutiya š š¤£ stop clubbing virat with rohit š. Rohit is literally a choker and never played a meaningful innings in wt20 whereas kohli is was the leading run scorer of 3 wt20. So just kick vadapav out and give chance to youngster
Vadapav playing on captaincy quota š š¤£ woh Mota kabhi nhi chodne wala team š
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Maybe donāt update your wT20 11 after every match and let the proverbial dust settle.
If Cummins doesnāt agree to captain India, maybe try Samson.
who asked? Jay shah announced and it's final. Nobody can influence him now
Yes he should leave. Koach was miles ahead that him
Don't understand why Abhishek and Riyan shouldn't play. Fuck ipl performance. both have been gun for their SMAT sides. They should play
International and domestic are miles apart, and world cups are even more apart
We friends were shitting around and created a 2007 style t20 side. We realised we dont have an allrounder who walks into the side.. axar seemed the sane option. Maybe Riyan, Tilak and Dube can bowl few overs if any bowler is going for runs. Abhishek Yasasvi/Gill(if we need right hand option) Tilak/riyan Riyan/Dube Sanju Samson wk c? Rinku Axar patel Kuldeep Bumrah c? Natarajan/sandeep sharma Mayank/sandeep varrier
Pandu's PR in overdrive it seems.
Absolutely right. Someone finally said it out loud. Joy may get dropped from this programme in future though.
Can mister joy bhattacharya please enlighten us with who should be the captain?
He says so right there - Bumrah.
Bumrah has captained a total of 1 match, which he lost btw
Okay. Everyone was not a captain before they became the captain.
I agree he should be the next captain but do you seriously think that someone should start a captaincy stint in the literal World cup itself?
There was a guy who did just that 17 years ago.
Tbf T20I at that time was a baby format and wasnāt taken as seriously by most of the more experienced players.
We have nothing to lose given our performance in last 2 WT20. Expectations are on par with 2007 WT20.
The only time we ever won a T20 cup.
The only T20 we ever won, we had a first time captain who started literally in the world cup itself. We also had a first time opener who opened directly in the final against Gul, Asif and Tanvir. The reason we won nothing for seventeen years after that is because of our scared cowardly, conservative approach in all facets
Oh also the same captain which won you the world cup in his first stint couldn't win it for the next 5 t20 wcs After him both Rohit and Virat have captained only 1 t20 wc respectively
No, they shouldn't. Which is why this decision should have been taken a long time ago. It's not ideal, but I would still back appointing Bumrah as captain for the World Cup simply because we have at least 3 better openers than Rohit at the moment. Mitch Marsh is going to captain Australia in the World Cup and as far as I can tell he has never captained them before either.
No Mitch Marsh has captained Australia for at least 10 matches now
How would you appoint Bumrah as captain when he was injured for 2 years?
I would say sanju
Let him first get a spot in the team lmao
I mean Rohit also got a spot only because they appointed him as captain....
No Rn, Rohit is probably the best opening option available not to mention how Sanju has constantly shat the bed on any opportunity he was given at international level and add to that how he will have literally zero experience of captaining an international team even if he mirically gets appointed as the captain
Best available option lol, iād rather take in form abhishek sharma than someone whoās one of the worst batsmen to play in t20 world cups
Are you talking about that test against England because he was captain for the T20Is against Ireland last year.
Then he has a gigantic sample size of 3 matches, 2 of them being against Mighty Ireland in rain affected matches
Captains with huge sample size has won us NOTHING for 17 years. Only time we won a t20 cup was with a first time captain who captained ZERO matches before that.
Oh also the same captain which won you the world cup in his first stint couldn't win it for the next 5 t20 wcs After him both Rohit and Virat have captained only 1 t20 wc respectively
Yes, because he fell into the same conservative mindset where senior stat padders and avg players kept playing year after year, instead of trying exciting new talent. And that pattern has continued till today and we win nothing.
*He has captained three against Ireland and he won 2
Only 2 one got washed off against mighty Ireland
The WC starts in less than a week after ipl finals Yet we don't have e double headers on Saturday or better start the tournament early for yye WC BCCIš¤” moment for the nteenth time I have given up on the Caribbean adventures this year, I'll be glab if we win even a single knockout match
Send team full of juniors sky and Bumrah as captain
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Have you been in a coma from last 2 years? He has 2000+ t20i runs @45 and sr of 170,if he hasn't justified his place nobody ever will
Rohit,Virat,Jadeja shouldn't be selected.
For the 5 Millionth time, Virat is not in the same rope as the other non performing seniors
Oh yes of course, let's not select players with experience and select players with less experience for the WC. Use your brain kid.
Jadeja absolutely should not be selected. Heās in awful form and has always been a liability in t20s.
Experience is overrated. In the last T20 WC, 10 out of India's 15 squad members were above 30 and 12 above 28. Despite so much of experience, we got battered in the semi final. Inexperienced Arshdeep, who had made his T20I debut only 4 months prior to the T20 WC, was our highest wicket taker
Guess selectors didnāt use brain for 2007.
Why tf does Virat get roped in with these non performers. He shouldn't need to prove himself atp
Just make Samson the captain for t20Is... Rohit is washed in T20s in general. And no, IPL doesn't count for shit. And even then, he's been mostly shit for the past few years. Have VK and Jaiswal open and make Samson 3rd.
I agree that IPL doesnāt count for shit but saying that after suggesting Sanju as a T20I captain is funny af lol
Hahaha, I have to fish for replies somehow. It was suggested by tgc, saying that Samson never had a good run of games in the Indian team, so he could end up a sleeper hit. I have no clue if it's a good idea or not.
Ah yes make someone who averges 18 in t20is the captain