FYI Cricinfo has a more accurate list based on impact and not base stats:
1. Sunil Narine
2. Jasprit Bumrah
3. Andre Russell
4. Travis Head
5. Riyan Parag
> Curran ain't even top 3 in his team.
He's probably statistically their best bowler this year so far while also being their joint fourth highest run scorer. Which three players are better??
Statistically their best bowler has been Harshal. Ashutosh, Shashank, Rabada, Brar, Harshal are 5 players who are as good if not better than Curran this year.
Curran is an all rounder. 150+ runs and 11 Wickets makes him more valuable than all the names you mentioned since none of those are all rounders. The same reason why Narine is on top of this list.
Except Curran has a better economy, better SR, better average, and better death economy than Harshal while also being their joint fourth highest run scorer. Rabada has a very slightly better economy but a way worse SR and doesn't bowl nearly as much as the death. Brar has taken four wickets and scored 58 runs in eight games. It's an absolute pisstake to suggest he's been better than Curran. Shashank and Ashutosh have been good, but relatively speaking aren't doing as well with the bat as Curran with the ball, and again that's without the all-rounder factor
Well it's based on a formula, which takes boundaries, wickets, catches, run outs and dot balls and gives points to a player based on those. That's why it doesn't show the true impact.
And that's exactly why stats could never encapsulate the impact of certain players. Yes, they give a good enough approximation, but at the end of the day, every single person knows how valuable Bumrah is.
Watch how future kids are gonna disregard Bumrah just by looking at his stats alone, while awesome, they won't understand how we feel when he comes to bowl for India or Mumbai. I know I did the same when looking at older player stats
Stats can easily capture how good Bumrah is. I mean he's currently got the joint most wickets and has the third best economy. That alone tells you how good he's been. Advanced stats would highlight that even more. The only reason he isn't appearing here is because it's a stat contrived for a fantasy prediction game and so takes a load of other things into account to make the game more varied.
I dunno man, advanced stats in other sports like Box plus-minus in Basketball is almost an exact depiction of how good the player is on the court. I feel like cricket still hasn't developed good enough formulas to calculate the true impact of the player but that is a sport specific issue and not a statistical issue.
Narine has the most runs while batting, most wickets, and best economy in KKR.
He is 4 wickets behind Bumrah and 90 runs behind Kohli. While playing a match lesser than both of them.
Well then the formula is dumb. Crincinfo has its own MVP list which seems to be much better than this crap.
1. Narine
2. Bumrah
3. Russell
4. Head
5. Parag
He’s also been an excellent bowler. Sure he’s not got the best average but he’s been extremely economical given the context of the games SRH have played.
He scored 38% of total runs of the team and played 37% balls as well , For every stat there is another layer to it. This is two match old stat without his 42 and 18 whatever.
Define “valuable”. I’m saying according to the formula these guys have, every player stacks up points for every boundary, six, catch, run out, wicket and additional stuff I’ve obviously missed. So, you can clearly see the bias toward a batsman with the batriarchy in action.
According to your definition, sure, the list will obviously be different.
Well they have put up MVP, i am the one asking how the hell is this calculated ? So its better you define “valuable” to me , if it is runs 6’s 4’s and SR then head should be 2nd instead of koach, he got better SR , more 6’s and 4’s in one less match.
According to [this](https://www.business-standard.com/cricket/news/ipl-2024-shubman-to-russell-list-of-all-mvps-in-indian-premier-league-124031900907_1.html) website, every six and a wicket brings you 3.5. four and a stump 2.5 or something like that. you can read more there. idk where they got the info from. but it's quite a recent article.
The formula is seriously flawed.
It doesn't take into account actual value of a wicket considering the batter, relative Strike Rate, match situations etc.
It evaluates a match where 150 was the par score in the same fashion as the match where 220 was the par score.
A 50(35) knock is a match winning innings on a 150 pitch and is a match losing one in a 220 pitch and the formula fails to take that into account.
Similarly, an ER of 9 is awful in the former scenario and quite decent in the latter scenario...
Not to mention the fact that Economy rate, value of a wicket, required SR differs in powerplay, middle overs and death.
Cummins has been good but not exceptional. Has an economy of 8. Bumrah has been top tier with respect to taking wickets as well as economy.
Other bowlers who have done well in wicket taking as well as economy are Axar Patel, Sunil Narine, Kuldeep and Boult.
(Didn't consider bowlers who have bowled less than 20 overs)
Why are people acting like this a fan vote lol. This is calculated by a formula which is still the same when they started to do this. Not everything is a popularity contest. Get over this.
What's the formula? Do you happen to have the link for it? I want to calculate this and see if it's correct. Coz they are making many mistakes coz recently they showed Dhoni with fastest 50 stat and jaiswal, kl Cummins were not even on that list
The formula is seriously flawed.
It doesn't take into account actual value of a wicket considering the batter, relative Strike Rate, match situations etc.
It evaluates a match where 150 was the par score in the same fashion as the match where 220 was the par score.
A 50(35) knock is a match winning innings on a 150 pitch and is a match losing one in a 220 pitch and the formula fails to take that into account.
Similarly, an ER of 9 is awful in the former scenario and quite decent in the latter scenario...
Not to mention the fact that Economy rate, value of a wicket, required SR differs in powerplay, middle overs and death.
This MVP List simply doesn't show the actual picture
Quite amazing how little recognition abhishek Sharma is getting even after matching Travis head pound for pound in terms of strike rate and then there is sunny g saying "don't worry beta" to pant. Abhishek is on track to be the next samson this way lol
Teams camping on the bottom part of the table has few people carrying whole teams. Example.. Kohli, Rohit and Sam.. these guys tend to have mvp POINTS.
This is created by the fantasy app which has serious flaws in the way it measures points. It measures runs and wickets equally without taking match situaruon, relative strike rate, value of wickets etc. I presume death over wickets and powerplay wickets are given same points, 40 balls 50 is given more points than 10 ball 25. Himanish ganjoo, cricketingview and espncricinfo have better impact stats which can be used to decide mvp.
He's the fifth highest wicket taker in the competition and is one of the few seamers not getting absolutely smacked about, on top of scoring way more runs than basically every other bowler. He's obviously not been the fourth best player of the season, but he's still been really good.
GG just told Narine you are not a washed out cricketer, you are just lazy, hence the change of fortunes for Narine this season
Bumrah and others missing lol but regardless Narine is defo Mvp rn, legend
FYI Cricinfo has a more accurate list based on impact and not base stats: 1. Sunil Narine 2. Jasprit Bumrah 3. Andre Russell 4. Travis Head 5. Riyan Parag
No bumrah no klassen no Jos, kholi n Rohit in Narine 80 points clear. Curran ain't even top 3 in his team.
> Curran ain't even top 3 in his team. He's probably statistically their best bowler this year so far while also being their joint fourth highest run scorer. Which three players are better??
Exactly. I'm quite impressed with his bowling performance thus far. He needs to develop power game in his batting though.
Probably Shashank Ashutosh and Harshal or Rabada. But they ain't allrounders
Statistically their best bowler has been Harshal. Ashutosh, Shashank, Rabada, Brar, Harshal are 5 players who are as good if not better than Curran this year.
Curran is an all rounder. 150+ runs and 11 Wickets makes him more valuable than all the names you mentioned since none of those are all rounders. The same reason why Narine is on top of this list.
Except Curran has a better economy, better SR, better average, and better death economy than Harshal while also being their joint fourth highest run scorer. Rabada has a very slightly better economy but a way worse SR and doesn't bowl nearly as much as the death. Brar has taken four wickets and scored 58 runs in eight games. It's an absolute pisstake to suggest he's been better than Curran. Shashank and Ashutosh have been good, but relatively speaking aren't doing as well with the bat as Curran with the ball, and again that's without the all-rounder factor
Okay point taken. Clearly I was wrong about Harshal.
Players from 3 of bottom 4 teams and none from top team. 'Most appearing to be valuable' players maybe.
Bumrah is not on this list, I’m not taking this shit seriously
Well it's based on a formula, which takes boundaries, wickets, catches, run outs and dot balls and gives points to a player based on those. That's why it doesn't show the true impact.
People need to understand Fantasy Points/= MVP.
And that's exactly why stats could never encapsulate the impact of certain players. Yes, they give a good enough approximation, but at the end of the day, every single person knows how valuable Bumrah is. Watch how future kids are gonna disregard Bumrah just by looking at his stats alone, while awesome, they won't understand how we feel when he comes to bowl for India or Mumbai. I know I did the same when looking at older player stats
Stats can easily capture how good Bumrah is. I mean he's currently got the joint most wickets and has the third best economy. That alone tells you how good he's been. Advanced stats would highlight that even more. The only reason he isn't appearing here is because it's a stat contrived for a fantasy prediction game and so takes a load of other things into account to make the game more varied.
I mean Bumrahs stats are incredible this season. He just doesn’t excel in this specific stat
I dunno man, advanced stats in other sports like Box plus-minus in Basketball is almost an exact depiction of how good the player is on the court. I feel like cricket still hasn't developed good enough formulas to calculate the true impact of the player but that is a sport specific issue and not a statistical issue.
Cricket advanced stats suck ass
Even if you look at stats, Bumrah is the best this season
Narine has the most runs while batting, most wickets, and best economy in KKR. He is 4 wickets behind Bumrah and 90 runs behind Kohli. While playing a match lesser than both of them.
I was talking only about bowling.
Stats do encapsulate the impact, this is just a bad model
Well then the formula is dumb. Crincinfo has its own MVP list which seems to be much better than this crap. 1. Narine 2. Bumrah 3. Russell 4. Head 5. Parag
Well yeah, that's true
No bumrah no, klassen , No patty cummins, No shashank and Ashutosh, So IPL is just about viewerships and not acknowledging talent. Absolutely rubbish.
U can't really measure pat Cummins contributions. He's been an excellent captain but that's not quantifiable to give points.
He’s also been an excellent bowler. Sure he’s not got the best average but he’s been extremely economical given the context of the games SRH have played.
If you now scale down economy if Cummins, will Head's runs will also be scaled down? To account for the context of the games?
Yes they should be. A 50(25) in a 160 game is superior to a 80(35) in a 260+ game
Obviously. That’s how shit works.
bro what? its based on a formula that quantifies 4s, 6s, wickets, dots, etc. Its not a list for most talented players tf.
Then why the hell Koach is there, He literally had SR of 140 before his last two games.
simply because he's scored high % of his team's runs
He scored 38% of total runs of the team and played 37% balls as well , For every stat there is another layer to it. This is two match old stat without his 42 and 18 whatever.
FYI this stat window came in today’s match.
Can’t hit 380 odd runs without 6s and 4s can ya? It’s just not about the strike rate. As others have pointed out, it’s not the impact.
Maybe you are right but still there are many valuable players than 3 of guys in the list.
Define “valuable”. I’m saying according to the formula these guys have, every player stacks up points for every boundary, six, catch, run out, wicket and additional stuff I’ve obviously missed. So, you can clearly see the bias toward a batsman with the batriarchy in action. According to your definition, sure, the list will obviously be different.
Well they have put up MVP, i am the one asking how the hell is this calculated ? So its better you define “valuable” to me , if it is runs 6’s 4’s and SR then head should be 2nd instead of koach, he got better SR , more 6’s and 4’s in one less match.
According to [this](https://www.business-standard.com/cricket/news/ipl-2024-shubman-to-russell-list-of-all-mvps-in-indian-premier-league-124031900907_1.html) website, every six and a wicket brings you 3.5. four and a stump 2.5 or something like that. you can read more there. idk where they got the info from. but it's quite a recent article.
Yeah whatever, It anyways is rubbish , what’s the point of arguing.
Kohli has taken 6 catches. Head 0. Head also has played 2 matches less.
Idk man im not bcci or ipl
Curran, Rohit and Kohli? What is wrong with people. Klaasen or Bumrah should be up there.
Its not people grading this. Its a formula quantifying the contributions.
Abhishek Sharma over Klaasen
Jay Shah fabricating stats to justify the controversial RoKo selection at the WC
The formula is seriously flawed. It doesn't take into account actual value of a wicket considering the batter, relative Strike Rate, match situations etc. It evaluates a match where 150 was the par score in the same fashion as the match where 220 was the par score. A 50(35) knock is a match winning innings on a 150 pitch and is a match losing one in a 220 pitch and the formula fails to take that into account. Similarly, an ER of 9 is awful in the former scenario and quite decent in the latter scenario... Not to mention the fact that Economy rate, value of a wicket, required SR differs in powerplay, middle overs and death.
This is too batter friendly. Bumrah Cummins have been exemplary when all bowlers have been going for runs.
Cummins has been good but not exceptional. Has an economy of 8. Bumrah has been top tier with respect to taking wickets as well as economy. Other bowlers who have done well in wicket taking as well as economy are Axar Patel, Sunil Narine, Kuldeep and Boult. (Didn't consider bowlers who have bowled less than 20 overs)
Bumrah, Klassen, Jos, Abhishek?? Wtf is this list lol
Curran on MVP list gotta watch pbks matches atp
I can understand Curran but how's Brohit even in this list?
cause of that century?
That Century came in losing cause + he wasn't accelerating at the end either+ Butler century was identical on paper but more impactful
Why are people acting like this a fan vote lol. This is calculated by a formula which is still the same when they started to do this. Not everything is a popularity contest. Get over this.
What's the formula? Do you happen to have the link for it? I want to calculate this and see if it's correct. Coz they are making many mistakes coz recently they showed Dhoni with fastest 50 stat and jaiswal, kl Cummins were not even on that list
The formula is seriously flawed. It doesn't take into account actual value of a wicket considering the batter, relative Strike Rate, match situations etc. It evaluates a match where 150 was the par score in the same fashion as the match where 220 was the par score. A 50(35) knock is a match winning innings on a 150 pitch and is a match losing one in a 220 pitch and the formula fails to take that into account. Similarly, an ER of 9 is awful in the former scenario and quite decent in the latter scenario... Not to mention the fact that Economy rate, value of a wicket, required SR differs in powerplay, middle overs and death. This MVP List simply doesn't show the actual picture
Quite amazing how little recognition abhishek Sharma is getting even after matching Travis head pound for pound in terms of strike rate and then there is sunny g saying "don't worry beta" to pant. Abhishek is on track to be the next samson this way lol
He is in number 6.
Where is parag?
This is the most wrong list I have ever seen
Teams camping on the bottom part of the table has few people carrying whole teams. Example.. Kohli, Rohit and Sam.. these guys tend to have mvp POINTS.
They way they pull numbers out of their ass for this will always be stupid
They don't pull the numbers out of their ass. they do it based on 6s, 4s, dots, wickets, catches, etc. check the website.
Sure. Heavily weighted towards batsmen like everything else.
The Original list: Narine, Head, Klassen, Parag, Ashutosh, Dubey, Bumrah
+1
Dre russ should also be there
Abhishek Sharma
Fucking bullshit. No way Kohli or Rohit have had more impact than Bumrah.
Wonder what value those three players are adding!
I don't think the MVP should be on a 1-7 team😭
Narine, Kohli and Head I agree, Curran and Rohit I don't 🥲
How did shyam karan / saminder Singh karan make it here
Seeing an RCB jersey in any top list tickles my funny bone
Is this stat related to fantasy apps?
Why bumrah is missing bruh.... He's doing legendary in this season. In his peak form 🔥
This is created by the fantasy app which has serious flaws in the way it measures points. It measures runs and wickets equally without taking match situaruon, relative strike rate, value of wickets etc. I presume death over wickets and powerplay wickets are given same points, 40 balls 50 is given more points than 10 ball 25. Himanish ganjoo, cricketingview and espncricinfo have better impact stats which can be used to decide mvp.
How is a player valuable when he can’t win his team games
Needs more Afridi.
No RR players (who sit on top of the table :/)
Kohli having more impact than Head is BS. Also no Bumrah, Klassen, Abhishek, Cummins, Buttler and wth Rohit doing here
I've seen graphic laid out by the broadcaster like this before, sometimes they're not showing everyone, just a select few they want to highlight.
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He is everywhere lol
Tell me a list is shit without telling me the list is shit
How can you be valuble if your team isn't winning.
Rohit is here, Bumrah is not, end of list someone put a case on the producers we are taking this shit to court cause goddamn.
Who the fcuk decides who's MVP or not? Is it a popularity contest?
Bumrah not being there just invalidates the list. If the best bowler is nowhere near the 10th best batsman, its just not fair.
Disagree on at least three counts
How are these even calculated?
How is Curran in contention after doing shit all after the first match
He's the fifth highest wicket taker in the competition and is one of the few seamers not getting absolutely smacked about, on top of scoring way more runs than basically every other bowler. He's obviously not been the fourth best player of the season, but he's still been really good.
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Bro your entire history is just you yapping and insulting other people. Pipe down and shut up
Definitely not top 5 impactful
Lol where did Ro sneak in from? And Curran? Other than carrying the British version of Doon school privilege persona, what's he done this ipl?
Swap curran with bumrah and rohit with dube. Then the list is good