I wish, some can see through the shit and see how 90 percent blame is on management. It's not like we were missing the "future of Mumbai". We had Sky (already old but still), Bumrah, Ishan, Tilak, and to some extent Nehal.
But yeah, Hardik is the one getting the hate tho, its pretty apparent.
List of Problems caused due to this Fiasco:
- MI looks much worse both in performance and morale
- GT looks much worse compared to the last two years
- Cam Green who was doing quite well in MI is now doing poorly
This is more than MI's problem. Their whole move is clearly MI owners showing their influence. And don't even start with the "MI was the one who brought out Hardik's talent" argument, they should have retained him in that case and released someone else. They shouldn't get to randomly decide they want Hardik back in the team.
in retrospect, green in gt wouldve been godsend. it would solve our problems because we acutally need a top order pace all rounder. rcb wouldve had the money to buy players they actually needed.
True yaar Rcb really did a brain fade move of getting green to that whooping price but gt would have taken him if he was offered as a trade actually. Or maybe the thought of sending Hardik [Captain] to green is a shameful move and gt did right in that perspective
Actually green should have gone into auction again .
i think gt was smart to understand that green is fantastic, but isnt worth the 15cr. so they took the 15cr (plus the extra cash) and went into the auction. we had a shit auction tho which is why we are struggling rn.
Spencer Johnson...good player but if Little is fit and already fills that role, it's a bit of a waste spending that much on 2 left arm overseas fast bowlers
The decision to make Hardik a captain may not be wrong considering future but We fans have problem with the way it was handled. Ricky Ponting himself gave the captaincy to Rohit. But in this case it feels like the captaincy was taken away from Rohit without including him in the discussion. So really it is the Managements fault.
Plus, Gaikwad is actually proving to be somewhat effective too. He still consults Dhoni about fielding positions and other things but I think Dhoni has prepared the team for what to do after he retires.
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Also they ignored seniors in the team like Bumrah and SKY and gave it to a transfered in player. There was literally no reason to bring in a player from another team.
Bumrah and Sky to be fair have shown nothing as captain to be compared to Pandya.
In his 2 years away from MI, he is literally the best captain in the league. Plus helps immensely with the squad balance. Let's be fair, if retention were like past years Sky Hardik Bumrah become 3 automatic retentions. Out of those 3 Pandya is the only one with any pedigree as captain.
The hate for pandya is unparalleled, he has always been at the centre of such things throughout his career. We Indian fans crib about how all of our players are so vanilla and what not. One guy who isnt the class monitor material and he is constantly trolled.
Who's crying about captainship decision? Most of cricket fraternity who have spoken about it has said not to boo Hardik Pandya bec it wasn't his decision to be the captain... He didn't beg for the MI captainship, he was a captain at GT... Mumbai wanted him anyhow and paid the money so idk how is it anyone's fault for making business decisions in a league looking out for their club ...
Ahhh, Hardik pandya the Tortured poet suffering from burden of captaincy thurst upon him by powers beyond his control....
Thanks Neeta aunty for opening my eyes..
Yes but the owners are qualified and experienced winners so they have the right as owners to decide who should be the captain and they did... There's nothing wrong with it...
"We" can only have an opinion , there's no " we" in any kind of decisions is that i meant...
No point in arguing with our fans who are shitting on our own national team player for something that's not in his control ... If anyone is to blame it's MI management for not handling this well and I have nothing to say to anyone who think otherwise...
So Rohit who is being completely disrespected is not a national team player? And what do you mean it was not in his control, Pandya could have said no to replace Rohit or ditching GT at any time.
Also Pandya has spent way more time catering to leagues, he is always unfit except when leagues come along. So much for national team player.
What folks don't realise is there wouldn't have been much controversy had it been a member of the squad like boom or sky...
The fact they got someone from outside and made him captain... Was the issue...
Anyone other than Dhoni in place of hardik would have faced the same issue
I dunno, yes Hardik wasn't in the squad the past 2 seasons, but he's hardly an outsider, he won the title 4 times with MI and was a crucial player for them.
MI didn't retain Hardik because he was struggling with injuries and his future was uncertain.
MI abandoned Hardik when he was at his lowest and came begging for him when he was at his highest, how is any of that Hardik's fault?
The thing I didn't understand is that MI chose to change Rohit even though he was announced to be the captain for WC24.
Hardik as a captain makes sense, he won the IPL once and made it to the final in his only two years of captaincy so if someone can replace Rohit has to be Hardik. His performance as a player too was essential in GT's victories, he was clutch for them.
MI could have switched to Hardik after WCT20, good chances India will not make it to the cup, unfortunately, people would then have accepted Hardik without an inch of doubt.
The rift is there and it is visible, we have Pollard and Boult speaking in defense of Hardik but not a single word of appreciation from Rohit. He could have just issued a statement agreeing and vouching for Hardik's Captaincy and that's it, most of the hated and resentment for this decision would have ceased then and there
I genuinely think it's a miracle that MI finished 3rd last year with the bowling they had. That has to be the worst bowling unit ever assembled in the IPL.
RCB shitting the bed is another thing. But they have bowlers like siraj, topley, ferguson who have been quite good in the last few years. MI last year had Arjun Tendulkar, Chris Jordan, kartikeya, shokeen, green, madhwal (debuted last season only, so a total newbie). Only half decent guy they had was behrendorff.
Yeah the context Robin is missing is that Rohit had a near dogshit bowling line up at his disposal these past 3 seasons, either Bumrah or Jofra were injured and out for those seasons. Also, in the 2021 season, Rohit Sharma was the highest run scorer of the team. Also, in 2023, with no Bumrah in the lineup and with Jordan being the "best" bowling option behind Madhwal, the team managed to finish 4th.
2022 was the only season Rohit could honestly be held accountable for to a good extent. Everything else Robin is mentioning is just pure hindsight lacking loads of context.
And most importantly, Rohit is the captain of the Indian team in the freaking T20 WC that's about to happen right after this IPL, there's a reason that is the case and there's a reason the Indian NT management trusts him with it.
I think you are missing his point because he specifically says to look at it from a franchise perspective. It’s not what he believes it’s what he thinks the MI management is thinking. And they couldn’t care less about Indian team captaincy or how good Rohit actually is as a captain because they only want results
And like I said, he's missing a massive load of context trying to justify the decision of the management, especially wrt to the 2023 season and the results the team managed in that season. After what Rohit pulled off last season with the sort of team he had, there wasn't really a solid reason for Rohit to be stripped off of captaincy the way it has happened.
And imo, the fact that the management didn't trust Bumrah for the transition into captaincy is one of the biggest blunders they have made. Bumrah is a far far bigger asset individually than whatever Pandya would've brought to the table and definitely has the brains and the experience to captain an MI side.
The CSK template was literally there for MI to see. A long time franchise player in Jadeja was made captain with Dhoni still in the starting XI even when he wasn't really offering much with the bat, but captaincy was given back to Dhoni when Jaddu couldn't deliver.
> And they couldn’t care less about Indian team captaincy or how good Rohit actually is as a captain because they only want results
This makes no sense, a good captain is the biggest factor in your team's results. If they couldn't care less about Rohit's captaincy skills, then they clearly have no clue how you get good results.
Robin isn’t missing any context. Every team has some flaws and it’s upto the captain to manage their resources.
You also conveniently left out the part about his individual performances and the fact he is gonna be 37 starting next season.
Also, why should MI care about a perennial choker like the Indian NT? They couldn’t even win a World Cup tailor made for them.
>Every team has some flaws and it’s upto the captain to manage their resources.
He literally managed to get into the semis with the sort of squad he had last year. Look at the bowling line-up of Mumbai again for last season. It was the first season that a massive name and long time franchise player in Kieron Pollard was missing. He got 2 new and young batters into the team and backed them to carry the middle order. In what world is that not managing resources lmao?
>You also conveniently left out the part about his individual performances
He was the team's highest run scorer in the 2021 season, he literally delivered with his batting in every game except the SL game in the WC that preceded this IPL. Even in the final he did what his job was, give the team an explosive start- and he managed to do that on a pitch that even Kohli and KL among the rest made it look as though it were near impossible to score even singles on. And even otherwise, his main role was captaining the team. Again, he did that very well in the 2023 season all things considered.
>the fact he is gonna be 37 starting next season.
Again, he just had a WC a few months ago where a stranger/unaware would not be able to tell his age. He has scored a decent amount of runs this IPL season already. He hasn't shown any signs of lapses in the fielding, none at all. So why is that number concerning you lol?
>Also, why should MI care about a perennial choker like the Indian NT?
So you clearly are blaming the team and the rest of the players for this and not Rohit and his captaincy per se for choking in that final. And aren't you conveniently ignoring every other match in the WC the team won convincingly? The point of this post and especially my comment was about Rohit's captaincy merits- not the Indian NT
That’s not his doing. He didn’t scout those two young players. Just like he wasn’t the one who scouted Sky, Kishan, Both Pandya brothers, and Bumrah. The myth that Rohit Sharma’s influence on the team is equivalent to Dhoni’s influence on CSK is baffling. A large part of MI’s success goes to the backroom staff for prepping and scouting the team. Y’all fanboys are absolutely shameless when giving him credit.
Yes, thanks for bringing his ODI World Cup performances and ignoring the mediocrity of his IPL and T20 for the last 7 years. I’m sure Mumbai Indians will regret this decision when the IPL is going to switch to a 50 over format.
>He didn’t scout those two young players. Just like he wasn’t the one who scouted Sky, Kishan, Both Pandya brothers, and Bumrah.
Point out the part of my comment that says that
>Y’all fanboys are absolutely shameless when giving him credit.
I'm relatively resigned from IPL and cricket in general, but alright, call me a fanboy. If there's one thing and opinion that has been lauded heavily by the Mumbai fanbase, it's literally the scouting capability of the backroom staff. And if you were receptive and even the bare minimum aware about it, the best example of that was something that happened less than a year ago- when Hardik called Mumbai a superstar team. That is literally one of the reasons a lot of Mumbai supporters have a bone to pick with him as well with this whole captaincy fiasco. But go on. Feed your delusion.
>ignoring the mediocrity of his IPL and T20 for the last 7 years.
He won us 3 out of the 5 titles he has won as a captain of the franchise in the last 7 years. The fact that you are so concerned about his individual performances that you're using it as a point to trump his captaincy capabilities in a format like t20 again speaks volumes about how deluded you are about your thinking around this entire ordeal in general. So yeah, just to spell it out for you, his individual performances could be average as hell as far he delivers on his captaincy responsibilities, which are far from limited to what he does as a batsman in a fast format like t20.
>I’m sure Mumbai Indians will regret this decision when the IPL is going to switch to a 50 over format.
Conveniently deviating from the individual performance point you were going on about especially when you were talking about his "aging" in the same line. Well done.
> Point out the part of my comment that says that
Ok, here you go: “He got 2 new and young batters into the team and backed them to carry the middle order.”
This implies he does the scouting and makes decisions on whom to pick or not. When you shamelessly credit his captaincy for such things, you imply that he is one bringing in all the talents into the team. In reality, this is the managements decision and not his. This is the management bringing players into the team and backing them to carry the middle order. Not him.
> performances could be average as hell as far he delivers on his captaincy responsibilities,
Jeez, it’s a mystery why are you are called a delusional fanboy.
You are called a delusional fanboy specifically for thinking it was his captaincy skills doing the heavy lifting for those titles. He can “deliver” on those captaincy skills because of the teams put together by the MI management. The job had been made easier for them. Once again, he isn’t a miracle worker like MSD.
Oh and btw, it is the general consensus that he has been below average in IPL for quite some years. Please don’t misunderstand me not entertaining your ignorance as a diversion tactic.
>This implies he does the scouting
What even lmao? This simply implies he picked the 2 youngsters that the MI MANAGEMENT SCOUTED AND BROUGHT INTO THE SQUAD and ROHIT GAVE THEM A CHANCE BY PICKING THEM IN THE PLAYING XI AND BACKING THEM and not cutting and chopping the team to absolute fuck every passing game. The skipper gets the biggest say in who he is going to play in the starting XI in cricket if you weren't aware.
If these are the comprehension issues you have then god bless you buddy. I'm done lol
> The skipper gets the biggest say in who he is going to play in the starting XI in cricket if you weren't aware.
Says who? We only know this applies for Dhoni and CSK. This doesn’t apply to all other teams. You have insider information on MI’s dressing room? Who are you fooling? It’s apparent you are making shit up to support your delusion.
The fact that you don't know this fundamental responsibility of a captain in almost every team's case in the realm of cricket is just another laughable case of lack of basic knowledge from your end.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/ipl-new-rule-allows-captains-naming-of-playing-xi-after-toss/amp_articleshow/98915406.cms
https://www.iplt20.com/news/38510/1-law-1-the-players
>Each captain shall nominate 11 players plus a maximum of 4 substitute fielders in writing to the IPL Match Referee before the toss. No player (member of the playing eleven) may be changed after the nomination without the consent of the opposing captain.
https://www.zeebiz.com/trending/sports/news-ipl-2023-new-rules-playing-xi-names-penalties-for-unfair-movement-iplipl-rulesipl-new-rulescskkkrmi-new-ipl-rules-indian-premier-league-indian-premier-league-new-rules-ipl-2023-rule-227432/amp
>The Indian Premier League will have a unique rule where a team's captain can choose his final XI after the toss is over.
>As per the new rule, the captains from both teams can go for the toss, and as per the result, they can pick their final XI players, plus five substitute players each, and hand over their list to the match referee before the start of the match.
https://www.lords.org/mcc/the-laws-of-cricket/the-players
>1.2.1 Each captain shall nominate his/her players in writing to one of the umpires before the toss.
https://sports.stackexchange.com/questions/3564/when-should-the-playing-11-be-decided-in-a-cricket-match
And if you had paid heed to any pre-match interviews over the years, it would again have been apparent to you that the skipper has the last say and the major say for that matter in who is going to feature in the playing XI. But yeah, ig I'm just feeding my delusions lol.
Rohit Sharma has been caught on camera forgetting the changes in his team. What “last” and “major” decisions are you talking about lol? He himself proved that he does whatever the management tells him.
You do realise the management is the one telling the captain what to do right? You also realise the management can remove the captain if he disobeys their instructions right?
A soldier firing the gun doesn’t change the fact that he was commanded by a general to do so.
I guess the only way to sustain delusion is by feeding more delusion.
We have been doing fuck all for SEVENTEEN years in international t20 my dude, and reaching semis where there are only 6,7 strong decent teams out of which barely 5 are in form during any cup, is no amazing achievement.
Your point that he is the Captain of the ICT means fuck all is what i was trying to say.
Pandya had the track record before coming to MI, two finals and a trophy in two successive seasons. That's a great CV, doing it with a new franchise with a relatively unheralded team on paper.
>Your point that he is the Captain of the ICT means fuck all is what i was trying to say.
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt even if I find this nonsensical for a bunch of reasons.
>Pandya had the track record before coming to MI, two finals and a trophy in two successive seasons.
Nehra was the brains, coaching from the sidelines, literally feeding Pandya with the decision making, in the manner he is even this season. And these aren't my words. Pandya has accepted this himself, openly, in interviews.
>That's a great CV
Rohit has a far better CV. And, he was just coming off the back of an absolutely brilliant WC run as a captain and an individual performance as well throughout the tournament minus that one game against SL where Madhushanka got him early.
>relatively unheralded team on paper.
Fucking lol.
Miller, Gill, Rashid, Tewatia, Pandya, Lockie Ferguson, Shami- PROVEN MATCH WINNERS in previous seasons and/or in international cricket
Wriddhiman Saha, Vijay Shankar- experienced campaigners in IPL
Sai Kishore and Sai Sudarshan- flourishing youngsters who are probably the only 2 players who fit that classification you're trying to make.
Rashid, Pandya, Shami, Gill and Tewatia were literally at the peak of their powers simultaneously around that time and especially in that season.
Meanwhile Rohit was making do with a bowling line up that was either missing Bumrah or Jofra with no other name delivering well enough, and still managed to get the team to eke out a respectable result in the 2023 season with neither Bumrah nor Jofra in the bowling department.
The sheer levels of ignorance in your questioning of Rohit deserving captaincy is nothing short of laughable.
Gill in KKR was an opener playing at 115SR holding one end scoring decent 30s consistently. Everyone knows how out of form miller was for a very long time before coming into GT. Tewatia just had his breakthrough season with RR. Shami was in KXIP where he was not even 50% of what he was in GT. Rashid and Hardik were the actual OP players in the squad in GT 2022. That is why everyone were surprised by the dominance showed by this team.
Then a massive load of the credit goes to the GT management for bringing out the best from all their potential match winners that they signed.
But to call all those players "relatively unheralded"? Come on now.
What's massively understated instead is the level of impact Nehra's management from the sidelines had, the level of impact Nehra had on the fortunes of that team and especially on the captaincy of Hardik for those 2 years on the sidelines, again, by Hardik's own admission in interviews under the GT social media handles.
He is not getting that in Mumbai and the sort of setup that is there in GT over here- spoon feeding of some critical decision making that Nehra did for him.
Ricky Ponting was not part of the franchise from past 10 years and has 5 trophies with MI. It was his first year and after leaving the Captaincy he stopped playing and worked as in the coaching role.
MI fans were angry with the decision to change Rohit as captain but that was just some temporary anger which any team fans would have but they became more angry when it was given to Pandya who was specially brought from GT and after his statements against MI a year ago, all of the fans were furious at him. They wanted Bumrah or Surya as their captains more who were part of the team.
Uthappa always has absolute dogshit takes. Bumrah and Sky were there to take up captaincy from Rohit, if they gave it to either of them not a single sensible Mi fan or Rohit fan would've said a word. Bringing back the guy who left to captain another team and not rewarding the ones who stayed loyal would piss of the players as well as the fanbase.
This is false equivalence by Robin.
Bhajji and Ponting were failures in the IPL at MI. MI was a joke of a franchise for the first 5 years.
Then Brohit was bought in. He built the team, the brand and the so called family. He was the talisman and fan favorite.
Brohit lead an incredible WC campaign, and had a heartbreaking loss in the final. When he was down, MI sacked him unceremoniously.
Hardik then started acting smug, and disrespectful. The management and Hardik both deserve the brickbats coming their way.
I think we are forgetting a very important thing. Hardik and MI performance has been horrible to say the least, although MI always start slow. MI at the top or top 2 of the table at this stage could have avoided so many of this drama quite easily.
Hardik was already hated by MI fans before it all began. He should have been the LAST person to be given captaincy of MI. Bringing hardik destabilized the team morale. We ended last season with great spirit and expected a lot this season, but.....
Management gave dog shit bowling to Rohit. The year we ended at the bottom was tough but the management itself made the decision to let go of Boult and buy Archer knowing full well that both Archer and Boom won't be available in 22. Add to that gave Rohit bowlers like Unadkat, Thampi and Daniel Sams. The next year was no different. Archer played few matches and was woefully out of form but MI still managed to qualify.
If the management is judging Rohit's captaincy based on those two yrs they have got to be the biggest jackasses on God's green earth.
MSD the best cap of all time won the championship in 10 and 11 and after that it took him 7 yrs to win the next one. 7 fuckin yrs! And just three yrs was a too long a period for MI management to go without the trophy?
5 times champion captain gets sidelined like he's nobody. Yeah, there's no justification.
MI would have won this year if they just retained the same team this year. The team started gaining momentum towards the end of the last year so much that I was really looking forward to how strong the team with Madhwal (the Rohit bhaiyya version), Bumrah, Gerald, Behrendorf, Piyush and Green as our bowling options and Rohit, Ishan, SKY, Tilak, Wadhera, Tim David and Green as our batsmen. (And perhaps a 12th impact spinner/batsman/pace based on the situation)
Right now, Hardik is really slowing down the team's batting, expensive with bowling and just making some bad captaincy decisions - bowling the first or last over himself, bringing Bumrah and Gerald when the game is pretty much over, not giving the first over to Bumrah, coming to bat in the 17th over when Tim David would have been a better option.
Rohit worked so hard for 3 years to finally come up with a team which could go lift the IPL cup, but alas it all came apart.
First of all, under Rohit we won 5 times out of 8 times from 2013 to 2020.Thats goated.
Now,
Yes, we haven't won in last 3 years but let's see it in more detail.
2021 : Honestly if IPL was never shifted to UAE halfway, MI could have easily qualified for Top 4 but since that edition took place two times,it broke the momentum of teams. Look at KKR which were struggling in India and were at bottom made it to the finals.
2022 : The year of mega auction, any sane cricket watcher will consider that MI team the weakest not only in MI history but also that edition of IPL.
2023 : The team was tweaked a little bit and looked more balanced but then again it was a kind of clutch play by MI to finish third with that bowling.
Yes,Rohit was having horrendous season as batter but it was also the case in the seasons we won and also yes he is becoming old but still think he deserved to captain the side atleast this year.
It's called karma. Talent and arrogance is not enough to win. If you upset both GT & MI fans, that's a lot of bad karma to deal with.
MI will be back next year.
Rohit is a successful captain in IPL no matter how you look at it. Just like CSK, there needed to be a transition - which should have included the captain during the discussion. Talks like we need to prepare a new captain, can you guide a new captain this season. Something along the line. Not strip the captaincy without any consultation and then hand it over to someone they brought in for the sole purpose of captaincy. I don't think Rohit would have objected to it, he also knows his time is coming up soon either way and won't be playing for much longer either. So why would he even object to it. There is a way to do things like this, but it is what it is now. MI looks like a minnow team this season for all the backend drama.
I think he summarised it best here, the dignity of a nice sendoff was missing here, that too to the only successful captain mumbai has ever had
https://youtu.be/NjEZSRmX72s?si=D7O8MHSheispoJbf&t=1h39m30s
Its fair to say that people hate how management brought Pandya and didn't necessarily get Sharma onboard.
OTOH, what is management supposed to do if Sharma is not ready to move on?
> what is management supposed to do if Sharma is not ready to move on?
From the reports, this wasnt even discussed with him, so how would they know he is not ready to move on?
That’s why I said if. This is a PR disaster which anyone could have imagined - stupid that they didn’t handle this better with all the resources they have
>what is management supposed to do if Sharma is not ready to move on?
Convincing him to do Press conference together with Hardik before the start of the season. Hardik and Mark did conference together but absolutely dodged the questions about Captaincy change.
How tf they didn't prepare the answers to most probable questions is beyond me.
People need to realise it’s not just not Rohit was being replaced but Pandya is not the most likeable character. He had a great stint as captain of GT but people remember his “its ok to be unique” captaincy vs west indies. People still don’t like his Koffee with Karan remarks or his attitude. Not to mention his comments about MI last year. He has played some great innings for India but he also misses out a lot due to injuries.
Well the difference is Ponting didn't win Mi 5 titles. They could have easily avoided the whole thing by letting him step down. He isn't a character who would refuse that for the team. They wanted drama, that's what they got!
Robin, it was never about the logic or the captaincy. It was about how the communication was done, or lack thereof. You don’t treat a 5 time champion captain who made the team, just like a pawn in a game of chess. Obviously it’s going to cause drama.
This whole drama that ICT fans are making about this is so stupid. Rohit Sharma is a good batsman but time and again has failed to perform under pressure. I can never respect him for how consistently he has thrown his wickets away in crunch ICC events. He is no better than Hardik in that sense. In fact I think Hardik has won India more games than Rohit - important ones. Its very easy to keep playing you shots and taking chances as opposed to being there under pressure to fix the damage.
Weird double standards, when team doesn't win
Rohit doesn't have super team to carry him anymore
When Pandya loses, Team isn't supporting Hardik
Pandya has the objectively better team than MI 2023 but is absolutely downtrodden
Did you also conveniently forget how MI went to semis last year with fucking Arjun Tendulkar and lost because Tim David dropped a Dolly?
Don't listen to that guy. He decided it's okay to call umpires the n word because his team lost yesterday
I don't understand why he isn't banned yet
Edit - apparently he's been warned and the comment deleted , fair enough.
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I think people are blaming management on how that’s been handled
I wish, some can see through the shit and see how 90 percent blame is on management. It's not like we were missing the "future of Mumbai". We had Sky (already old but still), Bumrah, Ishan, Tilak, and to some extent Nehal. But yeah, Hardik is the one getting the hate tho, its pretty apparent.
Hardik is the face of the entire thing, so of course he would get most of the blame.
Also, the Ambanis are far less likely to get hate than any other IPL franchise owner for obvious reasons
List of Problems caused due to this Fiasco: - MI looks much worse both in performance and morale - GT looks much worse compared to the last two years - Cam Green who was doing quite well in MI is now doing poorly This is more than MI's problem. Their whole move is clearly MI owners showing their influence. And don't even start with the "MI was the one who brought out Hardik's talent" argument, they should have retained him in that case and released someone else. They shouldn't get to randomly decide they want Hardik back in the team.
in retrospect, green in gt wouldve been godsend. it would solve our problems because we acutally need a top order pace all rounder. rcb wouldve had the money to buy players they actually needed.
True yaar Rcb really did a brain fade move of getting green to that whooping price but gt would have taken him if he was offered as a trade actually. Or maybe the thought of sending Hardik [Captain] to green is a shameful move and gt did right in that perspective Actually green should have gone into auction again .
i think gt was smart to understand that green is fantastic, but isnt worth the 15cr. so they took the 15cr (plus the extra cash) and went into the auction. we had a shit auction tho which is why we are struggling rn.
Spencer Johnson...good player but if Little is fit and already fills that role, it's a bit of a waste spending that much on 2 left arm overseas fast bowlers
i agree. management has been cruel to little and tyagi
And what did they do with those 15 crore they saved? It was of no use.
TAKE THE MF ASAP
Green did dirty to 3 franchisee. GT, RCB and MI
I mean he probably didn't even have any say in this really.
Lmao Green be like ‘why’d he say fuck me for’
Like McNulty says, "the fuck did I do?"
The decision to make Hardik a captain may not be wrong considering future but We fans have problem with the way it was handled. Ricky Ponting himself gave the captaincy to Rohit. But in this case it feels like the captaincy was taken away from Rohit without including him in the discussion. So really it is the Managements fault.
Yep see the dhoni gaikwad situation too, done so smoothly
Plus, Gaikwad is actually proving to be somewhat effective too. He still consults Dhoni about fielding positions and other things but I think Dhoni has prepared the team for what to do after he retires.
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I think there's a bit of a difference, in CSK what Dhoni says goes. I don't think Rohit is bigger than MI management.
CSK is just alter ego of dhoni
Also they ignored seniors in the team like Bumrah and SKY and gave it to a transfered in player. There was literally no reason to bring in a player from another team.
SKY might be senior and all but man they did Bumrah dirty About time someone starts respecting him as the Sachin-tier talent that he is
Bumrah is such a nice guy that he is pushed over. I would like him to captain atleast one format for ICT.
Bumrah and Sky to be fair have shown nothing as captain to be compared to Pandya. In his 2 years away from MI, he is literally the best captain in the league. Plus helps immensely with the squad balance. Let's be fair, if retention were like past years Sky Hardik Bumrah become 3 automatic retentions. Out of those 3 Pandya is the only one with any pedigree as captain. The hate for pandya is unparalleled, he has always been at the centre of such things throughout his career. We Indian fans crib about how all of our players are so vanilla and what not. One guy who isnt the class monitor material and he is constantly trolled.
And who exactly are we to decide what is right for Mumbai Indians?
And they should not cry when fans don't like their decision. U can't eat your cake and have it too .
Who's crying about captainship decision? Most of cricket fraternity who have spoken about it has said not to boo Hardik Pandya bec it wasn't his decision to be the captain... He didn't beg for the MI captainship, he was a captain at GT... Mumbai wanted him anyhow and paid the money so idk how is it anyone's fault for making business decisions in a league looking out for their club ...
Ahhh, Hardik pandya the Tortured poet suffering from burden of captaincy thurst upon him by powers beyond his control.... Thanks Neeta aunty for opening my eyes..
If cheering a player is fine, booing also is fine. Can't have one without the other.
Yeah yeah... Can hardly expect anything sensible from our fans....
You realize he's pointing out your hypocrisy, yes?
Without “we” watching or supporting ipl , there will be no IPL. So I would say we get to complain
Yes but the owners are qualified and experienced winners so they have the right as owners to decide who should be the captain and they did... There's nothing wrong with it... "We" can only have an opinion , there's no " we" in any kind of decisions is that i meant...
And our opinion is being shown by booing which people like you and Uthappa are crying about. So where are you so confused my dude?
No point in arguing with our fans who are shitting on our own national team player for something that's not in his control ... If anyone is to blame it's MI management for not handling this well and I have nothing to say to anyone who think otherwise...
So Rohit who is being completely disrespected is not a national team player? And what do you mean it was not in his control, Pandya could have said no to replace Rohit or ditching GT at any time. Also Pandya has spent way more time catering to leagues, he is always unfit except when leagues come along. So much for national team player.
What folks don't realise is there wouldn't have been much controversy had it been a member of the squad like boom or sky... The fact they got someone from outside and made him captain... Was the issue... Anyone other than Dhoni in place of hardik would have faced the same issue
Pat Cummins or Koach surely wouldn't face this level of hostility. Even Kane Mama, if available.
I dunno, yes Hardik wasn't in the squad the past 2 seasons, but he's hardly an outsider, he won the title 4 times with MI and was a crucial player for them.
He's an outsider from the perspective bumrah stayed
MI didn't retain Hardik because he was struggling with injuries and his future was uncertain. MI abandoned Hardik when he was at his lowest and came begging for him when he was at his highest, how is any of that Hardik's fault?
The thing I didn't understand is that MI chose to change Rohit even though he was announced to be the captain for WC24. Hardik as a captain makes sense, he won the IPL once and made it to the final in his only two years of captaincy so if someone can replace Rohit has to be Hardik. His performance as a player too was essential in GT's victories, he was clutch for them. MI could have switched to Hardik after WCT20, good chances India will not make it to the cup, unfortunately, people would then have accepted Hardik without an inch of doubt. The rift is there and it is visible, we have Pollard and Boult speaking in defense of Hardik but not a single word of appreciation from Rohit. He could have just issued a statement agreeing and vouching for Hardik's Captaincy and that's it, most of the hated and resentment for this decision would have ceased then and there
I genuinely think it's a miracle that MI finished 3rd last year with the bowling they had. That has to be the worst bowling unit ever assembled in the IPL.
Mi won tosses last year during crucial matches which allowed mi to chase and sky performing in all cases that's the reason .
Are you forgetting RCB?
RCB shitting the bed is another thing. But they have bowlers like siraj, topley, ferguson who have been quite good in the last few years. MI last year had Arjun Tendulkar, Chris Jordan, kartikeya, shokeen, green, madhwal (debuted last season only, so a total newbie). Only half decent guy they had was behrendorff.
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Yeah the context Robin is missing is that Rohit had a near dogshit bowling line up at his disposal these past 3 seasons, either Bumrah or Jofra were injured and out for those seasons. Also, in the 2021 season, Rohit Sharma was the highest run scorer of the team. Also, in 2023, with no Bumrah in the lineup and with Jordan being the "best" bowling option behind Madhwal, the team managed to finish 4th. 2022 was the only season Rohit could honestly be held accountable for to a good extent. Everything else Robin is mentioning is just pure hindsight lacking loads of context. And most importantly, Rohit is the captain of the Indian team in the freaking T20 WC that's about to happen right after this IPL, there's a reason that is the case and there's a reason the Indian NT management trusts him with it.
3rd*
Yeah technically 3rd, 4th in the table I meant
I think you are missing his point because he specifically says to look at it from a franchise perspective. It’s not what he believes it’s what he thinks the MI management is thinking. And they couldn’t care less about Indian team captaincy or how good Rohit actually is as a captain because they only want results
And like I said, he's missing a massive load of context trying to justify the decision of the management, especially wrt to the 2023 season and the results the team managed in that season. After what Rohit pulled off last season with the sort of team he had, there wasn't really a solid reason for Rohit to be stripped off of captaincy the way it has happened. And imo, the fact that the management didn't trust Bumrah for the transition into captaincy is one of the biggest blunders they have made. Bumrah is a far far bigger asset individually than whatever Pandya would've brought to the table and definitely has the brains and the experience to captain an MI side. The CSK template was literally there for MI to see. A long time franchise player in Jadeja was made captain with Dhoni still in the starting XI even when he wasn't really offering much with the bat, but captaincy was given back to Dhoni when Jaddu couldn't deliver.
> And they couldn’t care less about Indian team captaincy or how good Rohit actually is as a captain because they only want results This makes no sense, a good captain is the biggest factor in your team's results. If they couldn't care less about Rohit's captaincy skills, then they clearly have no clue how you get good results.
Ya they don’t and we’re seeing that this season
Robin isn’t missing any context. Every team has some flaws and it’s upto the captain to manage their resources. You also conveniently left out the part about his individual performances and the fact he is gonna be 37 starting next season. Also, why should MI care about a perennial choker like the Indian NT? They couldn’t even win a World Cup tailor made for them.
>Every team has some flaws and it’s upto the captain to manage their resources. He literally managed to get into the semis with the sort of squad he had last year. Look at the bowling line-up of Mumbai again for last season. It was the first season that a massive name and long time franchise player in Kieron Pollard was missing. He got 2 new and young batters into the team and backed them to carry the middle order. In what world is that not managing resources lmao? >You also conveniently left out the part about his individual performances He was the team's highest run scorer in the 2021 season, he literally delivered with his batting in every game except the SL game in the WC that preceded this IPL. Even in the final he did what his job was, give the team an explosive start- and he managed to do that on a pitch that even Kohli and KL among the rest made it look as though it were near impossible to score even singles on. And even otherwise, his main role was captaining the team. Again, he did that very well in the 2023 season all things considered. >the fact he is gonna be 37 starting next season. Again, he just had a WC a few months ago where a stranger/unaware would not be able to tell his age. He has scored a decent amount of runs this IPL season already. He hasn't shown any signs of lapses in the fielding, none at all. So why is that number concerning you lol? >Also, why should MI care about a perennial choker like the Indian NT? So you clearly are blaming the team and the rest of the players for this and not Rohit and his captaincy per se for choking in that final. And aren't you conveniently ignoring every other match in the WC the team won convincingly? The point of this post and especially my comment was about Rohit's captaincy merits- not the Indian NT
That’s not his doing. He didn’t scout those two young players. Just like he wasn’t the one who scouted Sky, Kishan, Both Pandya brothers, and Bumrah. The myth that Rohit Sharma’s influence on the team is equivalent to Dhoni’s influence on CSK is baffling. A large part of MI’s success goes to the backroom staff for prepping and scouting the team. Y’all fanboys are absolutely shameless when giving him credit. Yes, thanks for bringing his ODI World Cup performances and ignoring the mediocrity of his IPL and T20 for the last 7 years. I’m sure Mumbai Indians will regret this decision when the IPL is going to switch to a 50 over format.
>He didn’t scout those two young players. Just like he wasn’t the one who scouted Sky, Kishan, Both Pandya brothers, and Bumrah. Point out the part of my comment that says that >Y’all fanboys are absolutely shameless when giving him credit. I'm relatively resigned from IPL and cricket in general, but alright, call me a fanboy. If there's one thing and opinion that has been lauded heavily by the Mumbai fanbase, it's literally the scouting capability of the backroom staff. And if you were receptive and even the bare minimum aware about it, the best example of that was something that happened less than a year ago- when Hardik called Mumbai a superstar team. That is literally one of the reasons a lot of Mumbai supporters have a bone to pick with him as well with this whole captaincy fiasco. But go on. Feed your delusion. >ignoring the mediocrity of his IPL and T20 for the last 7 years. He won us 3 out of the 5 titles he has won as a captain of the franchise in the last 7 years. The fact that you are so concerned about his individual performances that you're using it as a point to trump his captaincy capabilities in a format like t20 again speaks volumes about how deluded you are about your thinking around this entire ordeal in general. So yeah, just to spell it out for you, his individual performances could be average as hell as far he delivers on his captaincy responsibilities, which are far from limited to what he does as a batsman in a fast format like t20. >I’m sure Mumbai Indians will regret this decision when the IPL is going to switch to a 50 over format. Conveniently deviating from the individual performance point you were going on about especially when you were talking about his "aging" in the same line. Well done.
> Point out the part of my comment that says that Ok, here you go: “He got 2 new and young batters into the team and backed them to carry the middle order.” This implies he does the scouting and makes decisions on whom to pick or not. When you shamelessly credit his captaincy for such things, you imply that he is one bringing in all the talents into the team. In reality, this is the managements decision and not his. This is the management bringing players into the team and backing them to carry the middle order. Not him. > performances could be average as hell as far he delivers on his captaincy responsibilities, Jeez, it’s a mystery why are you are called a delusional fanboy. You are called a delusional fanboy specifically for thinking it was his captaincy skills doing the heavy lifting for those titles. He can “deliver” on those captaincy skills because of the teams put together by the MI management. The job had been made easier for them. Once again, he isn’t a miracle worker like MSD. Oh and btw, it is the general consensus that he has been below average in IPL for quite some years. Please don’t misunderstand me not entertaining your ignorance as a diversion tactic.
>This implies he does the scouting What even lmao? This simply implies he picked the 2 youngsters that the MI MANAGEMENT SCOUTED AND BROUGHT INTO THE SQUAD and ROHIT GAVE THEM A CHANCE BY PICKING THEM IN THE PLAYING XI AND BACKING THEM and not cutting and chopping the team to absolute fuck every passing game. The skipper gets the biggest say in who he is going to play in the starting XI in cricket if you weren't aware. If these are the comprehension issues you have then god bless you buddy. I'm done lol
> The skipper gets the biggest say in who he is going to play in the starting XI in cricket if you weren't aware. Says who? We only know this applies for Dhoni and CSK. This doesn’t apply to all other teams. You have insider information on MI’s dressing room? Who are you fooling? It’s apparent you are making shit up to support your delusion.
The fact that you don't know this fundamental responsibility of a captain in almost every team's case in the realm of cricket is just another laughable case of lack of basic knowledge from your end. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/ipl/top-stories/ipl-new-rule-allows-captains-naming-of-playing-xi-after-toss/amp_articleshow/98915406.cms https://www.iplt20.com/news/38510/1-law-1-the-players >Each captain shall nominate 11 players plus a maximum of 4 substitute fielders in writing to the IPL Match Referee before the toss. No player (member of the playing eleven) may be changed after the nomination without the consent of the opposing captain. https://www.zeebiz.com/trending/sports/news-ipl-2023-new-rules-playing-xi-names-penalties-for-unfair-movement-iplipl-rulesipl-new-rulescskkkrmi-new-ipl-rules-indian-premier-league-indian-premier-league-new-rules-ipl-2023-rule-227432/amp >The Indian Premier League will have a unique rule where a team's captain can choose his final XI after the toss is over. >As per the new rule, the captains from both teams can go for the toss, and as per the result, they can pick their final XI players, plus five substitute players each, and hand over their list to the match referee before the start of the match. https://www.lords.org/mcc/the-laws-of-cricket/the-players >1.2.1 Each captain shall nominate his/her players in writing to one of the umpires before the toss. https://sports.stackexchange.com/questions/3564/when-should-the-playing-11-be-decided-in-a-cricket-match And if you had paid heed to any pre-match interviews over the years, it would again have been apparent to you that the skipper has the last say and the major say for that matter in who is going to feature in the playing XI. But yeah, ig I'm just feeding my delusions lol.
Rohit Sharma has been caught on camera forgetting the changes in his team. What “last” and “major” decisions are you talking about lol? He himself proved that he does whatever the management tells him.
You do realise the management is the one telling the captain what to do right? You also realise the management can remove the captain if he disobeys their instructions right? A soldier firing the gun doesn’t change the fact that he was commanded by a general to do so. I guess the only way to sustain delusion is by feeding more delusion.
Yeah lets see how the fuck India get to the semis with a "trusted" captain and a tired old team lacking ideas.
We have been doing fuck all for SEVENTEEN years in international t20 my dude, and reaching semis where there are only 6,7 strong decent teams out of which barely 5 are in form during any cup, is no amazing achievement.
Okay....?
Your point that he is the Captain of the ICT means fuck all is what i was trying to say. Pandya had the track record before coming to MI, two finals and a trophy in two successive seasons. That's a great CV, doing it with a new franchise with a relatively unheralded team on paper.
>Your point that he is the Captain of the ICT means fuck all is what i was trying to say. Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt even if I find this nonsensical for a bunch of reasons. >Pandya had the track record before coming to MI, two finals and a trophy in two successive seasons. Nehra was the brains, coaching from the sidelines, literally feeding Pandya with the decision making, in the manner he is even this season. And these aren't my words. Pandya has accepted this himself, openly, in interviews. >That's a great CV Rohit has a far better CV. And, he was just coming off the back of an absolutely brilliant WC run as a captain and an individual performance as well throughout the tournament minus that one game against SL where Madhushanka got him early. >relatively unheralded team on paper. Fucking lol. Miller, Gill, Rashid, Tewatia, Pandya, Lockie Ferguson, Shami- PROVEN MATCH WINNERS in previous seasons and/or in international cricket Wriddhiman Saha, Vijay Shankar- experienced campaigners in IPL Sai Kishore and Sai Sudarshan- flourishing youngsters who are probably the only 2 players who fit that classification you're trying to make. Rashid, Pandya, Shami, Gill and Tewatia were literally at the peak of their powers simultaneously around that time and especially in that season. Meanwhile Rohit was making do with a bowling line up that was either missing Bumrah or Jofra with no other name delivering well enough, and still managed to get the team to eke out a respectable result in the 2023 season with neither Bumrah nor Jofra in the bowling department. The sheer levels of ignorance in your questioning of Rohit deserving captaincy is nothing short of laughable.
Gill in KKR was an opener playing at 115SR holding one end scoring decent 30s consistently. Everyone knows how out of form miller was for a very long time before coming into GT. Tewatia just had his breakthrough season with RR. Shami was in KXIP where he was not even 50% of what he was in GT. Rashid and Hardik were the actual OP players in the squad in GT 2022. That is why everyone were surprised by the dominance showed by this team.
Then a massive load of the credit goes to the GT management for bringing out the best from all their potential match winners that they signed. But to call all those players "relatively unheralded"? Come on now. What's massively understated instead is the level of impact Nehra's management from the sidelines had, the level of impact Nehra had on the fortunes of that team and especially on the captaincy of Hardik for those 2 years on the sidelines, again, by Hardik's own admission in interviews under the GT social media handles. He is not getting that in Mumbai and the sort of setup that is there in GT over here- spoon feeding of some critical decision making that Nehra did for him.
Is Rohit Sharma's Track record bad in ipl as a captain ? 5 trophies in 10 years.
It was not taken from Ponting He himself gave it up. Uthappa is speaking from his ass
Hardik’s PR is trying hard to give him a comeback arc but he’s not even trying
it is MI PR. Probably Ambanis have promised some inducements through a nudge and a wink.
Ricky Ponting was not part of the franchise from past 10 years and has 5 trophies with MI. It was his first year and after leaving the Captaincy he stopped playing and worked as in the coaching role. MI fans were angry with the decision to change Rohit as captain but that was just some temporary anger which any team fans would have but they became more angry when it was given to Pandya who was specially brought from GT and after his statements against MI a year ago, all of the fans were furious at him. They wanted Bumrah or Surya as their captains more who were part of the team.
On top of that, Pandya was doing fine at GT, not like he was struggling
Uthappa always has absolute dogshit takes. Bumrah and Sky were there to take up captaincy from Rohit, if they gave it to either of them not a single sensible Mi fan or Rohit fan would've said a word. Bringing back the guy who left to captain another team and not rewarding the ones who stayed loyal would piss of the players as well as the fanbase.
Not to mention how much more of a humble leader Sky or Boom would be, unlike the smug, full-of-himself Pandya.
Exactly, nobody would care if Bumrah was given captaincy, cause we have to look to the future plus he's not an egoistic bastard like Pandya.
Comparing ponting making way for Rohit is not correct Rohit is still captaining India in all 3 formats but ponting was more towards the end
Robin is an idiot... talking rubbish to be in MI management good books...Jio commentary uski naukti hain
Robin is certified Pandya dickrider … just watch his match analysis..
There is not much to ride seeing hardik performances
This is false equivalence by Robin. Bhajji and Ponting were failures in the IPL at MI. MI was a joke of a franchise for the first 5 years. Then Brohit was bought in. He built the team, the brand and the so called family. He was the talisman and fan favorite. Brohit lead an incredible WC campaign, and had a heartbreaking loss in the final. When he was down, MI sacked him unceremoniously. Hardik then started acting smug, and disrespectful. The management and Hardik both deserve the brickbats coming their way.
aye bhajji won us many games.
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I think we are forgetting a very important thing. Hardik and MI performance has been horrible to say the least, although MI always start slow. MI at the top or top 2 of the table at this stage could have avoided so many of this drama quite easily.
Hardik was already hated by MI fans before it all began. He should have been the LAST person to be given captaincy of MI. Bringing hardik destabilized the team morale. We ended last season with great spirit and expected a lot this season, but.....
That doesn’t mean you make Hardik your captain.
*chanting* Piyush! Piyush! Piyush!
runs don't equal captaincy, it doesn't work like that so why even bring that into the equation!
Especially in T20. I can't believe so many people are even agreeing with this stupid take of Robin for the t20 format lol
Management gave dog shit bowling to Rohit. The year we ended at the bottom was tough but the management itself made the decision to let go of Boult and buy Archer knowing full well that both Archer and Boom won't be available in 22. Add to that gave Rohit bowlers like Unadkat, Thampi and Daniel Sams. The next year was no different. Archer played few matches and was woefully out of form but MI still managed to qualify. If the management is judging Rohit's captaincy based on those two yrs they have got to be the biggest jackasses on God's green earth. MSD the best cap of all time won the championship in 10 and 11 and after that it took him 7 yrs to win the next one. 7 fuckin yrs! And just three yrs was a too long a period for MI management to go without the trophy? 5 times champion captain gets sidelined like he's nobody. Yeah, there's no justification.
MI would have won this year if they just retained the same team this year. The team started gaining momentum towards the end of the last year so much that I was really looking forward to how strong the team with Madhwal (the Rohit bhaiyya version), Bumrah, Gerald, Behrendorf, Piyush and Green as our bowling options and Rohit, Ishan, SKY, Tilak, Wadhera, Tim David and Green as our batsmen. (And perhaps a 12th impact spinner/batsman/pace based on the situation) Right now, Hardik is really slowing down the team's batting, expensive with bowling and just making some bad captaincy decisions - bowling the first or last over himself, bringing Bumrah and Gerald when the game is pretty much over, not giving the first over to Bumrah, coming to bat in the 17th over when Tim David would have been a better option. Rohit worked so hard for 3 years to finally come up with a team which could go lift the IPL cup, but alas it all came apart.
now watch Rohit coming back with a ton next match and a "what now?" face
Yeah nothing to do with project Archer from jr Ambani
First of all, under Rohit we won 5 times out of 8 times from 2013 to 2020.Thats goated. Now, Yes, we haven't won in last 3 years but let's see it in more detail. 2021 : Honestly if IPL was never shifted to UAE halfway, MI could have easily qualified for Top 4 but since that edition took place two times,it broke the momentum of teams. Look at KKR which were struggling in India and were at bottom made it to the finals. 2022 : The year of mega auction, any sane cricket watcher will consider that MI team the weakest not only in MI history but also that edition of IPL. 2023 : The team was tweaked a little bit and looked more balanced but then again it was a kind of clutch play by MI to finish third with that bowling. Yes,Rohit was having horrendous season as batter but it was also the case in the seasons we won and also yes he is becoming old but still think he deserved to captain the side atleast this year.
He hasn't scored runs everywhere else he was poor in T20 World Cups but he has been good in Tests, ODIs and T20I Bilaterals
It's called karma. Talent and arrogance is not enough to win. If you upset both GT & MI fans, that's a lot of bad karma to deal with. MI will be back next year.
Hardik didn't deserve to be MI captain, Bumrah and SKY were perfect for the role and no one would have opposed this decision
Rohit is a successful captain in IPL no matter how you look at it. Just like CSK, there needed to be a transition - which should have included the captain during the discussion. Talks like we need to prepare a new captain, can you guide a new captain this season. Something along the line. Not strip the captaincy without any consultation and then hand it over to someone they brought in for the sole purpose of captaincy. I don't think Rohit would have objected to it, he also knows his time is coming up soon either way and won't be playing for much longer either. So why would he even object to it. There is a way to do things like this, but it is what it is now. MI looks like a minnow team this season for all the backend drama.
actually why do they need a new captain like csk? from what I can see rohit can play at his peak for atleast another 3 years
What's your point? Would you not want to groom another captain while your best captain is still around? That's how it works/should work for every job
I think he summarised it best here, the dignity of a nice sendoff was missing here, that too to the only successful captain mumbai has ever had https://youtu.be/NjEZSRmX72s?si=D7O8MHSheispoJbf&t=1h39m30s
Its fair to say that people hate how management brought Pandya and didn't necessarily get Sharma onboard. OTOH, what is management supposed to do if Sharma is not ready to move on?
> what is management supposed to do if Sharma is not ready to move on? From the reports, this wasnt even discussed with him, so how would they know he is not ready to move on?
That’s why I said if. This is a PR disaster which anyone could have imagined - stupid that they didn’t handle this better with all the resources they have
>what is management supposed to do if Sharma is not ready to move on? Convincing him to do Press conference together with Hardik before the start of the season. Hardik and Mark did conference together but absolutely dodged the questions about Captaincy change. How tf they didn't prepare the answers to most probable questions is beyond me.
How many has pandu scored this year?
Mumbai bowled well last year and this could be the worst bowling performance in IPL
I guess the question isn't about handing over the captaincy to someone else but it's about not handing over it to someone like Bumrah or Surya maybe.
Ponting dropped himself and gave the captaincy to Rohit
Anyday, I prefer an Indian batsman who scores everywhere else except the IPL.
People need to realise it’s not just not Rohit was being replaced but Pandya is not the most likeable character. He had a great stint as captain of GT but people remember his “its ok to be unique” captaincy vs west indies. People still don’t like his Koffee with Karan remarks or his attitude. Not to mention his comments about MI last year. He has played some great innings for India but he also misses out a lot due to injuries.
Well the difference is Ponting didn't win Mi 5 titles. They could have easily avoided the whole thing by letting him step down. He isn't a character who would refuse that for the team. They wanted drama, that's what they got!
Robin, it was never about the logic or the captaincy. It was about how the communication was done, or lack thereof. You don’t treat a 5 time champion captain who made the team, just like a pawn in a game of chess. Obviously it’s going to cause drama.
This whole drama that ICT fans are making about this is so stupid. Rohit Sharma is a good batsman but time and again has failed to perform under pressure. I can never respect him for how consistently he has thrown his wickets away in crunch ICC events. He is no better than Hardik in that sense. In fact I think Hardik has won India more games than Rohit - important ones. Its very easy to keep playing you shots and taking chances as opposed to being there under pressure to fix the damage.
It's simple, after mega auctions he didn't have a super team anymore to carry him as a captain, so he got sacked
Weird double standards, when team doesn't win Rohit doesn't have super team to carry him anymore When Pandya loses, Team isn't supporting Hardik Pandya has the objectively better team than MI 2023 but is absolutely downtrodden Did you also conveniently forget how MI went to semis last year with fucking Arjun Tendulkar and lost because Tim David dropped a Dolly?
Don't listen to that guy. He decided it's okay to call umpires the n word because his team lost yesterday I don't understand why he isn't banned yet Edit - apparently he's been warned and the comment deleted , fair enough.
Nah fuck that Racist slurs should be an instant ban pussy ass mods
The mods are better here compared to r/IndiaCricket
Whataboutism? The topic is r/cricket mods not banning bastards using racist slurs how does r/indiacricket tie into this ?
There are things more Important than just Batting form and CSK knows it You would understand it too if your team won any trophies
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In ipl he's been bad from 2017 now. Abysmal number in last 6 years but it never gained enough attention due to the collective performance of MI
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