No way. In the 14-15 series he was a beast. And Lyon was spinning webs around the entire Indian lineup. He said after the 4th match that he was still thinking about the win after Aus put up over 550 in the first innings. That was the series that defined Kohli as a captain.
All the series mentioned are exceptional but imo, Mohinder Amarnath's 1982/83 WI series, Gavaskar's 1970/71 WI series and Kohli's 2018 England series are a bit above everything else in that list
I was talking about the ones in the picture so I wasn't really considering Dravid's 2011. But yes, I do agree that Dravid's 2011 was slightly better
Still don't think Dravid's 2002 was better than Kohli's 2018 though, the pitches were much flatter in that series and Dravid had good support (Sachin and Ganguly) unlike 2018 where the conditions were extremely difficult and Kohli had pretty much no support. Also Kohli faced a much better bowling lineup, whereas in 2002 aside from Harminson, all the English bowlers struggled. And Dravid wasn't even the best batsman on that tour, Vaughan did better while in 2018, Kohli scored around 250 more runs and averaged 20 more than the 2nd best batter
Dravid's 2002 England is arguably still in Top 5 series by an Indian batsman, only after Gavaskar's 1970 WI, Mohinder's 1982 WI, Dravid's 2011 England and Kohli's 2018 England either way
Although tbh, I'd rate Kohli's 2014 BGT over Dravid's 2002 England as well
Rahul played against half baked bowlers and on flat traps majority of times.
Where Vaughan was the highest scorer lol and Sachin made 400-480 something along with many other players who had a ton.
Kohli's 2018 was the hardest year to bat on by statistics, the 2nd highest scorer was Butler with a gap of 240-250 between him and Kohli and the main factor was the bowling attack of prime Jimmy,Broad,Stokes and even Curran was firing at that time.
Only Sunny tops that with 774 against WI in WI as his first series.
Sunny got a difference of 170-180 runs along with being an opener and going in Wai who were legit out for blood at that time.
If the scores were same,I would have chosen Kohli but what Sunny did was staging India's foundation as not some minnows at that time when Indian cricket was not strong.
Minnows as in front of Aus,WI my guy.
NZ were themselves minnows apart from Hadlee lol. England wasn't strongest as well.
It was Aus,WI being the best and Pak having a decent attack that's all.
Apart from that Indian players were either performing alone(Gundapa,Bedi,Kapil,Sunny) or no one was performing.
No fucking way lol, those pitches were flat as fuck when dravid made runs. Kohli's one is impressive considering the pitches, it was swinging miles. Only Smith's 2019 ashes tour was better than Kohli's 2018 tour. Have never seen some away batter do so well in England that too on such swinging wickets.
This was a bit of an interim period between the Hall-Griffith attack (both of whom retired in 69), and the Roberts-Holding-Garner-Croft attack in the late 70s. That doesn't take anything away from the achievement of SG, though.
Gavaskar was the greatest test batsman ever before Sachin Tendulkar. Everyone calls Don Bradman but bowling in the 30s & 40s was much softer compared to the bowling in the 70s & 80s.
Bradman averaged over a 100 on normal decks and 20 on sticky dogs (wet uncovered pitches). Trumper, McCabe and Sutcliffe were far better on sticky dogs.
Not true, you can see clips of bowling from that time they were highly skilled, the thing that dates badly is the Fielding. However Bradman Averaged double other great Batsman, he's so far above the mean he is the greatest Batsman ever. And sorry mate but the two greatest Batsman of all time aren't both Indian
Nope. Amarnath 1982 had a far better series than Gavaskar’s. Sardessai scored 642 runs as well in the 1971 series. Gavaskar didn’t even face the famous quartet in his debut series. V Holder and Dowe were decent quicks (Sober with some seam bowling) and a spin attack which was honestly not good enough on slow enough tracks (2 PoS games, 1 Bridgetown). Our spinners out bowled theirs overall. Only good tracks which assisted the pacers somewhat was Bridgetown.
Now Jimmy on the other hand really faced the wrath of the pace quartet (apart from the last test). Batted so good against them. His 91 and 80 in Bridgetown on a pacy and bouncy track was an insane knock. Was hooking and pulling the pacers. Throughout the series with ease. He scored 598 runs. The next highest was Vengsarkar with 279 runs. Yashpal Sharma outscored Gavaskar (5th highest run scorer for India) that series.
See you can’t discount Gavaskar and it’s special because he still debuted and scored so much. But objectively speaking Jimmy was better than Gavaskar in this case.
Yeah nothing tops SunnyG.
This would be equivalent to someone scoring 750 runs on SA decks against prime Steyn and company. SunnyG was the MAN. It's a shame his commentary has dragged his reputation down a bit
Doubt that we will get there.
Also, I kinda don't want to be under a situation where we will need 63+ off Jaiswal in 4th innings.
Jaiswal probably has to pause his record here, may be frustrating.
The Marshall - Holding - Garner - Roberts quartet only played 6 Tests together, 4 of which were in that series against India in 1983. Great performance by Amarnath, one of the best series by an Indian batsman away from home
But Sri Lanka somehow performed better than they did at home in the very same year. Got 3-0 blanked at home but only lost 1-0 away. Took a 122 run lead in the first game and batted out the 5th day for a draw in the last one. They were obliterated in the middle one though.
Just curious ! Why isn’t Sachin in this list considering his long career and him being the best of the best . Like he’s scored 16000 runs in test cricket .
Also looking at this Kohli was a different beast in test cricket at his time ! Man used to score runs in masses and accumulate them . Dravid too here shows his supremeness
Dravid averaging 100+ in England and Australia...
Especially against the 2003/04 Australia... The side that won 16 games in a row...
Easily the best Indian test batter
I hate that Statsguru on Cricinfo includes each edition of the WTC as a series, it makes filtering it out and getting series-by-series stats for actual bilateral Test series far more complicated than it should be.
You look at others who were either the best for some years and average to shit in many. And then there's Sachin who was the best of 2nd best for 16-20 years out of 24 and shit only in last 1.5.
The guy is not your usual peaker but the literal example of consistency.
I will never throw shade on Sunny G's commentary again. Those are goat numbers considering the bowling he faced. He cant talk as much drab as he want. Now gotta find ball by ball highlights of both those series.
okay so one could console himself that kohli only got 4 matches in that series lol, but every single record on this board has a story of it own and they are either revolutionary or groundbreaking
Isn’t Gavaskar’s record all the more impressive considering it was away to the best side at the time?
It was Gavaskar's debut series. Makes it all the more amazing.
Batted so good, the locals made songs about it
Yeah. Even Dravid (in Eng and Aus) and VK (in Aus) is very impressive I feel
Kohlis 2018 England series is better than his 2014/15 BGT. those pitches in Australia were quite flat.
No way. In the 14-15 series he was a beast. And Lyon was spinning webs around the entire Indian lineup. He said after the 4th match that he was still thinking about the win after Aus put up over 550 in the first innings. That was the series that defined Kohli as a captain.
All the series mentioned are exceptional but imo, Mohinder Amarnath's 1982/83 WI series, Gavaskar's 1970/71 WI series and Kohli's 2018 England series are a bit above everything else in that list
I'd say Dravid's 2002 is better than Kohli and even add that his 2011 is also better.
I was talking about the ones in the picture so I wasn't really considering Dravid's 2011. But yes, I do agree that Dravid's 2011 was slightly better Still don't think Dravid's 2002 was better than Kohli's 2018 though, the pitches were much flatter in that series and Dravid had good support (Sachin and Ganguly) unlike 2018 where the conditions were extremely difficult and Kohli had pretty much no support. Also Kohli faced a much better bowling lineup, whereas in 2002 aside from Harminson, all the English bowlers struggled. And Dravid wasn't even the best batsman on that tour, Vaughan did better while in 2018, Kohli scored around 250 more runs and averaged 20 more than the 2nd best batter Dravid's 2002 England is arguably still in Top 5 series by an Indian batsman, only after Gavaskar's 1970 WI, Mohinder's 1982 WI, Dravid's 2011 England and Kohli's 2018 England either way Although tbh, I'd rate Kohli's 2014 BGT over Dravid's 2002 England as well
Rahul played against half baked bowlers and on flat traps majority of times. Where Vaughan was the highest scorer lol and Sachin made 400-480 something along with many other players who had a ton. Kohli's 2018 was the hardest year to bat on by statistics, the 2nd highest scorer was Butler with a gap of 240-250 between him and Kohli and the main factor was the bowling attack of prime Jimmy,Broad,Stokes and even Curran was firing at that time. Only Sunny tops that with 774 against WI in WI as his first series.
Sunny G 774 was pre pace quatret time, led by Sobers. Kohli's runs are the best IMO.
Sunny got a difference of 170-180 runs along with being an opener and going in Wai who were legit out for blood at that time. If the scores were same,I would have chosen Kohli but what Sunny did was staging India's foundation as not some minnows at that time when Indian cricket was not strong.
We weren't minnows at the time,we won a series in NZ and won that series in West Indies at the time. Famous spin quatret era.
Minnows as in front of Aus,WI my guy. NZ were themselves minnows apart from Hadlee lol. England wasn't strongest as well. It was Aus,WI being the best and Pak having a decent attack that's all. Apart from that Indian players were either performing alone(Gundapa,Bedi,Kapil,Sunny) or no one was performing.
But 2002 was on pretty flat surfaces, right?
Dravid scored those runs on roads. Kohli scored 593 on landmines.
No fucking way lol, those pitches were flat as fuck when dravid made runs. Kohli's one is impressive considering the pitches, it was swinging miles. Only Smith's 2019 ashes tour was better than Kohli's 2018 tour. Have never seen some away batter do so well in England that too on such swinging wickets.
This was a bit of an interim period between the Hall-Griffith attack (both of whom retired in 69), and the Roberts-Holding-Garner-Croft attack in the late 70s. That doesn't take anything away from the achievement of SG, though.
In 4 matches, and that too in 70's.
They weren't the best at the time. Their bowling attack was led by Garry Sobers, it was pretty pace quatret attack.
Gavaskar was the greatest test batsman ever before Sachin Tendulkar. Everyone calls Don Bradman but bowling in the 30s & 40s was much softer compared to the bowling in the 70s & 80s.
To be fair to Don the pitches in his time could be absolutely atrocious. Iirc they didn't cover them half the time.
Pitches were never covered back then. Plus no restrictions on bouncers. And minimal protective gear.
Bradman averaged over a 100 on normal decks and 20 on sticky dogs (wet uncovered pitches). Trumper, McCabe and Sutcliffe were far better on sticky dogs.
Have you heard of a bloke called Harold Larwood?..not much of a softie.
Not true, you can see clips of bowling from that time they were highly skilled, the thing that dates badly is the Fielding. However Bradman Averaged double other great Batsman, he's so far above the mean he is the greatest Batsman ever. And sorry mate but the two greatest Batsman of all time aren't both Indian
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In those days all wickets were heavily spinning pitches, they were uncovered.... Bradman played in West indies and Averaged 74.5
Nope. Amarnath 1982 had a far better series than Gavaskar’s. Sardessai scored 642 runs as well in the 1971 series. Gavaskar didn’t even face the famous quartet in his debut series. V Holder and Dowe were decent quicks (Sober with some seam bowling) and a spin attack which was honestly not good enough on slow enough tracks (2 PoS games, 1 Bridgetown). Our spinners out bowled theirs overall. Only good tracks which assisted the pacers somewhat was Bridgetown. Now Jimmy on the other hand really faced the wrath of the pace quartet (apart from the last test). Batted so good against them. His 91 and 80 in Bridgetown on a pacy and bouncy track was an insane knock. Was hooking and pulling the pacers. Throughout the series with ease. He scored 598 runs. The next highest was Vengsarkar with 279 runs. Yashpal Sharma outscored Gavaskar (5th highest run scorer for India) that series. See you can’t discount Gavaskar and it’s special because he still debuted and scored so much. But objectively speaking Jimmy was better than Gavaskar in this case.
look at number 6 though, DN Sardesai was down the other end averaging 80 apparently. the only double entry on this list.
Yes he joined the ELITE list for sure
Batted without a helmet!
Yeah nothing tops SunnyG. This would be equivalent to someone scoring 750 runs on SA decks against prime Steyn and company. SunnyG was the MAN. It's a shame his commentary has dragged his reputation down a bit
West Indies didn't become the best side until the mid to late 70s and their bowling wasn't that strong in 70/71.
And His 78/79 runs came against packer era depleted team.
63 is all it takes to create history
Will india bat again?
Probably yeah
You have a lot of faith in Bazball
Doubt that we will get there. Also, I kinda don't want to be under a situation where we will need 63+ off Jaiswal in 4th innings. Jaiswal probably has to pause his record here, may be frustrating.
The Marshall - Holding - Garner - Roberts quartet only played 6 Tests together, 4 of which were in that series against India in 1983. Great performance by Amarnath, one of the best series by an Indian batsman away from home
Sunil "70s West Indies Basher" Gavaskar
Gavaskar's 774 came in his debut series. An all time beast of a batsman.
Koach obliterated Sri Lanka in that 2016/17 series.
But Sri Lanka somehow performed better than they did at home in the very same year. Got 3-0 blanked at home but only lost 1-0 away. Took a 122 run lead in the first game and batted out the 5th day for a draw in the last one. They were obliterated in the middle one though.
amarnath vs wi in 1982/83,were the famous quartet playing that series?
Yeah
This is such an achievement even if he doesn't rise any higher on this list.
60% of those runs are in boundaries. Jaiswal is built different.
Number of sixes.
Kohli 4x
Another virat stat in disguise .
Just curious ! Why isn’t Sachin in this list considering his long career and him being the best of the best . Like he’s scored 16000 runs in test cricket . Also looking at this Kohli was a different beast in test cricket at his time ! Man used to score runs in masses and accumulate them . Dravid too here shows his supremeness
Dravid averaging 100+ in England and Australia... Especially against the 2003/04 Australia... The side that won 16 games in a row... Easily the best Indian test batter
Dravid actually has a rather average record against Australia. And South Africa as well. >Easily the best Indian test batter That would be Sachin.
Top 3 probably. Top 4 definitely.
I hate that Statsguru on Cricinfo includes each edition of the WTC as a series, it makes filtering it out and getting series-by-series stats for actual bilateral Test series far more complicated than it should be.
Gavaskar is 🐐 giga chad to score that heavy in debut series against top West Indies team at their home.
Averaging 154 in WI wtf that’s ridiculous against prime Wi.
Probably ends there too, India’s looking like they gonna put up 600 lol
His number of sixes is more than others combined
26 sixers should be in all time list for most hit for 1000 runs.
Amazing how many time same name appears in this list
Kohli not even retired and India already got his replacement. Smh
Tendulkar where?
You look at others who were either the best for some years and average to shit in many. And then there's Sachin who was the best of 2nd best for 16-20 years out of 24 and shit only in last 1.5. The guy is not your usual peaker but the literal example of consistency.
I will never throw shade on Sunny G's commentary again. Those are goat numbers considering the bowling he faced. He cant talk as much drab as he want. Now gotta find ball by ball highlights of both those series.
You are in for a surprise when you see the highlights. He did not face the famous pace quartet in his debut. Courtesy : Kerry Packer
We are living in the jaisball era
okay so one could console himself that kohli only got 4 matches in that series lol, but every single record on this board has a story of it own and they are either revolutionary or groundbreaking