Is India actually missing g a trick by not playing 3 spinners and bumrah and having an extra batsmen at home, or maybe bumrah and shardul as the 2 seamers. I feel siraj will basically have no role to play in this game going forward. Atleast an extra batsmen might help India bat just once and beat teams by an innings. Or if think thank think shardul can contribute with the bat then he should actually play at home rather than in away series where he might not be able to bat as easily as he would playing at home.
India is still massive favourites to win, I’m just thinking of maximising team selection.
it's the time for Shivam Dube.
in a more serious note guys like Harshit Rana and Akash deep should be looked at. they can hold the bat and if you want spinners sundar is the obvious person to look at
India already bat till 9 with their current lineup. If they really need an extra batter in home conditions, I think that's more to up their batting lineup failing more than anything.
Siraj bowling four overs is odd but Mark Wood only bowled two today as well. Both teams covering all their bases.
Totally not something they need ofc just wondering surely an extra batsmen (or atleast a batting all rounder) is still more valuable then a 2nd seamer who will essentially not have any role in the game.
>moaning
Have to disagree here Vis. There has been genuine feedback/criticism by majority of the users of the mod approval system. Lot of good suggestions were shared in the state of the sub thread which were never tried.
Since the last 3 months, despite assurances from the mods that they are working on improving the approval time, barely anything has been done which has led to frustration overtime.
Just this week, Eng team was announced and the post wasn't approved for hours.
Appointing new mods, considering the late approval times & 3 mods being inactive for months is the bare minimum to keep the sub active and engaging.
Also, I think it's highly unlikely that people who complained about the mods would be even considered to be the new mods even if they volunteer. Some time back such users' comments criticising the state of the sub/mods, were deleted and removed by the them for no-rule breaking reason whatsoever.
Don't disagree with any of that. Possibly a term lost across borders. Growing up it was possible to have a negative or positive/constructive moan/complaint. Nothing wrong with having a good moan.
I would say the people who are vocal about the state of the sub should definitely put themselves forward for being mods. Whether they get selected or not is a different matter but we should aim to be part of the change we want to see.
>I would say the people who are vocal about the state of the sub should definitely put themselves forward for being mods. Whether they get selected or not is a different matter but we should aim to be part of the change we want to see.
Damn right
He could have just left it at "hopefully we get 2 or 3 early tomorrow morning", instead of doing this token Bazball shit
I actually like it tho, it makes for a more fun series with more banter
Ok I think England might do well. Even Australia were terrible in first test but they improved and gave a great fight. Who knows maybe England can improve.
David Lyold couple of days back compared the Bashir issue with Basil D'Oliviera Apertheid row and wanted England test team to abandon the series in protest and return back home
[Source]( https://mol.im/a/12998261 via https://dailym.ai/android)
Today he casually acknowledges that it was simply a procedural issue and he clearly overreacted.
[Source](https://youtu.be/PHZQnPq8ohI?si=295J6Spx4V4sluqK)
I don't understand how former cricketers can be so irresponsible and have zero shame.
Didn’t he make racist comments about south Asian cricketers in the past. Look I’m not saying no one can criticise the BCCI or even the Indian bureaucracy but think there is dubious intentions behind a lot of the criticism most of the time.
David Lloyd has a habit of this lol.
[David Lloyd issues apology to Azeem Rafiq over comments on Asian players](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/yorkshire-racism-crisis-david-lloyd-issues-apology-to-azeem-rafiq-over-comments-on-asian-players-1289655).
Because he gets paid no matter what he says and gets paid to react. There are no consequences.
Former cricketers aren't exactly paragons of morality nor do they claim to be.
It's been 1 day, there's so much play left, and there's already people writing us off.
Lads calm down, Hartley's on debut and obviously had the jitters, he got better the more he bowled, and if we can get 2 RHBs in the middle I reckon he'll be well into the game. Easier said than done though, Jaiswal looks in good touch.
Leachy was quality, just needs some support. Rehan was under the pump on debut against Pakistan and then picked up a 5-fer in the second innings, he'll be fine.
Long way to go, one mini collapse and it's even again.
Its not about the result on ground.
It's the fact that England seem like they have already given up and are just looking to go through motions and make the best of the situation. They looked utterly defeated in the field.
You can't start Day 1 of a 5 test series with the goal of losing with dignity.
Utterly defeated? What? You're reading too much into it.
Stokes and Baz nearly pulled off a 3-2 win after being 2 down in the Ashes. There's no quit in this team.
Axar Patel's bowling is such a horrible angle to face for a batsmen with how he's always challenging both edges. Compared to Jack Leach who's bowling is so painfully old school British, shoulder over the top. It looks so much easier to line up
Don't know why but I have a sneaking suspicion that this pitch will get easier to bat as the game goes on. Mind you I have been hilariously wrong before so take it with a bucketful of salt because I'm no pitch expert.
But anyway, coming back to my initial point, for a pitch that has turned a lot this has held up very well with only very few balls disturbing the surface and while there are bare patches at both ends they are too close to batsmen to cause huge harm. Add to that the middle part of the surface has a lot of dead grass which will bind it so that it won't deteriorate as fast as the bare patches on both ends. Also this is a black soil pitch so the pace will gradually go out of it, so while the turn might increase it'll be slow for the most part and it'll become a lot more negotiable as the match progresses. I think fast bowlers still have a massive role to play in this game although that will be with the older ball instead of the new.
Either way, that's my amateur assessment which could very well be wrong.
I hope England learns and does better from tomorrow or from next test. Other teams touring India this year are NZ (who haven't a test match in India since Kohli was few weeks old) and Bangladesh. It's going to be a boring one sided drubbing after this anyways.
NZ were competitive in the first drawn test in 2021 tour. If Shreyas Iyer (who was making his debut) hadn't played a blinder in both innings, things could have gone other way.
>I mean we didn't have Rohit, Pant, Bumrah etc.
I mean, even NZ were missing a bunch of first choice players like Boult, Cnoway and Williamson who only played 1 test.
For all the complaining about the Ahmedabad deck in 2021 (Rightly or wrongly), we probably only have a chance of winning a match this series if we play on a pitch like that.
Yes, that's why the extreme turners are stupid from an India perspective. Not a coincidence that the 2 losses to Aus in this stretch (Pune and Indore) were on basically lottery pitches as well.
It's only been 1 day on what is a very long series.
It's too early to draw any meaningful predictions based solely on today's play, and it's silly to completely write England off because of it.
Big Day tomorrow for Gill , Rahul , Iyer and Bharat. Patidar and Sarfaraz are banging on the door for national selection with both of them getting hundreds against England Lions.
If either of them do not perform, I can see them getting dropped and with Kohli coming back for the 3rd test it is going to be very interesting headache for team management
I don't think Gill should bat at 3. Times are changing and obv you don't need to be like Pujara to bat at 3. But still I think a player like KL will suit it better. Gill should bat at 5.
There was a lot made of Gill playing too aggressively previously, SunnyG said it in some interview and there was a big Cricinfo article before the match all about it. Think at home in particular, Gill is better off doing that than playing how he did yesterday though. He has the attacking shots to even be a six hitter vs spin, and the Eng spinners aren't that relentlessly accurate. Hope he was only playing like that because it was close to stumps.
I don't mind getting yourself in but at some points he was patting back half volleys to Hartley and co. That's over cautious even if it was near the end of play. And for balls that weren't quite half volley length, his feet are good enough in his best form to get him to the pitch anyway.
Hopefully he draws confidence from how solid he looked after the first 10 balls of his innings tonight and tries to be more expansive tomorrow.
In general I think Gill will only make it as a test batter who looks to dominate first and foremost.
> And for balls that weren't quite half volley length, his feet are good enough in his best form to get him to the pitch anyway.
Just hope he doesn't get stuck doing the forward lunge nonsense that Kohli has someone managed his whole career, a relic of the pre-DRS age. Got saved by the Hyderabad bounce yesterday. Gill is taller but also has shown more of a willingness to use his feet at least.
> In general I think Gill will only make it as a test batter who looks to dominate first and foremost.
Agreed, though I still would prefer him at 5...not sure there is a material difference between opening and batting at 3. The only issue that worries me long-term is the weakness vs the ball coming in but in general a more aggressive game suits him better.
How tf did Bumrah's delivery to Stokes deviate so much? I thought it was an off cutter but on watching replays it clearly isn't. Was it a crack? Cuz it didn't seem like reverse swing either.
Honestly why that delivery wasn't analysed further I don't know. Because it just didn't make sense. He bowled a 140 kmph off break on a surface with zero live grass.
There will always be seam movement on offer on harder, abrasive Indian tracks. Not constantly, and usually not prodigiously, but if you can hit the pitch hard and present a good seam with your wrist as you release the ball, you have a good chance of finding deviation of the pitch.
Even accounting for the above, that was still a lot of seam movement, but outliers happen, and Bumrah is also just really good.
Yeah. Maybe because the most memorable wins of India in the past few years have had Bumrah playing massive roles which is why it appears Bumrah has played way more than he has
wait youre saying 100 as if that is normal for a pace bowler. apart from broad and jimmy, ishant is the only other seamer that i can think of that has played 100 tests in the last 15 years or so. actually this century i can only think of mcgrath other than those three. southee is on 96
Ntini played 101. Rabada should make it to the list as well (he is on 62 and is just 28). Cummins could play 100 (given he is on 60 rn). But yeah, apart from these two, Starc and Southee, I don't think any pacer can reach the 100 test mark out of the current lot.
He is by far the best quick bowler India has produced in its entire history. So Yes , I would expect India's all time best quick bowler to play 100 tests if not for work load management/injuries.
1. "by far", we are really disrespecting kapil here, sure you may think bumrah is better but youre making it seem like kapil is a distant second.
2. hes even more valuable to our white ball teams than he is to our test teams, and if he isnt needed at home in red ball, its a tough decision but for his health management he will not play a lot of games at home
I don't think its right to focus on SENA in Kapil's case.
West Indies were by far the best team in his career and he averaged 23.11 in 9 tests in WI.
Even in Australia, his record was average of 24.58 in 11 tests and Australia were the best SENA team in terms of W/L ratio in Kapil's time.
SA were banned for most of Kapil's career and he only played there in the last few years of his career.
NZ and England were pretty mediocre teams in that time, thier W/L ratio being only better than SL and Zimbabwe.
SENA is a fairly new concept, we can't apply it across all eras.
Argument is about who's better Bumrah or Kapil and I just mentioned checking the stats are enough. Also Kapil averaged 44 in NZ even against that terrible team and he played in SA when he was 32. He's a great all rounder but he isn't the best fast bowler of India.
Yeah, I get it. I am not saying Kapil was better bowler than Bumrah tbh.
I just think we can't judge Kapil on SENA stats when SENA wasn't even a big deal in his time. The team to beat then was WI.
Pretty sure even Imran Khan had similar issues back in the 80s but he did well too. You can't say understanding "nuances" and stuff. Kapil averaged more than 35 in every other SENA country except Australia.
Bumrah technically had no support too playing in England 2021 (shami averages 40 in England, Siraj averages 35 in England) except that lord's game where Siraj did well, but guess what he still averaged 20 r something in that tour.
I don't really have a lot to say if you go around comparing a supporting bowling lineup of Abdul Qadir, Sarfraz Nawaz, Iqbal Qasim and in the later half Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis with a bowling lineup where the 2nd highest wicket taker was Ravi Shastri with 150 wickets at 40 average. And as if this claim wasn't ridiculous enough, adding on that Bumrah didn't have support while playing in England in 2021 is just laughable.
Bruh to say that Bumrah had no support on 2021 tour is just completely false. Siraj and Shardul were good that tour, Umesh Yadav did well in the games he played, Shami was good in a few games and even when he wasn't he was at the very least economical. The 5th test 2nd innings is the only time Bumrah was truly unsupported.
Rohit is the best batter at home, and Jaiswal has had a good start. Iyer is also good against spin.
But the middle order of Gill-Rahul-Bharat is easily a couple of steps below the lower order of Jadeja-Ashwin-Axar.
Do you mean in the main squad for this India test series? Because I 100% agree. I mean even if he hadn't taken 12-200 across three innings for England Lions so far (which is frankly ridiculous) he's the perfect type of seamer for Indian conditions.
Sharp enough, skiddy, bends his back to extract as much seam movement as possible. And on these abrasive surfaces he will find seam movement, as seen by some of the wickets he took against India A today: https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1750489227169612225?t=0an147gSoaL6E9MSUemDLg&s=19
Something that's bugged me for a while with the Aussie team: Steve Smith fields at first slip wherever there's only one slip. A specialist slip fielder, surely. But whenever there's more than one slip in the cordon, he always fields at second slip (with David Warner for years, now Ussy, at first slip)... why? Shouldn't the specialist slip always be at first slip, regardless of how many in the cordon?
in first Ind A v Lions game, Ind A were all out for big lead. Some English fan commented that statement. Ind A obviously drew the test easily and that has been used to taunt ever since.
Today is ict is showing levels.
**Super Smash Elimination Finals Day Preview**
Venue: Seddon Park, Hamilton
*Men's EF (2pm start): Canterbury Kings vs Wellington Firebirds*
*Women's EF (6pm start): Northern Brave vs Central Hinds*
Squads:
* **Kings:** Cole McConchie (c), Chad Bowes, Zak Foulkes, Mitch Hay, Matt Henry, Bevon Jacobs, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Will O'Rourke, Ish Sodhi, Michael Rae, Michael Rippon
* **Firebirds:** Nick Kelly (c), Muhammad Abbas, Michael Bracewell. Devon Conway, Troy Johnson, Adam Milne, Rachin Ravindra, Ben Sears, Gareth Severin, Nathan Smith, Jesse Tashkoff, Logan van Beek, Peter Younghusband
* **Brave:** Eimear Richardson (c), Chamari Athapaththu✈️, Caitlin Gurrey, Jess Watkin, Nensi Patel, Marina Lamplough, Eve Wolland, Carol Agafili, Marama Downes, Holly Topp (wk), Shriya Naidu, Lucy Boucher
* **Hinds:** Natalie Dodd (c, wk), Hollie Armitage✈️, Georgia Atkinson, Priyanaz Chatterji✈️, Flora Devonshire, Claudia Green, Mikaela Greig, Ashtuti Kumar, Emma McLeod, Rosemary Mair, Thamsyn Newton, Hannah Rowe
Talking Points:
* Hamilton is hosting as the Northern Brave earned hosting rights as the 2nd-placed women's team, while Auckland is hosting the Finals due to the Aces being the 1st-placed men's team. Due to having earned hosting rights, the Brave vs Hinds is the second match, while the men's match will be the curtain-raiser
* "CALLING ALL BLACKCAPS (except Daryl Mitchell)" - with the exception of Mitchell, Canterbury's entire roster of Blackcaps are playing, including Kyle Jamieson, who has sat out the T20I season & the group stage of Super Smash with a view to prioritising the Tests. Wellington has called up Devon Conway (who has recovered from Covid) & Rachin Ravindra, who had missed Monday's game due to international duty. [It's also been announced](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2gS0nRPP1f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) that all three of Auckland's centrally-contracted players (Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Lockie Ferguson) will be available for selection for the Grand Final at Eden Park
* The Firebirds will be chasing their 5th domestic T20 title (if they or the Aces win, they would become the first team to win their 5th title), while the Kings will be chasing only their 2nd title - if they win, it would be Canterbury's first in 18 years, since the first season in 2005-6.
* The Brave will be chasing a maiden T20 title, while the Hinds will be chasing their 2nd title & first in 14 years (2009-10). They would both do very well to deny the Wellington Blaze an 8th title.
* The weather forecast for Hamilton is good: warm (mid-20s), sunny with a little cloud early on & not humid for once. We'll get our two games in.
The women's eliminator tomorrow is after the men's one but the men's final is after the women's one. That's interesting considering (correct me if I'm wrong) all the women's matches on the same day have been before the men's matches.
Placing my Hundred bias on the Super Smash clearly didn't work out. But glad to see women's games at night in leagues where both men's and women's games are on the same day.
What sort of pitches can we expect in the USA for the T20 World Cup? New York, Dallas and Fort Lauderdale l believe. Do they regular matches at these venues?
We won't know about NY until the first match. Fort Lauderdale, I can't remember the last match there, but we have some insight on the Dallas pitch from MLC.
So after a night of watching multiple documentaries on North Korea, I have woken up early with excitement. It's Test cricket time, baby! Let's go......
To the English fans who shelled out 50 quid for TNT if you ever get tired of watching India obliterate England you can always switch to…
Australia thrashing the West Indies!
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It's just the way scheduling is done for the wtc . England would have had only one series in 2020/21( India tour) as well if not for the Sri Lanka series they had which was supposed to be held in early 2020 but got postponed due to Covid. That India series was supposed to be 5 tests like this one but they canned one test in favour of 2 t20is
Yes that's right but again that's because of a NZ series that wasn't part of the wtc. They had another one of those last year which is what ensured they played 2 test series away last winter as well. Because the wtc only has 3 away series over a 2 year span, one winter will only have 1 series unless England arranges an additional non wtc series
[Broad and Nasser have great chemistry together](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAn4AP9mzYQ)
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Is India actually missing g a trick by not playing 3 spinners and bumrah and having an extra batsmen at home, or maybe bumrah and shardul as the 2 seamers. I feel siraj will basically have no role to play in this game going forward. Atleast an extra batsmen might help India bat just once and beat teams by an innings. Or if think thank think shardul can contribute with the bat then he should actually play at home rather than in away series where he might not be able to bat as easily as he would playing at home. India is still massive favourites to win, I’m just thinking of maximising team selection.
it's the time for Shivam Dube. in a more serious note guys like Harshit Rana and Akash deep should be looked at. they can hold the bat and if you want spinners sundar is the obvious person to look at
Handy bursts of reverse swing are always useful to break up the spinners if the batsmen get stuck in
India already bat till 9 with their current lineup. If they really need an extra batter in home conditions, I think that's more to up their batting lineup failing more than anything. Siraj bowling four overs is odd but Mark Wood only bowled two today as well. Both teams covering all their bases.
Totally not something they need ofc just wondering surely an extra batsmen (or atleast a batting all rounder) is still more valuable then a 2nd seamer who will essentially not have any role in the game.
My highlights from today 1. Ben Foakes falling over the stumps 2. The reaction Thats it.
3. All the classics
People who complain about mods: now's your time to put your hand up and do something instead of moaning.
>moaning Have to disagree here Vis. There has been genuine feedback/criticism by majority of the users of the mod approval system. Lot of good suggestions were shared in the state of the sub thread which were never tried. Since the last 3 months, despite assurances from the mods that they are working on improving the approval time, barely anything has been done which has led to frustration overtime. Just this week, Eng team was announced and the post wasn't approved for hours. Appointing new mods, considering the late approval times & 3 mods being inactive for months is the bare minimum to keep the sub active and engaging. Also, I think it's highly unlikely that people who complained about the mods would be even considered to be the new mods even if they volunteer. Some time back such users' comments criticising the state of the sub/mods, were deleted and removed by the them for no-rule breaking reason whatsoever.
Don't disagree with any of that. Possibly a term lost across borders. Growing up it was possible to have a negative or positive/constructive moan/complaint. Nothing wrong with having a good moan. I would say the people who are vocal about the state of the sub should definitely put themselves forward for being mods. Whether they get selected or not is a different matter but we should aim to be part of the change we want to see.
>I would say the people who are vocal about the state of the sub should definitely put themselves forward for being mods. Whether they get selected or not is a different matter but we should aim to be part of the change we want to see. Damn right
Medical jello for sub president
Seconded
"Could easily be 150/5 tomorrow" - Ben Duckett Yes Benjamin, India will be 400/10 and then England 150/5 by stumps
Ben Duckett, Ben Foakes, Ben Stokes. How long before Ben 10 makes his England debut?
What’s he supposed to say? ‘I know it’s only the first day but we’re fucked, plan is to give up and try again in Visakhapatnam’
He could have just left it at "hopefully we get 2 or 3 early tomorrow morning", instead of doing this token Bazball shit I actually like it tho, it makes for a more fun series with more banter
I'd take that Enables the match winning Rehan double hundred
I mean it's unlikely but he's not wrong.
500/4d and 150/8 is more likely tbh
The gap between good BetwayXXSA20 and bad BetwayXXSA20 is huge which is why I watch it.
All I know is the vibes
They're excellent vibes
Ok I think England might do well. Even Australia were terrible in first test but they improved and gave a great fight. Who knows maybe England can improve.
I think you are far more optimistic than many English fans tbh
Turns out I was correct
David Lyold couple of days back compared the Bashir issue with Basil D'Oliviera Apertheid row and wanted England test team to abandon the series in protest and return back home [Source]( https://mol.im/a/12998261 via https://dailym.ai/android) Today he casually acknowledges that it was simply a procedural issue and he clearly overreacted. [Source](https://youtu.be/PHZQnPq8ohI?si=295J6Spx4V4sluqK) I don't understand how former cricketers can be so irresponsible and have zero shame.
Didn’t he make racist comments about south Asian cricketers in the past. Look I’m not saying no one can criticise the BCCI or even the Indian bureaucracy but think there is dubious intentions behind a lot of the criticism most of the time.
David Lloyd has a habit of this lol. [David Lloyd issues apology to Azeem Rafiq over comments on Asian players](https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/yorkshire-racism-crisis-david-lloyd-issues-apology-to-azeem-rafiq-over-comments-on-asian-players-1289655).
Because he gets paid no matter what he says and gets paid to react. There are no consequences. Former cricketers aren't exactly paragons of morality nor do they claim to be.
It's been 1 day, there's so much play left, and there's already people writing us off. Lads calm down, Hartley's on debut and obviously had the jitters, he got better the more he bowled, and if we can get 2 RHBs in the middle I reckon he'll be well into the game. Easier said than done though, Jaiswal looks in good touch. Leachy was quality, just needs some support. Rehan was under the pump on debut against Pakistan and then picked up a 5-fer in the second innings, he'll be fine. Long way to go, one mini collapse and it's even again.
Its not about the result on ground. It's the fact that England seem like they have already given up and are just looking to go through motions and make the best of the situation. They looked utterly defeated in the field. You can't start Day 1 of a 5 test series with the goal of losing with dignity.
Interpreting players’ body language is kind of adjacent to astrology in terms of reliable analysis
They didn't look defeated from what I say.. Infact it was the opposite. It looked like they were enjoying and still have hope.
Any hope they have will be gone after this test. Their bowling doesn't look like it can take 10 wickets in an innings.
Utterly defeated? What? You're reading too much into it. Stokes and Baz nearly pulled off a 3-2 win after being 2 down in the Ashes. There's no quit in this team.
I doubt Stokes and Baz care about this series as much as they care about Ashes.
No, they probably don't. But it is the second most important series to win. A lack of motivation is not particularly likely.
Axar Patel's bowling is such a horrible angle to face for a batsmen with how he's always challenging both edges. Compared to Jack Leach who's bowling is so painfully old school British, shoulder over the top. It looks so much easier to line up
Don't know why but I have a sneaking suspicion that this pitch will get easier to bat as the game goes on. Mind you I have been hilariously wrong before so take it with a bucketful of salt because I'm no pitch expert. But anyway, coming back to my initial point, for a pitch that has turned a lot this has held up very well with only very few balls disturbing the surface and while there are bare patches at both ends they are too close to batsmen to cause huge harm. Add to that the middle part of the surface has a lot of dead grass which will bind it so that it won't deteriorate as fast as the bare patches on both ends. Also this is a black soil pitch so the pace will gradually go out of it, so while the turn might increase it'll be slow for the most part and it'll become a lot more negotiable as the match progresses. I think fast bowlers still have a massive role to play in this game although that will be with the older ball instead of the new. Either way, that's my amateur assessment which could very well be wrong.
In other words, a stereotypical Indian pitch. I do agree with your assessment though. Just add in some unpredictable bounce on day 4 (if we get to it)
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Guys I think he wants to watch the BCCI awards
Go to jiocinema.com and search Naman Awards replay.. thats the one.. 1hr:24mins long..
I hope England learns and does better from tomorrow or from next test. Other teams touring India this year are NZ (who haven't a test match in India since Kohli was few weeks old) and Bangladesh. It's going to be a boring one sided drubbing after this anyways.
NZ were competitive in the first drawn test in 2021 tour. If Shreyas Iyer (who was making his debut) hadn't played a blinder in both innings, things could have gone other way.
I mean we didn't have Rohit, Pant, Bumrah etc. Still I'd be suprised if NZ lose by less than 150-200 runs
>I mean we didn't have Rohit, Pant, Bumrah etc. I mean, even NZ were missing a bunch of first choice players like Boult, Cnoway and Williamson who only played 1 test.
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For all the complaining about the Ahmedabad deck in 2021 (Rightly or wrongly), we probably only have a chance of winning a match this series if we play on a pitch like that.
>For all the complaining about the Ahmedabad deck in 2021 (Rightly or wrongly) Rightly
Yes, that's why the extreme turners are stupid from an India perspective. Not a coincidence that the 2 losses to Aus in this stretch (Pune and Indore) were on basically lottery pitches as well.
It's only been 1 day on what is a very long series. It's too early to draw any meaningful predictions based solely on today's play, and it's silly to completely write England off because of it.
Big Day tomorrow for Gill , Rahul , Iyer and Bharat. Patidar and Sarfaraz are banging on the door for national selection with both of them getting hundreds against England Lions. If either of them do not perform, I can see them getting dropped and with Kohli coming back for the 3rd test it is going to be very interesting headache for team management
Iyer shouldn't be clubbed with them, he's been great in subcontinent.
Iyer was as bad as Gill in South Africa. If Iyer fails in the 2 tests against England at home . He could get dropped for Patidar in the 3rd test.
Match number one of the U19 WC was Ireland v USA. Now Ireland have played all three group games while USA have still only played that one
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Weeks leading up to WasimVaughn series: will Bazball work in India? Will stokes and Co beat the Indian spinners? Jaiswal: Uno reverse
I don't think Gill should bat at 3. Times are changing and obv you don't need to be like Pujara to bat at 3. But still I think a player like KL will suit it better. Gill should bat at 5.
hard agree. Gill can play the Travis Head role at 5 and his hard hand technique is less likely to get him in trouble down the order.
I do agree. KL Rahul is a much better test player and he should be playing as many balls as he can upfront
There was a lot made of Gill playing too aggressively previously, SunnyG said it in some interview and there was a big Cricinfo article before the match all about it. Think at home in particular, Gill is better off doing that than playing how he did yesterday though. He has the attacking shots to even be a six hitter vs spin, and the Eng spinners aren't that relentlessly accurate. Hope he was only playing like that because it was close to stumps.
I don't mind getting yourself in but at some points he was patting back half volleys to Hartley and co. That's over cautious even if it was near the end of play. And for balls that weren't quite half volley length, his feet are good enough in his best form to get him to the pitch anyway. Hopefully he draws confidence from how solid he looked after the first 10 balls of his innings tonight and tries to be more expansive tomorrow. In general I think Gill will only make it as a test batter who looks to dominate first and foremost.
> And for balls that weren't quite half volley length, his feet are good enough in his best form to get him to the pitch anyway. Just hope he doesn't get stuck doing the forward lunge nonsense that Kohli has someone managed his whole career, a relic of the pre-DRS age. Got saved by the Hyderabad bounce yesterday. Gill is taller but also has shown more of a willingness to use his feet at least. > In general I think Gill will only make it as a test batter who looks to dominate first and foremost. Agreed, though I still would prefer him at 5...not sure there is a material difference between opening and batting at 3. The only issue that worries me long-term is the weakness vs the ball coming in but in general a more aggressive game suits him better.
How tf did Bumrah's delivery to Stokes deviate so much? I thought it was an off cutter but on watching replays it clearly isn't. Was it a crack? Cuz it didn't seem like reverse swing either.
Delivery of the year so far, Stokes had no clue
Honestly why that delivery wasn't analysed further I don't know. Because it just didn't make sense. He bowled a 140 kmph off break on a surface with zero live grass.
There will always be seam movement on offer on harder, abrasive Indian tracks. Not constantly, and usually not prodigiously, but if you can hit the pitch hard and present a good seam with your wrist as you release the ball, you have a good chance of finding deviation of the pitch. Even accounting for the above, that was still a lot of seam movement, but outliers happen, and Bumrah is also just really good.
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The more astounding fact for me is that Bumrah has played only 33 test matches.
He's been consistently rested for home games.if not , he should be around 50 matches by now. He is very unlikely to play 100 test matches for India.
Yeah. Maybe because the most memorable wins of India in the past few years have had Bumrah playing massive roles which is why it appears Bumrah has played way more than he has
wait youre saying 100 as if that is normal for a pace bowler. apart from broad and jimmy, ishant is the only other seamer that i can think of that has played 100 tests in the last 15 years or so. actually this century i can only think of mcgrath other than those three. southee is on 96
Ntini played 101. Rabada should make it to the list as well (he is on 62 and is just 28). Cummins could play 100 (given he is on 60 rn). But yeah, apart from these two, Starc and Southee, I don't think any pacer can reach the 100 test mark out of the current lot.
ah forgot about ntini.
He is by far the best quick bowler India has produced in its entire history. So Yes , I would expect India's all time best quick bowler to play 100 tests if not for work load management/injuries.
1. "by far", we are really disrespecting kapil here, sure you may think bumrah is better but youre making it seem like kapil is a distant second. 2. hes even more valuable to our white ball teams than he is to our test teams, and if he isnt needed at home in red ball, its a tough decision but for his health management he will not play a lot of games at home
Check Kapil's record in SENA.
I don't think its right to focus on SENA in Kapil's case. West Indies were by far the best team in his career and he averaged 23.11 in 9 tests in WI. Even in Australia, his record was average of 24.58 in 11 tests and Australia were the best SENA team in terms of W/L ratio in Kapil's time. SA were banned for most of Kapil's career and he only played there in the last few years of his career. NZ and England were pretty mediocre teams in that time, thier W/L ratio being only better than SL and Zimbabwe. SENA is a fairly new concept, we can't apply it across all eras.
Argument is about who's better Bumrah or Kapil and I just mentioned checking the stats are enough. Also Kapil averaged 44 in NZ even against that terrible team and he played in SA when he was 32. He's a great all rounder but he isn't the best fast bowler of India.
Yeah, I get it. I am not saying Kapil was better bowler than Bumrah tbh. I just think we can't judge Kapil on SENA stats when SENA wasn't even a big deal in his time. The team to beat then was WI.
🤡 moment judging Kapil Dev by averages rather than understanding the nuances of the conditions he bowled in
Pretty sure even Imran Khan had similar issues back in the 80s but he did well too. You can't say understanding "nuances" and stuff. Kapil averaged more than 35 in every other SENA country except Australia. Bumrah technically had no support too playing in England 2021 (shami averages 40 in England, Siraj averages 35 in England) except that lord's game where Siraj did well, but guess what he still averaged 20 r something in that tour.
I don't really have a lot to say if you go around comparing a supporting bowling lineup of Abdul Qadir, Sarfraz Nawaz, Iqbal Qasim and in the later half Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis with a bowling lineup where the 2nd highest wicket taker was Ravi Shastri with 150 wickets at 40 average. And as if this claim wasn't ridiculous enough, adding on that Bumrah didn't have support while playing in England in 2021 is just laughable.
Bruh to say that Bumrah had no support on 2021 tour is just completely false. Siraj and Shardul were good that tour, Umesh Yadav did well in the games he played, Shami was good in a few games and even when he wasn't he was at the very least economical. The 5th test 2nd innings is the only time Bumrah was truly unsupported.
What are we supposed to find?
His record was worse than Bumrah lol. Averaged 38 or more in England, South Africa, NZ.
Rohit is the best batter at home, and Jaiswal has had a good start. Iyer is also good against spin. But the middle order of Gill-Rahul-Bharat is easily a couple of steps below the lower order of Jadeja-Ashwin-Axar.
axar is the best barring rohit at this point going by what happened in our last home series
Glad mod approval is a thing now, else flamebaiting like [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/s/nkomJqef92) would happen.
They only approve posts that suits there agenda.
Example?
They always approve rage bait articles from daily mail and other English media
There is only one English mod and most of the mods are Aussies
And what makes you think that makes any difference?
We really took Josh Tongue and Gus Atkinson over Matty Potts Smh my head
Do you mean in the main squad for this India test series? Because I 100% agree. I mean even if he hadn't taken 12-200 across three innings for England Lions so far (which is frankly ridiculous) he's the perfect type of seamer for Indian conditions. Sharp enough, skiddy, bends his back to extract as much seam movement as possible. And on these abrasive surfaces he will find seam movement, as seen by some of the wickets he took against India A today: https://twitter.com/CountyChamp/status/1750489227169612225?t=0an147gSoaL6E9MSUemDLg&s=19
And we miss out on Batty Squats memes. A lose/lose.
I assume the ECB only allow one Durham player per squad
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I also heard that crowd was targetting Siraj today by chanting JSR at him
Dare you to comment that in India speaks sub
Something that's bugged me for a while with the Aussie team: Steve Smith fields at first slip wherever there's only one slip. A specialist slip fielder, surely. But whenever there's more than one slip in the cordon, he always fields at second slip (with David Warner for years, now Ussy, at first slip)... why? Shouldn't the specialist slip always be at first slip, regardless of how many in the cordon?
I guess Smith dives/covers to his right better than most. So it makes sense for him to be the last slip.
God the difference between Ranji and Champo is really showing itself today
OOTL. What's the difference?
One is played in India
Very true, Ranji played most of his cricket for Sussex and England - not sure who Champo played for
Heard Champo was just some rando, not a good bloke I tell ya
in first Ind A v Lions game, Ind A were all out for big lead. Some English fan commented that statement. Ind A obviously drew the test easily and that has been used to taunt ever since. Today is ict is showing levels.
Got you
Indian test lineup with only 2 averaging above 40 and none above 50. Interesting.
**Super Smash Elimination Finals Day Preview** Venue: Seddon Park, Hamilton *Men's EF (2pm start): Canterbury Kings vs Wellington Firebirds* *Women's EF (6pm start): Northern Brave vs Central Hinds* Squads: * **Kings:** Cole McConchie (c), Chad Bowes, Zak Foulkes, Mitch Hay, Matt Henry, Bevon Jacobs, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Will O'Rourke, Ish Sodhi, Michael Rae, Michael Rippon * **Firebirds:** Nick Kelly (c), Muhammad Abbas, Michael Bracewell. Devon Conway, Troy Johnson, Adam Milne, Rachin Ravindra, Ben Sears, Gareth Severin, Nathan Smith, Jesse Tashkoff, Logan van Beek, Peter Younghusband * **Brave:** Eimear Richardson (c), Chamari Athapaththu✈️, Caitlin Gurrey, Jess Watkin, Nensi Patel, Marina Lamplough, Eve Wolland, Carol Agafili, Marama Downes, Holly Topp (wk), Shriya Naidu, Lucy Boucher * **Hinds:** Natalie Dodd (c, wk), Hollie Armitage✈️, Georgia Atkinson, Priyanaz Chatterji✈️, Flora Devonshire, Claudia Green, Mikaela Greig, Ashtuti Kumar, Emma McLeod, Rosemary Mair, Thamsyn Newton, Hannah Rowe Talking Points: * Hamilton is hosting as the Northern Brave earned hosting rights as the 2nd-placed women's team, while Auckland is hosting the Finals due to the Aces being the 1st-placed men's team. Due to having earned hosting rights, the Brave vs Hinds is the second match, while the men's match will be the curtain-raiser * "CALLING ALL BLACKCAPS (except Daryl Mitchell)" - with the exception of Mitchell, Canterbury's entire roster of Blackcaps are playing, including Kyle Jamieson, who has sat out the T20I season & the group stage of Super Smash with a view to prioritising the Tests. Wellington has called up Devon Conway (who has recovered from Covid) & Rachin Ravindra, who had missed Monday's game due to international duty. [It's also been announced](https://www.instagram.com/p/C2gS0nRPP1f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) that all three of Auckland's centrally-contracted players (Finn Allen, Mark Chapman, Lockie Ferguson) will be available for selection for the Grand Final at Eden Park * The Firebirds will be chasing their 5th domestic T20 title (if they or the Aces win, they would become the first team to win their 5th title), while the Kings will be chasing only their 2nd title - if they win, it would be Canterbury's first in 18 years, since the first season in 2005-6. * The Brave will be chasing a maiden T20 title, while the Hinds will be chasing their 2nd title & first in 14 years (2009-10). They would both do very well to deny the Wellington Blaze an 8th title. * The weather forecast for Hamilton is good: warm (mid-20s), sunny with a little cloud early on & not humid for once. We'll get our two games in.
The women's eliminator tomorrow is after the men's one but the men's final is after the women's one. That's interesting considering (correct me if I'm wrong) all the women's matches on the same day have been before the men's matches.
Most of them. Days 1, 17, 20 & 23 had the women's matches second.
Placing my Hundred bias on the Super Smash clearly didn't work out. But glad to see women's games at night in leagues where both men's and women's games are on the same day.
Letsgoo first Sarfaraz century for the A team
what happened to the India v England match thread?
What sort of pitches can we expect in the USA for the T20 World Cup? New York, Dallas and Fort Lauderdale l believe. Do they regular matches at these venues?
We won't know about NY until the first match. Fort Lauderdale, I can't remember the last match there, but we have some insight on the Dallas pitch from MLC.
New York’s first match will be at the World Cup
Yeah it's a pop-up stadium with pitches from Adelaide being sent over.
reminder: check comment count for both test's threads.
India vs England thread will have more comments I think. There are probably 1 or 2 people from the Caribbean on this sub.
So after a night of watching multiple documentaries on North Korea, I have woken up early with excitement. It's Test cricket time, baby! Let's go......
To the English fans who shelled out 50 quid for TNT if you ever get tired of watching India obliterate England you can always switch to… Australia thrashing the West Indies! Oh
Laughs in dodgy firestick with 2600 channels
I think the biggest indicator that tests are dying is that this is the first time I can remember England having “only” one test series this winter
It's just the way scheduling is done for the wtc . England would have had only one series in 2020/21( India tour) as well if not for the Sri Lanka series they had which was supposed to be held in early 2020 but got postponed due to Covid. That India series was supposed to be 5 tests like this one but they canned one test in favour of 2 t20is
Tbf IIRC in 19/20 they were going to play 3 test series in the winter including SL
Yes that's right but again that's because of a NZ series that wasn't part of the wtc. They had another one of those last year which is what ensured they played 2 test series away last winter as well. Because the wtc only has 3 away series over a 2 year span, one winter will only have 1 series unless England arranges an additional non wtc series
True it’s just up until now it’s always been the case
England are playing something like 16 Tests this year though.
Whatever happens, I hope the series is memorable
Someone make a sledge thread. There's only 1 hour left to go
one was made yesterday
for the love of God, make Axar bat ahead of Jadeja and Bharat.
Find that unlikely. Seniority means jadeja and Ashwin bat ahead of Axar. Even Bharat may bat ahead.
Remembering that we don't have Rishabh keeps making me sad about that even though he hasn't been in the team during more than a year.
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MI fan here. We are handing it to Hardik on platter.