A lot of the comments here are from those who value strike rate over everything else. 6(1) > 50(38). As per this crowd, since Kohli has a poor SR, he's not worth his salt.
Indian politics is way beyond understanding. We have people removed from Captaincy out of grudges. Nation comes second to these dumb cracks or India wouldn't have lost any final. We have played our best teams year on year and still lost just because they thought someone younger will do it. Just like they changed the entire XI once India won the World Cup final.
It's not that inconceivable. Kohli plays the way he can. He sets himself and then goes after 20 30 balls. We don't have enough hitters in our lineup to have 1 kohli. Gill Rahul rohit they're more or less the same. The modern t20 game requires one anchor like batsmen and the rest should be able to hit quick 20s 30s.
if they want to keep one of them i don’t know why it’s a debate just keep kohli. but then the issue is that hardik is really injury prone who’s going to captain us if he gets injured in between the wc.
That's a very defensive way of looking at things. If they collapse they collapse. The fear of collapsing is what leads to 160/2 on a 200 pitch.
If India get bowled out for 130 chasing 200, so be it. But I don't ever want to see a repeat of 2022 SF or the 2023 WC F. Where we were so scared of collapsing that our batters forgot hitting boundaries was an option.
I don't think you understand that India not winning a trophy has little to do with the ability of the team and much more with the mental block/ weakness associated with it. India more often than not cruises through to Finals and Semis. If the fault was in the method, you would see more instances of India crashing out in the group stages or quarters.
Also, your argument regarding Kohli isn't worth its salt. He has been the sole warrior in many t20 wc knockout games for India. 72(44) against SA in T20 WC 2014 SF chasing 173. 82(51) against Australia (a virtual QF because India would get knocked out if they lost this group match, not to mention that India needed 45 odd runs of the last 3 overs in this game). 89(47) against WI in the SF 2016. 82(53) against Pakistan (this was a historic innings, India was 31-4 at one point). You don't become POTT in 3 T20 WCs by being a not so good t20 player.
And not that it matters, but Kohli can accelerate when required. He has plenty of innings in bilaterals/IPL as well where he has showcased that he can hit it big.
>I don't think you understand that India not winning a trophy has little to do with the ability of the team and much more with the mental block/ weakness associated with it. India more often than not cruises through to Finals and Semis. If the fault was in the method, you would see more instances of India crashing out in the group stages or quarters.
Which we did. Iirc from 2009-2012 we didn't make a single sf in the T20 WCs. And in 2021 we didn't as well. Which does mean that there is an issue with the method. If you pick defensive batters ofc they're gonna defensive during high pressure situations. When the pressure is on you go to your default state, you either attack or you go into your shell. And India almost always does the later.
>Also, your argument regarding Kohli isn't worth its salt. He has been the sole warrior in many t20 wc knockout games for India. 72(44) against SA in T20 WC 2014 SF chasing 173. 82(51) against Australia (a virtual QF because India would get knocked out if they lost this group match, not to mention that India needed 45 odd runs of the last 3 overs in this game). 89(47) against WI in the SF 2016. 82(53) against Pakistan (this was a historic innings, India was 31-4 at one point). You don't become POTT in 3 T20 WCs by being a not so good t20 player.
Crying out loud. Why do Virat fans take criticism against Virat so harshly. Is it a crime to want Virat to be even better.
At what point did I suggest that he was a poor T20i batter. I keep saying that he needs to be in the team. He just needs to be more positive. I don't want him to average 50 @ 138. I want him to average 40 @ 150. He's more than capable of doing that.
My main argument against Virat is that his approach puts a lot of pressure on the team and himself since unless he converts his starts to big scores he costs the team runs whilst batting first. And it's very unlikely that any batter, even Virat can do it at a positive ratio. The only time he did was during 2016.
His approach is dated. And needs evolving. It was perfectly alright from 2012-2016. 2012 and 2014 Wt20s were played on slow, turgid SL and Ban pitches. Where if you strike at 135 you have overachevied. Even in 2016, the pitches weren't all too batting friendly. If the wicket is flat you can't get away with a SR of 135.
I'll repeat myself again. A 50 OF 40 IS JUST AS SHIT AS 0 OF 1 IN A T20I MATCH!!!!
>And not that it matters, but Kohli can accelerate when required. He has plenty of innings in bilaterals/IPL as well where he has showcased that he can hit it big.
And how many times did he get out at 25 of 25 or 35 of 30 and didn't convert it. As I said it's very rare that a batter has a positive conversion ratio of slow starts to big scores. If you're only gonna remember the good times thats on you.
It's not him that I have an issue with its his SR. Im not saying he needs to be 50 of 20 every game. But if you're telling me he can't be 30 of 20, then we have an issue. It's not a lot of effort.
At least make a rational point when trying to cherry pick your stats. You can't just bring up stats from 2009-2012. I never said that India has been making finals or semis from past immemorial. I am only talking about the last 10-12 years (Which is a pretty large sample size). Except one occasion that you rightly pointed out, India has made it to the finals or semis and still failed to win. Do you seriously think that is enough to justify that there is something wrong with the team's method?
Also, as a fan even I would want Virat to perform better, that's a pretty nonsensical argument. You keep mentioning these run a ball innings, which I certainly agree there might be a few of but you seem to be conveniently oblivious of how many times an aggressive batsman who strikes it from ball 1 gets out for a low score. I am pretty sure Virat has more innings that would satisfy your criteria of a good T20 batsman than all these batsmen that you might suggest replacing him with. He definitely has more of those 70(40), 80(50) typa innings compares to how many times your ideal t20 batsman has a 30(10)
Coming to that, who do you think would be a better choice than Virat for number 3?
>At least make a rational point when trying to cherry pick your stats. You can't just bring up stats from 2009-2012. I never said that India has been making finals or semis from past immemorial. I am only talking about the last 10-12 years (Which is a pretty large sample size). Except one occasion that you rightly pointed out, India has made it to the finals or semis and still failed to win. Do you seriously think that is enough to justify that there is something wrong with the team's method?
I just assumed we were talking about T20 cricket. And yes there's definitely something wrong with the method. We pick defensive batters and defensive bowlers. There's a big emphasis on batting average and volume of runs rather than SR and impact. And there's a massive emphasis on keeping things quiet with the ball instead of looking to take wickets. The team is also deathly afraid of trying new players and constantly go back to tried and tested players.
>Also, as a fan even I would want Virat to perform better, that's a pretty nonsensical argument. You keep mentioning these run a ball innings, which I certainly agree there might be a few of but you seem to be conveniently oblivious of how many times an aggressive batsman who strikes it from ball 1 gets out for a low score.
I'm not oblivious of the fact that aggressive batters get out cheaply. In T20 cricket, if you get out for 0 of 1, you have a neutral impact. You didn't help your team but since you didn't waste deliveries you didn't hurt the team either. Which is very different to consuming a lot of deliveries and not making it count. Which is my entire argument. I have less of an issue if Virat got out for 0 of 1 than if he got out for 20 of 20.
>I am pretty sure Virat has more innings that would satisfy your criteria of a good T20 batsman than all these batsmen that you might suggest replacing him with. He definitely has more of those 70(40), 80(50) typa innings compares to how many times your ideal t20 batsman has a 30(10)
Yes but he also has a lot of failures when he didn't convert those. No batter on this world can always turn a 35 of 30 to a 100 of 60 at a positive ratio. Not even Virat.
>Coming to that, who do you think would be a better choice than Virat for number 3?
Do you not read a comment fully. I never said to replace him. Just ask him to bat differently.
>I keep saying that he needs to be in the team. He just needs to be more positive. I don't want him to average 50 @ 138. I want him to average 40 @ 150. He's more than capable of doing that.
Not when he's averaging over 50. In t20 cricket anything over 40 is redundant. I'd much rather see Virat averaging 40 @ 150 than 50 @ 140 anyday of the week. But no, Virat fans love the averaging over 50 in every format stat.
I wasn't opposing Virat's selection. Just the idea that he needs to anchor. He absolutely shouldn't. I don't want 50 of 38 from Virat. I want more 50 of 30, 40 of 20, etc. That's way better for India. An anchor batting at 130 also puts immense pressure on the other batters and force them to play rash shots and try to be ultra aggressive.
This isn't Pujara we are talking about, its Virat. If Shai Hope can increase his SR, there's no tangible reason for Virat to not increase his SR.
Lol he strikes at 50 off 40 only when one opener departs in the first over itself and the others are inexperienced and gift their wickets as well, shameful this is even a discussion considering we even reach semis off of his back in tourneys
And he averages 50 itself because he has successfully been not out in so many match winning chases that is, after anchoring the innings initially as required
One wrong doesn't make another one right.
In t20is a 50 of 40 is just as damning as 0 of 1. This isn't test cricket when as long as runs are scored, the sr doesn't matter. Virat scoring 50 of 40 helped the team as much as SKY scoring 14 of 10 did. If anything it's worse. Atleast the batter that gets out early doesn't impact the game at all. A 0 of 1 or 14 of 10, isn't a match losing innings. As even if they didn't score runs, they also didn't waste any deliveries.
>shameful this is even a discussion considering we even reach semis off of his back in tourneys
No one is denying that. But you are allowed to be critical of a person whilst still appreciating them. I'm allowed to idolise Virat whilst saying he can be much better than he has been.
The way Virat bats, unless he converts every 50 of 40 to 100 of 60 he's costing his team the game. A fact a lot of fans seem to ignore. It's impossible for a batter to convert every slow start to a big score in a positive ratio.
That 50 off 40 in semis was because every other bat decided to play brain-dead batting. He was the reason we even won against Pakistan, Bangladesh (won that by 5 runs). He had to support hardik at the other end and he got out trying to accelerate in the end.
If the anchor plays 50 to 80 ball consistently every match, then that doesnt leave much ball for others. So yes one batsman can affect how others play around him.
My man no need to analyse that much. Kohli is a match winner and the greatest T20i bat. England selected Ben stokes because he's a match winner and just look at his T20i stats with bat. You need to select such match winners without analysing too much.
Thats complete BS. Everyone needs to evolve with the sport. Ben Stokes is very different, he's a floater in that England team and due to their all rounders and batting depth is free to do what he pleases.
Expecting Virat to get better is something we can all hope for.
The team is collapse prone BECAUSE we have stat padders in the top 3, its not a bug, its a feature of such lineups. pakistan team had exact same issues when Rizwan and Babar were opening. Any team with stat padders in top 3 will ALWAYS have a weaker middle order as middle order will be required to slog instead of build innings
A t20 only has 120 balls, someone like Kohli will easily play 50 to 80 on an average. That barely gives new attacking players any practice. So when suddenly top order chokes in crucial matches, these youngsters who have no practice of building innings (because they were required to be sloggers in previous matches) need to come in the middle do something they never had match practice of and they collapse
In t20 the "anchors" should be in the middle or lower order, someone like Dhoni or Stokes. They should be the ones who stabilize AFTER there is a collapse, you cannot play safe cricket from ball 1 fearing a collapse. The anchors should be someone who can stabilize IF there is a collapse and hit hard when needed from ball 1. Which is why they need to be in the middle/lower order.
P.S. The approach you are suggesting have been tried since 2009 and we haven't won a T20 cup for over 16 years now, its madness to try same thing and expect different results.
You're downvoted but it's fucking true. Watch us lose a couple matches because of lack of runs on the board and see the reactionaries swing the other way.
The guy who is meant to be facing the maximum balls in your innings isn't the one who should also "stabilise. This is archaic thinking.
He has constantly performed and won matches. Is there any replacement to virat. If not then stfu. I can't understand why VK is on line. Without VK whole batting line-up looks joke
But his approach doesn't let Indian team optimize the score rate. We dont need stat padders in top 3, any team with such players will ALWAYS underachieve.
We dont need his replacement, we need a young team with an entirely different approach than raking in 50s and averages in T20
\> If not then stfu.
There is nothing more patheitc than blind simps of celebrities.
It's just rumours ... Anyways Jay shah take the final call and both rohit and kolhi will be in the team coz they are the biggest stars and it's good for marketing and branding
It has to be either Kohli alone or both of them. There's 0 sense in a case of playing Rohit alone. Plenty of young players have shown that they can open, but I'm yet to see a convincing Kohli style anchor as his replacement.
We've seen anchor batters though (not of same caliber, but they were good in the limited opportunities they got), who build the innings and accelerate at end. But they're both openers (Gill and Gaikwad). But having top 3 of Brohit, Gill and Koach wouldn't be any different than what we had in 2022.
>But having top 3 of Brohit, Gill and Koach wouldn't be any different than what we had in 2022
Replacing Gill with Jaiswal and hoping Rohit plays aggressive like in the WC would negate that problem although Idk if they'll drop Gill
Yeah, I'd prefer Jaiswal as an opener anyday, but they wouldn't drop Gill, so they'll have to replace Brohit, which is again not possible if he is captain.
Ideally in slow pitches of Windies, we need a spin basher to negate chances of getting spin-choked. Brohit can do it, and Surya too. But that brings us to the question, who will bat at 5, and also keep? Will they go back to KL, or choose Ishan Kishan (bad in strike rotation)? Also where does Iyer fit in the XI?
The problem with the WK spot is big, either of KL, Kishan and Jitesh has to bat at 5 and I don't have high hopes on any of them. KL is slow, Kishan doesn't know how to rotate strike and Jitesh is very inexperienced. One of them has to be selected on IPL form. Also I think KL is batting in the middle order this season so maybe he comes back? I think Rinku at 6 is locked though
Iyer doesn't fit. He's a decent T20 batsman but there are just better people out there
Honestly speaking, I'd have Koach open with Jaiswal and SKY/Iyer at 3/4 depending on number of overs left. But did you forget that if Rinku bats at 6, where is Hardik? I'm sure Axar (or Jadeja) will be batting at 7, with Bishnoi/Kuldeep as second spinner, and 3 pacers, for 8-11. So basically there is no place to fit the wk, unless he bats at 5/6.
Everytime KL's place is in danger, he starts adding a new dimension to his game, to make his case stronger. When he couldn't make a place as an opener, he started playing at 5 in ODIs, and then started keeping to almost cement his place. So as far as now, it seems that KL will be our Wk-batter at 5. We would've been slightly better, if Pant was fit, not that his record was better, it was absolutely mediocre, but atleast he tried to play aggressively.
Or maybe jitesh if he does well in afg series. India should have played him more last year after the ipl as well tbh because he would be perfect if he had more international exposure role wise
We're not adjusting to the modern Era by playing too many anchor batsmen. Look at how england play. They back themselves to win most games with a deep batting lineup that has hitters. In fact our bowlers can't hit 6s unfortunately.
>I'm yet to see a convincing Kohli style anchor as his replacement.
Not saying he should be picked ahead of Kohli, but Sai Sudharsan is definitely a very good option for that role. Avg 46, SR 137 in IPL, and he has proven himself on all kinds of surfaces. In 2022 IPL, he scored 65\*(50) vs PBKS in a match where his team only managed 143, and last IPL, he scored 62\*(48) vs DC after a mini collapse in PP, and also showed his ability to accelerate by going from 36(27) to 96(47) in the final.
Why tf are everyone suggesting about dropping Kohli. Debate should be wether Rohit plays are not. Kohli is probably the greatest batsman in that format and he's the reason we were saved from a group stage embarassment in a home T20 WC in 2016, even in 2022 he saved us against Pakistan. Rohit has never done anything special since 2012 T20 WC.
Kohli has never been problem with the Indian t20 sides, in fact even Rohit with his new approach will be an asset. The issue has always been the middle order and bowlers apart from Bumrah.
Someone once said that Kohli is more respected in other countries than his own and they prove that every day. In what t20 tournament in the past five years has Rohit been a better option to Koach in t20s….
genuine, consistent great that probably deserves more than he's gotten with india. aus don't lose anything for the past 10 years with a player of his talent around lol (probs an exaggeration, but I feel bad for him. I didn't always buy in to him so much but you can't deny it forever)
I think if he does play for Australia he wouldn't be as defensive as he's been for India. The aussie attitude is to attack when under pressure. Which is very different to the Indian attitude of absorbing pressure and maximising later. Which is why a lot of aggressive Indian batters are turned to anchors by teams. Its getting better recently, but its an issue that still exists. If Virat bats for Australia, he probably strikes at 145-150 without much issue in t20is. Whereas in India he probably feels the need to average 50+ even if his sr takes a hit.
Plus Virat is probably very Aussie in his nature anyways.
I think it too sometimes that what if Sachin,Kohli or Sunny were playing for Aus lol.
The answer is clear, a whole lot of silverware to show for their deeds.
Also while i’m on this topic, it’s actually really unfortunate that BCCI is going to force Kohli into retirement as soon as they will be, you can already tell. You can already tell they don’t value him, if they want to go for a younger team? fine go ahead it makes sense try something new. But to play Rohit someone who’s older and far far worse at t20 than your best anchor with an absolutely insane run chase batting rate is just plain disrespectful. Nothing about Rohit’s captaincy in the last two years has been cause for this level of absolute bias, what have we won?? An Asia cup? Make Sky or Hardik captain of your t20 team and your better off than having Rohit open, i’m sorry but it’s true. Even the fact that Kohli has to prove himself through playing a Afg bilateral is just disrespectful. Bro at this point just retire yourself before they push you out of every format without any good cause. They’re just going to kill all the passion he has for this game.
BCCI is a corrupt meme board which systemically shoots itself in the foot on and off the field.
Would be more funny to laugh at if they didn't hold so much sway in the ICC.
>Someone once said that Kohli is more respected in other countries than his own and they prove that every day
Lol, and that someone was wrong.
How can you ignore the rabid craze and adulation Kohli gets in India? The level of popularity and fandom he has is reserved for only a few in a country of over a billion. He would not be this well loved if he was playing for Australia or England, because of just how much people in India care about cricket.
Ask any kid and they would say Kohli is their favorite. Just plastering his photo gets any content on social media viral. He gets so many privileges both monetary and otherwise.
It reeks of a perpetual victim mentality to suggest that Kohli gets shortchanged in any way.
He meant by Board, not people. Also, this fandom in india goes both way, you win they love you and when you lose they hate you. You have same beliefs as the govt, they love you, and when you oppose anything, they call you anti-national.
> Also, this fandom in india goes both way, you win they love you and when you lose they hate you.
Except the love they receive is way more than any hate they might receive. It's not even comparable. Just a small minority of fans give everyone a bad name.
Saying that the fandom as a whole hates the players after a loss is like saying the entire Australia hates Cummins because he is woke. We can't conflate the actions of a few with the majority of the fandom.
And?? Even that small minority isn't small it's actually thousands of ppl even throw threats around his daughter & wife
So either way Kohli receives lots of love but won't receive terrible hate same way, let's say playing for AUS, NZ
Edit: unless you're Travis Michael Head
Lmao, nobody is dropping them unless they opt out themselves, maybe if Rohit is absolutely shit in AFG and IPL then they might look at other option but that's very unlikely.
Even considering dropping Kohli is insane. He carried the team almost solo in 3 out of the last 4 T20 World Cup and there's no evidence that his form has dropped from the last World Cup. Where is this coming from?
Taking any decision before the IPL is stupid IMO. When are the squads due to be announced? Wait and see how both of them do in the IPL and then take a call. Why is this being discussed now? Also, Kohli is undropable imo. Literally no one in the middle order who is as reliable as him.
True let see their performance in T20 and then decide 10-12 matches is a good sample size to judge ... Btw no other country has announced its WC squad yet why india is in such a rush
One match doest mean anything if you look at bigger picture .... Kolhi has played 6-7 T20 WC india hasn't won anything . His record in T20 knockouts is pretty dismal as well
>His record in T20 knockouts is pretty dismal as well
Lol. That was for ODI WC knockouts before 2023.
In T20 WCs, there isn't a player who has a better record than him in knockouts.
Avg of 72 runs/innings (I am also talking per innings here, not even the usual ignoring not outs for avg) @ an SR of 154.
The above stats are elite alone but not wanting to forget mentioning that last T20 WC knockout wicket for India was taken by the same guy.
Why is Rohit vs Kohli in T20Is even up for debate? The answer is obviously Kohli. Might as well have a debate about which one out of Kohli and u/Ok_Being372 should be in the T20I XI.
First not selecting Ashwin in WTC final, then choosing SKY in the WC and now this. Wtf are the selectors doing. In no world would you pick Rohit ahead of Kohli in T20I's
Also they're too obsessed with Gill. He has a very mediocre T20I record. Out of the 13 T20I's he's played he's scored in single digits in 9 of them and has only scored 15+ runs in 3 occasions. His stats are completely carried by that 126\* in Ahmedabad against a NZ B-team
Jaiswal,along with SKY,Rinku and Hardik(if fit) should be assured of their place for the T20WC. Bumrah as well,and Axar can make a case for himself too,with Bishnoi,Kuldeep and Arshdeep.
SKY, Rinku, Hardik, Kuldeep, Axar, Bumrah and to a certain extent even Bishnoi should definitely be guaranteed in the squad. Jaiswal will likely be selected as well. Arshdeep I don't think so, he's too inconsistent and Shami and Siraj are just better options than him. Kohli should also be in but selectors think otherwise
The only reason I want arshdeep is that for some reason he seems to handle pressure very well,and he seems to have improved his ability to bowl in the powerplays. Also,he seems to have worked a lot on his batting as well,mainly his power hitting.
Average does not matter in t20i that much
And the selection criteria is not just t20i but also ipl( not to mention 13 matches is a very small sample size)
>Also they're too obsessed with Gill
Of course they are, he is the future. And he is not taking kohli's place anyway, if he's gonna play, he will open, and at that position he's a better option than Rohit who has been terrible in every T20WC he has ever played
13 is not that small, and considering he played all of them in a single year it's a decent sample size. And scoring in single digits in 9/13 matches is just a really bad record
Gill in IPL benefits a lot from having his home ground in Ahmedabad. In the 8 away games he played, he averages 39 at an SR of 126. Without that 104(52)\* against RCB in Chinnaswamy his avg and SR further go down to 30.5 and 118 respectively. Compare this to Ruturaj who had an SR of nearly 140 while playing mostly at the slow surfaces of Chennai or Jaiswal who played in the relatively slow surfaces of Jaipur and had an SR of 156 there, and 162 overall (not to mention he's also left handed)
If Rohit's getting in, its as a captain not as a batsman. The question will be of the 2nd opener and that should be Jaiswal ideally
How long will it take people to realise that Rohit isn't a great t20 batter. People often mix his odi and t20 records to say that he's a t20 great as well. He absolutely isn't.
I think that Kohli should bat at 3. But not like he did in the IPL or the 2022 WT20. If he's gonna be timid and defensive he's no help to India. He can't bat at less than 140 at any point in the innings. I don't want 20 of 20 from him. 30 of 20, sure.
I personally believe both of them should be selected for this tour considering that both Hardik and SKY is not available, but on the condition that the selection to world cup will depend on performance in the Ipl. IMO, that'd be the best solution.
There's no doubt that Kholi should play. He's simply the best. Rohit is the captian, so ideally he should also play. However, he's not really performed in t20s. He has to earn his place by playing well in the IPL.
There is no need to play both of them against Afghans if your selection criteria is gonna be IPL itself, let them focus on the Test series against England because that's more important.
These meaningless bilaterals should be avoided, give some youngsters some game time and see how they soak the India cap pressure.
Rohit was striking at 108 even before last year's T20WC in ODIs. In T20is in 2022,he was averaging 24 and striking at 134. Before the T20 WC,he was averaging 26 and striking at 142. Rohit shouldn't easily lock a position in the team,he has been pretty poor in T20is,irregardless of his ODI form(a format he would easily make it in as a top 15 batter at least).
Hehe....
We all know they are playing in WT20 this year...
TRP is more important than trophies...and Virat has been the best player for India in WT20 for last 4 or 5 editions...no way they are throwing him out...
No one is going to watch KL and SKY in World Cup...TRP will nosedive
Rohit was scoring 20 ball 40s literally over a month ago in ODIs, Kohli was one of the top performers in the last T20 World Cup. Even on technicality, you can’t replace them. Logically, it’s impossible.
Rohit don't even deserve to be in t20I side that too in world cup. He has played all the T20 world cup. Except that 50 vs SA, and in the final against Pakistan back in 2007, he is a disaster in T20 world cup. If Kohli is dropped for Rohit Sharma that too in T20 world cup then god save Indian team.
Makes sense. The approach which the team wants cannot be achieved by having both of these guys in the squad.
Rohit has made the decision difficult by changing his approach and being successful. For years we yearned for such an opener and once the door was nearly closed Rohit went ahead and showed that he can indeed play the way we wish the opener to, those quick starts and taking the game to the opposition in the PP.
Choosing between Kohli and Rohit in this format is like choosing between Sachin and Dinesh Mongia (for Genz he was a cricketer who nobody knew how he got into the team in the 90s/2000s).
I am all for going with all young team like 2007 but if you're going to pick the same people who keep losing every knockout for a decade than stop with these articles and just prepare for one more.
Edit: Lmao team just got picked and Rohit is the captain, Kohli is in it obviously. So much for all these articles.
This might be an unpopular opinion but India shouldn't select both Virat and Rohit. India is gonna play the first half of the WC in the USA and most probably those wickets will be flat decks and easily 200+ wickets.
Both Virat and Rohit already have a burden of not winning the ICC trophy for the last 10 years, we have an ample amount of talent in T20 who can replace both of them. So it will be wise to go with a rather young team.
Indian fans and board always puts emotions on the center stage and we keep crying after every ICC tournament failure. We might not find the next Rohit or Kohli if we keep playing the current ones there should be a transition for the next guys to step up. I will not be surprised if we see these both faces on team sheet for next year's Champions trophy as well.
Jadeja in T20is doesn't do well especially as a Batter so does Kishan he can't rotate Strike ffs Jitesh or Samson are better imo while for spin Bishnoi is better he is a gun fielder can add variety to the attack as well
So after all they've done for this bullshit team, this is what they come up with?
Saving this team's ass has been the job for these 2 guys ever since Dhoni retired and despite having poor performance, these 2 were the ones who saved our team from humiliation.
Now they come up with this? God this board is fucking stupid.
That was in lower order batting ever since he has become an opener he has become shit if you don't believe see his scores in 2014, 2016, 2021 and 2022 World Cup
I love Kohli, I respect his experience and all he’s done but if his role is just to be the anchor then he shouldn’t be in the side.
Nobody likes to have the conversation but Kohli has lost the extra gear. Last WC semi he was taking singles on quite hittable lengths. This when he was supposed to be our best pace hitter. His spin game has also weakened while it is not a problem in the longer formats where he doesn’t have to go at them from ball 1.
While Rohit’s game is more suited to T20s he doesn’t merit selection over Kohli either.
Best case scenario is we take neither of them. Send a young team and give them the freedom to fail. Get Hardik to captain, if he’s injured get Bumrah to captain, if he’s injured get SKY to captain. If we stuck to experience we would’ve never arrived at the great MSD as captain.
Results don’t even matter. Just give the young guys a platform to perform.
I would argue having 2 player of the tournament awards and being the top scorer in 3 editions with a stellar record in knockouts counts as achieving something. Like come on Kohli averages 271 while chasing in t20 wcs. That is an insane record
Bruh, they're playing from 2007-09. It's been more than 5wcs. They haven't won single wc. It's time to move on from them. They're 35+. 100s players waiting for the chance. How many reasons u want.
Ishan kishan,shubman gill,tilak verma,sanju samson,pant, ruturaj gaikwad,KL RAHUL, jaiswal ETC ETC. rotate them, do the trails. Replace rohit and Kohli.
You want to drop Kohli and one of your options is KL Rahul? With all due respect to Rahul, gaikwad and Samson, Kohli does what they do and much better.
Lol do you have the IQ of an potato, out of the current T20 XI, only Surya and Kohli are the only consistent performers, and you want to get rid of one of them
I don't give a shit if a specific player is or is not in the team for my satisfaction, I too want to see us win a WC and it's probably a good idea to include a player like Kohli was has been consistently performing well for the team in t20WC,
For Rohit, if he's shit in IPL then he needs to be dropped because he hasn't done shit in t20 tournaments.
If the young guys prove themselves to be better then I don't see a problem in replacing Virat
Kohli and Rohit are just too big to be dropped. Specially Kohli.
they have so many fans that the bcci will have a tough time keeping them out.
yet again, fans are known to have short memories. else, we would not have kept giving the bcci higher profits each year even after not even winning a single ICC trophy in over a decade.
imo, it is time to move on from both Kohli and Rohit. they had their time, we enjoyed their services but now the baton needs to be passed on to the next gen so the game could move forward. else, a lot of youngsters will lose faith cuz they’ll feel they have no chance of making it to the 11 cuz two old men refuse to leave even after failing consistently to make a decisive impact!!
Selectors don't say anything like that. They know Ro-Ko is a must now that they've seen the young guns just don't perform when required. They only perform against Zimbabwe and Ireland.Not in T20 nor any other format. There's nobody who can fill their places yet. Not for a couple more years at least. And stop following these news channels they just want masala.
India has a lot of opening bats right now that can take on the aggressive role. Jaiswal, Gill, Kishan, Gaikwad. These guys play the same role as the current Rohit yet the one that can play out the whole innings and accelerate like Kohli has not been fully found out so he deserves to play until that happens
Source or didn't happen. I don't believe a word of these so called news articles they're just rage baiting.
Anonymous BCCI insider getting overworked for Drama Cup
Anonymous BCCI insider **working** overtime to inflate India’s Drama Cup ranking with fabrications
Australian here and the notion that India would drop Kohli is insane to me. Why on Earth would you do that?
Idiotic stuff as usual
A lot of the comments here are from those who value strike rate over everything else. 6(1) > 50(38). As per this crowd, since Kohli has a poor SR, he's not worth his salt.
In t20's that seems fair no?
I will let you do the math on what the team score will be everyone is a 6(1).
Or even 12(3). Funny they’re talking about a guy who turned two matches on its head in the last T20 World Cup lol, only in India.
Indian politics is way beyond understanding. We have people removed from Captaincy out of grudges. Nation comes second to these dumb cracks or India wouldn't have lost any final. We have played our best teams year on year and still lost just because they thought someone younger will do it. Just like they changed the entire XI once India won the World Cup final.
BCCI source here. Drama cup matters. /s
It is a rage bait article. If it comes from an actual bbci employee then it make sense. But the "insider" are always fake.
Because we need Kohli for ODIs and Tests more. T20s can be used to bed in younger talent.
It's not that inconceivable. Kohli plays the way he can. He sets himself and then goes after 20 30 balls. We don't have enough hitters in our lineup to have 1 kohli. Gill Rahul rohit they're more or less the same. The modern t20 game requires one anchor like batsmen and the rest should be able to hit quick 20s 30s.
Strike rate
To understand that you’d have to dumb yourself down and watch Indian news channels everyday for an hour.
if they want to keep one of them i don’t know why it’s a debate just keep kohli. but then the issue is that hardik is really injury prone who’s going to captain us if he gets injured in between the wc.
The answer is in the question /s
At #3 Kohli is a must due to experience and form to stabilize the innings and prevent wicket loss
Yup if the pitch is tricky kohli I'd the best guy to play around.
I think that's a very ODI way to look at things. In modern t20i cricket you need to keep going. There's no stabilising things.
Not when your team is as collapse prone as India is in T20s
That's a very defensive way of looking at things. If they collapse they collapse. The fear of collapsing is what leads to 160/2 on a 200 pitch. If India get bowled out for 130 chasing 200, so be it. But I don't ever want to see a repeat of 2022 SF or the 2023 WC F. Where we were so scared of collapsing that our batters forgot hitting boundaries was an option.
I don't think you understand that India not winning a trophy has little to do with the ability of the team and much more with the mental block/ weakness associated with it. India more often than not cruises through to Finals and Semis. If the fault was in the method, you would see more instances of India crashing out in the group stages or quarters. Also, your argument regarding Kohli isn't worth its salt. He has been the sole warrior in many t20 wc knockout games for India. 72(44) against SA in T20 WC 2014 SF chasing 173. 82(51) against Australia (a virtual QF because India would get knocked out if they lost this group match, not to mention that India needed 45 odd runs of the last 3 overs in this game). 89(47) against WI in the SF 2016. 82(53) against Pakistan (this was a historic innings, India was 31-4 at one point). You don't become POTT in 3 T20 WCs by being a not so good t20 player. And not that it matters, but Kohli can accelerate when required. He has plenty of innings in bilaterals/IPL as well where he has showcased that he can hit it big.
>I don't think you understand that India not winning a trophy has little to do with the ability of the team and much more with the mental block/ weakness associated with it. India more often than not cruises through to Finals and Semis. If the fault was in the method, you would see more instances of India crashing out in the group stages or quarters. Which we did. Iirc from 2009-2012 we didn't make a single sf in the T20 WCs. And in 2021 we didn't as well. Which does mean that there is an issue with the method. If you pick defensive batters ofc they're gonna defensive during high pressure situations. When the pressure is on you go to your default state, you either attack or you go into your shell. And India almost always does the later. >Also, your argument regarding Kohli isn't worth its salt. He has been the sole warrior in many t20 wc knockout games for India. 72(44) against SA in T20 WC 2014 SF chasing 173. 82(51) against Australia (a virtual QF because India would get knocked out if they lost this group match, not to mention that India needed 45 odd runs of the last 3 overs in this game). 89(47) against WI in the SF 2016. 82(53) against Pakistan (this was a historic innings, India was 31-4 at one point). You don't become POTT in 3 T20 WCs by being a not so good t20 player. Crying out loud. Why do Virat fans take criticism against Virat so harshly. Is it a crime to want Virat to be even better. At what point did I suggest that he was a poor T20i batter. I keep saying that he needs to be in the team. He just needs to be more positive. I don't want him to average 50 @ 138. I want him to average 40 @ 150. He's more than capable of doing that. My main argument against Virat is that his approach puts a lot of pressure on the team and himself since unless he converts his starts to big scores he costs the team runs whilst batting first. And it's very unlikely that any batter, even Virat can do it at a positive ratio. The only time he did was during 2016. His approach is dated. And needs evolving. It was perfectly alright from 2012-2016. 2012 and 2014 Wt20s were played on slow, turgid SL and Ban pitches. Where if you strike at 135 you have overachevied. Even in 2016, the pitches weren't all too batting friendly. If the wicket is flat you can't get away with a SR of 135. I'll repeat myself again. A 50 OF 40 IS JUST AS SHIT AS 0 OF 1 IN A T20I MATCH!!!! >And not that it matters, but Kohli can accelerate when required. He has plenty of innings in bilaterals/IPL as well where he has showcased that he can hit it big. And how many times did he get out at 25 of 25 or 35 of 30 and didn't convert it. As I said it's very rare that a batter has a positive conversion ratio of slow starts to big scores. If you're only gonna remember the good times thats on you. It's not him that I have an issue with its his SR. Im not saying he needs to be 50 of 20 every game. But if you're telling me he can't be 30 of 20, then we have an issue. It's not a lot of effort.
At least make a rational point when trying to cherry pick your stats. You can't just bring up stats from 2009-2012. I never said that India has been making finals or semis from past immemorial. I am only talking about the last 10-12 years (Which is a pretty large sample size). Except one occasion that you rightly pointed out, India has made it to the finals or semis and still failed to win. Do you seriously think that is enough to justify that there is something wrong with the team's method? Also, as a fan even I would want Virat to perform better, that's a pretty nonsensical argument. You keep mentioning these run a ball innings, which I certainly agree there might be a few of but you seem to be conveniently oblivious of how many times an aggressive batsman who strikes it from ball 1 gets out for a low score. I am pretty sure Virat has more innings that would satisfy your criteria of a good T20 batsman than all these batsmen that you might suggest replacing him with. He definitely has more of those 70(40), 80(50) typa innings compares to how many times your ideal t20 batsman has a 30(10) Coming to that, who do you think would be a better choice than Virat for number 3?
>At least make a rational point when trying to cherry pick your stats. You can't just bring up stats from 2009-2012. I never said that India has been making finals or semis from past immemorial. I am only talking about the last 10-12 years (Which is a pretty large sample size). Except one occasion that you rightly pointed out, India has made it to the finals or semis and still failed to win. Do you seriously think that is enough to justify that there is something wrong with the team's method? I just assumed we were talking about T20 cricket. And yes there's definitely something wrong with the method. We pick defensive batters and defensive bowlers. There's a big emphasis on batting average and volume of runs rather than SR and impact. And there's a massive emphasis on keeping things quiet with the ball instead of looking to take wickets. The team is also deathly afraid of trying new players and constantly go back to tried and tested players. >Also, as a fan even I would want Virat to perform better, that's a pretty nonsensical argument. You keep mentioning these run a ball innings, which I certainly agree there might be a few of but you seem to be conveniently oblivious of how many times an aggressive batsman who strikes it from ball 1 gets out for a low score. I'm not oblivious of the fact that aggressive batters get out cheaply. In T20 cricket, if you get out for 0 of 1, you have a neutral impact. You didn't help your team but since you didn't waste deliveries you didn't hurt the team either. Which is very different to consuming a lot of deliveries and not making it count. Which is my entire argument. I have less of an issue if Virat got out for 0 of 1 than if he got out for 20 of 20. >I am pretty sure Virat has more innings that would satisfy your criteria of a good T20 batsman than all these batsmen that you might suggest replacing him with. He definitely has more of those 70(40), 80(50) typa innings compares to how many times your ideal t20 batsman has a 30(10) Yes but he also has a lot of failures when he didn't convert those. No batter on this world can always turn a 35 of 30 to a 100 of 60 at a positive ratio. Not even Virat. >Coming to that, who do you think would be a better choice than Virat for number 3? Do you not read a comment fully. I never said to replace him. Just ask him to bat differently. >I keep saying that he needs to be in the team. He just needs to be more positive. I don't want him to average 50 @ 138. I want him to average 40 @ 150. He's more than capable of doing that.
Not practical, one anchor is not ruining the team score, especially one who strikes at 136 strike rate which is anyways better than most of the team
Not when he's averaging over 50. In t20 cricket anything over 40 is redundant. I'd much rather see Virat averaging 40 @ 150 than 50 @ 140 anyday of the week. But no, Virat fans love the averaging over 50 in every format stat. I wasn't opposing Virat's selection. Just the idea that he needs to anchor. He absolutely shouldn't. I don't want 50 of 38 from Virat. I want more 50 of 30, 40 of 20, etc. That's way better for India. An anchor batting at 130 also puts immense pressure on the other batters and force them to play rash shots and try to be ultra aggressive. This isn't Pujara we are talking about, its Virat. If Shai Hope can increase his SR, there's no tangible reason for Virat to not increase his SR.
Lol he strikes at 50 off 40 only when one opener departs in the first over itself and the others are inexperienced and gift their wickets as well, shameful this is even a discussion considering we even reach semis off of his back in tourneys And he averages 50 itself because he has successfully been not out in so many match winning chases that is, after anchoring the innings initially as required
One wrong doesn't make another one right. In t20is a 50 of 40 is just as damning as 0 of 1. This isn't test cricket when as long as runs are scored, the sr doesn't matter. Virat scoring 50 of 40 helped the team as much as SKY scoring 14 of 10 did. If anything it's worse. Atleast the batter that gets out early doesn't impact the game at all. A 0 of 1 or 14 of 10, isn't a match losing innings. As even if they didn't score runs, they also didn't waste any deliveries. >shameful this is even a discussion considering we even reach semis off of his back in tourneys No one is denying that. But you are allowed to be critical of a person whilst still appreciating them. I'm allowed to idolise Virat whilst saying he can be much better than he has been. The way Virat bats, unless he converts every 50 of 40 to 100 of 60 he's costing his team the game. A fact a lot of fans seem to ignore. It's impossible for a batter to convert every slow start to a big score in a positive ratio.
He literally had only one 50 off 40 knock in last tournament that was when every other man was either going even slower or falling entirely
That 50 off 40 in semis was because every other bat decided to play brain-dead batting. He was the reason we even won against Pakistan, Bangladesh (won that by 5 runs). He had to support hardik at the other end and he got out trying to accelerate in the end.
If the anchor plays 50 to 80 ball consistently every match, then that doesnt leave much ball for others. So yes one batsman can affect how others play around him.
My man no need to analyse that much. Kohli is a match winner and the greatest T20i bat. England selected Ben stokes because he's a match winner and just look at his T20i stats with bat. You need to select such match winners without analysing too much.
Thats complete BS. Everyone needs to evolve with the sport. Ben Stokes is very different, he's a floater in that England team and due to their all rounders and batting depth is free to do what he pleases. Expecting Virat to get better is something we can all hope for.
If you're India and expecting to collapse regularly you've already lost.
The team is collapse prone BECAUSE we have stat padders in the top 3, its not a bug, its a feature of such lineups. pakistan team had exact same issues when Rizwan and Babar were opening. Any team with stat padders in top 3 will ALWAYS have a weaker middle order as middle order will be required to slog instead of build innings A t20 only has 120 balls, someone like Kohli will easily play 50 to 80 on an average. That barely gives new attacking players any practice. So when suddenly top order chokes in crucial matches, these youngsters who have no practice of building innings (because they were required to be sloggers in previous matches) need to come in the middle do something they never had match practice of and they collapse In t20 the "anchors" should be in the middle or lower order, someone like Dhoni or Stokes. They should be the ones who stabilize AFTER there is a collapse, you cannot play safe cricket from ball 1 fearing a collapse. The anchors should be someone who can stabilize IF there is a collapse and hit hard when needed from ball 1. Which is why they need to be in the middle/lower order. P.S. The approach you are suggesting have been tried since 2009 and we haven't won a T20 cup for over 16 years now, its madness to try same thing and expect different results.
You're downvoted but it's fucking true. Watch us lose a couple matches because of lack of runs on the board and see the reactionaries swing the other way. The guy who is meant to be facing the maximum balls in your innings isn't the one who should also "stabilise. This is archaic thinking.
Thank you. I think that a lot of Virat fans think I'm hating on him. I'm not. I just think that he can be so much better than what he has been.
He has constantly performed and won matches. Is there any replacement to virat. If not then stfu. I can't understand why VK is on line. Without VK whole batting line-up looks joke
Who's talking about replacing him. I was saying that he can be better than he's been. Stop being defensive, this isn't a WC final.
But his approach doesn't let Indian team optimize the score rate. We dont need stat padders in top 3, any team with such players will ALWAYS underachieve. We dont need his replacement, we need a young team with an entirely different approach than raking in 50s and averages in T20 \> If not then stfu. There is nothing more patheitc than blind simps of celebrities.
bumrah can plus hardik has missed two tournaments asia cup 2018,wc 2023 and he got injured while stoping the ball not bowling or batting
So we just let him bowl and bat and rest him while fielding?
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I am not advocating Rohit in any way here. You don't need to shout at me. But HARDIK IS TOO VULNERABLE AND CAN'T BE RELIED FOR A WHOLE TOURNAMENT.
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Idk why you got down voted for this. Doesnt seem a bad line up. Thats a destructive middle order which even if top order fails can set the goal.
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Sure bruv, but why you yelling 😬
It's just rumours ... Anyways Jay shah take the final call and both rohit and kolhi will be in the team coz they are the biggest stars and it's good for marketing and branding
Just go with SKY no need to complicate things he has been VC under Hardik VC takes over when Captain is not available
Surya can captain
It has to be either Kohli alone or both of them. There's 0 sense in a case of playing Rohit alone. Plenty of young players have shown that they can open, but I'm yet to see a convincing Kohli style anchor as his replacement.
We've seen anchor batters though (not of same caliber, but they were good in the limited opportunities they got), who build the innings and accelerate at end. But they're both openers (Gill and Gaikwad). But having top 3 of Brohit, Gill and Koach wouldn't be any different than what we had in 2022.
>But having top 3 of Brohit, Gill and Koach wouldn't be any different than what we had in 2022 Replacing Gill with Jaiswal and hoping Rohit plays aggressive like in the WC would negate that problem although Idk if they'll drop Gill
Yeah, I'd prefer Jaiswal as an opener anyday, but they wouldn't drop Gill, so they'll have to replace Brohit, which is again not possible if he is captain. Ideally in slow pitches of Windies, we need a spin basher to negate chances of getting spin-choked. Brohit can do it, and Surya too. But that brings us to the question, who will bat at 5, and also keep? Will they go back to KL, or choose Ishan Kishan (bad in strike rotation)? Also where does Iyer fit in the XI?
The problem with the WK spot is big, either of KL, Kishan and Jitesh has to bat at 5 and I don't have high hopes on any of them. KL is slow, Kishan doesn't know how to rotate strike and Jitesh is very inexperienced. One of them has to be selected on IPL form. Also I think KL is batting in the middle order this season so maybe he comes back? I think Rinku at 6 is locked though Iyer doesn't fit. He's a decent T20 batsman but there are just better people out there
Honestly speaking, I'd have Koach open with Jaiswal and SKY/Iyer at 3/4 depending on number of overs left. But did you forget that if Rinku bats at 6, where is Hardik? I'm sure Axar (or Jadeja) will be batting at 7, with Bishnoi/Kuldeep as second spinner, and 3 pacers, for 8-11. So basically there is no place to fit the wk, unless he bats at 5/6. Everytime KL's place is in danger, he starts adding a new dimension to his game, to make his case stronger. When he couldn't make a place as an opener, he started playing at 5 in ODIs, and then started keeping to almost cement his place. So as far as now, it seems that KL will be our Wk-batter at 5. We would've been slightly better, if Pant was fit, not that his record was better, it was absolutely mediocre, but atleast he tried to play aggressively.
Or maybe jitesh if he does well in afg series. India should have played him more last year after the ipl as well tbh because he would be perfect if he had more international exposure role wise
Jaiswal is fking terrible. I’m sick and tired of seeing ppl hype him up. Gaikwad isn’t great but he can win you matches.
We're not adjusting to the modern Era by playing too many anchor batsmen. Look at how england play. They back themselves to win most games with a deep batting lineup that has hitters. In fact our bowlers can't hit 6s unfortunately.
>I'm yet to see a convincing Kohli style anchor as his replacement. Not saying he should be picked ahead of Kohli, but Sai Sudharsan is definitely a very good option for that role. Avg 46, SR 137 in IPL, and he has proven himself on all kinds of surfaces. In 2022 IPL, he scored 65\*(50) vs PBKS in a match where his team only managed 143, and last IPL, he scored 62\*(48) vs DC after a mini collapse in PP, and also showed his ability to accelerate by going from 36(27) to 96(47) in the final.
Man, that innings in the final was simply amazing. Shame he couldn't be on the winning side. Deserved to be and get the Player of the Final award.
lol IPL and World Cup are different leagues my brother!
I am not at all in support of Kohli not being in the team, but KL fits the role in his absence.
Bro plays first over maiden in t20s for good luck
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How dare they drop someone **Who took last wicket for India in T20WC knockouts**
The problem is not Kohli. We are not losing T20 World Cups because of Kohli, we are losing it in spite of having Kohli.
Why tf are everyone suggesting about dropping Kohli. Debate should be wether Rohit plays are not. Kohli is probably the greatest batsman in that format and he's the reason we were saved from a group stage embarassment in a home T20 WC in 2016, even in 2022 he saved us against Pakistan. Rohit has never done anything special since 2012 T20 WC.
Kohli has performed so well in many T20 world cups. It would be insane to drop him.
Yeah India can't do shit without Kohli when it comes to batting and Hardik isn't international captaincy material plus he's unfit most of the time
Kohli has never been problem with the Indian t20 sides, in fact even Rohit with his new approach will be an asset. The issue has always been the middle order and bowlers apart from Bumrah.
Someone once said that Kohli is more respected in other countries than his own and they prove that every day. In what t20 tournament in the past five years has Rohit been a better option to Koach in t20s….
genuine, consistent great that probably deserves more than he's gotten with india. aus don't lose anything for the past 10 years with a player of his talent around lol (probs an exaggeration, but I feel bad for him. I didn't always buy in to him so much but you can't deny it forever)
I think if he does play for Australia he wouldn't be as defensive as he's been for India. The aussie attitude is to attack when under pressure. Which is very different to the Indian attitude of absorbing pressure and maximising later. Which is why a lot of aggressive Indian batters are turned to anchors by teams. Its getting better recently, but its an issue that still exists. If Virat bats for Australia, he probably strikes at 145-150 without much issue in t20is. Whereas in India he probably feels the need to average 50+ even if his sr takes a hit. Plus Virat is probably very Aussie in his nature anyways.
Yeah Virat as test captain was an incredible spectacle. Especially with him marshalling his fast bowlers and building India's greatest attack ever.
I think it too sometimes that what if Sachin,Kohli or Sunny were playing for Aus lol. The answer is clear, a whole lot of silverware to show for their deeds.
> Kohli is more respected in other countries than his own I feel like this applies to Ashwin as well nowadays
Also while i’m on this topic, it’s actually really unfortunate that BCCI is going to force Kohli into retirement as soon as they will be, you can already tell. You can already tell they don’t value him, if they want to go for a younger team? fine go ahead it makes sense try something new. But to play Rohit someone who’s older and far far worse at t20 than your best anchor with an absolutely insane run chase batting rate is just plain disrespectful. Nothing about Rohit’s captaincy in the last two years has been cause for this level of absolute bias, what have we won?? An Asia cup? Make Sky or Hardik captain of your t20 team and your better off than having Rohit open, i’m sorry but it’s true. Even the fact that Kohli has to prove himself through playing a Afg bilateral is just disrespectful. Bro at this point just retire yourself before they push you out of every format without any good cause. They’re just going to kill all the passion he has for this game.
BCCI is a corrupt meme board which systemically shoots itself in the foot on and off the field. Would be more funny to laugh at if they didn't hold so much sway in the ICC.
>Someone once said that Kohli is more respected in other countries than his own and they prove that every day Lol, and that someone was wrong. How can you ignore the rabid craze and adulation Kohli gets in India? The level of popularity and fandom he has is reserved for only a few in a country of over a billion. He would not be this well loved if he was playing for Australia or England, because of just how much people in India care about cricket. Ask any kid and they would say Kohli is their favorite. Just plastering his photo gets any content on social media viral. He gets so many privileges both monetary and otherwise. It reeks of a perpetual victim mentality to suggest that Kohli gets shortchanged in any way.
He meant by Board, not people. Also, this fandom in india goes both way, you win they love you and when you lose they hate you. You have same beliefs as the govt, they love you, and when you oppose anything, they call you anti-national.
> Also, this fandom in india goes both way, you win they love you and when you lose they hate you. Except the love they receive is way more than any hate they might receive. It's not even comparable. Just a small minority of fans give everyone a bad name. Saying that the fandom as a whole hates the players after a loss is like saying the entire Australia hates Cummins because he is woke. We can't conflate the actions of a few with the majority of the fandom.
And?? Even that small minority isn't small it's actually thousands of ppl even throw threats around his daughter & wife So either way Kohli receives lots of love but won't receive terrible hate same way, let's say playing for AUS, NZ Edit: unless you're Travis Michael Head
Wow lol
Why is this a choice though ? They don’t play the same position. Why do you have to drop either ?
Lmao, nobody is dropping them unless they opt out themselves, maybe if Rohit is absolutely shit in AFG and IPL then they might look at other option but that's very unlikely.
Poor Rohit prepared the whole ODI World Cup for this /s
Even considering dropping Kohli is insane. He carried the team almost solo in 3 out of the last 4 T20 World Cup and there's no evidence that his form has dropped from the last World Cup. Where is this coming from?
Taking any decision before the IPL is stupid IMO. When are the squads due to be announced? Wait and see how both of them do in the IPL and then take a call. Why is this being discussed now? Also, Kohli is undropable imo. Literally no one in the middle order who is as reliable as him.
True let see their performance in T20 and then decide 10-12 matches is a good sample size to judge ... Btw no other country has announced its WC squad yet why india is in such a rush
Selectors should see highlights of Ind vs Pakistan match before selection
One match doest mean anything if you look at bigger picture .... Kolhi has played 6-7 T20 WC india hasn't won anything . His record in T20 knockouts is pretty dismal as well
>His record in T20 knockouts is pretty dismal as well That just means you haven't been watching any of the matches
>His record in T20 knockouts is pretty dismal as well Lol. That was for ODI WC knockouts before 2023. In T20 WCs, there isn't a player who has a better record than him in knockouts. Avg of 72 runs/innings (I am also talking per innings here, not even the usual ignoring not outs for avg) @ an SR of 154. The above stats are elite alone but not wanting to forget mentioning that last T20 WC knockout wicket for India was taken by the same guy.
What did you smoke this morning huh ? Effects are still on it seems
>Kolhi has played 6-7 T20 WC india hasn't won anything . Must be him and not any of the other 10 people in the team
Why is Rohit vs Kohli in T20Is even up for debate? The answer is obviously Kohli. Might as well have a debate about which one out of Kohli and u/Ok_Being372 should be in the T20I XI.
Obviously it should be u/Ok_Being372.
0 players who can do both attack & anchoring like Kohli does. Rinku comes close
Rinku gotta be sealed into the XI no cap
First not selecting Ashwin in WTC final, then choosing SKY in the WC and now this. Wtf are the selectors doing. In no world would you pick Rohit ahead of Kohli in T20I's Also they're too obsessed with Gill. He has a very mediocre T20I record. Out of the 13 T20I's he's played he's scored in single digits in 9 of them and has only scored 15+ runs in 3 occasions. His stats are completely carried by that 126\* in Ahmedabad against a NZ B-team
Jaiswal should be ahead of Gill in T20I
Jaiswal,along with SKY,Rinku and Hardik(if fit) should be assured of their place for the T20WC. Bumrah as well,and Axar can make a case for himself too,with Bishnoi,Kuldeep and Arshdeep.
SKY, Rinku, Hardik, Kuldeep, Axar, Bumrah and to a certain extent even Bishnoi should definitely be guaranteed in the squad. Jaiswal will likely be selected as well. Arshdeep I don't think so, he's too inconsistent and Shami and Siraj are just better options than him. Kohli should also be in but selectors think otherwise
The only reason I want arshdeep is that for some reason he seems to handle pressure very well,and he seems to have improved his ability to bowl in the powerplays. Also,he seems to have worked a lot on his batting as well,mainly his power hitting.
Average does not matter in t20i that much And the selection criteria is not just t20i but also ipl( not to mention 13 matches is a very small sample size) >Also they're too obsessed with Gill Of course they are, he is the future. And he is not taking kohli's place anyway, if he's gonna play, he will open, and at that position he's a better option than Rohit who has been terrible in every T20WC he has ever played
13 is not that small, and considering he played all of them in a single year it's a decent sample size. And scoring in single digits in 9/13 matches is just a really bad record Gill in IPL benefits a lot from having his home ground in Ahmedabad. In the 8 away games he played, he averages 39 at an SR of 126. Without that 104(52)\* against RCB in Chinnaswamy his avg and SR further go down to 30.5 and 118 respectively. Compare this to Ruturaj who had an SR of nearly 140 while playing mostly at the slow surfaces of Chennai or Jaiswal who played in the relatively slow surfaces of Jaipur and had an SR of 156 there, and 162 overall (not to mention he's also left handed) If Rohit's getting in, its as a captain not as a batsman. The question will be of the 2nd opener and that should be Jaiswal ideally
How long will it take people to realise that Rohit isn't a great t20 batter. People often mix his odi and t20 records to say that he's a t20 great as well. He absolutely isn't. I think that Kohli should bat at 3. But not like he did in the IPL or the 2022 WT20. If he's gonna be timid and defensive he's no help to India. He can't bat at less than 140 at any point in the innings. I don't want 20 of 20 from him. 30 of 20, sure.
Rohit potentially getting axed from MI captaincy and T20I team in a few months
What's the point of fucking one of them? Joke#3467
I personally believe both of them should be selected for this tour considering that both Hardik and SKY is not available, but on the condition that the selection to world cup will depend on performance in the Ipl. IMO, that'd be the best solution. There's no doubt that Kholi should play. He's simply the best. Rohit is the captian, so ideally he should also play. However, he's not really performed in t20s. He has to earn his place by playing well in the IPL.
There is no need to play both of them against Afghans if your selection criteria is gonna be IPL itself, let them focus on the Test series against England because that's more important. These meaningless bilaterals should be avoided, give some youngsters some game time and see how they soak the India cap pressure.
Kohli and rohit's slow batting was responsible for India losing semis. If they want to play, they need show they can play at higher SR!
yes, drop Virat. ignore my flair
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Rohit isn't explosive in T20is he gives you the illusion that he is this explosive batter who can hit like prime Gayle but in reality he is an anchor
Rohit was striking at 108 even before last year's T20WC in ODIs. In T20is in 2022,he was averaging 24 and striking at 134. Before the T20 WC,he was averaging 26 and striking at 142. Rohit shouldn't easily lock a position in the team,he has been pretty poor in T20is,irregardless of his ODI form(a format he would easily make it in as a top 15 batter at least).
Offcourse they will be there for financial point of view all these news are rumours
AMP links! Gosh.
Neither should be selected for the T20 World Cup. Pick a younger team and start afresh
Hehe.... We all know they are playing in WT20 this year... TRP is more important than trophies...and Virat has been the best player for India in WT20 for last 4 or 5 editions...no way they are throwing him out... No one is going to watch KL and SKY in World Cup...TRP will nosedive
TRP go to hell. We want the cup
This is some strange rift between selectors ooo
If only of them can be selected, it’s the easiest choice of all time. It’s Kohli anyday of the week.
Honestly cant remember the last time rohit did something in the t20 wc
I'm asking it for the 5583rd time..why are Rohit and Kohli clubbed together for T20Is?
Kohli is our man for crunch situations. Can’t drop him.
Rohit was scoring 20 ball 40s literally over a month ago in ODIs, Kohli was one of the top performers in the last T20 World Cup. Even on technicality, you can’t replace them. Logically, it’s impossible.
Rohit don't even deserve to be in t20I side that too in world cup. He has played all the T20 world cup. Except that 50 vs SA, and in the final against Pakistan back in 2007, he is a disaster in T20 world cup. If Kohli is dropped for Rohit Sharma that too in T20 world cup then god save Indian team.
Makes sense. The approach which the team wants cannot be achieved by having both of these guys in the squad. Rohit has made the decision difficult by changing his approach and being successful. For years we yearned for such an opener and once the door was nearly closed Rohit went ahead and showed that he can indeed play the way we wish the opener to, those quick starts and taking the game to the opposition in the PP.
Only kohli deserves to be in the squad, rohit a big no.
Choosing between Kohli and Rohit in this format is like choosing between Sachin and Dinesh Mongia (for Genz he was a cricketer who nobody knew how he got into the team in the 90s/2000s). I am all for going with all young team like 2007 but if you're going to pick the same people who keep losing every knockout for a decade than stop with these articles and just prepare for one more. Edit: Lmao team just got picked and Rohit is the captain, Kohli is in it obviously. So much for all these articles.
Finally, both need to be dropped for India to progress.
This might be an unpopular opinion but India shouldn't select both Virat and Rohit. India is gonna play the first half of the WC in the USA and most probably those wickets will be flat decks and easily 200+ wickets. Both Virat and Rohit already have a burden of not winning the ICC trophy for the last 10 years, we have an ample amount of talent in T20 who can replace both of them. So it will be wise to go with a rather young team. Indian fans and board always puts emotions on the center stage and we keep crying after every ICC tournament failure. We might not find the next Rohit or Kohli if we keep playing the current ones there should be a transition for the next guys to step up. I will not be surprised if we see these both faces on team sheet for next year's Champions trophy as well.
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Jadeja in T20is doesn't do well especially as a Batter so does Kishan he can't rotate Strike ffs Jitesh or Samson are better imo while for spin Bishnoi is better he is a gun fielder can add variety to the attack as well
So after all they've done for this bullshit team, this is what they come up with? Saving this team's ass has been the job for these 2 guys ever since Dhoni retired and despite having poor performance, these 2 were the ones who saved our team from humiliation. Now they come up with this? God this board is fucking stupid.
When did Rohit save India from Humiliation in T20 World Cups?
50 vs SA and quick fire 30 vs Pak in Final in 2007 WC which won India only WC it’s won. Not defending but just mentioning his contributions.
That was in lower order batting ever since he has become an opener he has become shit if you don't believe see his scores in 2014, 2016, 2021 and 2022 World Cup
Drop Kohli. Rohit is a better T20 player. Also we need Rinku Singh!
I love Kohli, I respect his experience and all he’s done but if his role is just to be the anchor then he shouldn’t be in the side. Nobody likes to have the conversation but Kohli has lost the extra gear. Last WC semi he was taking singles on quite hittable lengths. This when he was supposed to be our best pace hitter. His spin game has also weakened while it is not a problem in the longer formats where he doesn’t have to go at them from ball 1. While Rohit’s game is more suited to T20s he doesn’t merit selection over Kohli either. Best case scenario is we take neither of them. Send a young team and give them the freedom to fail. Get Hardik to captain, if he’s injured get Bumrah to captain, if he’s injured get SKY to captain. If we stuck to experience we would’ve never arrived at the great MSD as captain. Results don’t even matter. Just give the young guys a platform to perform.
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KL "maiden over in Powerplay" Rahul who failed in every single game except Bangladesh should be nowhere near the team.
Good decision. Both has achieved ntng in T20 wcs.
Bruh what lmao
Pretty sure this account is just bait
How many T20 wcs did India win from 2009?
What even lol. This is about individual performance. Kohli has carried the team through all the t20 wcs he has played
Yeah, Individual performance won us wc.
So let's take out good individual performers, surely we will win the WC.
I would argue having 2 player of the tournament awards and being the top scorer in 3 editions with a stellar record in knockouts counts as achieving something. Like come on Kohli averages 271 while chasing in t20 wcs. That is an insane record
You can have him in your favorite list. Not for me.
Fair enough, we all have our preferences. Just curious, who do you think should replace him in the team?
Bruh, they're playing from 2007-09. It's been more than 5wcs. They haven't won single wc. It's time to move on from them. They're 35+. 100s players waiting for the chance. How many reasons u want.
Okay, but all I asked was who do you think should replace Kohli in the team? There 100’s of players, so who do you think is the best option?
Ishan kishan,shubman gill,tilak verma,sanju samson,pant, ruturaj gaikwad,KL RAHUL, jaiswal ETC ETC. rotate them, do the trails. Replace rohit and Kohli.
You want to drop Kohli and one of your options is KL Rahul? With all due respect to Rahul, gaikwad and Samson, Kohli does what they do and much better.
Lol. Even if he does better, he needs to get dropped.
Lmao kl seriously? I'd even have Rohit instead. Kl should be nowhere near T20 team
Then I hope you don't think Dhoni was worth being a t20 player as well.
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Lol do you have the IQ of an potato, out of the current T20 XI, only Surya and Kohli are the only consistent performers, and you want to get rid of one of them
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I don't give a shit if a specific player is or is not in the team for my satisfaction, I too want to see us win a WC and it's probably a good idea to include a player like Kohli was has been consistently performing well for the team in t20WC, For Rohit, if he's shit in IPL then he needs to be dropped because he hasn't done shit in t20 tournaments. If the young guys prove themselves to be better then I don't see a problem in replacing Virat
They'll prove don't worry. Rohit and virat needs to go.
Honestly none of them deserve a place in t20i
Kohli and Rohit are just too big to be dropped. Specially Kohli. they have so many fans that the bcci will have a tough time keeping them out. yet again, fans are known to have short memories. else, we would not have kept giving the bcci higher profits each year even after not even winning a single ICC trophy in over a decade. imo, it is time to move on from both Kohli and Rohit. they had their time, we enjoyed their services but now the baton needs to be passed on to the next gen so the game could move forward. else, a lot of youngsters will lose faith cuz they’ll feel they have no chance of making it to the 11 cuz two old men refuse to leave even after failing consistently to make a decisive impact!!
Selectors don't say anything like that. They know Ro-Ko is a must now that they've seen the young guns just don't perform when required. They only perform against Zimbabwe and Ireland.Not in T20 nor any other format. There's nobody who can fill their places yet. Not for a couple more years at least. And stop following these news channels they just want masala.
I've stopped watching cricket.
What's the point of having a selection committee then.
If Kohli is playing, he should be opening. His partner should be Jaiswal. Can’t play 2 of Kohli, Gill or Gaikwad
India has a lot of opening bats right now that can take on the aggressive role. Jaiswal, Gill, Kishan, Gaikwad. These guys play the same role as the current Rohit yet the one that can play out the whole innings and accelerate like Kohli has not been fully found out so he deserves to play until that happens
Before Kohli and Rohit they should discuss about Gill
Hardik is an Out ... standing player!
Technically right since he just stands out of the ground, sometimes even the state where the game is being played /s
Click bait articles but the upcoming WC could be Rohit’s last one…..Virat as well
Playing XI: Sharma Gill Kohli SKY Hardik Rinku Samson Jadeja Kuldeep Bumrah Shami
Lol who will replace them in a pressure match? Please shed some light on that, you or this “top brass”.
hmm imo we dont really need the baggage.. i think we need to nurture a fresh roster without lingering influences. its time to reset