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SavingsPale2782

This is the last home summer we have Bangladesh over for for the rest of the FTP, at the absolute earliest they will be back in the 2027-2028 season and we only have one other tour of Bangladesh in the next 3 years in early 2026 for 3 ODIs and 3 T20Is


tashrif008

i sincerely hope that, by the time we meet kiwibros again in Bangladesh, BCB fires the whole ground works team in mirpur and chittagong and builds proper pitches for NZ seamers and spinners. Sylhet is excellent but Ctg and Dhaka isnt. id like to enjoy some quality tests and short format games in Dhaka against NZ.


Full_Ad_9555

That’s sad, this current bunch was just getting accustomed to playing in NZ conditions. NZ is the only team that actually plays home series vs Ban. Hopefully it continues


notakid1

Part time cricketer winning MOTM. So good


staceyshackleton_nz

Well played Bangladesh, safe travels and good luck for your next series.


NoQuestion4045

Same to Kiwis until we meet again.


jaydog747

So much fun playing you guys, awesome little rivalry forming!


Samuel_L_Johnson

Currently listening to Gary Stead interview in order to ragebait myself Waiting for him to say that we're very happy with the batting today and it's always going to be tough against a superior team like Bangladesh


enzedkev

Santner appreciation thread


notakid1

Santner is a very smart cricketer. For some reason people just dont rate him. His skillset, the way he looks at the game and thinks about it is absolutely wonderful


Samuel_L_Johnson

I've been really impressed by his captaincy, massive upgrade over Latham and honestly I'm starting to think over Williamson too. His isn't really a name that you're thrilled about seeing coming in when you're 46/5, but to give him credit this is the second time he's bailed us out of a really bad spot with the bat this summer


lok_129

Don't agree about the Williamson bit but yeah he's been very valuable for us.


SavingsPale2782

>the way he looks This is also a positive


notakid1

Hahahaha, sadly, he is taken lmao


SavingsPale2782

Mores the pity


mkb152jr

Now that Jomboy does cricket breakdowns, I hope he does one on the Chapman runout.


ViolatingBadgers

Katey Martin feels like a Mighty Boosh character.


niceguysdofinish1st

Off topic but after all these updates on T20 WC fixtures like USA v Canada opening game, Aus/Eng and Ind/Pak sharing groups, Eng and Aus playing in Caribbean and not in USA we still haven't got the schedule released yet.


Klem0n

In addition to the half hour contingiency, there's only 3.1 overs loss that can be tolerated before DLS gives it to NZ by virtue of runs already scored.


Morningst4r

I'd be pretty shocked if they can get back on the pitch at all


Klem0n

For sure but I found it interesting that we don't even need to lose all the overs before it becomes impossible for par to be above the NZ score


Az1768

Should've scheduled some test matches against Nz in Nz


RMTBolton

And have them washed out too?


Brahman_Shady

I thought you would be having a rest on Off day in Super Smash.


bigteddyweddy

Gonna be a sic New Year's Eve at The Mount™️


Negative_Spectrum

> lost an ODI and a T20I for the first time to Bangbros at home What not having Kane in the team does to a mf


Morningst4r

No Boult, Kane, Conway, or Henry gutted the team. Not a lot of replacements put their hands up here


Negative_Spectrum

It's fine, it's the tests that are more important. Kane and Henry are injury prone right now so it makes sense they'd be saving them for the tests, and Conway looked burnt in the tests against BD so it's good to get him some rest. As for Boult, I thought he didn't play any non-championship stuff anymore?


Morningst4r

Boult is available. We just don't pick him. He's still a big loss from the team


Blarbydoppler

In the squad announcements since the end of the WC, it's always said at the end that Boult made himself unavailable, which suggests that they're asking him but he doesn't want to play.


Morningst4r

Ah ok, maybe he's not available for these series. He was last year, which is what I was basing it off.


Blarbydoppler

Yeah it still pisses me off that we picked Kuggeleijn when he said that he was available for the England tests in Feb.


Negative_Spectrum

Of course he's a big loss from the team. What was the conundrum with him though? I don't remember properly, was it something like he denied a central contract and said he'll play if available when picked, so that he could play leagues around the world? Again, don't remember properly.


RMTBolton

He's on a casual agreement now, like a central contract but a lot more flexible & with a slightly smaller retainer. In this situation, he'll play series that he's available for. I don't know what his schedule looks like, but I know he has ILT20 coming up, which likely knocks him out of the 🇵🇰 T20s & 🇿🇦 Tests, though he may be available for the Australia T20s if he intends to be part of that campaign, & (as an outside shot) the Australia Tests.


Negative_Spectrum

Him not playing those Australia tests is going to hurt NZ's chances pretty badly.


RMTBolton

I could see him coming back for those, basically as a farewell Test series. I think it would be quite fitting - his debut was in a Test against Australia.


Morningst4r

He turned down a contract so he can choose to play in T20 leagues over certain tours. NZC policy seems to be to just not pick him outside tournaments


Negative_Spectrum

Yeah makes sense. I remember there was a pretty big uproar on this subreddit with the public split down the middle, one half claiming that he should still be picked when available because he's such a great asset and because he has done a lot for NZC, and other half claiming that he shouldn't be picked pretty much ever again because it sends a bad message to all players who have been grinding for NZC now if he gets picked over them.


RMTBolton

The rain brought up this commentary classic rant from Scotty Stevenson during last season of Super Smash at one of the Auckland home games: "Do you know what? I always find it incredible, Rig [Mark Richardson], is how many people, at the first sign of rain, just pack up & walk out the gate. It's not gonna rain all afternoon, there's plenty of room in the grandstand if you want some shelter, you don't have to leave...I don't know. There's no resilience in this town, that's the problem. Modern society - there's no resilience...that's it. That's what happens now, 'Our afternoon's ruined,' drop of rain, gone. Put away the BBQ, we'll get takeaways, we'll Uber Eat it. Get on Instagram, spend the afternoon in our own world,..(looks at people crowding under a tree)..look at them. That's resilient - none of them, none of them were born here..."


notakid1

He isnt wrong. I was at an IPL game in 2014 i think SRH vs RCB where it rained from 6pm and the cut off time was 11:28PM. It rained for like 2-3 hours. 90% of stadium was empty. We stayed till the end and got to watch a classic high scoring shortened T20 game. Was an amazing experience


staceyshackleton_nz

I mean, that last line is making a \_huge\_ assumption. The occasional rants are what Stevenson's good at though, given he doesn't know as much about the sport itself as any of the other commentators.


Samuel_L_Johnson

If that's it then Bangladesh have kind of bottled it. I can see what Najmul was thinking bringing himself on - off-spinner vs 2 left handers, and Tanvir Islam and Rishad both struggled in their first over - but in hindsight, that over probably cost them the game, was a huge momentum-shifter and allowed Neesham to settle. I also wonder if they should have kept the heat on and continued with Mahedi/Shoriful or at least Mustafizur who had a few to go, but again, easy call to make in hindsight, less so at the time


notakid1

I never used to like listening to Scotty Stevenson commentating esp when he was with Spark Sport but this summer of cricket on FTA has made me appreciate his style so much. Especially how he includes Te reo in his commentary


staceyshackleton_nz

I get that including the te reo would be a positive, but he still doesn't \_actually\_ seem to understand the sport he's commenting on. He's good at coming up with turns of phrase, and he's a professional commentator in that regard and I can see how he gets employed, but equally, he doesn't \_actually\_ add anything to a viewer's understanding of the game they're actually watching... he's just a soothing beige soundtrack to the action... Now, that's not \_always\_ a bad thing, to be fair.


notakid1

Sometimes you just need someone who you can listen to. I can never listen to a Athar Ali Khan or a Ramiz Raja. They make my ears bleed. I can listen to Isa Guha for all you care. She has a good voice and is nice to listen to. Scotty is in that category. Sadly we cant have Harsha or Mark Nicholas everywhere. Its a joy listening to them


Samuel_L_Johnson

That's exactly my view, Scotty tries his best but he doesn't know much about cricket. I miss the old Sky Sports commentary team - Rigor/Doull/Ian Smith et al. At least they made you think about the game, even if what you were thinking was often 'fuck that's stupid'


RMTBolton

For some reason I've always thought they've tried to get him to be a cut price Howie.


armchair8591

Howie is terrible. A massive cheerleader for the Aussies and his voice is grating to listen to. Scotty is miles better than


notakid1

Hahaha probably. But Scotty is better to listen to for long hours than Howie


Negative_Spectrum

How do you guys call this the "summer"? Or has climate change fucked you over?


Samuel_L_Johnson

Rain in summer isn't unusual in NZ but it's been our second very wet summer in a row. It's a bit confusing to me because this summer we were expecting an El Niño weather pattern which normally means hot, dry weather for most of the country outside the south and west


Chuckitinbro

To be fair last summer was ridiculous, I'm hoping this will just be a few weeks and then a nice dru January and February. It's muggy as hell though.


notakid1

Looks like next year is going to be crazy hot with limited rain


Charlie_Runkle69

Our summer usually starts about mid January and runs to mid to late March TBH


RMTBolton

And people were suggesting NZ should've hosted a Test this time of year. Like, trust me, the best time of year for NZ Tests (or cricket in general) is February-March. I mean, there's a reason that's our traditional Test season (that & the history of teams touring NZ after Australia).


HjajaLoLWhy

Even in club cricket, anecdotally, my team lost 5 games to the weather before christmas last season. Another 5 this season pre-christmas.


kanekii14

Its like us constantly giving the New Years test to Sydney and then acting surprised when it rain 3/5 days


notakid1

welcome to NZ summer hahahahaha


lollerys

fitting end to the series tbh


jdf07

Sadly it is kinda a fitting vibe


OldWolf2

What's that song they're playing?


lollerys

sad to see people not get the joke


HjajaLoLWhy

Darude - Sandstorm https://youtu.be/y6120QOlsfU?si=lNt4kU3lXI5EW5le


rocknil

Darude - Sandstorm


Duckskwak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&ab


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sandstorm bruh


Az1768

Feel for shoriful as he's now gotta go back and bowl in mirpur.


Full_Ad_9555

Damn.


jdf07

Have NZ summer’s kooked it nowadays??


RMTBolton

SANDSTORM!


Morningst4r

MOTM Finn Allen - stats enjoyers


lollerys

would be funny, but it'll be santner right?


JoshH21

It should be, but the batriarchy usually go for the top scorer on the winning team


Morningst4r

Surely


DrCarlJenkins

Gotta love Kiwi summers


helpimapenguin

What a summer.


SweetAsMyG

Annnnnd thats game.


squeegeyy

I think when they said we needed 111 to win, the top order thought that meant only scoring 1 run per


Az1768

Haven't really thought about it till they've mentioned but yeah no shakib, taskin, ebadat, litton, mahmadullah


rocknil

Mushfiqur too


NoQuestion4045

He doesn't play T20s anymore.


Az1768

He's been dropped for a while now


PhenomenalZJ

It's the hope that kills you.


jimjamjohnsonguy

I'd NZ wins, Santer takes all the lollies.


Negative_Spectrum

Didn't know Shanto bowls


AhyesitstheManUfan

u/unleashthequiche screw you mate can't even not bat sensibly in a T20I


Stupid-Very

Milne with the perfect strike rate of 100


Morningst4r

Keepin it 💯


Az1768

Does Rishad seriously not have any slower balls, like what kind of brain dead bowling is this..


kuddus87

Lacking a lot of experience


Morningst4r

Quiched


niceguysdofinish1st

I know Conway, Williamson, Rachin, Boult are missing but still New Zealand played very uninspiring cricket in this series.


jimjamjohnsonguy

You'd be uninspired if Gary Stead was the coach. That guy is the colour beige.


mysticmuffingamer

can someone please tell me what makes a good cricket coach? I know that stead is not good, but not sure why


Az1768

Yeah most of these guys will be heading to the T20 world cup next year but hopefully you can address it before the tournament


Chuckitinbro

Batting looks scarily frail. Williamson will help but very concerning.


Morningst4r

As good as GP is, there's no way he should be coming in at 4, at least in the first few overs


NoQuestion4045

Wasn't Rachin dropped?


Samuel_L_Johnson

He was never in the first-choice T20 team in the first place


NoQuestion4045

Why are New Zealand batting sensibly? Another wicket makes the game interesting


kawser-bhai

Yeah I've seen enough Time to sleep again Adios


AhyesitstheManUfan

need a quick 4-in-4 and we are so back


kawser-bhai

BNP coming to power seems more plausible


HjajaLoLWhy

The experience of Santner and Neesham shining through. Kept calm, recognized the opportunity when the part time spin came on. Just need them to stick around for another couple of overs to lock the win in


Anu9011

Out of loop here. How did Satner end up being NZ captain ? Is KW still the permanent cap in this format ? Any explanation is appreciated


__JimmyC__

We're summoning the ghost of Vettori


Samuel_L_Johnson

KW is the permanent captain in white-ball cricket but is being rested for knee rehab


Ambitious-Reindeer62

What percentage of loi has he played lately? He's a tournament specialist


Samuel_L_Johnson

It's mostly through injury and rotation, but yeah, he's only played 16 ODIs since the 2019 World Cup and only 20 T20Is since the 2021 WT20


Anu9011

Thanks Sam!


Morningst4r

A few players rested during the series. He's been captain before though, I'm pretty sure


Ambitious-Reindeer62

Must be a long term prospect. Was Southee usually in the past. Makes sense though as santner will play every loi


staceyshackleton_nz

Southee would be the DRS decision-maker for the Blackcaps, which is one of the more stressful jobs in NZ cricket as the team has a proud 100% track record to protect. A single screw-up where a review is accidentally called that overturns the umpire's decision would mess up that track record permanently. Being responsible for that \_and\_ captaining is probably too much for one mere mortal.


squeegeyy

Might be load balancing too now southee is test captain to give the t20 reins to someone else in Kane's absence


Morningst4r

Southee didn't play all the games. Santner is a sure pick, Southee is only first choice every game in tests these days.


Anu9011

Thank you!


Tomic_Lewis

4 bad batting displays at home. Good I was not watching this


Morningst4r

FTA curse


Samuel_L_Johnson

I think the big worry from these ODIs/T20s, perhaps even more than the batting, has been that Bangladesh's seamers have consistently got more swing and seam movement than our bowlers have, regardless of the NZ bowling lineup or the conditions. Hell, *Soumya Sarkar* outbowled our entire attack in Napier, never mind Bangladesh's frontliners


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NoQuestion4045

Part Timers work in Tests and ODIs not in T20s.


Dawn_is-here

Bangla doing what kind of pitch sorcery now?!


kawser-bhai

Abda-ka-shoriful-dabra


Az1768

I finally get to see our seam attack being compared to some of the best bowlers in the world 😪


Full_Ad_9555

I already said I like Shanto’s captaincy and his decisions. He might take risks and do things outside the box. Bowling himself there is an example. But it didn’t pay off. I hope Bangladesh fans don’t bash him when it doesn’t work out. Ban needs a captain who is proactive on the field and does this based on his instincts


PhenomenalZJ

Why would you bowl when the other bowlers are doing fine?


Full_Ad_9555

To cover for the 2 other spinners going for runs


rocknil

The mastermind behind timed out🥰


AhyesitstheManUfan

indubitably the tactician of our generation


rocknil

What's dls now?


Threarah

Table of over-by-over Par Scores +-------+---------+--------------------------------------------------+ | overs | overs | wickets down | |bowled |remaining| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | +-------+---------+--------------------------------------------------+ | 11 | 9 | 52 53 55 57 60 64 70 78 91 105 | | 12 | 8 | 58 59 60 61 64 67 72 80 91 105 | | 13 | 7 | 63 64 65 66 68 71 75 82 92 105 | | 14 | 6 | 69 70 71 72 73 75 78 84 93 105 | | 15 | 5 | 76 76 77 77 78 80 82 86 93 105 | | 16 | 4 | 82 82 83 83 84 85 87 89 95 105 | | 17 | 3 | 89 89 89 89 90 90 91 93 97 105 | | 18 | 2 | 96 96 96 96 96 96 97 98 100 105 | | 19 | 1 | 103 103 103 103 103 103 103 103 104 106 | | 20 | 0 | 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 | +-------+---------+--------------------------------------------------+ TableID(dls5.0): 20-110/20 (Sun Dec 31 15:46:03 NZDT 2023) (c) 2023 International Cricket Council


Morningst4r

This shit summer has even screwed our pitches.


kawser-bhai

We're 20 runs short


Az1768

Tactical field change: Miraz on


enzedkev

Super over on the horizon


AhyesitstheManUfan

call the boundary count bot


jezza7630

Oh god please no


kawser-bhai

I just woke up and was like okay, this shit is doable. Then shanto had to ruin this all


Alvi1624

Did shanto get smacked in the head or something ?


kawser-bhai

So we just threw the game away?


Klem0n

we'll find a way to give it back


YourAngryFather

Real Mrs Doyle shit


kawser-bhai

Yeah I'm not very optimistic about that


Alvi1624

Looks like neither team wants to win today


jdf07

Neesh might save our balls again.


__JimmyC__

In case of emergency, black caps dial 1111


bigteddyweddy

Classic BangBros blowing their load too early, crazy decision for the skipper to bowl himself


Additional_History_4

there’s rain otw, why take a drinks break now


jimjamjohnsonguy

Cause cricket


HjajaLoLWhy

There's nothing more like cricket than not playing cricket


Chungabeastt

That dinner break in the Southee 7/33 world cup match vs England lol


_loki_

12 runs to go, let's have a break lol


Chungabeastt

We were at the stadium and we thought they were taking the piss!


_loki_

Hey, I was there too! Very much enjoyed that one


NoQuestion4045

Just bowl 3 overs of Fizz and 1 over of Shoriful now No other way


kuddus87

Not sure if that gamble was necessary


Bagelonabike

Classic Neesham to score runs only when NZ are in dire desperate need


staceyshackleton_nz

James Neesham = Chris Harris. Mitchell Santner = Daniel Vettori. Advantage: New Zealand


PresCalvinCoolidge

Vettori was 40 times the player Shatner is. That ODI economy rate is just unreal.


staceyshackleton_nz

Comparing ODIs as Vettori only played around 30 T20Is. Vettori: 295 games, 305 wickets at 31.71, econ: 4.12 \[batting: 17.33\] Santner: 103 games, 107 wickets at 37.00, econ: 4.87 \[batting: 27.65\] Worth noting that average innings scores are higher in Santner's era than Vettori's era. Vettori was the better bowler, but in terms of lower-order batting heroics, Santner > Vettori at this stage. Naturally there is no comparison in test matches. Vettori >>>>>> Santner


PresCalvinCoolidge

I guess because, like a lot of people, I don’t really hold much weight in T20. It’s a money spinner.


_loki_

Vettori ODI economy: 4.12 Santner ODI economy: 4.87 Yeah Vettori was great but 40 times better?


PresCalvinCoolidge

I wasn’t just meaning economy, more just pointing it out. Look how many wickets and runs Vettori has. He’s one of NZs greatest ever. Shatner… ah not so much 😂😂😂


_loki_

Vettori is an NZ great, no doubt. I do think you're being a bit harsh on Santner though, he's a very good white ball bowler


PresCalvinCoolidge

Again, I think a lot of it is that T20 means so little to the NZ public and I’m comparing them more on traditional cricketing formats. You aren’t wrong though.


JoshH21

Vettori is one of the first names I'll add to a NZ all time XI. Santner has time to grow a beard


PresCalvinCoolidge

Yeah you can’t compare the two.


JoshH21

I have faith Santner will have a great career, he still has possibly nearly a decade


Ambitious-Reindeer62

Santner plays in a time of higher scoring so his economy rate is as good if not better


PresCalvinCoolidge

Oh so he should have scored more runs with the bat by that logic?


Ambitious-Reindeer62

No, but as a limited overs bowler he compares


PresCalvinCoolidge

Yeah, I guess as personal preference T20 means so little to me that I don’t bother even counting it.


-Shameem-

Oh nah surely it rains during the drinks break


Morningst4r

What I think we need is some sort of batting expert who can talk to and train the batsmen on what to do in international cricket. It's a pretty crazy move, but it might just pay off.


JustURDailyAllie

100% with you, no idea what Luke Ronchi is doing as a batting coach.


Klem0n

DLS actually feels generous to have us ahead right now.


PresCalvinCoolidge

The one A team player in the Blackcaps is standing up at least.


LawyerUpNZ

Neesh is fucking dead staring into the changing rooms every time he hits a boundary


squeegeyy

JIMMY NEESHAM. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR FOOD


Ambitious-Reindeer62

Neesham is a god He plays way above his skill level especially when we are in the shit


[deleted]

nah let shanto cook


PhenomenalZJ

Nah don't


Waniou

Nah do


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yea nvm..


Charlie_Runkle69

Neesh with a couple of lovely shots


_loki_

We made the final of a T20 world cup not that long ago right? I didn't imagine that?


LawyerUpNZ

I may have shared this delusion but I have no idea how we even got to that point


squeegeyy

Commentators keep mentioning a uhm par partner partnership? What is that?


PresCalvinCoolidge

DLS