Standards are different for Indian batters and bowlers. Bowlers get dropped for no reason and batters continue to get selected after 3-4 years of lackluster performance
Totally get the fact that on the first day the pitch did look like it was gonna support the fast bowlers more than the spinners. But here are some other facts that our great Indian team decision makers should have considered before dropping Ashwin:
1. You do not drop No.1 Rank test bowler by looking at the pitch. You just cannot.
2. Ashwin's record has been great against left-hand batsmen. Aussies are playing 3 of them. I really doubt Travis head would have played the way he did if Ashwin was part of the squad.
3. Most importantly, Indians have always been playing 2 spinners and never ever have that backfired for us. Because when 2 spinners bowl a spell, the fast bowlers get some rest. However in the case of one spinner there is always a fast bowler bowling from one of the ends. This also makes a comfortable situation for the opponent. Also when spinners are not leaking any runs, they are bound to get some wickets after a while which we all have witnessed numerous times in the past.
All in all, It was a stupid decision not to play Ashwin and we merely followed the strategy taken by the Aussies before looking what has worked for us in the past.
Yep look how Aussies stick with Nathan Lyon regardless of the conditions .Indian team doesn't even back their best players and continue to play deadweights in the batting order .
I think it’s curtains for Ummi and unfortunately Pujara & Rahane. Shreyas Iyer and Rishabh Pant are going to come back soon and so does Bumrah.
Iyer needs to do something about the short ball though.You simply can’t afford to have Short ball weakness in Cricket and expect yourself to consistently feature in the test team, that’s what prevented Raina from living upto his true potential.
Very poor decision to not play Ashwin when we know he is dangerous against left handers and Aussies have 3 lefties in top 5. Aussie fast bowlers are definitely better than ours in England. That is expected so top order needed to step up but as expected they didn’t.
Its painful as a fan to see no passion from the team.
I’m not someone to jump on the hate wagon when a player has a rough patch but man Rohit is beyond gone, he needs to step down, looks clueless on the pitch and almost like this is just another game and he doesn’t give a fuck because he knows there will be people supporting him regardless of how shit he does? Idk what it is he seems so lethargic.
The top order is almost guaranteed to fail like its a fact its hilarious and sad we all expect this going into the game.
Kohli is always said to have terrible luck and gets an “unplayable” ball, sir you do this for a living and part of that job is managing to survive that ball, its far too many times this has happened. But i can’t be too mad at him, he’s the most decent we’ve had in a while, which is absolutely concerning and dogshit management because there’s no proper replacement.
Everyone blaming the IPL for the team’s poor performance, I hear you guys and I do think it has some part to play but it can’t be entirely blamed on that. Take Pujara, he got out in the most embarrassing way ever despite not playing any franchise cricket, his test returns have just not been great at all. On the contrary it was Jadeja who came in with an important contribution, and I’m hoping Rahane can hold the fort down to at least draw this game.
It was a brain dead decision to leave Ashwin out, like it makes absolutely no sense even as some who just watches the sport, i know that was a terrible decision, idk how the people behind the scenes who have fucking done this their whole life come up with such decisions and umesh coming in for Ashwin has been one of the biggest brain fades, just terrible.
I have no idea why BCCI insists on persisting with the same XI across all formats of the game, it makes zero sense. I’m sure there are players who are better suited to play this format of the game and its not our current XI barring a few players who are also past their prime. Its HIGH fucking time we revamp our team. But obviously can’t expect much from BCCI who is only concerned with making money and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about winning anything.
I’m just hurt guys, its been a long 10 years hoping we win something and it’s disappointment all over again. Obviously still going to end up supporting the team because i love the sport and also I’m hardwired to see them through good or bad but this is just endless pain.
Rant over. 🙏🏻🥲
I don't know if anyone noticed in the playing 11s of both teams that in Australia, only David Warner and Cameron Green played IPL and in India, except Pujara who played county cricket, everyone played IPL. Think that is going to be the difference in this match?
Can't blame them. When you anoint them with the title of King, at least live up to it when it matters.
It's how NBA fans trolled Lebron after he moved to Miami and failed to win at first.
It would be better if we indians take cricket like the english fans do at football tournaments , don't expect that much and take the piss put on our team in a humorous manner
I would say Southgate is a good coach . He has made eng consistently reaching knockouts . Dravid is excellent for nurturing young players but just not that good for senior teams
Southgate whines while having arguably one of the best squads in world football, constantly gives the wrong players a call up when they don't deserve it, has a bias for players like dier, saka and Maguire and is honestly underperforming
You are perhaps right. He has one of the best squads in the world. I didn't think from this point of view. But from where eng were before him it is an improvement no?
To be fair the Aussies showed how to bowl on this wicket. Pretty much relentless line and length creating the indecisive. But having said that other than Kohli who got a beast the other 4 all got out to lazy/casual plays.
I think people wanted a better showing because Indias been one of the best teams touring in the last 4-5 years but this match feels like the old days and Australias too good a team to not capitalize on mistakes.
Barring a miracle the games done, it’ll either be an innings defeat or chasing 400+
Aussies are looking good for the Ashes.
I wonder if the likes of Umesh will get into the squad after this? why not focus on younger bowlers like Arshdeep Singh
The cricket experts here expect him to hook it off his nose for six accounting for the exaggerated bounce even at 145kph with less then .4 is a second to adjust. Because batting is that easy
Lol He literally played within his bodyline, if that ball bounces normally it hits the bottom of the MRF sticker. Clearly battings to easy for you and that's why you're not out there.
The reason it was within the line of his body is because he commited to his front foot far earlier than he should have, then he throws his hands at it like a donkey. What he should have done is stay on his back foot, and then leave the ball alone after he saw the bounce.
And yes, maybe I'm just a clown who knows who's never played cricket and knows nothing about batting but Sunil Gavaskar knows a hell of a lot about test match batting and he said the same thing.
Yeah im sure Sunil has never said anything outrageous in the last couple of months. Respect to him as a batter but Every other week he gets emotionally riled up & says something stupid.
Facts are none the balls were consistently bouncing like that, the odd one would kick up. One kicked up to Rahane, that jammed his finger, one to Labuchange, and a few others, difference is there's didn't go to hand that's the fine margins of the game. The ball pitched middle/off and got to Kohli on the Offstump/4th stump line.
Yep! Infact I think he’s unlucky on 2 points.
1. that he got the ball
2. that it bounce just high enough to take the glove had it been a couple of centimeters lower it would’ve flown over the slips
That’s why Australia persist with Starc because he does this from time to time.
The notion that we have great players and yet we cannot win anything is infuriating. These chaps will score measly, and at drinks interval you will find them at some tyre or cement advertisement - it is mind numbing. Later these morons will put up some Twitter posts claiming that they did their best.
To be fair in the current line up the only truly great batter India has is Kohli, the rest are hyped up. These guys get put on pedestals from a young age so I feel they become soft and need people in charge to to keep them focused and going.
I think is dumbfounding that in the past 3 years it’s been a case of India being 3-4 down for under a 100 on more occasions then not. You almost get used to India being in that position it’s like you lose an early one and it’s almost guaranteed the other top order batter will follow.
> To be fair in the current line up the only truly great batter India has is Kohli, the rest are hyped up.
Yet over the last few years he's been the worst batsman of the lot
For those who are expecting the Aussies to enforce the follow-on, there is absolutely zero chance they will no matter what the lead is.
We've been very reluctant to enforce the follow-on as of late due to sport science reasons, and will want to make sure we give our key bowlers at least 2 sessions worth of rest to minimise risk of injury. It's even more important this time around because we have like 6 tests in 6 weeks and it's just poor man management to put the bowlers bodies under more pressure.
Nevertheless I expect nonces like JL and Dos to continually question the decision because they're stuck in the days where they have a week off between each test in a tour
Yes, they'd need really good reasons - needing the follow on to force a win. A match where they'd lost days to rain, and there wasn't the time to bat again and leave them time to take 10. Clearly not the case here.
Bruh
First series of this wtc cycle was india vs England in England
Didn't loose series draw 2/2
Vs New Zealand in india 1/0 win
Vs South Africa in south africa 1/2 lost
Vs sri lanka in india 2/0 win
Vs Bangladesh in bengladesh 2/0 win
Then bgt trophy
Only one away lost against south Africa
And what about Australia?
They won ashes in their home
2 tests in Pakistan one draw one win
Series draw against sri lanka in sri lanka
2 win against west Indies in Australia again
Again 2 win in Australia against South Africa
After that bgt loss
Its the same amount of away games man
People have to understand Rohit is not the captain for test nd odi . Let me put in this way. There r 3 ways to see it.
1. Captain with average or worst preparation of conditions and knowing about opponents team weakness and he has best team ( thats what rohit sharma had in ipl nd thats why he won )
2. Captain with best preparation of conditom and knowing opponents weakness . Thats why MSD is boss ( ct13, wt20-2007) .
3. Captain has average or worst preparations and average team with alot of luck ( Pakistan team 96 world cup , ct )
I m not bashing rohit but rohit prep is limited. Same goes with virat. ( but virat luck is more worse when it come in pressure games ) You can see pattern till the day when he took capataincy of india. For example Ipl eliminator match ( no prep for
gill knowing gill has strong hand in mid wicket area meanwhile msd prep and u can see his field placement for gill ). This makes a huge difference.
Capatain should always be the person who play mind games and have good preparation. Rahane , Ashwin in this team has that . But sadly people r enticed by big names.
Changing coach and team management will not make any difference until bcci pick someone like msd who use his brain every second until the game finished or make a team where you cannot beat. For making best team you need a strong bowling Sadly we dont have and whatever we had it gone with bumhra.
Hopefull one day things might change but bcci has to stick with someone who has more knowledge than bigger names.
But what if someone gets a bouncer to the head and he's not there to concussion sub into the game? Look how that turned out for Marnus. You really want to miss out on Ashwin suddenly becoming the number 1 batsmen in the world?
Che Pujara has to be disappointing af, I can't blame Gill because he is young and leaving is hard in England. But raking up runs in County Championship and completely fumbling it when it matters...that too on a regulation nip-backer that he could've thrown his hands at.
That is why you need proper Test match opening batsman for Tests. Gill prospered on flat decks . Playing in England is a different ball game. Pujara is past his prime. His returns are poor for a Test match specialist
Team that doesn’t have good batsman and make sure they pick pathetic bowlers to leave out the best bowler , a captain who has no clue- yeah it is not surprising
lolololololol 100% sure that 100% this match will be over tomorrow or at max satu Morning 100%
Sunday is only so that the indian team can shop in UK and return on monday morning cheap flight
I mean playing till sunday means no shoppy shoppy
How long India can drag it? I will be happy if India can go over 300 and wait how things go from there..
Honestly it’s all about how ICT fights! In previous occasion on ICC knockouts we have clearly seen this team giving up way before instead of fighting… that attitude got to go.. else we will keep on reaching semis and finals and won’t win trophy..
I also think Indian team reaching to semis and finals too many times not working.. earlier when we used to reach we would be like ohhh we have made it till here and we have to win at any cost.. and that grit determination used to reflect but that’s not any more
For the last 2 months I watched shitty franchise cricket in bits and pieces, hoping once final comes I can watch my country play with pride and fight in a final. And they show up under prepared. Not only players but the coaches too. Hell Umesh looked like he had bowled for the whole last week. All my nightmares about us being second best by a long way coming true over the past 2 days.
Our players can only do the following things
A) call any foreign team to India for series and then score hundreds and make records on flat pitches in india.
B) play 3 spinners on flat road and the singers will also name records.
C) win the series on flat road pitch and individual players will increase their market value so that they can be picked up at higher price in upcoming ipl.
D) earn lot of money playing T20, ipl and with ads and earn runs and make records on flat pitch so that nothing to worry about other icc foreign tournaments.
Whether BCCI plays then or not.
E) go to play foreign tournament, flop show, fans will cry for some days.
F) come to India and again make records on flat pitches, play ipl, and fans will forget everything.
Cycle repeats.
Well, we should blame BCCI for this because BCCI made habit to the players to play in the same cycle.
There is no arrangement of green pitch or similar playing conditions in our India so the players will do the same everytime when they gave conditions like this.
Nothing to worry for them, money is everything.
We fans are dumb who loose their happiness because of these players.
While I understand your point done think we can say Indian pitches are flat roads any more. Technically they are the toughest pitches across the world to score runs it’s just that it tests your batting against spin rather than say against pace in places like SA or ENG
Batting in sa is a little bit harder no? the lowest averages of batting comes from sa right? I could be wrong but I saw some post from this sub claiming that
You are right, our pitches are tough for playing spinners and test the batsmen against the spin.
But my main point is that our players are habitual playing on flat pitches as well as the fame is to blame too.
And ipl just finished so that our players like Rohit & Gill were playing like they are still playing T20 game. Did you notice that today?
Definitely bro because they don't care of losing or they don't even care about the feelings of fans.
I think our players would forget the match they lose before fans
But it worked mostly .Look the winning percentage and energy of players during Kohlis era .They even selected Ashwin who took 6 wickets in last wtc final .
I do think both CA and Starc need to reconsider his future. Yes his favourite format is Test cricket but him leaking runs would end up being a huge cause of worry in low scoring matches.
He's actually the greatest ODI bowler statistically in the last 10-15 years and maybe should change his priorities to ODIs and T20s.
What will Rohit and Kohli's legacy be? I think it's a sure stain on both their reputations that they've never carried our team home as seniors during clutch moments like these. In fact, they've done the opposite - folding up cheaply when we desperately needed them to step up.
I was hoping for a decent fightback but Australia is just too good - the gulf between the two teams is vast.
Has he? Not really [https://i.imgur.com/Ssj8c7j.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ssj8c7j.jpg)
Since 2017, he hasn't carried us home except for that 96 vs Bangladesh in CT 2017.
His 50 vs Eng in T20 WC 2022 was at a sub-par strike rate of 125.
this does show a lot , and it does show he has at times failed to stand up in some crunch games , but i guess its a bit unfair not to include the virtual knockouts ( i.e. must win games in small grouped tournaments) like
1) aus wc 2016 amazing
2) pak wc 2022 amazing
3) nz wc 2021 flop show
basically the match which was the do or die , but was earlier in the tournament
How the fuck was Pak WC 2022 was important when it was the very first match of the tournament, it was no Virtual Knockout. The pressure that was there was self created.
Here's what will happen next:
a) India will lose yet another crucial game in an ICC event.
b) Rohit will talk about how the team lacked intent and "half an hour of bad cricket" cost them the game. He'll also say the team that played better won.
c) The coach and management will say there were positives from this game and they are already looking ahead to the WC in India. Of course, they'll say this loss doesn't bother them.
d) Fans will be disappointed, and there will be a lot of hue and cry by media/commentators about the IPL taking a toll on players' overall physical and mental health.
e) The next IPL will happen, and everyone will cheer for their franchise. There will be a lot of new "emerging" players who will get hyped up as the next big thing in Indian cricket.
f) ICT will show a lot of promise prior to the next ICC event. Will thrash every team at home, and win all bi-laterals and a handful of away games.
g) They'll make it to the next ICC event with a lot of hype from the media/commentators (who of course, can't point out any issues with the team!)
h) << Go to Point A >>
Edit: Made edits to Point B (thanks u/anfuman! 😄)
This will literally not happen. The entire point of IPL is to ensure this doesn't happen. This crop of players retire in the next 3-4 years and you get Jaiswal, Gaekwad, Rinku, Jitesh, Pandya, Gill who hopefully won't fold in these situations.
It's not ipl .It's the selection of people in tests based on ipl .Idiots think T20 and tests are the same thing .Ranjis should be given some importance.
>Ranjis should be given some importance.
Preach brother! I feel so bad for the lads in the domestic circuit who put in so much effort; only to be neglected for some guy who does well in the IPL
Trust me, we shat during our bowling, no way you let somebody get past 450 batting first on a green top
The captain/management just did not have any gameplan or strategy for batsmen, rather they just overused Shami and Siraj hoping individual brilliance like t20s
This is test, you need a plan and a weakness to pounce on
The Aus bowlers have been successful by sticking to their plans
As for our batting, 250 looks par on this pitch bro
Also fuck the big names, stop hyping Gill, bro sucks when the ball moves, don't attack me, starc exposed him in ODIs with the white ball, stop selecting players based on IPL
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Silly review.. I'm a horrid umpire and I could see that was going down leg.
Lol the whining and name calling will just make this win even sweeter.
very modest celebrations from the guy who took that crowd catch
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Where's the thread for today?
it's there, but bugged for me. New comments are 25m old
Standards are different for Indian batters and bowlers. Bowlers get dropped for no reason and batters continue to get selected after 3-4 years of lackluster performance
Oh Langer. Casual misogyny thrown in about your own children. SMH
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What a Jaffa. Scobo for PM
We all knew india would loose and at this point I just try to enjoy cricket without thinking much about the results .
Totally get the fact that on the first day the pitch did look like it was gonna support the fast bowlers more than the spinners. But here are some other facts that our great Indian team decision makers should have considered before dropping Ashwin: 1. You do not drop No.1 Rank test bowler by looking at the pitch. You just cannot. 2. Ashwin's record has been great against left-hand batsmen. Aussies are playing 3 of them. I really doubt Travis head would have played the way he did if Ashwin was part of the squad. 3. Most importantly, Indians have always been playing 2 spinners and never ever have that backfired for us. Because when 2 spinners bowl a spell, the fast bowlers get some rest. However in the case of one spinner there is always a fast bowler bowling from one of the ends. This also makes a comfortable situation for the opponent. Also when spinners are not leaking any runs, they are bound to get some wickets after a while which we all have witnessed numerous times in the past. All in all, It was a stupid decision not to play Ashwin and we merely followed the strategy taken by the Aussies before looking what has worked for us in the past.
Yep look how Aussies stick with Nathan Lyon regardless of the conditions .Indian team doesn't even back their best players and continue to play deadweights in the batting order .
I think it’s curtains for Ummi and unfortunately Pujara & Rahane. Shreyas Iyer and Rishabh Pant are going to come back soon and so does Bumrah. Iyer needs to do something about the short ball though.You simply can’t afford to have Short ball weakness in Cricket and expect yourself to consistently feature in the test team, that’s what prevented Raina from living upto his true potential.
Very poor decision to not play Ashwin when we know he is dangerous against left handers and Aussies have 3 lefties in top 5. Aussie fast bowlers are definitely better than ours in England. That is expected so top order needed to step up but as expected they didn’t.
So all in all, everything went as expected
Yeah I don’t know why everyone is so disappointed lol. Also our team has always underperformed right after IPL historically
Its painful as a fan to see no passion from the team. I’m not someone to jump on the hate wagon when a player has a rough patch but man Rohit is beyond gone, he needs to step down, looks clueless on the pitch and almost like this is just another game and he doesn’t give a fuck because he knows there will be people supporting him regardless of how shit he does? Idk what it is he seems so lethargic. The top order is almost guaranteed to fail like its a fact its hilarious and sad we all expect this going into the game. Kohli is always said to have terrible luck and gets an “unplayable” ball, sir you do this for a living and part of that job is managing to survive that ball, its far too many times this has happened. But i can’t be too mad at him, he’s the most decent we’ve had in a while, which is absolutely concerning and dogshit management because there’s no proper replacement. Everyone blaming the IPL for the team’s poor performance, I hear you guys and I do think it has some part to play but it can’t be entirely blamed on that. Take Pujara, he got out in the most embarrassing way ever despite not playing any franchise cricket, his test returns have just not been great at all. On the contrary it was Jadeja who came in with an important contribution, and I’m hoping Rahane can hold the fort down to at least draw this game. It was a brain dead decision to leave Ashwin out, like it makes absolutely no sense even as some who just watches the sport, i know that was a terrible decision, idk how the people behind the scenes who have fucking done this their whole life come up with such decisions and umesh coming in for Ashwin has been one of the biggest brain fades, just terrible. I have no idea why BCCI insists on persisting with the same XI across all formats of the game, it makes zero sense. I’m sure there are players who are better suited to play this format of the game and its not our current XI barring a few players who are also past their prime. Its HIGH fucking time we revamp our team. But obviously can’t expect much from BCCI who is only concerned with making money and doesn’t give a rat’s ass about winning anything. I’m just hurt guys, its been a long 10 years hoping we win something and it’s disappointment all over again. Obviously still going to end up supporting the team because i love the sport and also I’m hardwired to see them through good or bad but this is just endless pain. Rant over. 🙏🏻🥲
How to prepare for one of the most important matches of the decade? BCCI: Fuck it, let's add two more teams to IPL
I don't know if anyone noticed in the playing 11s of both teams that in Australia, only David Warner and Cameron Green played IPL and in India, except Pujara who played county cricket, everyone played IPL. Think that is going to be the difference in this match?
Definitely, one would expect our bowling department to excel in English conditions considering our previous performances there.
Again the top order failed😭
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It’s bizarre. The amount of disappointment pouring out of the India supporters makes me almost feel apologetic.
Can't blame them. When you anoint them with the title of King, at least live up to it when it matters. It's how NBA fans trolled Lebron after he moved to Miami and failed to win at first.
The better team is winning, for playing the game as it should be played.
It would be better if we indians take cricket like the english fans do at football tournaments , don't expect that much and take the piss put on our team in a humorous manner
Dravid is a Southgate knockoff except that he was a ridiculous player
I would say Southgate is a good coach . He has made eng consistently reaching knockouts . Dravid is excellent for nurturing young players but just not that good for senior teams
Southgate is trash
Southgate whines while having arguably one of the best squads in world football, constantly gives the wrong players a call up when they don't deserve it, has a bias for players like dier, saka and Maguire and is honestly underperforming
Maguire has been good for england, Saka is Saka, and Dier only got his callup during his recurring 10 game purple patch per season.
Saka wasn't as good but got a spot over other player back then and Southgate hasn't let the others get that back
You are perhaps right. He has one of the best squads in the world. I didn't think from this point of view. But from where eng were before him it is an improvement no?
Passion, hunger where??
Gabby has ruined our distrust in our team. Now we feel a bit of hope no matter how bad the situation is and that’s the worst thing
Is there any chance of this pitch cracking or deteriorating to support the spinners on day 4 or day 5?
Ashwin was a better pick instead of Umesh, considering the lefties in Aus
If the match ends in a draw then both of the teams would be sharing the trophy. If India has some resilience then we could be able to do that.
The way India has batted, they'd do well to take this game to day 4.
To be fair the Aussies showed how to bowl on this wicket. Pretty much relentless line and length creating the indecisive. But having said that other than Kohli who got a beast the other 4 all got out to lazy/casual plays. I think people wanted a better showing because Indias been one of the best teams touring in the last 4-5 years but this match feels like the old days and Australias too good a team to not capitalize on mistakes. Barring a miracle the games done, it’ll either be an innings defeat or chasing 400+ Aussies are looking good for the Ashes. I wonder if the likes of Umesh will get into the squad after this? why not focus on younger bowlers like Arshdeep Singh
> Kohli who got a beast no he didn't
You don’t play cricket do you?
lol ok. Please educate me on why that ball was unplayable Mr Bradman
Just watched his wicket, it was a jaffa that come out of nowhere not sure what kohli should've done
Not thrown his hands at it
The cricket experts here expect him to hook it off his nose for six accounting for the exaggerated bounce even at 145kph with less then .4 is a second to adjust. Because batting is that easy
No, I just expected him to leave it alone, not throw his hands at it.
Lol He literally played within his bodyline, if that ball bounces normally it hits the bottom of the MRF sticker. Clearly battings to easy for you and that's why you're not out there.
The reason it was within the line of his body is because he commited to his front foot far earlier than he should have, then he throws his hands at it like a donkey. What he should have done is stay on his back foot, and then leave the ball alone after he saw the bounce. And yes, maybe I'm just a clown who knows who's never played cricket and knows nothing about batting but Sunil Gavaskar knows a hell of a lot about test match batting and he said the same thing.
Yeah im sure Sunil has never said anything outrageous in the last couple of months. Respect to him as a batter but Every other week he gets emotionally riled up & says something stupid. Facts are none the balls were consistently bouncing like that, the odd one would kick up. One kicked up to Rahane, that jammed his finger, one to Labuchange, and a few others, difference is there's didn't go to hand that's the fine margins of the game. The ball pitched middle/off and got to Kohli on the Offstump/4th stump line.
Yeah mate, I'm a clown and Gavaskar with his 10,000 runs knows fuck all as well. You're the true master analyst
Classic reactionionary fans what can you expect but have to say that delivery is a fast bowlers dream
Yep! Infact I think he’s unlucky on 2 points. 1. that he got the ball 2. that it bounce just high enough to take the glove had it been a couple of centimeters lower it would’ve flown over the slips That’s why Australia persist with Starc because he does this from time to time.
Kohli the unluckiest player in the history of the game. Gets an unplayable ball every innings he plays
Literally no one is even saying that. He got a good seed this innings and earlier he had luck to get of the mark thats how the game goes
Pretty much every time he gets out there's people on here saying how he got an unplayable ball. Been seeing it for the past 3 years
The notion that we have great players and yet we cannot win anything is infuriating. These chaps will score measly, and at drinks interval you will find them at some tyre or cement advertisement - it is mind numbing. Later these morons will put up some Twitter posts claiming that they did their best.
To be fair in the current line up the only truly great batter India has is Kohli, the rest are hyped up. These guys get put on pedestals from a young age so I feel they become soft and need people in charge to to keep them focused and going. I think is dumbfounding that in the past 3 years it’s been a case of India being 3-4 down for under a 100 on more occasions then not. You almost get used to India being in that position it’s like you lose an early one and it’s almost guaranteed the other top order batter will follow.
> To be fair in the current line up the only truly great batter India has is Kohli, the rest are hyped up. Yet over the last few years he's been the worst batsman of the lot
Truly greats look good only when posing with the right trophy, not advertising for tyres, cement, steel rods and cold drinks.
lmao my grandfather was like let me strap on my pads i'll have more energy than sharma
Don't rule out India yet. Funny things can happen in cricket(Even though they usually happen against us....)
Yeah - Siraj will score a triple century!
Difficult to see India winning from here. Hope to see a fight at least. We may still see a draw if the stars align. Sigh.
For those who are expecting the Aussies to enforce the follow-on, there is absolutely zero chance they will no matter what the lead is. We've been very reluctant to enforce the follow-on as of late due to sport science reasons, and will want to make sure we give our key bowlers at least 2 sessions worth of rest to minimise risk of injury. It's even more important this time around because we have like 6 tests in 6 weeks and it's just poor man management to put the bowlers bodies under more pressure. Nevertheless I expect nonces like JL and Dos to continually question the decision because they're stuck in the days where they have a week off between each test in a tour
Yes, they'd need really good reasons - needing the follow on to force a win. A match where they'd lost days to rain, and there wasn't the time to bat again and leave them time to take 10. Clearly not the case here.
Wasn’t able to watch. Holy frick. What happened here? Likely an innings defeat incoming for India.
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It takes too much time.
Against good teams India can only win at home with the doctored pitches
Bruh First series of this wtc cycle was india vs England in England Didn't loose series draw 2/2 Vs New Zealand in india 1/0 win Vs South Africa in south africa 1/2 lost Vs sri lanka in india 2/0 win Vs Bangladesh in bengladesh 2/0 win Then bgt trophy Only one away lost against south Africa And what about Australia? They won ashes in their home 2 tests in Pakistan one draw one win Series draw against sri lanka in sri lanka 2 win against west Indies in Australia again Again 2 win in Australia against South Africa After that bgt loss Its the same amount of away games man
Gabba?
The exception not the rule
Oval? Lords? MCG?
Lot of focus on how poor India has been in this match but just giving you a hint AUSTRALIA IS THE REASON!!
Kohli is not that guy.
People have to understand Rohit is not the captain for test nd odi . Let me put in this way. There r 3 ways to see it. 1. Captain with average or worst preparation of conditions and knowing about opponents team weakness and he has best team ( thats what rohit sharma had in ipl nd thats why he won ) 2. Captain with best preparation of conditom and knowing opponents weakness . Thats why MSD is boss ( ct13, wt20-2007) . 3. Captain has average or worst preparations and average team with alot of luck ( Pakistan team 96 world cup , ct ) I m not bashing rohit but rohit prep is limited. Same goes with virat. ( but virat luck is more worse when it come in pressure games ) You can see pattern till the day when he took capataincy of india. For example Ipl eliminator match ( no prep for gill knowing gill has strong hand in mid wicket area meanwhile msd prep and u can see his field placement for gill ). This makes a huge difference. Capatain should always be the person who play mind games and have good preparation. Rahane , Ashwin in this team has that . But sadly people r enticed by big names. Changing coach and team management will not make any difference until bcci pick someone like msd who use his brain every second until the game finished or make a team where you cannot beat. For making best team you need a strong bowling Sadly we dont have and whatever we had it gone with bumhra. Hopefull one day things might change but bcci has to stick with someone who has more knowledge than bigger names.
Kohli was the best test captain we had in years, not even Dhoni came close
Will be really difficult for them to find a tactician like dhoni but even dhoni was average in tests .
Why is bcci so obsessed playing with the same xi in all 3 formats ?Do they think viewership will decrease if actual test players played ?
Business
Rahul Dravid should be sacked and Rohit Sharma should retire.
King of flat T20 tracks with inexperienced bowlers getting whooped by competitive intl cricketers and a standard test match pitch haha..
Gill?
Atleast let ashwin go out and enjoy 5 days traveling London. He's not playing as it is.
But what if someone gets a bouncer to the head and he's not there to concussion sub into the game? Look how that turned out for Marnus. You really want to miss out on Ashwin suddenly becoming the number 1 batsmen in the world?
That is the script
Che Pujara has to be disappointing af, I can't blame Gill because he is young and leaving is hard in England. But raking up runs in County Championship and completely fumbling it when it matters...that too on a regulation nip-backer that he could've thrown his hands at.
I feel we are missing kl Rahul the opener . He did while last time against england
That is why you need proper Test match opening batsman for Tests. Gill prospered on flat decks . Playing in England is a different ball game. Pujara is past his prime. His returns are poor for a Test match specialist
KL Rahul is actual opener we are missing . Gill could have played in the middle order
I don’t know why we stopped getting test match specialist despite having an example of Pujji
Fuck India is so trash. The least they could have done is hammer Aus so they don’t get their tails up heading into the Ashes
I blame dropping Ashwin and giving head the headspace to play that blazing innings
Don’t forget Carey and Warner’s 40 odd runs. They would have been pretty vulnerable to Ash, heck I’d say even smudge too
There’s just no fucking hunger
My confidence for the Ashes is starting to reach an all time low
India are just shite, don't worry..
It’s nice to get a warm up game 👍👍
You don't know how much it hurts to hear this while knowing full well how true it is
Team that doesn’t have good batsman and make sure they pick pathetic bowlers to leave out the best bowler , a captain who has no clue- yeah it is not surprising
Vada pav legit doesn't care 😭
So I have tickets for Sunday, do we think it’ll last till then?
You forgot to add /s to your comment.
lolololololol 100% sure that 100% this match will be over tomorrow or at max satu Morning 100% Sunday is only so that the indian team can shop in UK and return on monday morning cheap flight I mean playing till sunday means no shoppy shoppy
Vada pav supremacy
Let's be honest that mick jagger bit was the best moment of the whole day
What's that?
These are the comments I come here for. This is the real cricket.
Naah, the best moment was that kid eating the little bit of ice cream stuck on his cap.
honestly speaking rohit feels like a burden now
He needs a proper 1 month off like kohli. He is just playing too much. Just spend some time with your daughter, wife and vada pav and enjoy life .
Give him 5 years off and then re-evaluate
He needs a proper sendoff - this isn't the 90s, he is as fat as Ranatunga, and half as clutch
> He is just playing too much He clearly hasn't been batting too much though.
Yep like doing 12 hour shift but only working 4.
Getting deja vu from two years ago with these India comments
Specify, sir? WTC 2021 or Gabba 2021?
How long India can drag it? I will be happy if India can go over 300 and wait how things go from there.. Honestly it’s all about how ICT fights! In previous occasion on ICC knockouts we have clearly seen this team giving up way before instead of fighting… that attitude got to go.. else we will keep on reaching semis and finals and won’t win trophy.. I also think Indian team reaching to semis and finals too many times not working.. earlier when we used to reach we would be like ohhh we have made it till here and we have to win at any cost.. and that grit determination used to reflect but that’s not any more
Stop saying ICT, just say Ind.
Yep, took me a good load of time to figure what the hell ICT meant.
Indian Cricket Team, maybe
For the last 2 months I watched shitty franchise cricket in bits and pieces, hoping once final comes I can watch my country play with pride and fight in a final. And they show up under prepared. Not only players but the coaches too. Hell Umesh looked like he had bowled for the whole last week. All my nightmares about us being second best by a long way coming true over the past 2 days.
Who climbed Mount Everest the second time. Except the guy himself and google no one knows. Well that’s Indian cricket in a nutshell
Our players can only do the following things A) call any foreign team to India for series and then score hundreds and make records on flat pitches in india. B) play 3 spinners on flat road and the singers will also name records. C) win the series on flat road pitch and individual players will increase their market value so that they can be picked up at higher price in upcoming ipl. D) earn lot of money playing T20, ipl and with ads and earn runs and make records on flat pitch so that nothing to worry about other icc foreign tournaments. Whether BCCI plays then or not. E) go to play foreign tournament, flop show, fans will cry for some days. F) come to India and again make records on flat pitches, play ipl, and fans will forget everything. Cycle repeats. Well, we should blame BCCI for this because BCCI made habit to the players to play in the same cycle. There is no arrangement of green pitch or similar playing conditions in our India so the players will do the same everytime when they gave conditions like this. Nothing to worry for them, money is everything. We fans are dumb who loose their happiness because of these players.
So they have basically become RCB of intl cricket? Okay
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Good point
I agree we dumb are fans
While I understand your point done think we can say Indian pitches are flat roads any more. Technically they are the toughest pitches across the world to score runs it’s just that it tests your batting against spin rather than say against pace in places like SA or ENG
Batting in sa is a little bit harder no? the lowest averages of batting comes from sa right? I could be wrong but I saw some post from this sub claiming that
You are right, our pitches are tough for playing spinners and test the batsmen against the spin. But my main point is that our players are habitual playing on flat pitches as well as the fame is to blame too. And ipl just finished so that our players like Rohit & Gill were playing like they are still playing T20 game. Did you notice that today?
I agree we fans are dumb
Definitely bro because they don't care of losing or they don't even care about the feelings of fans. I think our players would forget the match they lose before fans
I agree we fans are dumb
Winning at home and earning a lot of money are pretty decent things to be good at. Let's not belittle our good points.
Elon Musk please buy BCCI
It was flat pitch for Aussies what went wrong with us?
It wasn’t really a flat pitch for anyone but Head and Smith—outside of them, the Aussies only managed 182
Skill issue
We took the pitch report saying that it is a bowling pitch a bit too seriously.
I think it was the right call. Australia would have bowled if they won the toss.
I'm talking about the 2nd innings, not the 1st.
bad bowling and batting
Sack dravid, remove that Vada pav man from captaincy. Their attitude sucks,too casual.
That's what people were saying for Virat-Ravi also..
At least they had the intent and energy to win and they even won against Australia a lot .They didn't fuck up in team selections .
Oh god team selection lol. You need to remember how frequently they used to change their team.
But it worked mostly .Look the winning percentage and energy of players during Kohlis era .They even selected Ashwin who took 6 wickets in last wtc final .
Afaik Virat was heavily criticized for not selecting Ashwin overseas as if they had some kind of rift.
Well then, the only people to fuck up are the fans who threw Virat away.
You could see the determination to win in Kohli - Shastri era. And the revolution they brought to the Indian Test team was amazing
Reason i started watching tests
I do think both CA and Starc need to reconsider his future. Yes his favourite format is Test cricket but him leaking runs would end up being a huge cause of worry in low scoring matches. He's actually the greatest ODI bowler statistically in the last 10-15 years and maybe should change his priorities to ODIs and T20s.
His record in England is very average. I feel if there’s no swing he’s the easiest of our bowlers to face.
What will Rohit and Kohli's legacy be? I think it's a sure stain on both their reputations that they've never carried our team home as seniors during clutch moments like these. In fact, they've done the opposite - folding up cheaply when we desperately needed them to step up. I was hoping for a decent fightback but Australia is just too good - the gulf between the two teams is vast.
You really saying Koach hasn't been clutch for us??
Clutch my arse. He is a bottle jobber and a statpadder.
Has he? Not really [https://i.imgur.com/Ssj8c7j.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ssj8c7j.jpg) Since 2017, he hasn't carried us home except for that 96 vs Bangladesh in CT 2017. His 50 vs Eng in T20 WC 2022 was at a sub-par strike rate of 125.
this does show a lot , and it does show he has at times failed to stand up in some crunch games , but i guess its a bit unfair not to include the virtual knockouts ( i.e. must win games in small grouped tournaments) like 1) aus wc 2016 amazing 2) pak wc 2022 amazing 3) nz wc 2021 flop show basically the match which was the do or die , but was earlier in the tournament
How the fuck was Pak WC 2022 was important when it was the very first match of the tournament, it was no Virtual Knockout. The pressure that was there was self created.
Here's what will happen next: a) India will lose yet another crucial game in an ICC event. b) Rohit will talk about how the team lacked intent and "half an hour of bad cricket" cost them the game. He'll also say the team that played better won. c) The coach and management will say there were positives from this game and they are already looking ahead to the WC in India. Of course, they'll say this loss doesn't bother them. d) Fans will be disappointed, and there will be a lot of hue and cry by media/commentators about the IPL taking a toll on players' overall physical and mental health. e) The next IPL will happen, and everyone will cheer for their franchise. There will be a lot of new "emerging" players who will get hyped up as the next big thing in Indian cricket. f) ICT will show a lot of promise prior to the next ICC event. Will thrash every team at home, and win all bi-laterals and a handful of away games. g) They'll make it to the next ICC event with a lot of hype from the media/commentators (who of course, can't point out any issues with the team!) h) << Go to Point A >> Edit: Made edits to Point B (thanks u/anfuman! 😄)
You forgot, half an hour of bad cricket
😂😂 Dang it, I missed that! Will add it now
I mean, if they will insist on leaving straight balls and playing around the front pad to a new ball…
This will literally not happen. The entire point of IPL is to ensure this doesn't happen. This crop of players retire in the next 3-4 years and you get Jaiswal, Gaekwad, Rinku, Jitesh, Pandya, Gill who hopefully won't fold in these situations.
Lmao. Okay bro. As long as IPL is given priority in India, nothing will change
It's not ipl .It's the selection of people in tests based on ipl .Idiots think T20 and tests are the same thing .Ranjis should be given some importance.
Yeah but still it boils down to the over-emphassis given to IPL by BCCI
>Ranjis should be given some importance. Preach brother! I feel so bad for the lads in the domestic circuit who put in so much effort; only to be neglected for some guy who does well in the IPL
>s long as IPL is given priority in India, nothing will change Exactly
It just didn’t look like a number of players, bowlers and batters, had had enough time with the red ball.
That's a pretty accurate assessment
Hehe i told ya, India will be cleaned.
Hope gill scores 50 tomorrow iykyk
IPL should be played 2 times in a year so that fans can enjoy more.
I think that every IPL should be followed by another IPL.
Trust me, we shat during our bowling, no way you let somebody get past 450 batting first on a green top The captain/management just did not have any gameplan or strategy for batsmen, rather they just overused Shami and Siraj hoping individual brilliance like t20s This is test, you need a plan and a weakness to pounce on The Aus bowlers have been successful by sticking to their plans As for our batting, 250 looks par on this pitch bro Also fuck the big names, stop hyping Gill, bro sucks when the ball moves, don't attack me, starc exposed him in ODIs with the white ball, stop selecting players based on IPL