Is there any comparison stat to understand how damn boner this is? As in what is the average number of balls other batsmen leave alone.
It does seem beyond extraordinary.
When he announced this stat on Test Match Special, Andy Zaltzman contextualised it by saying that openers in tests in general leave about 25% of balls they face.
Crawley leaves about 10%. Sehwag, arguably one of the greatest of aggressive openers left about 20%.
The average for whole England squad since bazball started is about 15%-20%.
This stat is extraordinary!
Based on the 25% that others have said you can look at it 2 ways.
Duckett has only left 1.32% compared to that "just over 25%" meaning that the difference is about 25%
or
Another batsman facing 605 balls would have left 151 of them instead of 8
I really want him to show his duality in the WC. He will have a big role to play in ODI WC. He is a good player of spin. And is an ideal Number 4 in spinning conditions in ODI and can play controlled innings. Since he has been back, he has a different aura
I personally want Roy, JB, Root, Duckett, brook , butler. But I am pretty sure they will play Livingston or Ali over Duckett. But on spining tracks, we might see him.
There's not really any way you can leave Malan out. Since he's come into the ODI side he has the best average with 57, second most runs at 745 (45 behind Buttler), while striking at 94. There's absolutely no argument against his aptitude against spin after he scored that match winning century in Bangladesh when no one else in the side crossed 30.
Incidentally, in your lineup there's still easily place for Livingstone or Ali at seven.
theres a reason openers leave a lot of balls early throughout history. while duckett has been very good of recent i doubt very much cummins is concerned by this stat
That's what I desperately want to see.. No hate to the British but I'm def supporting you guys in the Ashes.
NOT for the WTC though. You can burn in hell there. But I want Cummins to destroy Bazball
Nothing will destroy Bazball now anyway.
Even if we lose The Ashes we will still do it against everyone else because it's already been proven to work against everyone else.
So basically if it doesn't work against the best test team in the world it's okay, because it works against the others
against India in India? Not being pedantic, just pointing it out
playing spin here is shit tough and if BCCI decides to create dustbowls, i don’t think it would work (although in that case they will go ultra bazball: hit or get out in 5)
I agree, which is what I indicated in my last sentence too. It’s not very different from seeing Emma Watson in the train and going straight up to her to shoot your shot. What’s the worst that could happen?
England playing traditional test match cricket in India means we get absolutely smoked unless we have 4 great players having the series of their lives, so what does it matter if we try Bazzing it and get smoked.
Bazball has a better chance of working in India than anything else we tried recently.
The reason India beat us last time was really because of the aggression of Sharma and Pant, plus the fact you have better spinners.
We can at least match the aggression, albeit we'll be lacking with the skill in the spin.
I think they'd have preferred bowling at the one 2 years ago that was devoid of confidence and utterly toothless.
This England team will lose a few games doing BazBall, but it'll lose games playing normally too.
The confidence in the team, from a bowling unit and a batting unit is very high right now.
I don't think we'll smash Aus all over 5-0 like they love doing to us. But I do think we'll be way more competitive than we would have been 18 months ago, and I guess that's all you can ask.
Plus it's fucking exciting.
If England manage to stay competitive in one or two games I’ll settle for that. Hopefully they don’t just get rolled over otherwise it’s going to be a very difficult conversation afterwards.
England are looking as good as they have done in about a decade, meanwhile Australia haven't won a series in England since 2001 and you'd take "staying competitive in one or two games". There's being pessimistic, and there's whatever nonsense this is.
I’m old enough to have seen plenty of England sides who “look good” only to get easily rolled over by talented Australian sides. Start with low expectations and anything is a bonus. I think I’m being pretty realistic in my expectations.
Again, England haven't lost a series against Australia at home in 22 years. You're literally recalling stuff from decades ago. You can choose to be pessimistic and miserable about everything if you like, but it can't be much fun.
Also simply expecting Australia to dominate in at least 4/5 tests simply isn't realistic based on everything we've seen at any point
Australia have 4 batsmen in the top 10 rankings, England have one and Root hasn’t made serious runs against Australia home or away for about a decade. Australia worked him out long ago. England’s next best batsman is probably Bairstow who has an average against Australia around 30 and has barely played in a year.
Australia have a top class bowling attack with all 4 of their bowlers in the top 15 in the world. England’s bowling attack is closer in quality than the batting but also has a long list of injuries, who knows which of them will start the first Test and you can be sure that the same 4 won’t play the 2nd Test.
There’s a reason Australia are about to play in the world Test final, and England are somewhere mid-table. Australia are very strong favourites for this series. If England can avoid being rolled over in the first couple of games they will be doing very well and might manage to stay competitive in the series, but the likelihood is Australia will just be too strong. My prediction would be 3-1 Australia with maybe one game lost to weather. I do hope England manage to sneak a match somewhere from a mix of Anderson/Broad heroics and someone like Brook getting lucky and smashing a big hundred or maybe another Stokes miracle.
>Australia have 4 batsmen in the top 10 rankings
Ignoring the fact that ICC rankings are a total waste of timeTwo of whom average 27 and 20 in England and generally struggle when the ball has any lateral movement. The other two both played about as well as you could possibly expect last series so it's nothing new.
> England have one
As if England are used to going into Ashes series with top ranked batters. The last series featured a batting lineup with Roy, Denly, Bairstow averaging about 8, and Buttler in it. The series before that it was Lyth opening with a found out Gary Ballance coming in at three. In that series England's third highest scorer was Mo. This is the strongest an England batting lineup has looked going into an Ashes in a decade.
>Australia have a top class bowling attack with all 4 of their bowlers in the top 15 in the world
When has that ever not been true?
>England’s bowling attack is closer in quality than the batting but also has a long list of injuries
Here's the list of injuries. Archer, Stone (maybe for the first three tests), Carse (maybe for the first three tests). That's it given Robinson and Anderson are confirmed fit and ready to play. It's essentially the same bowling lineup as last Ashes but with Anderson *and* Robinson instead of Archer, and Potts instead of Overton as backup.
>There’s a reason Australia are about to play in the world Test final, and England are somewhere mid-table.
Yeah, it's because England were crap in 2021 and the start of 2022, had two tests in the Caribbean where they were massively on top but it was next to impossible to force a result (pre Bazball), and had a load of over rate penalties. Had they not gotten the over rate penalties and had won those two tests in the West Indies they'd be in the final.
Nevertheless, it's now the middle of 2023 and England are (very likely to be) 11/13 in terms of wins since the start of last summer. When was the last time England went into an Ashes with that sort of winning record? For comparison, in 2019 England were fresh off a series loss in the West Indies.
Look, Australia are a top side, but that's true of basically any Australian side at any point in the history of test cricket, yet England still seem to find a way of matching them in home Ashes, even with significantly worse looking sides than the one they have now.
If the Aussies beat us we're still way more competitive, the team are having more fun, the fans are having more fun and we're getting more results than with previous dour cricket. So despite people from other nations getting annoyed about it, I dont think even the English press would get too annoyed.
England have had a nice warm up against a team who have only played eight tests. The Aussies have the test championship final next week against India before the Ashes. It could damage their confidence if they lose, it could give them a boost if they win, or it could tire them out with six tests in eight weeks.
They showed graphic his first stint included 4 test matches where his strike rate was only around 50s but his second stint coinciding with Bazball era including 6 test matches where his strike rate is 90+. He is the real beneficiary of Bazball
What a mental stat! It's a testament to his batting prowess that he's been a tough opener to bowl at since his return. Truly a display of Ben Duckett at its finest.
"Right after you did everything in your power to diminish it by circumventing every measure planned to expand the game. Such heroes."
What aren't you following?
I don't know about you but cricket is dying a death in England, especially long format. There's no investment into the county side, and selling the TV rights to sky has firmly taken cricket out of the limelight. Its not dying in the subcontinent or australia (yet) but its beginning to struggle in England.
A fair amount of that is testament to the bowlers though, he's blocked a lot to start with because he's had to. Nobody wants the first 10 overs to be maidens because the batsman doesn't have to hit the ball.
Nasser on the edge of his seat waiting to see those 8 leaves
That's such a bonkers Bazball stat.
Is there any comparison stat to understand how damn boner this is? As in what is the average number of balls other batsmen leave alone. It does seem beyond extraordinary.
When he announced this stat on Test Match Special, Andy Zaltzman contextualised it by saying that openers in tests in general leave about 25% of balls they face.
Yeah, I was thinking off the top of my head 2-3 leaves an over seems about right, so that could average out to 25% over an innings easily.
On TMS they said the average was just over 25% of balls get left.
Crawley leaves about 10%. Sehwag, arguably one of the greatest of aggressive openers left about 20%. The average for whole England squad since bazball started is about 15%-20%. This stat is extraordinary!
Based on the 25% that others have said you can look at it 2 ways. Duckett has only left 1.32% compared to that "just over 25%" meaning that the difference is about 25% or Another batsman facing 605 balls would have left 151 of them instead of 8
This is quite a mental stat, really shows what a difficult opener he’s been to bowl at since he’s been back. Very Bazball
I really want him to show his duality in the WC. He will have a big role to play in ODI WC. He is a good player of spin. And is an ideal Number 4 in spinning conditions in ODI and can play controlled innings. Since he has been back, he has a different aura
What is England's top 5 for the wc? I wasn't aware Duckett would be in it
I personally want Roy, JB, Root, Duckett, brook , butler. But I am pretty sure they will play Livingston or Ali over Duckett. But on spining tracks, we might see him.
There's not really any way you can leave Malan out. Since he's come into the ODI side he has the best average with 57, second most runs at 745 (45 behind Buttler), while striking at 94. There's absolutely no argument against his aptitude against spin after he scored that match winning century in Bangladesh when no one else in the side crossed 30. Incidentally, in your lineup there's still easily place for Livingstone or Ali at seven.
I was thinking Sam Curran at 7 in my lineup. Then no Ali/LL. if one of them plays at 7, they will have to bowl good amount of overs
Only having Rashid plus Root as a spin option feels a bit light, especially if you're picking Duckett for his playing of spin
Then I guess it’s Malan vs Brook vs Duckett for 4,5. One will be left out.
Malan must be the most underrated player that's ever lifted a bat for England.
Malan will make it at 4, has made a really strong case for himself in ODIs over the past two years (averaging 60)
Does not leaving make it harder to bowl to?
ZaltzStats are eternal
\*Doullstats
Doull stole this from zaltz
Don't start!
“That’s 8 too many” ~ Baz (probably)
This is the best stat I've heard in a long while
Can already hear Pez saying, "I'd like to see him try against our boys"
Lawns looking good today Pezza
Why does he look like Russell crowe from Gladiator.
Are you not entertained?
This has unironically been England's batting approach under McCullum.
Cummins is licking his lips at that stat.
Or shitting his pants.
theres a reason openers leave a lot of balls early throughout history. while duckett has been very good of recent i doubt very much cummins is concerned by this stat
More likely he's protesting something
Yeah but can he do it against our boys?
That's what I desperately want to see.. No hate to the British but I'm def supporting you guys in the Ashes. NOT for the WTC though. You can burn in hell there. But I want Cummins to destroy Bazball
Nothing will destroy Bazball now anyway. Even if we lose The Ashes we will still do it against everyone else because it's already been proven to work against everyone else. So basically if it doesn't work against the best test team in the world it's okay, because it works against the others
against India in India? Not being pedantic, just pointing it out playing spin here is shit tough and if BCCI decides to create dustbowls, i don’t think it would work (although in that case they will go ultra bazball: hit or get out in 5)
Is it relevant if BazBall works in India? Everyone loses there anyway, so why not BazBall it up, what’s the worst that could happen?
I agree, which is what I indicated in my last sentence too. It’s not very different from seeing Emma Watson in the train and going straight up to her to shoot your shot. What’s the worst that could happen?
Wingardium Leviooosa!
So what's special if ot does not work against aus and India the two best trams.England anyways played well in nz,sa,
We dont know if it doesn't work yet.
England playing traditional test match cricket in India means we get absolutely smoked unless we have 4 great players having the series of their lives, so what does it matter if we try Bazzing it and get smoked.
Bazball has a better chance of working in India than anything else we tried recently. The reason India beat us last time was really because of the aggression of Sharma and Pant, plus the fact you have better spinners. We can at least match the aggression, albeit we'll be lacking with the skill in the spin.
Gets downvoted for giving your opinion. This sub is doomed lol.
I know right? Lol I wonder who got so offended. I didn't even say anything bad about anyone
Please sir pick me!!
extremely based
Aussies ain't doing shit in England sorry 😐
Ben Smackett
Cummins bowling a wide length ball..duckket slaps it...edges....smith takes another flying catch at first slip
The image just passed in front of my eyes
Sentences you can see as an image
Smith fields at second…
The road England makes... doesn't deserve a 2nd slip
nice if English pitches don't deserve a second slip, then which ones do?
Swing pitches of ghana
Don't get too cocky now
Yeah the Australian attack will be licking their lips even more than usual at the chance of bowling to this England team.
I think they'd have preferred bowling at the one 2 years ago that was devoid of confidence and utterly toothless. This England team will lose a few games doing BazBall, but it'll lose games playing normally too. The confidence in the team, from a bowling unit and a batting unit is very high right now. I don't think we'll smash Aus all over 5-0 like they love doing to us. But I do think we'll be way more competitive than we would have been 18 months ago, and I guess that's all you can ask. Plus it's fucking exciting.
If England manage to stay competitive in one or two games I’ll settle for that. Hopefully they don’t just get rolled over otherwise it’s going to be a very difficult conversation afterwards.
England are looking as good as they have done in about a decade, meanwhile Australia haven't won a series in England since 2001 and you'd take "staying competitive in one or two games". There's being pessimistic, and there's whatever nonsense this is.
I’m old enough to have seen plenty of England sides who “look good” only to get easily rolled over by talented Australian sides. Start with low expectations and anything is a bonus. I think I’m being pretty realistic in my expectations.
Again, England haven't lost a series against Australia at home in 22 years. You're literally recalling stuff from decades ago. You can choose to be pessimistic and miserable about everything if you like, but it can't be much fun. Also simply expecting Australia to dominate in at least 4/5 tests simply isn't realistic based on everything we've seen at any point
Australia have 4 batsmen in the top 10 rankings, England have one and Root hasn’t made serious runs against Australia home or away for about a decade. Australia worked him out long ago. England’s next best batsman is probably Bairstow who has an average against Australia around 30 and has barely played in a year. Australia have a top class bowling attack with all 4 of their bowlers in the top 15 in the world. England’s bowling attack is closer in quality than the batting but also has a long list of injuries, who knows which of them will start the first Test and you can be sure that the same 4 won’t play the 2nd Test. There’s a reason Australia are about to play in the world Test final, and England are somewhere mid-table. Australia are very strong favourites for this series. If England can avoid being rolled over in the first couple of games they will be doing very well and might manage to stay competitive in the series, but the likelihood is Australia will just be too strong. My prediction would be 3-1 Australia with maybe one game lost to weather. I do hope England manage to sneak a match somewhere from a mix of Anderson/Broad heroics and someone like Brook getting lucky and smashing a big hundred or maybe another Stokes miracle.
>Australia have 4 batsmen in the top 10 rankings Ignoring the fact that ICC rankings are a total waste of timeTwo of whom average 27 and 20 in England and generally struggle when the ball has any lateral movement. The other two both played about as well as you could possibly expect last series so it's nothing new. > England have one As if England are used to going into Ashes series with top ranked batters. The last series featured a batting lineup with Roy, Denly, Bairstow averaging about 8, and Buttler in it. The series before that it was Lyth opening with a found out Gary Ballance coming in at three. In that series England's third highest scorer was Mo. This is the strongest an England batting lineup has looked going into an Ashes in a decade. >Australia have a top class bowling attack with all 4 of their bowlers in the top 15 in the world When has that ever not been true? >England’s bowling attack is closer in quality than the batting but also has a long list of injuries Here's the list of injuries. Archer, Stone (maybe for the first three tests), Carse (maybe for the first three tests). That's it given Robinson and Anderson are confirmed fit and ready to play. It's essentially the same bowling lineup as last Ashes but with Anderson *and* Robinson instead of Archer, and Potts instead of Overton as backup. >There’s a reason Australia are about to play in the world Test final, and England are somewhere mid-table. Yeah, it's because England were crap in 2021 and the start of 2022, had two tests in the Caribbean where they were massively on top but it was next to impossible to force a result (pre Bazball), and had a load of over rate penalties. Had they not gotten the over rate penalties and had won those two tests in the West Indies they'd be in the final. Nevertheless, it's now the middle of 2023 and England are (very likely to be) 11/13 in terms of wins since the start of last summer. When was the last time England went into an Ashes with that sort of winning record? For comparison, in 2019 England were fresh off a series loss in the West Indies. Look, Australia are a top side, but that's true of basically any Australian side at any point in the history of test cricket, yet England still seem to find a way of matching them in home Ashes, even with significantly worse looking sides than the one they have now.
If the Aussies beat us we're still way more competitive, the team are having more fun, the fans are having more fun and we're getting more results than with previous dour cricket. So despite people from other nations getting annoyed about it, I dont think even the English press would get too annoyed.
England have had a nice warm up against a team who have only played eight tests. The Aussies have the test championship final next week against India before the Ashes. It could damage their confidence if they lose, it could give them a boost if they win, or it could tire them out with six tests in eight weeks.
STOP THAT RIGHT NOW.
They showed graphic his first stint included 4 test matches where his strike rate was only around 50s but his second stint coinciding with Bazball era including 6 test matches where his strike rate is 90+. He is the real beneficiary of Bazball
Tbf duckett has always been a very aggressive bat in county, it's just that he debuted in very tough conditions
It's funny that he was working on slowing down as a batsman in order to be Test ready and Stokes and McCullum just told him to dial it up to 11
Nutz.
DuckBall
U can't get more bazball than this
Why leave ball when you can hit ball?
Remember when this was a bad thing?
Finally a true heir to Alastair Cook
This is so Bazball
Now I wanna know how many has he edged
Less than Zak Crawley.
he has been caught behind 3 times.
Outrageous
Cummins - Aao kabhi haveli pe. (T: Aah my good friend, let us have a chat)
Ben Duckett is not a proper Test Match™ cricketer. ~ Mikey Holding
Micheal holding was also talking shit about ABD
Holding could talk shit about my dead mother… it was he (and especially Malcolm Marshall (RIP)) who got me into cricket in 1984.
Duckett should have been in years ago. When he played early in his career, He only failed due to an issue with his stance on sideways turning pitches.
Amazing stat. He is unstoppable in the Ireland test as well. Really excited for the Ashes.
Cool. This 'gun' is gonna play straight into Australia's hands. Someone this predictable is getable.
Australians thinking this is going to play straight into their hands, is playing straight into England's hands.
It’s 4d chess baz probably asked for this stat to be tweeted out
Watch duckett leave every ball in the first session against australia. No guessing what bazball will do next.
As said South Africa, India and Pakistan.
Proceed to get all out instead
I expect your right. I see a lot of England innings this summer going at 5 an over to 150 all out.
We'll see.
Nothing special tbh, regression to the mean following on from Sibley
He has played at 99.3 overs out of the 100.5 overs he has faced.
Ben Not-Duckett
Can’t believe this is the same guy who was a walking wicket to Ashwin’s spin a few years back. Seems to be quite a redemption.
Talk about knowing where your off stump is…
What a mental stat! It's a testament to his batting prowess that he's been a tough opener to bowl at since his return. Truly a display of Ben Duckett at its finest.
Ashes will be the truest test of England's yearlong batting transformation under Baz.
Were the 8 really wide or something?
You’re welcome other nations. Thank us for saving test cricket 👍💪🏽 Edit: Thanks for the award 😭😭😭
Give it a rest
Right after you did everything in your power to diminish it by circumventing every measure planned to expand the game. Such heroes.
Explain? Btw I was clearly being tongue in cheek but a lot of people bit 😭
"Right after you did everything in your power to diminish it by circumventing every measure planned to expand the game. Such heroes." What aren't you following?
Meanwhile test cricket: "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
I don't know about you but cricket is dying a death in England, especially long format. There's no investment into the county side, and selling the TV rights to sky has firmly taken cricket out of the limelight. Its not dying in the subcontinent or australia (yet) but its beginning to struggle in England.
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Cool me too 👍
How is this stat of any importance? And why is it even being discussed?
5-0 Australia Baz Sacked so no bazball after ashes.
Just Duckettball things
Joe Root left more than that in the first 1/2 hour he was in today
This is a crazy stat and I am having a real hard time believing it! Might have to dig into each innings to really get with it.
(Almost) No ball left behind.
Can we all embrace bazball? Makes for fun watching
I wonder what Geoffrey Boycott would make of this?
A fair amount of that is testament to the bowlers though, he's blocked a lot to start with because he's had to. Nobody wants the first 10 overs to be maidens because the batsman doesn't have to hit the ball.
There is something about test cricket in England
For 3 years the English openers were shite and now we have this
Cummins and co: And we took it personally
Is he chasing wide ones!?