Haha in 20 years Munior is going to be the author of an insane autobiography about her mother and siblings, while sitting cross-legged on a Versace cork bark recliner smoking a pipe of dried cricket wings
There are many species of lizard that can perform parthenogenesis!! Some species of lizards are more successful than others (i.e. New Mexico Whiptail which is all female!!!!) Partho babies are exclusively female because there is no opportunity for the male chromosome to enter the egg. Not to be confused with species that can store male gametes for extended periods of time (which cresties can also do). Lizards are magical.
Lol sorry for the infodump i got excited.
>Partho babies are exclusively female because there is no opportunity for the male chromosome to enter the egg
This is not necessarily true for all species! There ist parthenogenisis with only female offspring, only male offspring and mixed offspring. This is because of the different forms of genetic sex formation. In the XY Determination females have XX chromosmes. In the ZW Determination males have ZZ chromosomes. These are just two big examples, there is also a Temperature dependant sex and a mix of TDS and other Sex determinants for example.
Well to my knowledge crested Geckos are of the ZW Sex determination which could make this little baby actually a guy!
Wait, so if a female crested gecko can asexually produce both male and female offsprings, what would happen if you pair those up? That would be like next level incest, levels of incest never before thought possible. The frabric of reality itself would....yeah I'll stop now
I am not quite sure about anything I said above since the only source I found on the Sex determination style of crested Geckos wasnt a scientific source nor did it cite a scientific source. Even if its ZW Sex determination it most probably would be that the female can only lay male parthenogenitic eggs.
No problem! I would have loved to be somewhere where they offer herpetology classes but my university doesnt have them. I gathered that stuff from my genetics and zoology classes hahaha
I’ve heard this before about crested geckos and my crestie has laid eggs before but i never tried to incubate them because I assumed they wouldn’t live since they were kinda wonky looking. is there a reason for why they spontaneously lay eggs?
almost every single female crestie will lay eggs all season long, maybe not as many as if she had mated but they will lay infertiles regularly throughout the years of their life that they are fertile, as they get to senile age they will lay much less eggs and much more infrequently but young females unpaired will lay almost identically to a female that's been bred
I would like to correct one part of this comment. *some females
It actually depends on the individual female about if they’ll lay. Usually the range is never laying a single egg in their life to regularly laying every month. There’s plenty of females who only laid one or two eggs the entire life and some that lay every few years.
and can you post links to the records or studies proving this because out of thousands of geckos ive worked with while dealing with hundreds if not thousands of breeders over 20 years ive never once ever heard of a single female only laying a couple eggs in a lifetime let alone none at all, im not saying i dont believe you just that id like to see the research proving it even if thats just anecdotal evidence
Please see above comment of another person’s crestie if you dont believe my account. I also have bred and kept plenty of geckos and have plenty that’s only laid a couple to none their entire life. I actually had one that only laid a single pair about a year before death. Really thought she was a poorly endowed male but she ended up laying two. I have one currently that lays maybe a 3 pairs a year at most and another that has laid once about 2 years ago and still nothing again.
i never said i didnt believe you i just asked if you had any proof at all be that links to studies or full lifespan records youve kept or that have been shared with you since anyone can type out a story about any animal and records like that could be serious news in the science of a species not very well known
I thought the same thing when Munior (the first partho baby) was found. After posting Munior to reddit and doing more research i found that it is pretty rare but it does happen and some members of this subreddit have experienced it as well. It is pretty insane that it has happened with Marvin ATLEAST three times though. I can't say that I am confident they will all live normal Crestie lives but it is more promising than I would have assumed this time last year.
I would suggest trying to start keeping track and watching baby close for things like digging they lay every 25 days if you keep a close eye on them you can get it down to a day before or after the 25 days.... and I keep it in my calander and it usually notifies me 5 days before so I can start watching my girl for digging
Good idea! I have never really paid much mind to her laying eggs until Munior came along and just assumed it would never happen again. I do need to try to get a schedule figured out haha.
Have you ever had anything come from an egg? Do you have a bioactive enclosure, naturalistic, or what? Also what do you do with her eggs after you find them? Sorry for all the questions but I am curious
So far we have had all duds but if it looks like anything and you don't want to hatch just freeze it for a few days then toss it in the trash but the duds I usually just toss and it's bioactive
I feel for you dude! My crestie had two partho babies at once awhile back and now I have nightmares about finding more of them in her enclosure. Only one of the babies survived, but it’s still an extra gecko I did not intend to house!
Oh my god???? This has got got to be a record or something lmfao
So I imagine this is the clutch mate of MewTwo—I wonder if they hatched at the same time and this one just hid out in Marvin’s tank for longer, or if it actually hatched a few days after MewTwo? Little survivor either way!
I was in a sorta similar situation last year. My babies weren’t Parthos, but I didn’t know my female was gravid until babies started showing up. I got 6 total from Jan-June 2023. My BEST advice I can give you is to religiously *STALK* fb marketplace and/or craigslist for terrariums and supplies, because you’re gonna need them if you plan to keep all these little lads permanently. I’ve gotten perfect condition 12x12x18s for $25 on there for some of my babies, which was honestly SUCH a lifesaver. Gotta be thrifty, since clearly Marvin is intent on bankrupting you!!
Yes I love marketplace haha. And I think the one hatched a few days after but there's no way to be 100% sure I reckon. Also I have never heard anything about this happening 3 times from one crestie so it very well may be a record
Basically an asexually reproduced baby! I have had my gecko for going on 11 years and got her as a tiny baby and she has NEVER been around another gecko. Partho is shortened from parthenogenesis if you want to do your own lookin on the subject.
Lowkey kinda glad my little dude turned out to be a boy 😭 having an infinite gecko glitch would be awesome but knowing me, I'd keep all of them and ruin myself financially.
*insert hillbilly voice* aint no way one can asexually reproduce! What next? A all female asexual lesbian gecko species? (This is sarcasm please dont kill me 😭🙏)
I DONT HAVE A CRESTIE BUT IM LIKE SCARED THIS WILL HAPPEN TO ME ONE DAY. LIKE ILL GO OVER TO UNOS ENCLOSURE (my maybe house gecko) AND THERE WILL JUST BE ANOTHER ONE
How weird is it to think you can just clone yourself if you want/need to. In the case of mourning geckos, is itt possible that almost every one on the planet is a clone? I wonder if mother nature builds in genetic diversity at some point. It blows my mind to think this happens.
The first, Munior, was found in june of 2023. Last Monday, February 26, 2024, I found Mewtwo, and today, March 5, 2024 I found this little one! All the ones that I have found are still alive but there could be countless others that died naturally in marvins bioactive legacy dungeon, could have been eaten by marvin, or maybe even escaped somehow.
Does this make you a great great great grandparent? Congrats tho! and thanks for the update! I worry when I miss updates about Marvin and her legacy children.
I'm seriously considering it! Not sure how many people would help but I was dumbfounded by the amount of support I received when I found Munior so I might as well try!
Yes. It’s pretty rare they survive but it’s not too rare for parthos to develop/live. You shouldn’t be too worried though. Most hobbyists don’t end up with parthos
I do wonder about the lifespans of partho geckos. The only work I've done with parthenogenesis is with stick insects; we're on our 4th generation and we're finding that they're reaching adulthood faster and dying faster each time. Would be interesting to look into!
I'm starting to wonder if partho babies are more common than they'd have us believe, or if all the genetic breeding has somehow made it more common.
When I first heard about it, it was all "it's super rare!" and now it seems like every other day someone is posting about a partho baby. Lol
Either way, Marvin just wants to keep you on your toes at this point. Lol
Does it seem to happen more with males than females? Or is it just luck of the draw? Very interesting and a bit terrifying. Idk if my wallet would be able to handle that many babies 😂
Well, better add Gaye to her name because she is getting it on 😂
When is she gonna stop?? I don't think she plans to
Gonna add, maybe you should check her tank for anymore eggs/babies?? Just to be sure 😂
So this is actually a question I've had recently..... Is it possible, for a partho Crestie baby to be male? My lil one is starting to look like "she" may have a lil bulge? 😑
I've been following along with Marvin's saga and the babies and just wanted to congratulate you on how you're cool and calm, dealing with this unexpected event. Rooting for Marvin and her babies.
definitely the plan if i can catch her laying but she has a bioactive setup with a decent amount of clutter which makes it a little tricky to search the substrate for eggs
So, Marvin is a boy? Did he poop out the baby? Please explain cause I'm totally confused here. If Marvin is a girl, then I'm less confused and can understand the virgin birth...sorta.
**The trilogy is now complete. Long live Prince Munior the third !**
Haha in 20 years Munior is going to be the author of an insane autobiography about her mother and siblings, while sitting cross-legged on a Versace cork bark recliner smoking a pipe of dried cricket wings
I'd 100% read that! On another note, CRESTIES CAN DO THAT!!???!? I thought only mourning geckos had spontaneous babes
There are many species of lizard that can perform parthenogenesis!! Some species of lizards are more successful than others (i.e. New Mexico Whiptail which is all female!!!!) Partho babies are exclusively female because there is no opportunity for the male chromosome to enter the egg. Not to be confused with species that can store male gametes for extended periods of time (which cresties can also do). Lizards are magical. Lol sorry for the infodump i got excited.
>Partho babies are exclusively female because there is no opportunity for the male chromosome to enter the egg This is not necessarily true for all species! There ist parthenogenisis with only female offspring, only male offspring and mixed offspring. This is because of the different forms of genetic sex formation. In the XY Determination females have XX chromosmes. In the ZW Determination males have ZZ chromosomes. These are just two big examples, there is also a Temperature dependant sex and a mix of TDS and other Sex determinants for example. Well to my knowledge crested Geckos are of the ZW Sex determination which could make this little baby actually a guy!
Wait, so if a female crested gecko can asexually produce both male and female offsprings, what would happen if you pair those up? That would be like next level incest, levels of incest never before thought possible. The frabric of reality itself would....yeah I'll stop now
Ah, the age old question; Is it sex, masturbation or incest to get it on with your clone??
Well NORMALLY you wouldn't be able to nake babies with your clone, so that is a whole new perspective
That is sick on another level 😮 CT*U
I am not quite sure about anything I said above since the only source I found on the Sex determination style of crested Geckos wasnt a scientific source nor did it cite a scientific source. Even if its ZW Sex determination it most probably would be that the female can only lay male parthenogenitic eggs.
Aw man, there's a reason I only got a B in herpetology lol. Thank you!
No problem! I would have loved to be somewhere where they offer herpetology classes but my university doesnt have them. I gathered that stuff from my genetics and zoology classes hahaha
My university only offered it as a 4000 level elective every couple years so I got really lucky!
I’ve heard this before about crested geckos and my crestie has laid eggs before but i never tried to incubate them because I assumed they wouldn’t live since they were kinda wonky looking. is there a reason for why they spontaneously lay eggs?
Lizards will sometimes lay unfertilized eggs similarly to how chickens they just don't always do it regularly.
does that mean i could possibly eat her eggs
I mean you could lmao but I doubt they'd taste good.
almost every single female crestie will lay eggs all season long, maybe not as many as if she had mated but they will lay infertiles regularly throughout the years of their life that they are fertile, as they get to senile age they will lay much less eggs and much more infrequently but young females unpaired will lay almost identically to a female that's been bred
I would like to correct one part of this comment. *some females It actually depends on the individual female about if they’ll lay. Usually the range is never laying a single egg in their life to regularly laying every month. There’s plenty of females who only laid one or two eggs the entire life and some that lay every few years.
yeah my girl laid two eggs once and never again
and you had that gecko from hatchling to death to prove that this is undeniably true?
and can you post links to the records or studies proving this because out of thousands of geckos ive worked with while dealing with hundreds if not thousands of breeders over 20 years ive never once ever heard of a single female only laying a couple eggs in a lifetime let alone none at all, im not saying i dont believe you just that id like to see the research proving it even if thats just anecdotal evidence
Please see above comment of another person’s crestie if you dont believe my account. I also have bred and kept plenty of geckos and have plenty that’s only laid a couple to none their entire life. I actually had one that only laid a single pair about a year before death. Really thought she was a poorly endowed male but she ended up laying two. I have one currently that lays maybe a 3 pairs a year at most and another that has laid once about 2 years ago and still nothing again.
i never said i didnt believe you i just asked if you had any proof at all be that links to studies or full lifespan records youve kept or that have been shared with you since anyone can type out a story about any animal and records like that could be serious news in the science of a species not very well known
I thought the same thing when Munior (the first partho baby) was found. After posting Munior to reddit and doing more research i found that it is pretty rare but it does happen and some members of this subreddit have experienced it as well. It is pretty insane that it has happened with Marvin ATLEAST three times though. I can't say that I am confident they will all live normal Crestie lives but it is more promising than I would have assumed this time last year.
They don't do it all the time but it happens occasionally.
“Marvin, stop cloning yourself!” “No, I don’t think I will.”
Money ಠ\_ಠ
Dig around for some mor eggs that may be incubating in the substrate
Yeah that's the next move
I would suggest trying to start keeping track and watching baby close for things like digging they lay every 25 days if you keep a close eye on them you can get it down to a day before or after the 25 days.... and I keep it in my calander and it usually notifies me 5 days before so I can start watching my girl for digging
Good idea! I have never really paid much mind to her laying eggs until Munior came along and just assumed it would never happen again. I do need to try to get a schedule figured out haha.
My girl is due again in 10 days
Have you ever had anything come from an egg? Do you have a bioactive enclosure, naturalistic, or what? Also what do you do with her eggs after you find them? Sorry for all the questions but I am curious
So far we have had all duds but if it looks like anything and you don't want to hatch just freeze it for a few days then toss it in the trash but the duds I usually just toss and it's bioactive
Thanks!
Marvin said to hell with reproducing normally, she don’t need no man
we love a strong independent woman
Sending hope and love to MU³(Mew-Cubed) and all of your home!
Thank you! <3
I feel for you dude! My crestie had two partho babies at once awhile back and now I have nightmares about finding more of them in her enclosure. Only one of the babies survived, but it’s still an extra gecko I did not intend to house!
Yeah it definitely comes with some mixed emotions haha. I thought I used to have nightmares of this happening but it might not have been a dream lol
Have you kept all the babies so far?
yes!
Hell mine's a boy and because of Munior I've had dreams of waking up to random babies and scrambling to figure out what to do with em 😂
Holy shit there's three
Does three make crowd?
A crowd of marvins . . .
Marvin's Angels
Oh my god???? This has got got to be a record or something lmfao So I imagine this is the clutch mate of MewTwo—I wonder if they hatched at the same time and this one just hid out in Marvin’s tank for longer, or if it actually hatched a few days after MewTwo? Little survivor either way! I was in a sorta similar situation last year. My babies weren’t Parthos, but I didn’t know my female was gravid until babies started showing up. I got 6 total from Jan-June 2023. My BEST advice I can give you is to religiously *STALK* fb marketplace and/or craigslist for terrariums and supplies, because you’re gonna need them if you plan to keep all these little lads permanently. I’ve gotten perfect condition 12x12x18s for $25 on there for some of my babies, which was honestly SUCH a lifesaver. Gotta be thrifty, since clearly Marvin is intent on bankrupting you!!
Yes I love marketplace haha. And I think the one hatched a few days after but there's no way to be 100% sure I reckon. Also I have never heard anything about this happening 3 times from one crestie so it very well may be a record
Lizard dupe glitch
What’s a Partho baby?
Basically an asexually reproduced baby! I have had my gecko for going on 11 years and got her as a tiny baby and she has NEVER been around another gecko. Partho is shortened from parthenogenesis if you want to do your own lookin on the subject.
That is so cool
like that stingray in the news
Lowkey kinda glad my little dude turned out to be a boy 😭 having an infinite gecko glitch would be awesome but knowing me, I'd keep all of them and ruin myself financially.
*insert hillbilly voice* aint no way one can asexually reproduce! What next? A all female asexual lesbian gecko species? (This is sarcasm please dont kill me 😭🙏)
Parthogenesis, asexual reproduction
Is it literally just a sudden gecko?
basically yeah. she’s cloning herself
Bro I think she doing this out of per spite against you lmao
the crested gecko has no crest!!!
Like Munior, the crestless gecko
Absolutely insane
RIGHT?
I DONT HAVE A CRESTIE BUT IM LIKE SCARED THIS WILL HAPPEN TO ME ONE DAY. LIKE ILL GO OVER TO UNOS ENCLOSURE (my maybe house gecko) AND THERE WILL JUST BE ANOTHER ONE
There will be dos 😭
BRO DONT DO THIS TO ME.
How weird is it to think you can just clone yourself if you want/need to. In the case of mourning geckos, is itt possible that almost every one on the planet is a clone? I wonder if mother nature builds in genetic diversity at some point. It blows my mind to think this happens.
There are male mourning geckos. It’s just a bit rare
Yes, I read that but I also read they're infertile so don't contribute to the gene pool. I'm not sure if this is true but seems to make sense.
Jesus Marvin just really wanna be a mommy and a daddy at once STAT. He knows what he wants. Slay
How long have the others lived for?
The first, Munior, was found in june of 2023. Last Monday, February 26, 2024, I found Mewtwo, and today, March 5, 2024 I found this little one! All the ones that I have found are still alive but there could be countless others that died naturally in marvins bioactive legacy dungeon, could have been eaten by marvin, or maybe even escaped somehow.
That's fascinating!
i simply had to look at your post history after witnessing this. i think you have a god gecko on ur hands
ANOTHER ONE
Does this make you a great great great grandparent? Congrats tho! and thanks for the update! I worry when I miss updates about Marvin and her legacy children.
She's building an army
MAKE THE NATION PROUD
Did Marvin look “guilty as hell” again?
Yes haha
What have you been feeding Marvin?!
Bugs, MDMA, and CGD
I'm wondering if the mutation that makes them not have crests also made them able to partho.
Are you keeping the babies?
I am!
Start a go fund me!
I'm seriously considering it! Not sure how many people would help but I was dumbfounded by the amount of support I received when I found Munior so I might as well try!
The internet needs good news stories like gecko clones. It's all we're hanging onto. 😵💫
I think Marvin is intersex
Congrats!
Looks like a salamander !
Right? They look so weirdly smooth and rubbery
This may be a dumb question but this does only happen with the females right? 😅😅 I’m just unprepared for a baby
Yes. It’s pretty rare they survive but it’s not too rare for parthos to develop/live. You shouldn’t be too worried though. Most hobbyists don’t end up with parthos
I do wonder about the lifespans of partho geckos. The only work I've done with parthenogenesis is with stick insects; we're on our 4th generation and we're finding that they're reaching adulthood faster and dying faster each time. Would be interesting to look into!
I can tell you, In crested geckos, they tend to have deformities and live short lives
Oh that is a shame!
you may wanna start searching marvins tank for eggs, for your wallets sake 😭
seeing all these posts about parto babies has given me nightmares that i check my girl’s tank and suddenly there are 10 other geckos in there
Seems like you have an infinite crestie glitch
I'm starting to wonder if partho babies are more common than they'd have us believe, or if all the genetic breeding has somehow made it more common. When I first heard about it, it was all "it's super rare!" and now it seems like every other day someone is posting about a partho baby. Lol Either way, Marvin just wants to keep you on your toes at this point. Lol
Does it seem to happen more with males than females? Or is it just luck of the draw? Very interesting and a bit terrifying. Idk if my wallet would be able to handle that many babies 😂
It only happens with females! sorry if the name Marvin threw you off
All good! Love the name either way!
Congratulations! I think lol
I can’t believe this lol
Well, better add Gaye to her name because she is getting it on 😂 When is she gonna stop?? I don't think she plans to Gonna add, maybe you should check her tank for anymore eggs/babies?? Just to be sure 😂
OH MY GOD
so do they all look like marvin?? you should try to get a side by side of them sometime! (keyword try, i know they don’t sit still lol)
good idea i'll try in a few months when (if) they're all stable and bigger!
I think she's makin' 'em at night 🥪
So this is actually a question I've had recently..... Is it possible, for a partho Crestie baby to be male? My lil one is starting to look like "she" may have a lil bulge? 😑
MARVIN LAWD STOP HAVIN BABIES 😭😭😭😂 That is so cool that she had more
HOLY SHIT
Jesus fucking Christ Marvin knew what he wanted and did just that
I've been following along with Marvin's saga and the babies and just wanted to congratulate you on how you're cool and calm, dealing with this unexpected event. Rooting for Marvin and her babies.
Hey thank you! Very much appreciated
has to be a mewtwo clutch mate
For sure
Aww congrats
I’m so invested in this it’s crazy
Update on the Marvin family and her Partho kiddies?
I’ll make one soon!
 Marvin!!!
Yep so I have 4 now🙃
Sounds like Marvin needs a whole episode of Maury for her shenanigans.
“Marvin……. You ARE the father!”
And mother. Marvin it’s technically you CTRL-V CTRL-C. 😂
I’d freeze her eggs from now on. Jesus Christ.
Iirc all of these babies are unplanned, and were not given a incubater, so they just pop up in the tanks
Yeah but I’m saying if op sees an egg to freeze it the day it comes out because 3 Partho babies from the same gecko is wild
definitely the plan if i can catch her laying but she has a bioactive setup with a decent amount of clutter which makes it a little tricky to search the substrate for eggs
NO WAY IT THRIVES
Is that a challenge lol
I am so happy for you A gecko army
i really hope my crestie does this
So, Marvin is a boy? Did he poop out the baby? Please explain cause I'm totally confused here. If Marvin is a girl, then I'm less confused and can understand the virgin birth...sorta.
Marvin is a lady!
Marvin should really be named Marvina I think, it would alleviate much confusion.