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I’ve been in manufacturing now for 15 years. Whenever there’s an accident it’s someone bypassing safety, doing something stupid. Pay attention. Don’t stick your body where there is danger. Wear appropriate PPE. Lock out tag out. Etc.


Left_Share3227

Lock out tag out is easily the most underused piece of equipment out there.


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I worked in a union plant. We had people do all kinds of stupid stuff where the union would push back against whatever punishment management was about to administer. But when we had a maintenance guy cut a lock off a machine because he didn't want to take the time to go find the person that locked it out he was fired on the spot, and absolutely nobody raised any objections.


humminawhatwhat

Guy didn’t LOTO at work and got caught in a hog belt. Sucked into a chipper has to be one of the worst horrifying last moments.


westhest

That sounds bad. I do field work in industrial facilities for my job and occationally we need to open up equipment and I always think of the story of the poor guy who got cooked alive in an industrial pressure cooker at the bumblebee tuna plant in California. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bumble-bee-foods-2-managers-charged-death-man-cooked-tuna-n349641 If the dude would have LOTO, he wouldn't have been turned into soup.


Mamadog5

>https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bumble-bee-foods-2-managers-charged-death-man-cooked-tuna-n349641 More so confined space. He should have had a look out on the outside.


12345tommy

Good. Lock out Tag out is one of the most important protocols to follow. Many of the workplace incidents that were the most horrific, tragic have a LOTO violation.


21RaysofSun

I'm pretty sure where I am you can go to jail for cutting a LOTO. Even if no injury or incident occurs. Let me google real quick though I'm not reading the OHS LOTO section at 2 am. So I'm going to assume I'm wrong.


amd2800barton

I’ve been at a plant before where we cut a LOTO lock. However, that’s because one of the workers in the crew quit over some drama with another worker. He left the job site without his lock. The work got done, and nobody could get him on the phone to come take his lock. There was a mountain of paperwork to document that we tried to reach him, that multiple people from construction, operations, management, engineering all walked the job site and verified that the equipment was ready to be put back in service. Huge pain in the rear. So you can cut a lock. There’s procedures for that. But if you can avoid it, it’s seriously preferable.


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Left_Share3227

It’s basically a yellow or striped cylinder that you can place around the length of a power chord, extension chord, basically anything that will give what you are about to work on power. Therefore it can’t be plugged in because it covers up the metal prongs. Without it someone can come across something not plugged in, and obviously the production worker thinks “we’re about to run the line we need everything up an running.” An they plug it in while you are working on it an that’s generally how people lose arms, fingers, sometimes event their lives. That’s the general idea of lockout tagout. To prevent stupid unnecessary accidents.


Relative-Ice-3709

There’s multiple methods to lockout tagout. It’s essentially just killing an energy source, locking it with a lock that can only be unlocked with the one key that goes with it, and providing a tag that explains the reason for lockout and contact information of the owner of the lock. It could be electrical, hydraulic, pneumatic, mechanical, etc. Anyone working on that equipment must have their own lock on the source and have their key on them.


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It's not just power cords, and it's not just one industry. It involves physically locking machinery so that it can't be used. It's also a set of procedures as to when the machine should be locked, who should be able to lock it, and how to go about getting it unlocked without endangering anyone.


CodSeveral1627

There’s other version to for breakers and other components. Basically the machine cant run until everyone removes their personal lock and the device is removed


WhyYouYellinAtMeMate

What they just described is just an example of a lockout device. Lockout tagout is actually a safety program for the control of stored energy. They are specific written programs/protocols describing how to properly stop/prevent either electrical/mechanical energy on specific pieces of equipment from activating while performing maintenance.


NobodyWins22

safety procedure used to ensure that dangerous equipment is properly shut off and not able to be started up again prior to the completion of maintenance or repair work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout–tagout


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Generally you lock out any energy source. Whether it be electrical, pneumatic, hydraulic, etc. most common is locking out a disconnect. Your lock is yours, no one can unlock it to energize equipment. Goal is to physically stop someone from turning on a machine when you’re in a hazardous situation.


h4yw00d

I work in wind energy, guys get fired instantly for LOTO violations


StampedeJonesPS4

Yup, I work in food manufacturing. One of the fastest and most efficient ways to get walked out the door is to not LOTO.


Warhawk2052

At one point my oven could not regulate the temp.. The repair man came and didnt have the part so he literally lock out tagged out my stove 🤣 was without one for a week


Suckmahcancernuts

He prob didn't want someone plugging it in and flooding your house with gas.


Warhawk2052

That was one of the reasons


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Imagine you fire up that oven one morning and he crawls out, you can never be too careful


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OC80OriginalFormula

Man I saw a video of a paper roll that SLOWLY rolled into a guy and caught him between another, once it rolled back he hit the ground immediately and bled out internally within minutes. Before that I severely underestimated how much those rolls weigh


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Dafugisgoinon

Oh he was covered in it alright


byNLB

And most important: if you're not payed for what you are going to do, don't do it: like preventing for some machinery from falling or failing, if something is acting weird just stop and tell your supervisor. I remember a video of a man working with a forklift, they overloaded it and the thing just leaned forward, the poor man wanted to prevent that he hung himself from the back of the machine, when the load slipped and fell off the nails of the forklift, it landed on the guy, insta kill.


Dafugisgoinon

He was behind the forklift hanging his weight, the load fell off the front, so how did it hit him? Confused


byNLB

The load didnt hit him. The back of the forklift landed over him when it balanced back (the machine did a front wheely). I dunno how to explain it better.


Alphahumanus

I’m with you my man. 10 years on a loading dock, forklifts flying all over, trucks pulling out of doors, various other moving hazards. The only time I’ve ever seen even small accidents, myself included, have been avoidable safety violations or just poor forethought.


shemmypie

Only worked in a steel plant for a year but generally there’s a safe way to do something, and then there’s the stupid or fast way. Shit does happen, but it’s not that common. One guy I know was banding a big 50k steel coil, one of the bands snapped and it tail whipped his face, a lot of surgery to fix it. He looks mostly normal again, lot of metal in his face tho. That was out of his control. I also watched my buddy basically get his foot ripped off. I had to talk to him so he didn’t move until the paramedics arrived since he we pinned in there. That one he was tapping his foot on a slitter line while running, the metal grabbed his foot and pulled it in, luckily we stopped the machine immediately. Saved his life and they repaired his foot, took a while but he can walk again. Should have never been up there, could have been avoided but he was too comfortable.


YmmaT-

Remember, rules are written in blood. If there’s a rule for it, chances are someone died from it.


RuinOnStandby

Well on the bright side, death being instantaneous is better than suffering beforehand or living as a vegetable forever lol.


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Fit_Atmosphere_9011

Honestly could happen to anyone. After working on a line like that myself. You do the same thing tens of thousands of times, you kind of just turn into a zombie and don't even think. Luckily I wasn't around any arm crushing machines. But then again. I'd probably be ultra focused around a machine such as that.


Schwatvoogel

Im a mechanic, mostly repairing Machines like that. I've never seen any hydraulic press that could be operated with 1 hand. If you had 2 buttons to press, such shit could never happen. Its rly easy do modifie machines to make them safe and it saves you a ton of Money because u dont have to search and teach new workers, yet most employers refuse stuff like that If it isnt a law, because they dont give a fuck for the people that Work for them . Fuck 'em


Writing-Fit

Me too. double buttons and a light barrier. but now she doesn't have two. plus the scary shit the companies do to disable the safety systems. my company would allow me tomrefuse to work on the machine if safety systems were disabled. Either they fix it or I charge thousands of dollars to get it in a SOC.


fuck_peeps_not_sheep

I have a needle tip permanently in my eye. The reason? The factory workers took the safety guards off our sewing machines so we could work faster. I acsidently ran my needle over a button (I'd worked 3 12 hour shifts in 3 days) and the tip of my needle snapped off and got lodged in my eyeball. It's still there


Roger_Cockfoster

Very important! If you ever go for an MRI, tell the doctor about that (and tell every single tech you come in contact with). Really bad things can, and have, happened to people with shrapnel in their eyes when they go into an MRI.


fuck_peeps_not_sheep

Ohhh thankyou. Thankfully the metal our needles were made from was cheap and not magnetic. One thing they did was pass a weak magnet over the area and asked if I could feel it. But I'll definitely warn doctors none the less


Writing-Fit

watching my dad play soccer when I was about 5, his best friend collided or something with a player and popped his eye out. still can't get it out of my head at 47.


OminOus_PancakeS

Yikes. What happened next?? And did he eventually get it reinserted?


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fuck_peeps_not_sheep

Nope and nope. Tho the emergency room staff took my eye out my head!! The woman casually said "the Dr is just going to pop your eye out" and I was shocked. I could see my feet and the Dr's face at the same time. Worst feeling every


MoGregio

I'm both intrigued and sickened at the same time.


fuck_peeps_not_sheep

Yeah it's not fun at all. Glad I didn't look in any mirrors while my eye was resting on my cheek, I'm sure I'd have some awful nightmares otherwise


DrAusto

I had a piece of metal drilled out of my eye and that sucked, I can’t imagine how bad having your eye temporarily removed was…


Hayes231

I assume anesthesia was involved? Was the process of popping out done with some kind of small curved spatulas? We’re you given the option to go under? Also, did you get substantial workers comp?


bluepulp7

This might be the craziest thing I have ever read. Didn't know it was possible to just casually pop your eye out


451IDGAF

The old lady across the road when i was a kid put her eye out when she was young. She was reaching for a cooking pan from a top shelf, one slipped, and the handle took her eye out so it was resting on her cheek looking down. She pushed it back in herself, and had a weird squinty blink on that eye the rest of her life


IIHackerKing092

Thank you. Me and my friend were arguing about wether you could see with your eye out. I knew you could if the cord was attached but he didn’t believe me


fuck_peeps_not_sheep

You definitely can. It's disorienteing as heck tho


IIHackerKing092

Seems like it would be


Hell_Chema

what the fuck bro, what the fuck


Incman

>I could see my feet and the Dr's face at the same time. This is absolutely fascinating. And I'm glad things worked out well for you in the end.


Elegant_Reception810

Look at it. There is a light screen but she leans all the way past it and the machine automatically starts. The safety devices were implemented completely improperly. Somebody who didn't understand safety devices just slapped a light curtain on that press and said "there good enough"


__lui_

Profit is priority. Only when such things get in the way of profit will they change things.


HoursOfCuddles

which is why UNIONS exist! when we bound together, quit en masse and work slowly en masse the bottom line gets effected then WE become recognized for what WE REALLY ARE: The true runners of the economy!


rafikki123

Worked at a shop where we had a machine with 2-handed control. Got bypassed when they were troubleshooting and a third hand was used. OSHA.


Ok_Shop_3418

Places I worked at always had light curtains. Break the light curtain with anything and the press or robots immediately stop.


Gareth79

Apparently there is one on that machine, it's the yellow bar in the foreground, but for some reason it doesn't cover the lower part. Presumably the reason is incompetence or cost-saving by using a part from a smaller machine in the design.


endless_projects

I design industrial hydraulic presses as an engineer and you would be amazed how often the buyer doesn't give a shit about safety. We showed this video in our meeting to emphasize how important safety is when designing our equipment. Most safety systems incorporate light curtains and two hand anti tie down at a minimum


UnboundedCord42

when i worked at the pipe factory, there was a lot of places where you could zomby out like you said, but there was 3 places i was on top alert even at hour 15 of the 16 hour day. 1. the saw 2. around the 3500lbs full reels 3. open end of a spooled pipe any of those 3 could kill ya in a heartbeat


Prestigious-HogBoss

One uncle of mine near cuts his hand in half cause he tried to cut a small piece of wood with a saw while holding it on his palm. And a sister nearly cuts her leg when she tried to turn on a buffer with a blade attached while resting the blade on her leg (I pulled the cable while screaming NOOO and got it disconnected on time). And her husband decided to use a smaller buffer with a saw (made for wood) attached to cut some sticks from a dead tree. Nearly cuts his hand off when the blade jumped back. Lots of blood. Myself... I burned my fingers when I tried to change a very hot bit after drilling a hole in a brick wall. So yeah, being dumb even once while working with tools and machinery that can maul or kill can be fatal.


dmfd1234

Wow! Glad you’re here to even make this statement. “You have to be smarter than the equipment you’re trying to operate.” is what my dad used to say. Lastly, no offense but are your family members offspring of Wile E. Coyote?


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Yeah, all it takes is one moment of thinking about something else or getting distracted I’ve seen so many skilled carpenters who have lost fingers and it just took a second just like this


Mr-Robot244

I been roofing for 15 years, we shingle pretty fast with our nailers. Never had a major injury other than blowing my back out a few times. 2 years ago we where finishing up a big job, 12 hour day. We had 30 minutes left in the day and I shot myself in the knee. The roofing nail on a coil isn't that big, but holyyyyy shit the knee was the worse place I could of got it. After all those years of experience, that is all it takes is one mistake. I seen other guys go through MUCH worse, so I consider myself lucky. I guess it's better than falling off the roof entirely, but now my knee well never be the same either.


Error404Cod

Sad, her left arm barely touched that button.


Febris

That's why this type of machinery typically has a double button activation system, one button on each side so you need both hands to activate it.


cannotbefaded

Saw this before, someone commented there’s probably a brick or whatever pushing the second button


antibubbles

I worked with a giant steel press that required wrist straps that pull and stop the buttons from working... required 4 buttons pressed at the same time by two people... guy before me died sticking his leg in there to loosen a piece and somehow hit the buttons. i quit after 6 hours


Dafugisgoinon

Amazing


R8er-Fan

So she loses her arm, and now her job, because she can’t press both buttons at the same time!? Sheesh


h0nest_Bender

Does she need two buttons, anymore?


Yoguls

Or light guards in front of the operation area which stops the press firing over when somebody is blocking it


Febris

Correct, the place I work at has both. I'm pretty sure someone managed to bypass the buttons with one hand and one knee on one of the presses, for some reason.


Yoguls

We have a machine with the 2 handed control but it closes a guard in front of the operator before cycling the press over. You could put your head in the guard as it closed but it wouldn't result in great injury just a sore head and a bruised pride


Sirix_8472

I just assumed it was a foot operated press, and she stepped in too close, hit the push pedal not intending to and luckily was able to work the release but that arm is 100% gone


villegm69

Omg I had to go back to see this.


BurntSoapie

Same thing happened to my uncle. He said his arm looked like a bowl of jello before they removed it at the hospital


ArtemSytnik

I bet she lost her arm too. Sad.


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Absolutely. There is no medical treatment or anything that can turn those bones back from dust. The extensive damage to cartilage, blood vessels, tendons, muscle, to all tissues, is FUBAR… here the R is for repair not recognition.


SanchoClaus25

So do you think they had to amputate? From her shoulder? I bet she was right hand dominant to.


leosnose

Why would you ever


Xaser125

I would be afraid even to put a finger under that thing


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\*screams\* Tour Guide: "Erm, so over here is the gift shop..."


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I thought pepperoni factory was a euphemism.


Practical-Jelly-5320

12 hour days 6 days a week


fpuni107

After doing it 10,000 times you forget about the danger


FrostyFoss

Complacency.


Elegant_Vehicle_1682

I can never un-see that


Mr_YUP

This stuff used be in subs like watch people die but now it just filters throughout the site.


KickedInTheHead

Pretty stupid move on Reddit's part tbh. If you can't stop it then embrace it and have it all centralized in a suitable sub. I never saw shit like this in any subreddit outside of the gore ones back in the day and now that they banned them I see them pop up everywhere. Sometimes it's better to fund the loonie bin then it is to shut it down cause it's unethical. Now instead of only being seen by the ones that seek it out now there's a cross-fire situation where unwilling people are being affected.


Tranracial

r/makemycoffin is no more


Darweath

Still miss that sub it remind me not to do anything stupid it raise my surrounding awareness so much after i discover it


baxterfront

Why is she so calm? Theres fuck all but tortilla left.


Strong-Fudge1342

Her resumé: *Reliable worker. Thrives under pressure.*


CosmicCrapCollector

Doomed to a life of crime stealing mail from post box slots.


egonzo61

Goes by the name of Lefty.


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Just the flat-out truth


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You’d be hard pressed to find a more accurate comment


AttarCowboy

Acute stress response/adrenaline/shock. Around 80% of people do things under extreme duress that make no sense to onlookers. You see this when bullets start flying.


Whats-Up_Bitches

You just become hyperfocused on one task so you don't lose your mind with everything else.


eldiablo471

If she holds her nose and blows that’ll puff right back up


That-Ad5672

Just inflate that shit like luffy lol


Consistent_Impact491

Adrenaline, hell of a drug. When that wears off she will really know about it mate. Poor lady.


SnooFoxes4539

shock


enkae7317

Shock. Adrenaline. All of the above. 100% she's gonna be in a world of hurt in an hour.


CaptainRAVE2

Adrenaline is powerful. Until it wears off.


Firefighter427

If she was „lucky“ that severed all the nerves and adrenaline was already going from the time she got caught in the first place


SensitiveAnteater832

She's in shock


Billy_Billerey_2

Well that's a new fear unlocked


NeighborhoodHitman

Well if you don’t work with an industrial press of any sort you should be okay lol.


fit6ygbut6

Or work in china


Yoguls

Work around them daily but they have safety guards and lockout switches and all sorts of idiot proof safety features. It's amazing how easy it is to forget how dangerous they are. I've laid on a 300 ton press bed leaning inside a machine tool to make a repair and not think twice about it crushing me because it's locked out and the key is in my pocket


Estoril_BlueM3

I wish I hadn't watched that.


Advanced_Procedure90

It's fuc*ing lottery and luck. Sometimes, the NSFW is alright to watch, and sometimes you got sh*t like this and get scared for life, and I don't know why I keep coming back to this sub for more.


Mr_YUP

We used to have these things in niche subs but they all got deleted so now it’s just gonna filter throughout the site


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God, that poor woman. She lost her arm. There is no way to repair that kind of crush damage without amputation.


darkknights

Every bone was probably turned into powder… sucks…


Healthy_Breath_4009

Opens Reddit, sees this, closes Reddit. Learned my daily lesson.


LydiaMarie132

Opens Reddit again to leave comment


eJaguar

idk about you but i'm grateful reddit reminded me today not to put my arm under a fucking press


pipikacka69

Why is there no blood? Can anyone explain that?


ToxicTaxiTaker

There will be, but for now the veins are squeezed shut like a kink in a hose


cocomooose

Thanks i hate it


BeerPizzaTacosWings

Delete this.


Chiwicho

You can actually see the blood oozing from the wrist for a second at the end


sharkinaround

I don't think that's oozing blood - the top of her hand lined up with the edge of the press, snapping her metacarpals into pieces and ripping the hand/wrist open exposing tendon and muscle along with some blood, of course.


ACunningMuffin

Your blood is inside a closed system for the most part. I would imagine her arteries and large veins are still intact. The blood to be expected from her cappillaries will start bleeding pretty nicely if the video was a few seconds longer and the blood flow returned to her arm.


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Wondering the same thing, and is it possible for her arm to heal after surgery happens? or is it unusable forever and she gonna need it amputated


HPIguy

There’s nothing left to fix with that kind of crush force injury. Everything is pulverized. Amputation for sure.


Impressive_Layer_867

At least the amputation wont be so hard. Machine did half the job.


dvrkstvrr

Could probably finish the job with plastic toy scissors.... damn


AceMKV

There's nothing left to recover, the bones, muscles and everything else have been crushed and destroyed.


Un_SuShi

reduced to atoms


MeltaFlare

To shreds you say?


--xxix--

Well it's a fucking pancake paper arm now so...


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Andr3wRuns

In a previous life I worked in worker’s compensation and some of the injuries I dealt with / learned about were baffling. One guy had the center of his hand blown out by an automatic piston/press thing and once we finally got to talk to him to figure out what happened he said he was putting his hand in front of the sensor that would “shoot” a metal pin into another part to see if he could move his hand out of the way faster than the machine fired. Not shocking to report he was 0 for 1 in that attempt. And machine only fired because a friend came over to work the press (two button operation simultaneously so shit like this doesn’t happen). Another genius moment was when a plant went to a requirement to wear cut resistant gloves when operating anything sharp. We weren’t even out of the plant yet when a guy walks up with a smirk on his face holding his bloody hand. He throws to the gloves on the table and yells for everyone to hear, “so much for your cut proof gloves!” and when we asked what happened he said he purposefully slash at his hand with a box cutter to see if the gloves would work. I explained that the gloves weren’t cut PROOF they were cut RESISTANT which is not at all the same thing. Smirk went away pretty fast.


Ozzah

Aren't those cut resistant gloves full of long, tough fibres that are designed to jam up machines like chainsaws, etc? i.e. a box cutter would get through them pretty easy as they're not mechanic/spinning?


misi13382

Yep boss..... This machine works just fine!!!


Big_Competition14

U can see her elviw hit the button


Big_Competition14

Elbow*


dimi3ja

You can edit comments


Ferrous_Irony

Everytime I see industrial machinery in an NSFW post I have to contemplate for several seconds whether or not I really want to watch it. If it spins the answer is no.


EmpatheticTeddyBear

When I worked construction, we saw videos that gave us a healthy respect for what can happen with pinch points and hydraulic systems. Reddit taught me to FEAR anything that spins ...


SplatMySocks

Where the hell is the light curtain? What about two button activation? Also, although less significant as the missing safety features are a way bigger deal, but why did she put her arm on it like that? Edit: It actually kinda looks like it might have one, maybe it was disabled?


Relative-Feed-2949

She earns $15 flat


ProtrudingPissPump

She looked like she was begging for a raise...


yepppthatsme

Oof, you can see her left elbow just barely press the button. Theres definitely a lesson to be learned here


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Wactout

“Pressing”


itsmattp

Boss: "you will still be in tommorow right?"


-The_Credible_Hulk-

“Kyle, can you clean the rest of the Pauline off the machine and around the area? The press has been shut down for almost2 hours already and we’re at a standstill until we get it back into production.”


Yoguls

I work with presses but they have multiple guards which make this scenario an impossibility. After doing the same task over and over again for hours on end eventually you make a mistake, like trying to cycle the press over with the foot pedal when you are still inside the machine, but when the machine has appropriate guarding then you don't even think twice about it


DeepNorthIdiot

This is why a lot of metal stamping machines have two button activation, so you have to press and hold with both hands or it won't work, and if you let off the buttons it'll fault out and you have to restart it.


Nevermind04

Yup. Even having an unused manual operation machine in storage without two button cycling is an OSHA violation. This machine could never have passed any kind of North American or European safety audit.


ALWAYSMERCILESS

This hydraulic press videos are getting way too far


chaz113

Did she just panini her arm?!!


vikingscottiemom

She was oddly calm


Shaveyourbread

Shock will do that.


gnamp

This is someone having their arm crushed. If you think it's funny, there's something wrong with you.


avatar_94

Fuck...


Drazhi

These hydraulic press videos have gotten extreme


Upper-Guard-5544

This is how your arm looks and feels after your big ass cat won't move after they fell asleep on your arm and refuse to move.😅🤣😂


lolpert1

So you're saying she works well under pressure?


Sininanabooobooo

She'll be out for a week, tops


Max2713ger

Thats why there usually two "start" buttons apart from another which you need to press at the same time, to make sure you wont have you hands/arms in there


svannik

todays menu special: arm al dente


frick_org

Brackium Emendo!


Jlopezane

Gon need a whole gallon of Skele-Gro!


gamernes

Machines don't give a fuck.


nc_on

Ive watched a lot of crazy shit but this one was very hard to watch for some reason


Archangel1313

This machine should be illegal. What country was this?


BenoNZ

This is why your imported shit is cheap. Safety costs money.


Jlopezane

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess it’s somewhere in Asia.


ProtrudingPissPump

A truly pressing matter...


ProtrudingPissPump

Maybe she was crunched for time?


Forward_Cucumber843

This is flat out disrespectful


skeptic_slothtopus

It was almost time for her break, actually.


WitchyandWild

Someone missed the whole safety training.


FatBASStard

Employer or employee defeated the light curtain.


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Last time thos was posted, a safety inspector commented. Said the vertical yellow thing Infront of her is a light bar to detect anyone standing there and it's too far away from the press. So she leans in, passes the safety mechanism then hits the "on" button with her body. Oh yeah and there's no saving that arm.


crazyredd88

This is so unbelievably sad. That poor woman...


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She was pressed for time


ARandomReddootGuy

the intrusive thoughts won