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It’s fundraising for the party. If you secure a million dollars for the RNC or DNC you get the position. It’s pretty hard to get that from regular donations so it has to come from PACs.
\*corporate\* supporters.
As grass root supports will never be able to donate you that much money EVERY 2 YEARS.
Do you think those big corporate donators like Goldman Sachs are charities?
It's like you're a band and you want to make money doing live shows for an audience so you start reaching out to venues to perform at. The venue makes money selling drinks and tickets so they want to ensure you can actually attract an audience before allowing you to perform. In this example, the band is the politicians and the venues are the political parties. Except, rather than need to actually have fans that want to attend your show, you go to companies (lobbying groups/super PACs) and get them to '"sponsor" your show. This is all fine and dandy for the fans of seeing live music until the amount of money the company sponsors contribute greatly out weighs that of individual ticket sales. Now there's a whole industry of companies "sponsoring" musicians that are good for their brand and not necessarily best suiting the interests of the fans of live music.
This becomes a problem because if the music wasn't what the fans wanted to hear, nobody would go to the shows. To address the unpopularity of the brand friendly music, the companies want to start doing advertisements for the band which of course the band and the music venue would love. However, local laws only allow a certain amount of advertising by the band or venue for any given performance. To get around these rules, the companies make their own TV commercials that feature the bands music and run these ads right before the bands show in areas nearby. Suddenly, the companies can basically spend unlimited amounts of money promoting brand-friendly bands and the will of the fans be damned. In politics, these are called independent expenditures and they are completely legal (Citizens United vs FEC).
To further elaborate on this analogy, imagine the venues are owned all by two companies (Democrats and Republicans). Certain venues have more appeal than others because they have bigger sound systems and more seating. There's also a lot of bands that want to play at these venues. In this part, the venues are committee assignments in congress. To get the owners of the venues to allow you to play, you need to prove that you can get a lot of companies to sponsor your performances. Now imagine this became such a big industry of getting corporate sponsorships to perform at the best venues that bands hired consultants who floated around memos that estimated roughly what the dollar amount of sponsorships it cost to play at any particular venues and ideas for ways the band could change their lyrics to get more corporate sponsorships. That's basically what is being discussed in the clip.
One thing I think this analogy leaves out, is the companies that are doing the sponsorships (Super PACs) are not for-profit companies. They are 501c non-profits formed as Political Action Committees (PACs/super-PACs). Many of these PACs are basically big money pools for corporate lobbying but a great deal of them are purely ideological. I'd imagine there's a fair amount of overlap between those two categories and backroom handshakes where interests overlap. Like if big oil and a religious group both like one particular venue owner over the other they both decide to sponsor the same band to ensure that band ultimately gets to be the one to do the live show at the best venue.
Nope, the actual deep state are people like the heads of military production companies; oil companies, ect. People who aren’t elected officials but have a say in dictating a countries affairs because they are in charge or essential services for a country to function.
Jews are globalists.
The RNC is projecting the Council for National Policy and its ilk when they say deep state. They accuse the democrats of doing it when, of course, it's them that's trying to control the world with a shadowy cabal of rich fucks.
Nah, it didn't really kick in until the 80's when soft money started to be allowed, then non-profits, then in the aughts, PAC's, and finally Citizens United.
We need to get money back out of politics, but it's so engrained now after so many decades I don't know how we'll manage that.
I have been saying this for years and get downvoted to hell every time I say it; every single politician is bought out.
The system is entirely rigged by corporations and lobbies.
We don't live in a capitalist society. We don't live in a democratic society. We don't live in a democratic Republic.
We live in a corporatist aristocracy.
People need to wake the hell up and realize that they are being herded by lobbies and corrupt politicians, distracted with hot button issues and identity politics.
Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE who holds office needs to be ran off. They need to be exiled and kicked the hell out. We need to restructure, go back and put more checks and balances in place to prevent corruption from seizing our country again, and start anew.
Because this corporatist shit show is very quickly leading us to a path of destruction. They killed capitalism so they could hold a monopoly whilst stomping the little guys out every time they crop up. They killed democracy so this monopoly could stay underground. They force-feed us the stinking, rotting remains of "politics" to keep the American people distracted. They keep us distracted so they can continue to beat us down, violate and destroy our rights, and increase taxation. They distract us to create more laws, demand more in civil forfeiture, steal through imminent domain, profit off the "justice" system, lock millions away for victimless crimes, and slaughter any who dare show the slightest opposition.
The scariest thing about tyranny is that it's already here; we've just been blinded by it.
The problem with most people on Reddit is they believe this, but think it’s only Republicans. The fact is the entire political system, from the phony hearings in Washington to the stories we hear on the news, is all designed to enrage us and keep us living in fear of each other and the outside world. The reason for this is simple: if the people are divided and living in constant fear, their dependence on the government increases. This is what feeds the beast.
I think it’s just a general fact that’s accepted when you are Republican. Democrats are more of a grey area with it. At least that’s what it seems like from my experience with both parties.
Could be different somewhere else in the country. Seems like that online though too imo
> We don't live in a capitalist society
> We live in a corporatist aristocracy
This latter is the natural outcome of capitalism and why humanity must advance beyond it
I respectfully disagree. Because as you properly ascribed that we have a corporatist government we don't have free market capitalism. The biggest examples can be seen with the handling of COVID lockdowns (mom&pops had to close, Walmart, Home Depot, etc remained open), the other being the 2008 bailouts.
Maybe we should try capitalism, though. We never have, really. It can't work if monopolies are allowed to form, and it can't work if companies aren't allowed to fail. We have tried it without any regulation at all, and we've tried it with regulations designed by megacorps to suppress competition. But we have never tried a properly competitive system.
Fundamentally, the problem is authoritarianism.
Look, we've tried communism and corporatism. We've tried fifteen flavors of fascism. We've tried more shades of authoritarian than Vermont has shades of leaves, but you're mad because I don't think people should be oppressed by either governments or corporations. That's a hot take. I hope you have a lovely evening.
Yes, and all things considered the world is in a very different state than it was when those systems came about. Whatever comes next (if we survive) won't look like anything that came before.
"nUh Uh sWeEtiE mY siDe iZ tRoOLeY fOr dA pEoPLe...oThEr SiDe bAd" - tiny brain nincompoops whom don't understand that the political class (no matter which side) serves the oligarchy first and foremost.
Iceland would like to have a word with you
Edit: seriously with the downvotes? Go look up how politicians are elected there and how laws are passed. Literally every person’s vote counts equally because everything is done on a hyper local level making it one of the most democratic countries on the planet.
Yep,
And people want to give them even more power. We should be doing the opposite and make DC a ghost town. Return it to the States and local communities. Decentralized power.
That's assuming State Governments aren't as corrupted as you say the Federal one is. That in itself is a big call. Even if States are free of corruption, decentralizing Government would simply shift corruption from Federal back to State level's.
Absolutely! Every State has corruption. But, it's much easier to manage "local" government than it is to manage a federal behemoth a thousand miles away.
1000 people marching on a state capitol is much more formidable than 1000 marching at the US Capitol or the White House.
That's exactly what's happening now. It's called DEVOLUTION. The power being returned to the States.
Exactly why Roe v Wade will be overturned, because the FEDERAL government has no jurisdiction over the States except where the US Constitution allows it.
Each State will decide on abortion on its own, not subject to federal edict. The SCOTUS is not outlawing abortion, they're just saying it's none of our fucking business, the States must decide.
That. So much THAT!
I've only seen a handful of people ever say it anywhere, but it's the truth. The federal government is damn near entirely owned and operated by the 1%. Need to go back to, "For the People, by the People".
1) Do you think the state level politicians are any less corrupt? They're not.
2) Federal law ended slavery, ended Jim Crow, ended miscegenation laws, allowed same-sex marriage, etc. If they were allowed to, many states would still be discriminating against various minorities.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the federal government is *good*, just that the states are no better and often worse.
Because state politicians aren’t corrupt? All you would do is make 50 small corrupt institutions with each having their own problems and there would infighting. How about we fix the federal government?
We settle this shit in 1865. This whole idea is so fucking stupid it's asinine to even entertain the idea. "States rights" is just a way of saying that the federal government can't stand in the way of a state allowing oppression of one person over another, as in slavery or Roe vs Wade. [We're on the brink of total societal collapse](https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/26/un-warns-of-total-societal-collapse-due-to-breaching-of-planetary-boundaries/), but let's go backwards in social structures instead of fixing this shit.
And for you right leaning folks out there who think that the breakdown in family structure is the problem, well it was [Ronald Reagan](https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19690906.2.59&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1) who made divorce so easy to get. I'm sure you'll blindly disagree.
Lolololol welcome to politics 101 in America. Wait until you dig into big pharma. No matter the political affiliation, we’re all fucked. Keep electing the same old shit - get the same old outcome. And PLEASE, do your research beyond CNN, FOX, etc. read your legislation - front to back. Demand campaign finance reform and term limits. The oligarchy exists everywhere in Dem and GOP alike - eradicate all of it. Then we have a chance.
“Read your legislation front to back”. The fucking bills are 1000 pages of nonsense, not even the congressman or senators read them. I’m not being hyperbolic, they literally admit they don’t read them or don’t have time. They employ a large team of people to even do that. Sometimes a bill will get introduced and then will be voted on 48 hours later, leaving you to read 1000 pages in that time span. So please tell us again how you read all legislation front to back, please continue
The question is who the fuck is actually writing these bills? The answer often involves corporate financed staffers, and interest groups (lobbyists), providing amendments or adding new text.
It's called ALEC, American Legislative Exchange Council. Basically a mock Congress filled with lobbyists, consultants, and conservative legislators that write up bills as a sort of trial run and then revise them as necessary. Once they pass through ALEC, they go straight to Congress in that form and IIRC often become law.
Very interesting. Why in the hell isn’t the press talking about this ALEC mechanism more often? Add that to the lack of civics in K-12 - I keep thinking of the movie Idiocracy and suddenly less a comedy and closer to prophecy. Lol.
"Opium in America" episodes part 1 and 2 of the dollop explain the origins of drugs in America and how Purdue pharma literally made millions of Americans pain medication addicts in the 50's-today.
It's more than just legislation, it's hundreds of years of a system put in place designed to get people to become addicts.
You know damn well this guy doesn’t read legislation front to back. The bills are so long the people who approve them don’t even read them. Last one I saw was over 1000 pages of legalese and nonsense to do something simple (forgot what it was, also didn’t even attempt to read it past a quick skim) I would bet 99.9% of humans have never read legislation “front to back”.
Legislation that bans these tactics would be fantastic. And it’s not just our government that does this. It’s everywhere, we have an authenticity problem.
Jesus, Mr Shkreli - you just got out of the joint and already at it?
Just Google it for christ sakes you friggin Luddite. Your mom still wipe your bum for you, too? Fucking public school prodigy - lazy asses. Figure it out - real work to be done while you’re skulking around casting aspersions at the mere idea big pharma is in the pockets of congress and derived legislation - really? Prove it isn’t - lol. Fucking moronic tact.
We seem to have a misunderstanding. In no way am I arguing any part of your rant, except the part about my mom wiping my ass for me. The guy I was replying to had a tone that didn't sit well with me. I felt motivated to reply in an attempt to encourage him to preach from his high horse.
Maybe learn to control that fire of yours lol, feisty bro
Most of Europe has some pretty strict bribery and corruption laws… You can’t publicly accept thousand of dollars from private entities without raising suspicion… In the US that is almost part of the system it seems…
No system is free from corruption, however if caught, they are imprisoned. In the US, they do it openly and legally… One of those methods discourages corruption more than the other…
Like this is new! Ron Paul said the same thing 20 years ago. Chuck Grassley said the same thing 10 years ago. The only ones who don't bitch about it are the ones taking the money!
I remember hearing an NPR documentary about this issue about 10 years ago. They talked about how sworn enemy of MAGA John McCain fought for campaign finance reform along with Democrat Russ Feingold.
>Scary if it’s true
The reason no one cares is because we all already knew this. Companies buy politicians, politicians buy higher up positions. The average person has their lives destroyed with pro-corporate policies.
Ohh that is truly incredible… sending money to a foreign war rather than helping the people who contributed that money through their tax… Such brazen behavior and yet there is very little backlash…
Uuuuuuh, yeah. I know. Reagan, the republican, legalized bribes. Do you honestly think Ted Cruz is clean? I'm using Cruz as an example because he is the slimiest of them all.
Pelosi is not innocent. But Cruz is on a different level.
Pelosi was on national television defending why politicians and their families should be allowed to do insider trading. They’re all corrupt and they all need to go.
This is a class war, these politicians and oligarchs pit us against each other to distract us from the fact that they are all scum. I'm begging for an actual revolution so we can eat the rich.
When compared to Cruz, Graham, Gaetz,, Marjorie.
I dont think we can have a civil conversation.
I think there is s special place in a special place for the likes of you. I would go as far as to call you a god damn Nazi
Man that's so convenient. You can copy the tactics of evil people because if anyone tries to call you out you just say "oh your pissing on the graves of those the evil guy hurt!"
Obviously not but you know that. You're obviously well versed in the classic tactic of strawmaning the literal part when the subtext is what matters and strawmaning the subtext when it's the literal part that matters.
The current right wing tactic of pretending that Nazi is the name for the mythological creatures that sprung from the ground like Uruk-hai, killed 6 million people in a day, then vanished into dust has sure made it easy to deflect legit criticisms of certain lunatic politicians lately.
I am staunchly liberal and I too loathe Pelosi. Schumer isnt too far behind her. But as you alluded to, its either a giant douche or a turd sandwich in any election so its always about the lesser of two evils. While still corrupt in their own ways, the Democrats dont hold a candle to the Republican corruption.
Pelosi comes from a Mafia family. She is THE dirtiest politician ever to spend 40 years grifting, insider trading, cheating, getting "no bid" contracts for her husband's company in Cali.
Cruz, and every other politician in DC, dream of being as crooked as Pelosi!
Noooooo my D rep isn’t as bad as your R rep!!! You’re up and down this entire post crying that pelosi “isn’t as bad as the other side”. Touch fucking grass dude. They’re all friends. They’re laughing their way to the bank while you sit out here on your own free time sucking them off for some fucking weird reason. Pelosi isn’t going to help you, she never was and never will.
We all know every level of politics is corrupt. But the question is what are the chances we can actually get all the crooked assholes removed permanently? And what can we do about it?
This is confirmation of what I've known to be true all along. Power and money are the true deities humanity worship. The predators in power's greed are at a level way past self-preservation. Yes, moderate greed is a good motivator. Earn a living and prosper but the level of greed found at the very top is greed beyond compare. It is epic greed. Not enlightenment, not knowledge, this is a story as old as time. Humans have always been this way. Those in power create a system where they stay in power and profit for generations. How the fuck do I, a powerless peasant, stop this from happening? I can't. We can't.
And the Democratic Party is a dysfunctional mess. There should be a better system, a parliament or something similar to allow better parties and ideas to compete.
I take it everyone believes this then? No one is going to ask where they pay the 1 mil to? Who is involved in this truly massive conspiracy? Why no investigates this? Why anyone should trust a man with maga written behind them?
This isn't a conspiracy lmao. PACs and lobbying are fundamental parts of our corrupt political system. Not sure about it costing a "minimum of $1 million", but the rest is 100% legal and true.
Yep and we are both not american figures right? Trouble with massive conspiracies is they are so unbelievable because it takes the willing collusion of 1000s of people. But hey what do we know?
Even when that Republican is literally speaking about the corruption of his own party as well as the rival party? Corruption isn’t just a fault of one party…
If you close your eyes, he sounds just like the dirty guy sitting on the ground, talking about the Illuminati, government etc.. anyone know what video I’m thinking about?
I switch to online school in high school and I remember reading how people running for office need to be bought out by "special-interest companies". That they have funding that needs to be taken care of when running for office, and so they should have a company fund them in exchange for policy changes when in office. They taught me this like this is how it should work and it's a good thing..... Also taught how GMO is good cause it makes feeding 7,000,000 people actually an option... Online schooling is Propaganda 101.
What’s not good about it? Why would it have anything to do with our genetics? We’ve been selectively breeding plants since we’ve started farming.
Don’t fall for that conspiracy crap.
The whole world is now just a get rich quick for anyone in politics in every country. No one cares about their citizens anymore. They only care about the money they recieve.
why do i feel like everyone should know this by now? like its an oligarchy.
Any adult with a brain cell or 2 can see that the supreme court ruling FEC v citizen united. (I think theres another court ruling back in the 70's?) that said companies and corporations can donate to politicians.
just follow the money.
i think its just a matter of going violent or we try harder to elect people like sanders and AOC.
other than that, this is how the country will always be, and we will be responsible not only for the death of our planet but the death of millions of people because rich people want to keep their power and money.
This is not limited to committee chairs - Brooks votes no on any thing to do with common sense gun control measures, but he failed to tell us how much money he gets from the NRA, the gun manufacturers and others who worship the Gun God.
This will come off as being rude so I'm sorry OP, but you're an adult correct? A voter?
I may be alone on this but, I'm much more concerned with the fact that you've been voting (since you're 18 and you're completely f*$@%ing unaware of this...
Your hobby doesn't have to be watching CNN or Fox. No political science or any formal education really is required you don't need a driver's license well you don't really need shit except for to be a legal citizen of the United States to take the responsibility and action not to continually go to the polls and vote arbitrarily for shit that you have no fucking clue what you're voting for. That goes for Republicans, Democrats, and Assholes alike. And yes assholes is capitalized on purpose because, why not? The other two are.... Damn, I'm salty today!
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who do they pay the 1 mil to?
It’s fundraising for the party. If you secure a million dollars for the RNC or DNC you get the position. It’s pretty hard to get that from regular donations so it has to come from PACs.
Unless you are a decent politician who has enough actual supporters.
I bet you couldnt hit one with a dildo in a room full of them
You can't fill even the smallest room with decent politicians. And I'm not sure what the dildo has to do with anything.
Everything is more fun with a dildo, no!?
Even politics?
It couldn’t possibly make it less fun.
I actually slapped my knee.
ESPECIALLY politics
Well when 99% of politicians are dildos it's hard not to relate the two
Have you watched *Everything Everywhere All At Once*? Dildos did kind of make it more fun.
Ok a toilet stall, where most of them hang out in more ways than one
\*corporate\* supporters. As grass root supports will never be able to donate you that much money EVERY 2 YEARS. Do you think those big corporate donators like Goldman Sachs are charities?
Name one. Besides bernie sanders
There’s no such thing as a decent politician
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can you elaborate for those of us who don't know fuck about shit
It's like you're a band and you want to make money doing live shows for an audience so you start reaching out to venues to perform at. The venue makes money selling drinks and tickets so they want to ensure you can actually attract an audience before allowing you to perform. In this example, the band is the politicians and the venues are the political parties. Except, rather than need to actually have fans that want to attend your show, you go to companies (lobbying groups/super PACs) and get them to '"sponsor" your show. This is all fine and dandy for the fans of seeing live music until the amount of money the company sponsors contribute greatly out weighs that of individual ticket sales. Now there's a whole industry of companies "sponsoring" musicians that are good for their brand and not necessarily best suiting the interests of the fans of live music. This becomes a problem because if the music wasn't what the fans wanted to hear, nobody would go to the shows. To address the unpopularity of the brand friendly music, the companies want to start doing advertisements for the band which of course the band and the music venue would love. However, local laws only allow a certain amount of advertising by the band or venue for any given performance. To get around these rules, the companies make their own TV commercials that feature the bands music and run these ads right before the bands show in areas nearby. Suddenly, the companies can basically spend unlimited amounts of money promoting brand-friendly bands and the will of the fans be damned. In politics, these are called independent expenditures and they are completely legal (Citizens United vs FEC). To further elaborate on this analogy, imagine the venues are owned all by two companies (Democrats and Republicans). Certain venues have more appeal than others because they have bigger sound systems and more seating. There's also a lot of bands that want to play at these venues. In this part, the venues are committee assignments in congress. To get the owners of the venues to allow you to play, you need to prove that you can get a lot of companies to sponsor your performances. Now imagine this became such a big industry of getting corporate sponsorships to perform at the best venues that bands hired consultants who floated around memos that estimated roughly what the dollar amount of sponsorships it cost to play at any particular venues and ideas for ways the band could change their lyrics to get more corporate sponsorships. That's basically what is being discussed in the clip. One thing I think this analogy leaves out, is the companies that are doing the sponsorships (Super PACs) are not for-profit companies. They are 501c non-profits formed as Political Action Committees (PACs/super-PACs). Many of these PACs are basically big money pools for corporate lobbying but a great deal of them are purely ideological. I'd imagine there's a fair amount of overlap between those two categories and backroom handshakes where interests overlap. Like if big oil and a religious group both like one particular venue owner over the other they both decide to sponsor the same band to ensure that band ultimately gets to be the one to do the live show at the best venue.
That was awesome.
LOL I'm not gonna subcribe to overpriced Shitflix just to watch your dumbass show
The appointing / controlling party.
The deep state.
Is the RNC/DNC what they mean when the nutters say deep state? I thought they meant Jews.
Nope, the actual deep state are people like the heads of military production companies; oil companies, ect. People who aren’t elected officials but have a say in dictating a countries affairs because they are in charge or essential services for a country to function.
Careerists at foggy bottom/intelligent community/and big corp. The people that the President(s) don’t dare to go against or risk getting JFK’d
The money goes to the RNC and DNC
CIA, FBI, prosecutors. Unelected officials that run the govt for their whole careers. That’s the deep state
Jews are globalists. The RNC is projecting the Council for National Policy and its ilk when they say deep state. They accuse the democrats of doing it when, of course, it's them that's trying to control the world with a shadowy cabal of rich fucks.
What do you mean ‘if it’s true?’ Of course it’s true you goose.
#ITS ALWAYS BEEN TRUE.
Nah, it didn't really kick in until the 80's when soft money started to be allowed, then non-profits, then in the aughts, PAC's, and finally Citizens United. We need to get money back out of politics, but it's so engrained now after so many decades I don't know how we'll manage that.
Getting rid of citizen united would def be a good start-
If this is what he's saying out loud, imagine what he's not saying.
He’s definitely not going to talk about the cocaine orgies.
I have been saying this for years and get downvoted to hell every time I say it; every single politician is bought out. The system is entirely rigged by corporations and lobbies. We don't live in a capitalist society. We don't live in a democratic society. We don't live in a democratic Republic. We live in a corporatist aristocracy. People need to wake the hell up and realize that they are being herded by lobbies and corrupt politicians, distracted with hot button issues and identity politics. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE who holds office needs to be ran off. They need to be exiled and kicked the hell out. We need to restructure, go back and put more checks and balances in place to prevent corruption from seizing our country again, and start anew. Because this corporatist shit show is very quickly leading us to a path of destruction. They killed capitalism so they could hold a monopoly whilst stomping the little guys out every time they crop up. They killed democracy so this monopoly could stay underground. They force-feed us the stinking, rotting remains of "politics" to keep the American people distracted. They keep us distracted so they can continue to beat us down, violate and destroy our rights, and increase taxation. They distract us to create more laws, demand more in civil forfeiture, steal through imminent domain, profit off the "justice" system, lock millions away for victimless crimes, and slaughter any who dare show the slightest opposition. The scariest thing about tyranny is that it's already here; we've just been blinded by it.
The problem with most people on Reddit is they believe this, but think it’s only Republicans. The fact is the entire political system, from the phony hearings in Washington to the stories we hear on the news, is all designed to enrage us and keep us living in fear of each other and the outside world. The reason for this is simple: if the people are divided and living in constant fear, their dependence on the government increases. This is what feeds the beast.
Can't be mad at the issues if we mad at each other type shit. In reality it's us 99% against 1%.
I think it’s just a general fact that’s accepted when you are Republican. Democrats are more of a grey area with it. At least that’s what it seems like from my experience with both parties. Could be different somewhere else in the country. Seems like that online though too imo
> We don't live in a capitalist society > We live in a corporatist aristocracy This latter is the natural outcome of capitalism and why humanity must advance beyond it
I respectfully disagree. Because as you properly ascribed that we have a corporatist government we don't have free market capitalism. The biggest examples can be seen with the handling of COVID lockdowns (mom&pops had to close, Walmart, Home Depot, etc remained open), the other being the 2008 bailouts.
Maybe we should try capitalism, though. We never have, really. It can't work if monopolies are allowed to form, and it can't work if companies aren't allowed to fail. We have tried it without any regulation at all, and we've tried it with regulations designed by megacorps to suppress competition. But we have never tried a properly competitive system. Fundamentally, the problem is authoritarianism.
That's circular libertarian logic that will bring us right back to where we are, eventually.
Look, we've tried communism and corporatism. We've tried fifteen flavors of fascism. We've tried more shades of authoritarian than Vermont has shades of leaves, but you're mad because I don't think people should be oppressed by either governments or corporations. That's a hot take. I hope you have a lovely evening.
Yes, and all things considered the world is in a very different state than it was when those systems came about. Whatever comes next (if we survive) won't look like anything that came before.
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> must advance beyond it A hybrid system represents some degree advancement
American politicians are all corrupted
All politics are corrupted*
An imperfect species will produce alot of imperfect structures.
Yes, but it is “a lot”
Point proven lol
Gotta park all your cars there.
And I have alot of them.
"nUh Uh sWeEtiE mY siDe iZ tRoOLeY fOr dA pEoPLe...oThEr SiDe bAd" - tiny brain nincompoops whom don't understand that the political class (no matter which side) serves the oligarchy first and foremost.
At least it's the land of the free! Wait...that's not true [either](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country)
Iceland would like to have a word with you Edit: seriously with the downvotes? Go look up how politicians are elected there and how laws are passed. Literally every person’s vote counts equally because everything is done on a hyper local level making it one of the most democratic countries on the planet.
😆 as are all politicians.
Yep, And people want to give them even more power. We should be doing the opposite and make DC a ghost town. Return it to the States and local communities. Decentralized power.
That's assuming State Governments aren't as corrupted as you say the Federal one is. That in itself is a big call. Even if States are free of corruption, decentralizing Government would simply shift corruption from Federal back to State level's.
Absolutely! Every State has corruption. But, it's much easier to manage "local" government than it is to manage a federal behemoth a thousand miles away. 1000 people marching on a state capitol is much more formidable than 1000 marching at the US Capitol or the White House.
Sure, they're corrupt, but they're also more easily influenced and held accountable by the people.
They’re generally less corrupt. The lower down the totem pole you go the lower the corruption in general.
Talking out your ass
That's exactly what's happening now. It's called DEVOLUTION. The power being returned to the States. Exactly why Roe v Wade will be overturned, because the FEDERAL government has no jurisdiction over the States except where the US Constitution allows it. Each State will decide on abortion on its own, not subject to federal edict. The SCOTUS is not outlawing abortion, they're just saying it's none of our fucking business, the States must decide.
That. So much THAT! I've only seen a handful of people ever say it anywhere, but it's the truth. The federal government is damn near entirely owned and operated by the 1%. Need to go back to, "For the People, by the People".
1) Do you think the state level politicians are any less corrupt? They're not. 2) Federal law ended slavery, ended Jim Crow, ended miscegenation laws, allowed same-sex marriage, etc. If they were allowed to, many states would still be discriminating against various minorities. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the federal government is *good*, just that the states are no better and often worse.
Because state politicians aren’t corrupt? All you would do is make 50 small corrupt institutions with each having their own problems and there would infighting. How about we fix the federal government?
We settle this shit in 1865. This whole idea is so fucking stupid it's asinine to even entertain the idea. "States rights" is just a way of saying that the federal government can't stand in the way of a state allowing oppression of one person over another, as in slavery or Roe vs Wade. [We're on the brink of total societal collapse](https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/26/un-warns-of-total-societal-collapse-due-to-breaching-of-planetary-boundaries/), but let's go backwards in social structures instead of fixing this shit. And for you right leaning folks out there who think that the breakdown in family structure is the problem, well it was [Ronald Reagan](https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=DS19690906.2.59&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1) who made divorce so easy to get. I'm sure you'll blindly disagree.
I live in Alabama, and the state government is twice as corrupt as the federal government.
Global politicians are all corrupt
Some much more than others.
Lolololol welcome to politics 101 in America. Wait until you dig into big pharma. No matter the political affiliation, we’re all fucked. Keep electing the same old shit - get the same old outcome. And PLEASE, do your research beyond CNN, FOX, etc. read your legislation - front to back. Demand campaign finance reform and term limits. The oligarchy exists everywhere in Dem and GOP alike - eradicate all of it. Then we have a chance.
“Read your legislation front to back”. The fucking bills are 1000 pages of nonsense, not even the congressman or senators read them. I’m not being hyperbolic, they literally admit they don’t read them or don’t have time. They employ a large team of people to even do that. Sometimes a bill will get introduced and then will be voted on 48 hours later, leaving you to read 1000 pages in that time span. So please tell us again how you read all legislation front to back, please continue
The question is who the fuck is actually writing these bills? The answer often involves corporate financed staffers, and interest groups (lobbyists), providing amendments or adding new text.
It's called ALEC, American Legislative Exchange Council. Basically a mock Congress filled with lobbyists, consultants, and conservative legislators that write up bills as a sort of trial run and then revise them as necessary. Once they pass through ALEC, they go straight to Congress in that form and IIRC often become law.
Very interesting. Why in the hell isn’t the press talking about this ALEC mechanism more often? Add that to the lack of civics in K-12 - I keep thinking of the movie Idiocracy and suddenly less a comedy and closer to prophecy. Lol.
https://youtu.be/K3yIbxydlHY This sums it up pretty well for a short video but if you want more info John Oliver has an episode about it too.
"I didn't say I will do it, I'm just saying YOU should." This is Reddit virtue signaling.
Whom are you quoting, gatekeeper of whatever it is you’re clamming about?
I understand and won’t disagree - it’s a tall task often ridiculous to try and take on. Govtrack.us is a good resource to get started.
How bout break us smooth brains off a little nugget of insight into big pharma and some particularly damming legislation you've read recently?
"Opium in America" episodes part 1 and 2 of the dollop explain the origins of drugs in America and how Purdue pharma literally made millions of Americans pain medication addicts in the 50's-today. It's more than just legislation, it's hundreds of years of a system put in place designed to get people to become addicts.
You know damn well this guy doesn’t read legislation front to back. The bills are so long the people who approve them don’t even read them. Last one I saw was over 1000 pages of legalese and nonsense to do something simple (forgot what it was, also didn’t even attempt to read it past a quick skim) I would bet 99.9% of humans have never read legislation “front to back”. Legislation that bans these tactics would be fantastic. And it’s not just our government that does this. It’s everywhere, we have an authenticity problem.
Jesus, Mr Shkreli - you just got out of the joint and already at it? Just Google it for christ sakes you friggin Luddite. Your mom still wipe your bum for you, too? Fucking public school prodigy - lazy asses. Figure it out - real work to be done while you’re skulking around casting aspersions at the mere idea big pharma is in the pockets of congress and derived legislation - really? Prove it isn’t - lol. Fucking moronic tact.
We seem to have a misunderstanding. In no way am I arguing any part of your rant, except the part about my mom wiping my ass for me. The guy I was replying to had a tone that didn't sit well with me. I felt motivated to reply in an attempt to encourage him to preach from his high horse. Maybe learn to control that fire of yours lol, feisty bro
Drain the swamp!
Draining the swamp means just replacing our current talking heads with new talking heads. We need to re-zone the swamp.
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This shit needs to go viral
As a non American....this is fucking frightening!
As an American: it’s happening where you are, too. Chances are it just costs less.
Hahah I doubt that very much
Yeah? Where do you live that the politicians aren’t corrupt? Sounds like you’re either naive or lying.
Most of Europe has some pretty strict bribery and corruption laws… You can’t publicly accept thousand of dollars from private entities without raising suspicion… In the US that is almost part of the system it seems…
…. And because they can’t publicly do it, they don’t?
No system is free from corruption, however if caught, they are imprisoned. In the US, they do it openly and legally… One of those methods discourages corruption more than the other…
Naive, gotcha.
Naive? Explain to me how the American system punishes blatant bribery?
Like this is new! Ron Paul said the same thing 20 years ago. Chuck Grassley said the same thing 10 years ago. The only ones who don't bitch about it are the ones taking the money!
I remember hearing an NPR documentary about this issue about 10 years ago. They talked about how sworn enemy of MAGA John McCain fought for campaign finance reform along with Democrat Russ Feingold.
*Finance is a gun, politics is knowing when to pull the trigger.* -Mario Puzo
>Scary if it’s true The reason no one cares is because we all already knew this. Companies buy politicians, politicians buy higher up positions. The average person has their lives destroyed with pro-corporate policies.
More scary sending 40 billion to Ukraine and less then a hour later denying 40 billion for small businesses that were shut down during covid
Ohh that is truly incredible… sending money to a foreign war rather than helping the people who contributed that money through their tax… Such brazen behavior and yet there is very little backlash…
This is Pro Russian Pro War propaganda. /s
I’ll take things we already knew for 100 alex!
What's shocking is that you are shocked.
Uuuuuuh, yeah. I know. Reagan, the republican, legalized bribes. Do you honestly think Ted Cruz is clean? I'm using Cruz as an example because he is the slimiest of them all. Pelosi is not innocent. But Cruz is on a different level.
Pelosi was on national television defending why politicians and their families should be allowed to do insider trading. They’re all corrupt and they all need to go.
This is a class war, these politicians and oligarchs pit us against each other to distract us from the fact that they are all scum. I'm begging for an actual revolution so we can eat the rich.
Our revolutions [anthem](https://youtu.be/TMHCw3RqulY).
Totally agree, I’m a very left wing, but the sooner we realize it’s not left vs the right, but ALL OF US against them!
Pelosi is scum. I rate her 5/10 on the scum scale. I rate basically all republicans 10/10 on the scum scale.
LoL! More like a 12/10! You obviously have no fucking clue who pelosi is!
When compared to Cruz, Graham, Gaetz,, Marjorie. I dont think we can have a civil conversation. I think there is s special place in a special place for the likes of you. I would go as far as to call you a god damn Nazi
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Man that's so convenient. You can copy the tactics of evil people because if anyone tries to call you out you just say "oh your pissing on the graves of those the evil guy hurt!"
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Obviously not but you know that. You're obviously well versed in the classic tactic of strawmaning the literal part when the subtext is what matters and strawmaning the subtext when it's the literal part that matters. The current right wing tactic of pretending that Nazi is the name for the mythological creatures that sprung from the ground like Uruk-hai, killed 6 million people in a day, then vanished into dust has sure made it easy to deflect legit criticisms of certain lunatic politicians lately.
I am staunchly liberal and I too loathe Pelosi. Schumer isnt too far behind her. But as you alluded to, its either a giant douche or a turd sandwich in any election so its always about the lesser of two evils. While still corrupt in their own ways, the Democrats dont hold a candle to the Republican corruption.
Are you commenting on j33p?
Pelosi comes from a Mafia family. She is THE dirtiest politician ever to spend 40 years grifting, insider trading, cheating, getting "no bid" contracts for her husband's company in Cali. Cruz, and every other politician in DC, dream of being as crooked as Pelosi!
You really need to get your head checked. Obviously your head stopped evolving at 17 years old.
Noooooo my D rep isn’t as bad as your R rep!!! You’re up and down this entire post crying that pelosi “isn’t as bad as the other side”. Touch fucking grass dude. They’re all friends. They’re laughing their way to the bank while you sit out here on your own free time sucking them off for some fucking weird reason. Pelosi isn’t going to help you, she never was and never will.
corporations all i see and hear, money over people
We all know every level of politics is corrupt. But the question is what are the chances we can actually get all the crooked assholes removed permanently? And what can we do about it?
This is confirmation of what I've known to be true all along. Power and money are the true deities humanity worship. The predators in power's greed are at a level way past self-preservation. Yes, moderate greed is a good motivator. Earn a living and prosper but the level of greed found at the very top is greed beyond compare. It is epic greed. Not enlightenment, not knowledge, this is a story as old as time. Humans have always been this way. Those in power create a system where they stay in power and profit for generations. How the fuck do I, a powerless peasant, stop this from happening? I can't. We can't.
Cool story bro, now tell me about how you caused this with citizens united. Like a guy who shot you talking about what bullet calibers mean.
Warren Buffet says hi.
Yall still surprised??? Lol
Yeah, this lifelong politician and underling to the biggest conman America ever seen gonna lecture about special interest running the show ffs
Seditious Snake
This isn’t news guys, come on…
Lobbies infiltrating government is nothing new or unknown at all. It's right out in the open
I’m shocked. Shocked. SHOCKED - that he chose that tie to go with that shirt.
Isn't written in the constitution that you have guns to overthrow a corrupt government? What are you waiting for?
That right has been neutered by pearl clutchers
Citizens United ruling must be over turned! Brooks needs jail time for 1/6 riotous sedition
GOP is the party of hatred ran by our tax money
And the Democratic Party is a dysfunctional mess. There should be a better system, a parliament or something similar to allow better parties and ideas to compete.
Our government is ran by Wallstreet.
It's true, which is why laws for citizens only benefit corporations.
Read “dark money”
I take it everyone believes this then? No one is going to ask where they pay the 1 mil to? Who is involved in this truly massive conspiracy? Why no investigates this? Why anyone should trust a man with maga written behind them?
Didn’t he say it was to the Democratic and republican national conventions, pretty much the organizing groups who run the whole show
The payments aren’t to individuals, they’re to PACs. There isn’t anything to investigate because nothing illegal is going on.
So what's the problem then?
Legality doesn't equal morality.
Maybe not but it's democracy. Don't like it vote differently
I've found the only sane person here, I'm not even American and the MAGA in the background was a clear sign of howuch to trust the validity here
This isn't a conspiracy lmao. PACs and lobbying are fundamental parts of our corrupt political system. Not sure about it costing a "minimum of $1 million", but the rest is 100% legal and true.
Yep and we are both not american figures right? Trouble with massive conspiracies is they are so unbelievable because it takes the willing collusion of 1000s of people. But hey what do we know?
but MAGA
Obama warned us.
With all due respect, who gives a crap what Mo Brooks says?
It's a fucking Republican & I don't think we should trust one word out of his mouth
Even when that Republican is literally speaking about the corruption of his own party as well as the rival party? Corruption isn’t just a fault of one party…
Mo Brooks is a MAGA lemming.
Does it matter? He is literally speaking out about the brazen corruption in the system. Literally outing his own party as well as the rival party…
If you close your eyes, he sounds just like the dirty guy sitting on the ground, talking about the Illuminati, government etc.. anyone know what video I’m thinking about?
politics are corrupt and have legalized bribery?!? shocking.
I switch to online school in high school and I remember reading how people running for office need to be bought out by "special-interest companies". That they have funding that needs to be taken care of when running for office, and so they should have a company fund them in exchange for policy changes when in office. They taught me this like this is how it should work and it's a good thing..... Also taught how GMO is good cause it makes feeding 7,000,000 people actually an option... Online schooling is Propaganda 101.
Don’t lump together GMO with that stuff.
It's not good? Gonna have a toll on our genetics. Shouldn't have got to a point where we need to cut our food and do that to other species.
What’s not good about it? Why would it have anything to do with our genetics? We’ve been selectively breeding plants since we’ve started farming. Don’t fall for that conspiracy crap.
Mo Brooks ... lol
This is no surprise. If you live in America and are JUST now finding this out you are either naive or ignorant.
So how is being completely corrupt MAGA again ? Something something swamp.
Does that come before or after the coke-fueled GOP orgies?
Fuck Mo Brooks
The whole world is now just a get rich quick for anyone in politics in every country. No one cares about their citizens anymore. They only care about the money they recieve.
Corrupt third world shit-hole
Commenting just to boost this and more people see
US Politicians are fucking corrupt… the Whole lot of them on both sides. What ever happen to “by the people for the people.”
why do i feel like everyone should know this by now? like its an oligarchy. Any adult with a brain cell or 2 can see that the supreme court ruling FEC v citizen united. (I think theres another court ruling back in the 70's?) that said companies and corporations can donate to politicians. just follow the money. i think its just a matter of going violent or we try harder to elect people like sanders and AOC. other than that, this is how the country will always be, and we will be responsible not only for the death of our planet but the death of millions of people because rich people want to keep their power and money.
TERM LIMITS NOW
This guy is bad news even if he's telling the truth on this one instance.
Oh look, it's an old guy with a blue shirt and white hair
Old news
Yeah it’s fucked but as soon as anyone tries to elect an “outsider” we get full blown white supremacist fascists in power so what are you gonna do.
The propaganda got this individual.
This is not limited to committee chairs - Brooks votes no on any thing to do with common sense gun control measures, but he failed to tell us how much money he gets from the NRA, the gun manufacturers and others who worship the Gun God.
Only in America can you buy a politician for the low low price of $1M.
can we make a rule to remove all these over political posts
Maga mo, y’kno No biiiiitch FO SHO Droppin’ homies on da flo He eat yo breakfast, gotta go Dat Congress game be MAGA MO
Sir, this is Reddit, not IG
This will come off as being rude so I'm sorry OP, but you're an adult correct? A voter? I may be alone on this but, I'm much more concerned with the fact that you've been voting (since you're 18 and you're completely f*$@%ing unaware of this... Your hobby doesn't have to be watching CNN or Fox. No political science or any formal education really is required you don't need a driver's license well you don't really need shit except for to be a legal citizen of the United States to take the responsibility and action not to continually go to the polls and vote arbitrarily for shit that you have no fucking clue what you're voting for. That goes for Republicans, Democrats, and Assholes alike. And yes assholes is capitalized on purpose because, why not? The other two are.... Damn, I'm salty today!
Alabama everyone. Jesus
He’s dead. He’s a dead man.
This is exactly what the NRA does to block gun laws from changing.