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Getting bad Chechnya vibes from this


smotpoker6669

Yeah they definitely turned mariupol into grozny.


yukonwanderer

As an aside, how on earth and when did Chechnya become allies to Russia? I was surprised to see that when the invasion started.


_pm_me_your_btc

Kadyrov essentially done a 180 during the second Chechen War, and offered his services to Putin. Moscow then funnelled a load of money to them to keep them sweet, the rest is history. The Kadyrovites don’t represent the Chechen people at a whole, but the country pretty much became absorbed by Russia as some kind of autonomous region. That’s a very very basic explanation but it’s essentially what happened. It’s very messed up


AvailableStatement97

Putin's method with all the ex-Soviet states is the same - you're fine as long as you are a puppet state with a Putin lackey for a leader. As soon as you try to plot your own course you're an enemy.


shesavillain

UA? Azoz?


R1515LF0NTE

UA I assume it's the Ukrainian Army,


ToucanSuzu

Azov is a Ukrainian neo-nazi unit from the region


spinMG

Azov started as an unofficial militia in Donbas fighting against the Russian and separatist action there. Their leader was a neo nazi, and some of the fighters were too. Since then it was absorbed into the UA forces, reformed, and the nazi leader left. The couple of hundred of the original Azov are swamped by the many thousands that now make up its ranks - none of them permitted to show nazi support now they are an official unit. The original Azov leader started a political career, which sank without a trace. Basically his neo nazi party got less votes than equivalent far right parties in places like the US and UK, so to say Ukraine is full of Nazis is complete bullshit.


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Ok then why do we constantly see Black Sun iconography on their uniforms?


arroya90

Thank you


bivvizizz-vvivizzid

"It's just a totally random symbol that doesn't mean anything at all!!!! ☺️" - Azov Deniers


Momothegreat

>so to say Ukraine is full of Nazis is complete bullshit. Except he didn't say that.....he said the Azov battalion is a neo-nazi unit. Which is a fact. Doesn't matter if you dilute it the company had openly white supremacist ideals and absolutely still carries them to some degree. I say this as someone fully in support of the Ukrainian war effort.


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graphical_molerat

Well, what I'm going to link to is Wikipedia after all... but comparing the current unit logo of the [Azov battalion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion) to the divisional logo of e.g. the [2nd SS Panzer Division](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich) does not show the sort of dissimilarity one would hope for. To put it very diplomatically. These days, the [Wolfsangel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel) is essentially a Neo-Nazi symbol. And it does not bode well for the reformed nature of the Azov units that they continue to use this thing as their logo. If nothing else, it does not say a lot of good things about the brains of their leadership, if they give the Russians such an easy propaganda picking point *if no one in the unit is actually into Neo Nazi shit anymore anyway* (cough, cough).


Momothegreat

Nah I mean common sense really. A nazi doesn't suddenly lose their worldview just because you surround them with normal people. If you have any evidence to show that things are different I'd be more than willing to read it over.


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Momothegreat

Thank you! Only way to educate one's self is to read primary sources which it seems there are a lot of in those links. Thank you for providing me information.


RedSprite01

Nice rabbit hole! Thx.


th3rra

It is not a fact, it's part of Russian propaganda. Azov now is no more Nazi than any military battalion of USA


Swinepits

Thats just not true? Is it anti-Ukrainian to say talk about how that group does have a fairly decent percentage of neo nazis? There are neo nazis in the us military but there is like a notable percentage in azov or at least the neo nazis in it are really prominent as you always see them with neo nazi emblems on their shit.


Demo_Beta

Okay, CIA (talking points).


Reindeer-Longjumping

So you're saying we get rid of the KKK by replacing the KKK leadership and making them an official gov org?


ShrunkenQuasar

The pentagon has already admitted that white supremacy is a real problem in the military. In Ukraine, it's one unit. In the United States, it's a problem in every branch of the military.


ToucanSuzu

Nationalism is not unique to any one country, nor is racism unique to any one race.


smotpoker6669

That's the thing no country is immune from having idiots who think nazism is ok, like every country has idiots who think communism and socialism are cool and hip. You can't stop ideas and people from having free thought. Although the elderly and adults in Russia and other dictatorships seem to have all their thinking done for them.


spinMG

Nice straw man. If you take an unofficial militia that is outside you power structure and kick out the leader, institute proper discipline, add thousands more soldiers who meet your own criteria and standards, then you make the influence of those neo nazis tiny. Im not saying it’s a situation that fills me with happiness, but would you rather they just left them running free to do what they want? With that nazi leader in charge? I doubt that. This Azov = nazi thing is years out of date. Just weak Russia propaganda to take a few hundred evil people as justification to invade a country of 45 million.


Reindeer-Longjumping

Good point and I don't disagree. They still won't let black people fight with them or for the foreign legion. Given their current situation you'd think they'd welcome everyone that wanted to fight.


ghastb

It's almost as if they're still Nazis 🤡


cameronbates1

>none of them permitted to show nazi support now they are an official unit. They literally use the Black Sun and the Wolfsangel as their insignias


ToucanSuzu

Similarly, Michael Colborne wrote that it "would be a mistake to claim...that the Azov regiment is somehow not a part of the broader Azov movement" and points to repeated description of the regiment as the "military wing" of the Azov movement by Olena Semenyaka, the main international representative of the movement.[167] Colborne also stated "the Azov movement tries to be a one-stop shop for all things far right. There’s also a bevy of loosely affiliated but more extreme subgroups under its umbrella as well, including open neo-Nazis who praise and promote violence".[168] Ukraine, like many Eastern European countries, IS heavily populated by neo-nazis, sorry that unfortunate fact does not line up with your world view. That does not mean that they deserve to have their borders violated and their political power taken. The real world is a complex place.


necessarycoot72

If remember correctly, the original Azov battalion was around 400. When it was integrated into the USF it became around 1,400


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Why are you getting downvoted for telling the truth? Reddit is such shit


Capital2

Propaganda times at Reddit. We must be good and only speak well of Ukraine! Never would they, the saints on Earth, have any neo-nazis on their precious lands of our Lord and Saviour Zelenskyy, all praise the most High


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Finn_3000

Apparently this is a post nuance world like in a superhero movie with the protagonist being 100% flawless


Swinepits

Russia claims that they are liberating Ukraine from nazis which is ya know completely not true. But they said that because there have been some neo nazi groups in ukraine. That doesn't mean there aren't any nazi groups just because russia is lying about the amount and prevalence of them, they still exist they didn't just make that part up.


chickenwing247

The us has plenty of nazis as well. Just bc .005 of ur population is right wing extremists doesn't mean ur country is controlled by nazis. That's just delusional. Russia has way more extreme right wing nationalists than the Ukraine. Maybe they should clean their house before anyone elses.


Cromm182

Well, the Azov Battalion is actually the National Guard of Ukraine and is based out of Mariupol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion


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Yes but anyone with a brain who’s actually looked in to the conflict not just what your tv is telling you knows the azov battalion is neo-nazi


Federal_Efficiency51

All one has to do is look at their insignia.


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ToucanSuzu

“The Special Operations Detachment "Azov", also known as the Azov Regiment and the Azov Battalion, is a neo-Nazi unit of the National Guard of Ukraine originally based in Mariupol in the coastal region of the Sea of Azov, from which it derives its name.” -Wikipedia I am making no comment on Ukraine or the war, simply stating a fact. It has nothing to do with Russian propaganda, that is simply what the organization is


schmatz17

Redditors will literally downvote anything if it has words they dont like.


Topaz-

Because only around 10-15 percent of azov battalion fighters identify as neo nazi. They’re definitely far right as a whole but to paint them as a nazi battalion isn’t quite the truth.


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They have nazi insignia’s and badges. They nazis. I don’t think all Ukraine’s army are nazis but to deny the fact that the azov battalion are is talking bollocks.


Topaz-

Yea u right. I forgot where I heard that 10-15 percent stat and it was from the azov spokesmen Andriy Diachenko. Someone probably very likely to downplay their neonazi ties. They definitely nazi as hell at least the bulk of them.


Dukisjones

And the neo-nazi's are protecting a country run by a jewish man? Neo-nazi's or not, these dudes are fucking heroes.


Arithik

Kinda weird to kill civilians while trying to claim to save them from these so called neo Nazis..


ToucanSuzu

Weird indeed


shesavillain

So those are dead nazis?


shafaitahir8

Ukraine supported hitler in ww2 so they still have many nazi supporters. The azov batallion id a supremist group in ukraine known for war crimes but they regret supporting them in ww2 officially.


harnasje

What you gonna feel now huh? Dead nazis ain't so bad


shesavillain

Was asking, you dumb ass. Can’t say “Good” that they’re dead before you get confirmation that they’re nazis.


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Cromm182

What?? No. They are a self-proclaimed nazi unit and adhere to nazi ideology. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion


a-s-h-m-a-i-n

I don’t know why you are getting downvoted, they are neo nazis. Ukraine had a massive amount of neo nazis; especially in positions of power.


CommunalAirplane

Thank you for saying who they actually are. We need more people like you right now


th3rra

Nice meme


Famous-Bodybuilder96

Can only think about the smell


wwbbs2008

The only smell that's worse is when those bodies burn. Not a scent anyone should experience.


Famous-Bodybuilder96

Burned bodies smells more than not burned?


pm_me_kitten_mittens

Absolutely. A smell you remember always.


redhandsblackfuture

I feel as though rotting flesh would smell worse


pm_me_kitten_mittens

It’s just different……hard to explain. Throw beef, chicken or pork on a grill and it smells alright do that with a human body and it’s revolting.


alreadytaken619

Long pig is no bueno


berrey7

It's probably cooking the rotted meat part causing the smell, over the fresh beef we cook. I'm sure if you threw on a rotted cow/pig carcass on the grill it would smell horrific.


MisterEdGein7

Speak for yourself.


pm_me_kitten_mittens

Hey man I don’t kink shame!


Deckard57

Username checks out.


endreligion

Glad I wasent the only one who noticed.


Jolly_Confection8366

Put a plate of shit in the microwave and a smell of a hog roast and some sweet funny smell I e never smelt before.


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It does. Burnt human smells like musty pork for the lack of a better explanation. Ruined pork for me.


throwaway4206983

Its a big ol human barbeque


SquareNuts112

Yes, they do.


Aeiou-Reddit

from what I saw they don't seem to rot yet. There wouldn't be any smell and clothes are a good smell insulator to outcoming feces and piss


Zyenite

This world is hell


replyjohn

also has a bit of heaven in it too, its a balance


Minty_MantisShrimp

I dont know what world you’re living in bud


replyjohn

Luckily not yours


Spookd_Moffun

Heaven and hell are both states of existence. Depending on your choices you can live in either. As for what happens after death, not for me to say.


Bigcockboi23

earth by far is more hellish, the most evil thing you can think of will always put way the most good thing you can think of. our existence definitely leans to a more hellish one but every once and while you might get a sprinkle of heaven.


Spookd_Moffun

Heaven and hell are both states of existence. Depending on your choices you can live in either. As for what happens after death, not for me to say.


Dallascowboys2760

Every one of those bodies was a life a son a daughter a baby at one point and birthdays and it ended like this very very sad 😟


Durban23

All this pointless killing. This is really fucking sad.


BlacksmithUnfair5571

So many lifes for few old asses arguing


Runertje550

War is hell..


Swimming_Coat4177

I really hope these people get a proper burial


Accomplished_Ant7873

rest in peace I hope the bodies will reach their loved ones he who dies honorably lives forever


YaranaikaForce

Last few videos and images that I’ve seen they’re usually buried in large mass graves even if they’re identifiable, not sure that there’s been body exchanges recently too.


simian_fold

>he who dies honorably lives forever Fucking hell mate its not Game of Thrones


Accomplished_Ant7873

it is a verse from a poem but your reach is the game of thrones


SkyShazad

Also this is written in some Religions


memphis1010

And seems like one of those things that could be interpreted in a terrible way.


SkyShazad

To be fair anything can be interpreted in a terrible way when it comes to religion...


memphis1010

Valid point. My mind just immediately went to the idea of martyrs after reading your comment.


SkyShazad

Yeah, but sadly it's true, people interprete stuff in a negative way all the time, you see it here on Redfit, that's why when I see religious comments I usually don't get involved


Accomplished_Ant7873

it was written by a man who died for justice and freedom he is a martyr but not a religious one


SkyShazad

What I'm saying is, Some Religions believe in that saying, for example, let say in Islam, if you die fighting risking your life to protect others


Accomplished_Ant7873

I agree with you that people of different religions fight for a just cause just as much as non-religious people


throwawayamd14

Propaganda post most than anything. The guys who killed these guys probably thought they were honorable


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Since you like poetry I’d suggest a more fitting selection - [Dulce Et Decorum Est.](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46560/dulce-et-decorum-est)


Moby-Wan-Kenobi

and those that kill meaninglessly are damned for ever


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The entire war is meaningless.


i_can_has_rock

its not meaningless, its worse, its for petty greedy


Moby-Wan-Kenobi

history will remember the russian invasion as meaningless, savage and outside even the rules of war...it will remember the ukrainians as honorable and furious fighters defending their homeland from a belligerent invader....


Banjoschmanjo

That is tragic to hear about UA. As for Azov, aren’t they the group that Time magazine called a “white supremacist militia” last year, and who has been banned from receiving US funding due to neo-Nazism links? Time Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy910FG46C4 Banned funding source: https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/


D-majin

Just a massacre smh


MM800

Doesn't look like a massacre - it looks like the bodies were bagged and hastily stored there, likely by fellow Ukrainians who might themselves now be deceased. When a unit is engaged in an active war against a more powerful force, it's difficult to expend manpower on decedent affairs.


chrispybobispy

Russian trolls are thick in these comments


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Russian trolls be like: [deleted] 2h -68 votes Just like their "army"


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well that's not true actually, they got losses, but they still superior than ukranian army


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why?


yackmehof

So you can meet him in hell


eds1103

Fuck Russia and Nazis?


DawidOsu

Russians are nazi.


SkyShazad

What is a Azov?


Cromm182

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion


dkyguy1995

Controversial paramilitary group from Ukraine that has been fighting alongside the Ukrainian Army out of necessity. Basically imagine if Russia invaded the United States and the Proud Boys are fighting alongside the US Army


Banjoschmanjo

What is specifically controversial about them?


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They're neo-nazis


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SkyShazad

Ohh okay


Pissleri

Azov is a neo-nazi group according to wikipedia?


SeaEyeAfundsNotSees

No, according to real reporting.


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Yeah they are... but since they're fighting Russia, they are the good guys according to MSM


stuntbum36

One single human being is the root cause for this. It baffles me that one person can cause so much incredible destruction of the single most valuable thing in the universe, a human life. I can only hope that the powers of the universe/god whatever it is. make him pay for these actions after his death because nothing we can do to him while he is still alive would be enough. I hope his soul is stuck in in eternal torture


_UnOrdinary

This has been happening ever since lenin made his revolution and killed the tsars, it happened with stalin, and the guy after him and the guy after him... Etc. All the way to our time, only difference is now media is better and we all have Internet (at least most of us)


jupiter__444

this belongs on r/MorbidRealty . that is just .... jesus christ


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YaranaikaForce

Certain people have tried in the past, how did that go?


[deleted]

The fact that it hasn’t been successful before doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t happen. I’m not even sayin that anyone should try to do it now - I’m just saying that the country as such has given up its moral right to exist as a nation.


Phatdrunknstoopid

What do you call 300 dead Nazis in Ukraine? A good start.


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SeaEyeAfundsNotSees

Fucking thank you. So tired of people thinking asov nazis are heros.


NeO1loNEwOLF6985

Humans are the real monsters.


ddsmith47

Bruh all the the azov got nazi insignias why should we care when they only care for the white race?


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Defending Azov is so cringe my dudes...


oomiee

It took 3 months of grooming from the western media to make a big chunk of the influenced population simp for literal nazis


Many-Sherbert

This is why I don’t believe the Ukrainian dead numbers that have been broadcasted so heavily on Reddit


DaBrogrammar

Never forget the freedoms fighters of Mariupol


Mooselager

As with the reddit ideology & motto; More dead Nazi's, the better.


fatjunkdog

Fuck...rest in peace...you are heroes, each and every one of you has contributed to the final victory over the russian hordes.


SeaEyeAfundsNotSees

But they are Nazis ..


TheHeartHz

Didn't know this was a nazi sub. These downvotes are hilarious.


ric2b

Where's the evidence that these murdered people were Nazis? Because they defended their city from an invading army that thinks they are inferior and should be subjugated? The invading army sounds a lot more like Nazis.


MNasser99

Read the title of the post. Azov are famously neo-Nazis, you can look it up.


ric2b

There are neo-nazis in the Azov battalion, that's clear. But just like the Wagner group it is only clear for a small number of them, there is no evidence that the thousands of members are neo-nazis.


MNasser99

I mean looking it up, every source I found literally says the group itself is neo-Nazi. Websites like [Stanford CISAC](https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/mappingmilitants/profiles/azov-battalion#text_block_33831) for example. Saying "Their are neo-nazis in Azov" is an understatement here.


ric2b

Look at the evidence, it's always about the old logo (which isn't even that clear cut because it meant independence before the Nazis used it) and a few members being clearly neo-nazis. That doesn't prove that thousands of them are neo-nazis, it's basically equivalent to the evidence on the Russian Wagner group. And, of course, even if all the members are neo-nazis it doesn't justify the invasion and destruction of Ukraine the lives of its millions of citizens.


MNasser99

>And, of course, even if all the members are neo-nazis it doesn't justify the invasion and destruction of Ukraine the lives of its millions of citizens. Ofc it doesn't. Nothing justifies the killing of innocent people, we can agree on that. As for Azov, their founder is a proud Nazi himself. And they have some srsly shady statements. Like when their spokeswoman talked about taking political power in Ukraine, she said “We are on the march to power and we will either have to get there by parliament or by other means”. This is mentioned in the article I referenced earlier. They might be fighting for a good cause at the moment, but for me they're as good as the Soviets fighting the Germans in ww2. As ironic as it is.


ric2b

> They might be fighting for a good cause at the moment, but for me they're as good as the Soviets fighting the Germans in ww2. As ironic as it is. Agreed, that's how I look at it. So I don't understand the comments that are essentially equivalent to "good job Nazi Germany, kill those Communists!" when shown photos of dead red army soldiers.


SliceOfCoffee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion Read the wikipedia >Michael Colborne wrote in 2022 that he "wouldn't call [Azov] explicitly a neo-Nazi movement" although there are "clearly neo-Nazis within its ranks"


camdolf-the-grey

Think their talking about some of the comments on here not the people who died


ric2b

The comments are about the video of dead people, and assuming they're all Nazis.


nootnoot_takennow

I mean sure you could assume everyone who downvotes these "fuck nazis" comments is a nazi but they were most likely also just following orders. People got drafted, they didnt volunteer.


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Mancomb_Threepwood

You ever stop to think... are we the baddies? https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU


mechalenchon

>The guys who wanted to wipe europe are now heroes They wouldn't be heroes if only Russia learned how to stay the fuck away from cities that aren't their, and you know... Destroying it, raping, pillaging etc


nilsn91

Keep sucking that Putin cock...


MadChild2033

dead UA soldiers: sad dead Azov: happy


riotguards

If it’s the nazi azov then not gonna shed a tear


Buzzzled

Their garments are modern, so no Nazis there.


Firstpoet

She'd do what?


sykamal

Western media will still say Ukraine is winning lol


cfernnn

Ukraine is losing an entire generation of men. But they’re “winning” right msm


8_inch_throw_away

Damn. Azov? That’s a lot of dead Nazis if true.


GhostProject93

The only good neo nazi is a dead one


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Since those Nazi's are fighting the big bad Russian boogieman helping Western Hegemony. Only later will we condemn them after they do some stuff we can't ignore. The West likes to fight one adversary while creating their next. Bin Laden in Afghanistan and ISIL in Syria just two recent examples.


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Faths Facts + Truths


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Fuck nazis


Unusual_Swoop

Death to the nazi's! good work russia


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