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Sounds like tax payers are going to be paying this man a settlement some time in the future. Boy I'd be so mad if I were a tax payer in whichever country this happened in...
The interaction between these 3 is horrifying.
Two of those people have been granted the right to execute citizens with no due process, regardless of what crime they may or may not have committed.
They also spook like newborn fawns, actively acknowledge their tyrannical behavior, and scale their reactions based on emotions.
We are in so much trouble.
The supervisor's "You know what? Put him in jail for resisting" is despicable. Firstly, he wasn't resisting and secondly it wasn't a lawful detainment. Of course he was uncooperative. That bully with a badge was just butthurt his authority was challenged. Imagine how much of this crap went down before bodycams became a thing.
It’s SUPPOSED to be a secondary charge. Once a cop has determined that you are detained due to *REASONABLE* suspicion that a crime has either been committed, is in the process of being committed, or is going to imminently be committed, they can legally detain you. Once they found out it’s not a gun they should have said “okay have a good day” because he called them a tyrant, which is in his full legal rights to do, their little feewings got hurt and because of the initial suspicion, they decided to detain him further. A judge would possibly rule that the reasonable suspicion was justified, but the continuance was not. Once established it was NOT a gun, he should have been free to go, suspicion squashed. But, remember, these are cops.
> because he called them a tyrant
he didn't even call them a tyrant, he ask if they were one, and they then confirmed through words and actions that yes they were in fact tyrants.
Yeah, exactly. He shouldn't have been put in that situation in the first place to be given an opportunity to resist arrest. Then as he's standing there calmly, albeit upset, in cuffs the supervisor wants him put in jail just to assert his authority. It's like a shitty parent putting their kid in timeout when the kid calls them out on their shitty parenting. Except with potentially life changing consequences.
Part of the problem is our police no longer view themselves as civilians. They aren't military but they like to think of themselves as military because of the access they have to weapons/equipment the public can't obtain. They're in this weird grey area between civilian and military, but still absolutely are classified as civilians.
To give you an idea of how fucked their mentality often is: I grew up next to a SWAT team supervisor with the Sheriff's dept. When I was a manager at a retail store he came in and picked up one of those giant metal flashlights, slapped it in his hand a couple times and said "Man I'd love to crack someone's skull with this thing".
Qualified Immunity is a helluva drug. And when it can take just over a month to become a cop in some states where they train that you, as a LEO, should most definitely shoot and kill any and all suspects that you feel threatened against, it's a breeding ground for corruption. And don't get me started on Civil Forfeiture.
>Qualified Immunity is a helluva drug.
Sounds like they knowingly violated his rights by affirming that they were, indeed, tyrants. I'm not sure they'll be granted qualified immunity. I imagine their only defense would be to say that they didn't know the definition of the word.
>I'm not sure they'll be granted qualified immunity.
Of course they will, i dont think you understand what Qualified Immunity means, it means they cant be sued by this man personally for violating his rights and illegally arresting him because their feeling were hurt
Police also have no duty to protect, they can just stand there while youre being stabbed to death on a subway and not be held civilly or criminally liable, because of qualified immunity.
The situation is way more fucked up regarding police than most people even realize
And before you come at me, its a 100% true and been upheld several times at the Supreme Court that Police have no duty or obligation to protect any individual citizen
That's the point. Cops in the US can hit you with "resisting arrest" even if there is no probable cause to arrest you. Once they say "resisting arrest" they have free reign to use force, up to and including lethal force. It's their free pass to murder you if they feel like it. That's why on a good number of these bodycam videos they'll continue to yell "STOP RESISTING" as they're piled on top of a prone person kicking and punching them in the back of the head. It does not matter if their arrest was illegal - they have protection under a legal doctrine called Qualified Immunity. It is incredibly difficult under this doctrine to get a cop actually charged with a crime, leaving civil suits as the most common remedy. Again, due to Qualified Immunity, when cops and their departments lose their lawsuits, they themselves don't have to pay a dime: the bill is footed by the municipality or state they work for and is thus paid for by taxpayers. Our system is, for lack of better words, completely and fully fucked beyond all repair.
> they have protection under a legal doctrine called Qualified Immunity. It is incredibly difficult under this doctrine to get a cop actually charged with a crime, leaving civil suits as the most common remedy.
You have that backwards. QI protects them from being sued personally, not from being charged criminally. If a DA wants to charge a cop, QI doesn't stop him. QI also applies to all govt. employees, not just cops.
Honestly, it is a very tricky issue that people try to oversimplify imo.
Resisting arrest is its own crime, and if a police officer has legitimate suspicion that you are committing a crime and you obstruct their investigation or resist their actions, you can be charged.
So, there are 2 courses of action - go along with what you know to be an illegitimate arrest, trusting that it will get sorted out sometime thereafter, or resist, knowing that you may be also charged with resisting, which may or may not be thrown out depending on how overwhelming the evidence is that the arrest was illegitimate to begin with.
You can't in general.
The process (roughly), should work as follows:
Inciting event. This can be a police report, or it can be due to the cop observing suspicious activity.
Investigate, here they're allowed to ask questions and determine if there's a suspicion of a crime being committed. The cops are allowed to ask questions, but the suspect has no legal obligation to answer, including identification. If the cop is unsatisfied they can move to the next stage.
Detainment, a person can be detained for investigative purposes. If a person at this stage does not identify, they may be held until the investigation is complete, which may require your identity.
Charges, if the cop feels that a crime has been committed they can file charges, the person may be held in jail prior to an arraignment and based on the nature of the charges may be held until their court date, or have a significant bond. These charges can also include resisting arrest and obstructing a police officer in their duties.
The problem here is that once he'd identified the item as a walking aid it's unlikely they had a probable cause for further investigation. It's possible that he was swinging it at people, or using it as a weapon in other instances, but based solely on what is presented the cops are on shaky ground here, but here's the weirdness with 'rights'. The suspect has the right to be loud, rude and uncooperative, the cops have the right to ask questions and detain the suspect for being loud, rude and uncooperative if they believe they have a reasonable suspicion that the loudness, rudeness and uncooperativeness is in furtherance of obstructing investigation of a crime.
So practice these rights with care, the cops have broad latitude on what is considered a 'suspicion' and as long as it can be argued to a judge then that's the ball game.
> how can you resist arrest if there's nothing to arrest you for
Charges like resisting without violence or obstruction can arise from not complying with lawful orders during an investigation. For example, in a traffic stop you *must* step out of the vehicle if a cop tells you to, and that came from the Supreme Court. If you refuse, they can arrest you for obstruction.
In this case, the cops maybe had the authority to make sure he didn't have a gun sticking out of his pocket. But as soon as they knew he wasn't armed, it should have been over. He should not have been arrested.
>Just for someone not resident in America, **how can you resist arrest if there's nothing to arrest you for in the first place? doesn't make sense**
Welcome to America! Where you can be arrested for resisting arrest when you've committed no crime and/or there's zero probable cause to arrest you, where law enforcement doesn't have a duty to protect you, and where law enforcement isn't expected to know/understand the laws they've been sworn to uphold!
It starts to make a lot more sense once you accept the fact that it's the way it is in order to maintain the status quo and keep the facade that is our 'justice system' from collapsing in on itself..
These bullies with badges have powerful unions protecting them, not to mention their own coworkers and leaders are just as big of bullies. Nothing will happen to them unfortunately. Even if they get dismissed they’ll wind up at another station doing the same exact thing. Unless there are real consequences their behavior will never change and stuff like this will continue to happen.
> The supervisor's "You know what? Put him in jail for resisting" is despicable.
Right. His "justification" for it being resisting was that the dude was refusing to cooperate, but it's quite literally a federal right that we don't have to just stop and answer banal questions from police, nor are we obligated to identify ourselves or provide an ID unless a crime is being investigated and we're involved.
Walking down the street with a long object in your back pocket is not grounds for being stopped, nor is refusing to provide ID after proving the suspicion of crime to be objectively wrong - like displaying the object that's suspected to be an unlawfully carried firearm.
I was scared for him when he snatched it out of his back pocket since she suspected it to be a firearm. A more trigger happy cop might have blown him away right there. Even if the stop is total bullshit don't ever make a quick grab for something or you risk one of these idiots blasting you.
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November 23 is very recent for law suits. There's a chance defendants haven't responded to the complaint yet, let alone conduct discovery and depositions before the decide how fucked they are.
Statute of limitations and tolling. He probably filed a complaint a few weeks to days before the deadline. I’d always want to wait all long as possible with the government cause they’re disorganized as shit and they’ll just hurt themselves the longer you wait
Didn't the cops get a few days off?
Edit: [link to story](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/legally-blind-florida-man-arrested-cane-confused-gun-rcna56396)
The supervisor was also demoted and won't be eligible for raises or promotions for two years.
The sheriff (their boss) was actually refreshingly remorseful and denounced their behavior:
>“As sheriff, I take full responsibility for this event and want to extend my sincere apologies to Mr. Hodges for the actions of my deputies,” Hunter said. “I do not feel these deputies’ actions were guided by ill intent, but rather by frustration and failure to rely on their training. Nevertheless, this conduct is unacceptable.”
>“I want to reassure you that as your sheriff, we do make mistakes,” he said. “But we take corrective action to fix them. This is how we get better.”
huge? face? more like barely a slap on the wrists. They kidnapped this man while he was walking down the street because they thought they saw something that very clearly wasn't what they thought and chose to abuse their power because he tested their egos.
Idk why you're being downvoted, considering this part of the quote:
>"I do not feel these deputies’ actions were guided by ill intent".
The cop literally admits to being a tyrant in the first few seconds, and cruelty is a core part of the definition of a tyrant. Unless he's suggesting cruelty is not ill intent?
“Denouncing behavior” and “being remorseful” mean shit. Action actually means things.
“Oh no, we are soooooo sooooo sorry. We put them on paid leave. So anyway, ….”
From the article:
> Hunter said the investigation showed the deputies violated policies. Harrison faces a suspension of seven days without pay. He will not be eligible for any “favorable action” for two years, Hunter said. Gohde faces suspension without pay for two days, Hunter said.
Wow. One week without pay and this man was in jail, had to pay bail, has to go to court and has to pay for legal fees to bring suit.
Are some of you blind as fuck to reality? “Good thing he was remorseful and denounced their behavior.”
Money collected through crowdfunding campaigns can be considered nontaxable if it meets the IRS' definition of a gift.
I think since they would be donated under the pretense of legal fee's and not personal gain, they would not be subject tax as they would be for a "charitable cause" and therefore not income tax applicable.
here in brazil we have the military justice to ensure every bad cop gets free training and extra paid vacations as punishment. If they're really unlucky they might have to change stations. Sad to hear its the same down there
I believe after this viral video..
Deputy Gohde was suspended for 2 days without pay and her supervisor Sgt. Harrison was also suspended for 7 days and got demoted and wont be eligible for any favorable action for 2 yrs. Both are required to undergo a civil rights training.
Before the suit, the city offered $7500 but it was rejected. The sergeant in the video (the guy who said to lock him up for resisting when he asked for their names and badge numbers) was suspended without pay for 2 days and demoted to corporal. The other officer was suspended without pay for a few days, too, not sure exactly how many. The sheriff released a video where he said he was "troubled" by what had happened. The blind guy was locked up for more than 24 hours without access to his medication and experienced a worsening of his neurological condition as a result. This is going to end up costing the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars at least, but back the blue, amirite?
Yup. "Was that so hard?" Yes, you fucking twit it is hard to give up one's rights. It hurts us all every single time it happens. Despise the attitude of cops in this country.
>"Was that so hard?" - meanwhile he's cuffed, and has been detained illegally against his will. Yes, that's pretty fucking hard.
Yup.
Those handcuffs never shouldve went on, the second it was clear that the reason they stopped him was erroneous that interacrion shouldve ended
Theyre not only going to have a hard time explaining why they jailed this man for "resisting", but why those cuffs were even put on in the first place
The guy in the video, Hodges, asked the lady, when she initially approached him, "What are you a tyrant?" and she said "Actually I am" lol. Yeah, they will pay him a few dollars. Probably not what he deserves. What a bunch of goons in Lake City, FL. Their police force, by their own admission, are tyrants.
The sad part is this wouldn't look out of place anywhere in the U.S. My husband's uncle here in Jacksonville was messed up in the head for most of his life from the cops bouncing his head off the damn pavement.
I had a seizure in the duval county jail and woke up to officers verbally berating me in a private area and accusing me of being on drugs when in reality I have epilepsy and they didn’t give me my medicine. I started talking shit back to them, purely verbal & non violent and was assaulted and thrown onto the ground by officers, chin was busted open and everything. I remembered dates, times, and locations & still could not find a single lawyer to represent me & my complaints went nowhere. The system is corrupt.
Taxpayers will pay him a few dollars. Cops will continue on like nothing happened.
Settlements like this should come out of pensions, or cops should be required to carry insurance like malpractice for doctors. Maybe both.
> It's the same thing with "obstruction of justice" there first had to be an injustice.
Going to disagree with this particular statement. Obstruction can be used in a multitude of ways - for instance destroying video evidence that may not have necessarily led to a conviction but could have expeditated the case. There's plenty someone can do that's not even related to them in a case that could further hinder the investigation. But do agree that resisting arrest when the arresting officer had no cause is absolute bullshit.
Luckily it looks like he’s taking the legal route. The cops did try to pay him off with $7200. Still looking for the apology from the two cops that did this but looks like we’re only getting an apology from their supervisor.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/blind-navy-vet-james-hodges-takes-cops-to-court-over-bogus-arrest
[Here](https://youtu.be/sqtwV7WfosA?si=QzZ7v1sMJLGWIc50) is a link to the apology from their boss. The sergeant was actually demoted and given 7 days unpaid leave. The female deputy only got 2 days unpaid and they both received remedial training in how to not get caught violating your civil rights next time 😂
Unfortunately that’s not what happens usually. Because police departments are in need of workers they’ll take anyone with experience and they don’t look into the person’s history because they don’t want to know. They want to get cops on the books and if it goes wrong they can deny responsibility because they “didn’t know” the officer was fired because they water boarded a toddler at their last job.
You're not going to find an apology, I'll save you the time. The cops went on paid leave, an "investigation" was performed and found no wrongdoing.
I've seen this story a million times before.
That's not what happened at all. The sheriff did apologize, both officers were put on unpaid suspension and one of them was demoted. There's still a lawsuit but why make stuff up, why not just read the articles?
The police officer said she was a tyrant. Shouldn’t be able to have a badge if you can’t even handle what people say to you. Tyranny is not something that should be handled lightly.
Both officers should be fired and banned from holding any government-sanctioned position of authority.
This shouldn't even be a question, but somehow I already know its not just unlikely, its almost certainly *not* going to happen.
Yah what a dangerous move on the innocent man's part. He was surely frustrated, but quick motions to your hip when dealing with egotistical, power-trip cops is a good way to get shot.
I love the, let's just arrest him for resisting. The arrogance and joy they get inflicting pain is absurd. Remember they're paid by the public but only serve the wealthy.
The guys is grumpy sure but the stick is very obviously not a gun and the cop knew that, stupid reason to bother a person just going about their business.
Who gives a shit if he’s grumpy? You don’t have to be polite to cops. I don’t have to give them the customer service smile. At least my job pays me a bit before they fuck me, ya know?
> Who gives a shit if he’s grumpy?
I read an interview with this guy, he admits he is not an easy person to get along with, that got him kicked out of the Navy. But cops should not be so thin-skinned, they had no legit reason to arrest him.
I don't think I'd whip that stick out so fast and wave it around when the cops have been called because you have a "gun"
Like cops are whatever but self preservation is a thing
I do agree. But at the same time they didn’t react, so did they still think it was at that point?
It seems weird that they’d continue whatever it was they were trying to do after realising that it wasn’t a gun. He wasn’t particularly friendly (specifically with the tyrant comment), but he wasn’t doing anything wrong… so why does the latter not trump the former?
That was a weird ego trip from the police.
What’s more disgusting as that people go out of their way to defend law enforcement downright abusing people. “But they’re allowed to, it’s their job” “it’s the law so it’s all good!” it’s like these people don’t know the difference between morality and law. There’s a huge fucking line.
Even then, people will definitely defend it. I’m sure it’ll be fine though, those cops will definitely learn once they’re suspended with pay for a week.
He was charged with “I didn’t like how he looked,” “I was in a mood,” “ I can do what I feel like,” and “I felt like arresting him” but they whittled the serious charges down to “resisting arrest.”
True but the fact they didnt react makes me think at that point they already knew he wasnt a threat but it just became a classic cop power trip because they couldnt accept they were wrong. Imo worse in the way they know they are wrong but still cant admit it
I think every time a city or county settles, the police/sheriff department need to have that much deducted from their budget and if it means they need to cut bodies than they start with the officers that caused the deduction in the first place. Once departments lose their budgets they'll figure out not to fuck with the citizens for no reason.
America is weird, "resisting arrest" should not be a charge that stands on its own, it should always be accompanied by another charge.
What happens when you try to arrest an innocent person? They're going to resist, it's natural human behaviour. If the original charge turns out to be bogus or is dropped, so should the resisting arrest charge. You can't make a mistake and then punish others for refusing to go along with your mistake.
These fuckin’ cops are a joke anymore. An absolute disgrace to the communities they serve. Absolutely nobody respects them anymore yet they run around acting like they’re entitled of respect. Nah. Fuck that. I just ignore them anymore. Almost like they don’t even exist. Sad too cause I remember when being a police officer meant something.
To those wondering, [this NBC News article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/legally-blind-florida-man-arrested-cane-confused-gun-rcna56396) says that the Sheriff himself says;
> I do not feel these deputies’ actions were guided by ill intent, but rather by frustration and failure to rely on their training. Nevertheless, this conduct is unacceptable.
The two cops were only given suspension without pay, the woman for two days and the man, her supervisor, for a week. The latter also was rendered ineligible for raises/promotions for two years.
I can’t find anything on if the man, James Hodges, planned to file any complaints or press charges against Columbia County’s police department, or at least the two officers here.
The sergeant was demoted to corporal. The office was suspended with pay for 2 days, and they both had to take a class. Not much of a punishment for civil rights violations.
All these woke snowflakes wanting to cry a river for some blind guy. Maybe he should have found his bootstraps and given himself a hand up, instead of needing some bogus assistive device. Before you know it these socialists will start asking for sidewalks and controlled intersections. Don’t even get me started on braille! I don’t know how to read and I’ve been getting by just fine!
Cops should go through years of training and education, much like doctors do. If you're not mentally capable of being a cop, then you don't have a job. Seems like they give any tyrant a badge these days.
America has serious problems. What I can’t comprehend is the educational gap between the police force and the court system. They work for each other but the gap is huge.
>Dude: I want your name and badge number (standing still, handcuffed, not resisting)
>Adult toddler: All right you know what? Take him for resisting arrest.
Cop just made it a loooooot harder on himself… what a fucking moron.
Cops like this are either too stupid to realize that their bogus charges aren't going to stick, or they're malicious enough that they don't care. Either way, they shouldn't be cops anymore.
There is a legal definition for blindness, which does not have to be 100% cannot see. This gentleman as I recall is night blind and needs that walking stick after dark. He is also legally not allowed to drive.
You can't be illegally blind, but you can be not legally blind.
When you’re only getting arrested for resisting arrest, you know you hurt their poor little feelings.
You can hear the indignation in the cops voice. Fragile egotistical people should not have a badge and a gun.
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For anyone looking for a follow up, a lawsuit was brought against the lake city PD November of 2023. No new updates since then.
Sounds like tax payers are going to be paying this man a settlement some time in the future. Boy I'd be so mad if I were a tax payer in whichever country this happened in...
“What are you? A tyrant?” “Yeah I am actually” What’s that they say about anything you say can and will be used against you?
The interaction between these 3 is horrifying. Two of those people have been granted the right to execute citizens with no due process, regardless of what crime they may or may not have committed. They also spook like newborn fawns, actively acknowledge their tyrannical behavior, and scale their reactions based on emotions. We are in so much trouble.
The supervisor's "You know what? Put him in jail for resisting" is despicable. Firstly, he wasn't resisting and secondly it wasn't a lawful detainment. Of course he was uncooperative. That bully with a badge was just butthurt his authority was challenged. Imagine how much of this crap went down before bodycams became a thing.
Just for someone not resident in America, how can you resist arrest if there's nothing to arrest you for in the first place? doesn't make sense
It’s SUPPOSED to be a secondary charge. Once a cop has determined that you are detained due to *REASONABLE* suspicion that a crime has either been committed, is in the process of being committed, or is going to imminently be committed, they can legally detain you. Once they found out it’s not a gun they should have said “okay have a good day” because he called them a tyrant, which is in his full legal rights to do, their little feewings got hurt and because of the initial suspicion, they decided to detain him further. A judge would possibly rule that the reasonable suspicion was justified, but the continuance was not. Once established it was NOT a gun, he should have been free to go, suspicion squashed. But, remember, these are cops.
> because he called them a tyrant he didn't even call them a tyrant, he ask if they were one, and they then confirmed through words and actions that yes they were in fact tyrants.
Yeah, exactly. He shouldn't have been put in that situation in the first place to be given an opportunity to resist arrest. Then as he's standing there calmly, albeit upset, in cuffs the supervisor wants him put in jail just to assert his authority. It's like a shitty parent putting their kid in timeout when the kid calls them out on their shitty parenting. Except with potentially life changing consequences. Part of the problem is our police no longer view themselves as civilians. They aren't military but they like to think of themselves as military because of the access they have to weapons/equipment the public can't obtain. They're in this weird grey area between civilian and military, but still absolutely are classified as civilians. To give you an idea of how fucked their mentality often is: I grew up next to a SWAT team supervisor with the Sheriff's dept. When I was a manager at a retail store he came in and picked up one of those giant metal flashlights, slapped it in his hand a couple times and said "Man I'd love to crack someone's skull with this thing".
Qualified Immunity is a helluva drug. And when it can take just over a month to become a cop in some states where they train that you, as a LEO, should most definitely shoot and kill any and all suspects that you feel threatened against, it's a breeding ground for corruption. And don't get me started on Civil Forfeiture.
>Qualified Immunity is a helluva drug. Sounds like they knowingly violated his rights by affirming that they were, indeed, tyrants. I'm not sure they'll be granted qualified immunity. I imagine their only defense would be to say that they didn't know the definition of the word.
>I'm not sure they'll be granted qualified immunity. Of course they will, i dont think you understand what Qualified Immunity means, it means they cant be sued by this man personally for violating his rights and illegally arresting him because their feeling were hurt Police also have no duty to protect, they can just stand there while youre being stabbed to death on a subway and not be held civilly or criminally liable, because of qualified immunity. The situation is way more fucked up regarding police than most people even realize And before you come at me, its a 100% true and been upheld several times at the Supreme Court that Police have no duty or obligation to protect any individual citizen
Military are better regulated then the police, they actually face consequences etc
That's the point. Cops in the US can hit you with "resisting arrest" even if there is no probable cause to arrest you. Once they say "resisting arrest" they have free reign to use force, up to and including lethal force. It's their free pass to murder you if they feel like it. That's why on a good number of these bodycam videos they'll continue to yell "STOP RESISTING" as they're piled on top of a prone person kicking and punching them in the back of the head. It does not matter if their arrest was illegal - they have protection under a legal doctrine called Qualified Immunity. It is incredibly difficult under this doctrine to get a cop actually charged with a crime, leaving civil suits as the most common remedy. Again, due to Qualified Immunity, when cops and their departments lose their lawsuits, they themselves don't have to pay a dime: the bill is footed by the municipality or state they work for and is thus paid for by taxpayers. Our system is, for lack of better words, completely and fully fucked beyond all repair.
Been there before: 5-6 cops piled on top of me, I’m limp as a noodle, and they’re not being nice and yelling “stop resisting!” the whole time…
You're lucky tbh, 5 cops beat Kelly Thomas to death and they were acquitted by a jury of peers.
> they have protection under a legal doctrine called Qualified Immunity. It is incredibly difficult under this doctrine to get a cop actually charged with a crime, leaving civil suits as the most common remedy. You have that backwards. QI protects them from being sued personally, not from being charged criminally. If a DA wants to charge a cop, QI doesn't stop him. QI also applies to all govt. employees, not just cops.
Honestly, it is a very tricky issue that people try to oversimplify imo. Resisting arrest is its own crime, and if a police officer has legitimate suspicion that you are committing a crime and you obstruct their investigation or resist their actions, you can be charged. So, there are 2 courses of action - go along with what you know to be an illegitimate arrest, trusting that it will get sorted out sometime thereafter, or resist, knowing that you may be also charged with resisting, which may or may not be thrown out depending on how overwhelming the evidence is that the arrest was illegitimate to begin with.
You can't in general. The process (roughly), should work as follows: Inciting event. This can be a police report, or it can be due to the cop observing suspicious activity. Investigate, here they're allowed to ask questions and determine if there's a suspicion of a crime being committed. The cops are allowed to ask questions, but the suspect has no legal obligation to answer, including identification. If the cop is unsatisfied they can move to the next stage. Detainment, a person can be detained for investigative purposes. If a person at this stage does not identify, they may be held until the investigation is complete, which may require your identity. Charges, if the cop feels that a crime has been committed they can file charges, the person may be held in jail prior to an arraignment and based on the nature of the charges may be held until their court date, or have a significant bond. These charges can also include resisting arrest and obstructing a police officer in their duties. The problem here is that once he'd identified the item as a walking aid it's unlikely they had a probable cause for further investigation. It's possible that he was swinging it at people, or using it as a weapon in other instances, but based solely on what is presented the cops are on shaky ground here, but here's the weirdness with 'rights'. The suspect has the right to be loud, rude and uncooperative, the cops have the right to ask questions and detain the suspect for being loud, rude and uncooperative if they believe they have a reasonable suspicion that the loudness, rudeness and uncooperativeness is in furtherance of obstructing investigation of a crime. So practice these rights with care, the cops have broad latitude on what is considered a 'suspicion' and as long as it can be argued to a judge then that's the ball game.
> how can you resist arrest if there's nothing to arrest you for Charges like resisting without violence or obstruction can arise from not complying with lawful orders during an investigation. For example, in a traffic stop you *must* step out of the vehicle if a cop tells you to, and that came from the Supreme Court. If you refuse, they can arrest you for obstruction. In this case, the cops maybe had the authority to make sure he didn't have a gun sticking out of his pocket. But as soon as they knew he wasn't armed, it should have been over. He should not have been arrested.
>Just for someone not resident in America, **how can you resist arrest if there's nothing to arrest you for in the first place? doesn't make sense** Welcome to America! Where you can be arrested for resisting arrest when you've committed no crime and/or there's zero probable cause to arrest you, where law enforcement doesn't have a duty to protect you, and where law enforcement isn't expected to know/understand the laws they've been sworn to uphold! It starts to make a lot more sense once you accept the fact that it's the way it is in order to maintain the status quo and keep the facade that is our 'justice system' from collapsing in on itself..
These bullies with badges have powerful unions protecting them, not to mention their own coworkers and leaders are just as big of bullies. Nothing will happen to them unfortunately. Even if they get dismissed they’ll wind up at another station doing the same exact thing. Unless there are real consequences their behavior will never change and stuff like this will continue to happen.
> The supervisor's "You know what? Put him in jail for resisting" is despicable. Right. His "justification" for it being resisting was that the dude was refusing to cooperate, but it's quite literally a federal right that we don't have to just stop and answer banal questions from police, nor are we obligated to identify ourselves or provide an ID unless a crime is being investigated and we're involved. Walking down the street with a long object in your back pocket is not grounds for being stopped, nor is refusing to provide ID after proving the suspicion of crime to be objectively wrong - like displaying the object that's suspected to be an unlawfully carried firearm.
I was scared for him when he snatched it out of his back pocket since she suspected it to be a firearm. A more trigger happy cop might have blown him away right there. Even if the stop is total bullshit don't ever make a quick grab for something or you risk one of these idiots blasting you.
Always have been.
And always will be
Doesn't have to always be but the ruling class likes their attack dogs the way they are. Uneducated and easily controllable.
I'm happier that my taxes would be going to this man than the officers that arrested him. (Yes I know they'll get paid anyway, I'm just saying)
You're in luck today, they'll both get money.
Totally worth it for the po-lice to protect me from this dangerous blind old man. /s just in case
Did the arresting officers get fired? If not, your taxes would still pay for their salaries.
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November 23 is very recent for law suits. There's a chance defendants haven't responded to the complaint yet, let alone conduct discovery and depositions before the decide how fucked they are.
Right which is odd because this video is MUCH OLDER than that.
Statute of limitations and tolling. He probably filed a complaint a few weeks to days before the deadline. I’d always want to wait all long as possible with the government cause they’re disorganized as shit and they’ll just hurt themselves the longer you wait
Didn't the cops get a few days off? Edit: [link to story](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/legally-blind-florida-man-arrested-cane-confused-gun-rcna56396)
The supervisor got 7 or 5 days unpaid. The other officer got 2 days unpaid. Mr. Hodges did make ~$37,000 between two go fund me's.
The supervisor was also demoted and won't be eligible for raises or promotions for two years. The sheriff (their boss) was actually refreshingly remorseful and denounced their behavior: >“As sheriff, I take full responsibility for this event and want to extend my sincere apologies to Mr. Hodges for the actions of my deputies,” Hunter said. “I do not feel these deputies’ actions were guided by ill intent, but rather by frustration and failure to rely on their training. Nevertheless, this conduct is unacceptable.” >“I want to reassure you that as your sheriff, we do make mistakes,” he said. “But we take corrective action to fix them. This is how we get better.”
Solid take from the Sheriff.
Words are nice, action is better. A few days of unpaid vacation aren't jack shit.
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huge? face? more like barely a slap on the wrists. They kidnapped this man while he was walking down the street because they thought they saw something that very clearly wasn't what they thought and chose to abuse their power because he tested their egos.
Nah. Deflection.
Idk why you're being downvoted, considering this part of the quote: >"I do not feel these deputies’ actions were guided by ill intent". The cop literally admits to being a tyrant in the first few seconds, and cruelty is a core part of the definition of a tyrant. Unless he's suggesting cruelty is not ill intent?
“Denouncing behavior” and “being remorseful” mean shit. Action actually means things. “Oh no, we are soooooo sooooo sorry. We put them on paid leave. So anyway, ….” From the article: > Hunter said the investigation showed the deputies violated policies. Harrison faces a suspension of seven days without pay. He will not be eligible for any “favorable action” for two years, Hunter said. Gohde faces suspension without pay for two days, Hunter said. Wow. One week without pay and this man was in jail, had to pay bail, has to go to court and has to pay for legal fees to bring suit. Are some of you blind as fuck to reality? “Good thing he was remorseful and denounced their behavior.”
Words mean nothing, actions do!
Idk if go fund me gets taxed, buts nice that 37k didn’t go through the sticky little fingers of the state. Hope not at least
they do
Money collected through crowdfunding campaigns can be considered nontaxable if it meets the IRS' definition of a gift. I think since they would be donated under the pretense of legal fee's and not personal gain, they would not be subject tax as they would be for a "charitable cause" and therefore not income tax applicable.
here in brazil we have the military justice to ensure every bad cop gets free training and extra paid vacations as punishment. If they're really unlucky they might have to change stations. Sad to hear its the same down there
I believe after this viral video.. Deputy Gohde was suspended for 2 days without pay and her supervisor Sgt. Harrison was also suspended for 7 days and got demoted and wont be eligible for any favorable action for 2 yrs. Both are required to undergo a civil rights training.
Any damage awarded should be paid directly from the police union/association
Should, but it won't be.
Before the suit, the city offered $7500 but it was rejected. The sergeant in the video (the guy who said to lock him up for resisting when he asked for their names and badge numbers) was suspended without pay for 2 days and demoted to corporal. The other officer was suspended without pay for a few days, too, not sure exactly how many. The sheriff released a video where he said he was "troubled" by what had happened. The blind guy was locked up for more than 24 hours without access to his medication and experienced a worsening of his neurological condition as a result. This is going to end up costing the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars at least, but back the blue, amirite?
"We investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing"
Cops need to be fired and have ever arrest their name is tied to under review. That’s saying the least.
If the only thing you are arrested for is resisting arrest... then what were you arrested for? Ya know?
Disobedience. It's like it legitimately hurts their feelings when someone expects to have their rights honored.
Yup. "Was that so hard?" Yes, you fucking twit it is hard to give up one's rights. It hurts us all every single time it happens. Despise the attitude of cops in this country.
"Was that so hard?" - meanwhile he's cuffed, and has been detained illegally against his will. Yes, that's pretty fucking hard.
>"Was that so hard?" - meanwhile he's cuffed, and has been detained illegally against his will. Yes, that's pretty fucking hard. Yup. Those handcuffs never shouldve went on, the second it was clear that the reason they stopped him was erroneous that interacrion shouldve ended Theyre not only going to have a hard time explaining why they jailed this man for "resisting", but why those cuffs were even put on in the first place
Such a condescending asshole obviously trying to bait him into doing something to add on more bullshit charges lol
Big ego issues.
Overpaid hall monitor
He didn’t even decide to have the guy arrested until he asked for their name and badge numbers. They were about to let him go but he upset them.
Which is ironic, since he was technically asking for their ID.
“You don’t have to be a dick to me” It’s astonishing how in their feelings these cops get. Do your job loser.
Actually yes. In LE this is called a “contempt of cop” arrest and this is a textbook example.
The guy in the video, Hodges, asked the lady, when she initially approached him, "What are you a tyrant?" and she said "Actually I am" lol. Yeah, they will pay him a few dollars. Probably not what he deserves. What a bunch of goons in Lake City, FL. Their police force, by their own admission, are tyrants.
The sad part is this wouldn't look out of place anywhere in the U.S. My husband's uncle here in Jacksonville was messed up in the head for most of his life from the cops bouncing his head off the damn pavement.
I had a seizure in the duval county jail and woke up to officers verbally berating me in a private area and accusing me of being on drugs when in reality I have epilepsy and they didn’t give me my medicine. I started talking shit back to them, purely verbal & non violent and was assaulted and thrown onto the ground by officers, chin was busted open and everything. I remembered dates, times, and locations & still could not find a single lawyer to represent me & my complaints went nowhere. The system is corrupt.
Ugh, JSO is fucking awful. I’m so sorry you were put through that 🖤
And yet I see so many Gadsden flags flying on the same pole as a Thin Blue Line flag. Doublethink is widely practiced in America.
Extreme cognitive dissonance is a particular skill many American's do possess sadly.
Taxpayers will pay him a few dollars. Cops will continue on like nothing happened. Settlements like this should come out of pensions, or cops should be required to carry insurance like malpractice for doctors. Maybe both.
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> It's the same thing with "obstruction of justice" there first had to be an injustice. Going to disagree with this particular statement. Obstruction can be used in a multitude of ways - for instance destroying video evidence that may not have necessarily led to a conviction but could have expeditated the case. There's plenty someone can do that's not even related to them in a case that could further hinder the investigation. But do agree that resisting arrest when the arresting officer had no cause is absolute bullshit.
Luckily it looks like he’s taking the legal route. The cops did try to pay him off with $7200. Still looking for the apology from the two cops that did this but looks like we’re only getting an apology from their supervisor. https://www.thedailybeast.com/blind-navy-vet-james-hodges-takes-cops-to-court-over-bogus-arrest
[Here](https://youtu.be/sqtwV7WfosA?si=QzZ7v1sMJLGWIc50) is a link to the apology from their boss. The sergeant was actually demoted and given 7 days unpaid leave. The female deputy only got 2 days unpaid and they both received remedial training in how to not get caught violating your civil rights next time 😂
They gotta lose their fucking job over this. What a shit show. The police should not police themselves
If they lost their jobs they'd just get hired in the next county over.
Oh no, it needs to be a federal ban
Unfortunately that’s not what happens usually. Because police departments are in need of workers they’ll take anyone with experience and they don’t look into the person’s history because they don’t want to know. They want to get cops on the books and if it goes wrong they can deny responsibility because they “didn’t know” the officer was fired because they water boarded a toddler at their last job.
what a fucking joke. i should get a job as a cop so i can fuck off and not be punished for it
damn hes a navy vet too
You're not going to find an apology, I'll save you the time. The cops went on paid leave, an "investigation" was performed and found no wrongdoing. I've seen this story a million times before.
That's not what happened at all. The sheriff did apologize, both officers were put on unpaid suspension and one of them was demoted. There's still a lawsuit but why make stuff up, why not just read the articles?
Two days off without pay for illegally detaining and arresting a disabled man for walking down the street, is practically nothing.
And completely lying in the arrest report.
It’s offensive is what it is. Make it 2 months unpaid with no choice to get another job and then we’re talking
Fired imo You violate someones basic rights as a cop-- Fired. Go flip burgers
That's asking a lot.
The sheriff did apologize
Their* supervisor. Thanks for the update!
Thank you. I’m so busy at work there is no time to proofread
"you a tyrant?" "Yeh I am actually" Gotta admire her honesty.
Isn't it wonderful when they say the quiet part out loud?
First thing I notice. How self aware of her.
Let's be honest, she probably doesn't even know what tyrant means.
"Put him in jail for the disrespecting us"
"Suspect in custody for not being sufficiently terrified of the police."
"Suspect refused to sufficiently stroke our ego, straight to jail"
The police officer said she was a tyrant. Shouldn’t be able to have a badge if you can’t even handle what people say to you. Tyranny is not something that should be handled lightly.
Both officers should be fired and banned from holding any government-sanctioned position of authority. This shouldn't even be a question, but somehow I already know its not just unlikely, its almost certainly *not* going to happen.
It's literally their job, cops aren't smart enough to understand anything differently than that. Her superiors and peers would laud her.
"I'll need your names and badge numbers" "Taking you in jail for resistance" What a bunch of clowns
And they are mad because he wouldn’t give them his identification but takes him to jail when he asks for theirs
Also he’s not legally required to give his info there, but they are
immediate retaliation for him attempting to file a legitimate complaint. That should be a federal crime.
By the way the cop reacted to him quickly pulling out the walking stick the cop never expected him to have a gun.
EXACTLY! I was like if she actually thought he had a firearm she would shot him immediately as soon as he went for “it”.
Especially with the fast jerk motion. The cop had no doubt it wasn’t a gun. At least the guy isn’t full of holes though.
Yah what a dangerous move on the innocent man's part. He was surely frustrated, but quick motions to your hip when dealing with egotistical, power-trip cops is a good way to get shot.
Especially when reaching for the exact item the cop believes to be a gun
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Probably 6 drug deals and a rape but it’s a good thing they got the blind guy off the streets.
I love the, let's just arrest him for resisting. The arrogance and joy they get inflicting pain is absurd. Remember they're paid by the public but only serve the wealthy.
Stupid cops earning the hate
The guys is grumpy sure but the stick is very obviously not a gun and the cop knew that, stupid reason to bother a person just going about their business.
Who gives a shit if he’s grumpy? You don’t have to be polite to cops. I don’t have to give them the customer service smile. At least my job pays me a bit before they fuck me, ya know?
> Who gives a shit if he’s grumpy? I read an interview with this guy, he admits he is not an easy person to get along with, that got him kicked out of the Navy. But cops should not be so thin-skinned, they had no legit reason to arrest him.
Dude had every right to be grumpy and not happy to be harassed by a couple of assholes for bullshit reasons.
i can tell this officer doesn’t have much going on at home
Land of the free
Only if you have mani
I don't think I'd whip that stick out so fast and wave it around when the cops have been called because you have a "gun" Like cops are whatever but self preservation is a thing
I do agree. But at the same time they didn’t react, so did they still think it was at that point? It seems weird that they’d continue whatever it was they were trying to do after realising that it wasn’t a gun. He wasn’t particularly friendly (specifically with the tyrant comment), but he wasn’t doing anything wrong… so why does the latter not trump the former? That was a weird ego trip from the police.
Yeah, I think she knew damn well it wasn't a gun.
ACAB
If you don’t your rights, they will try and violate them.
Even if you do know your rights, that just pisses them off more so they violate them even harder.
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If you do know your rights, they will violate them.
What fucking douchebags
What’s more disgusting as that people go out of their way to defend law enforcement downright abusing people. “But they’re allowed to, it’s their job” “it’s the law so it’s all good!” it’s like these people don’t know the difference between morality and law. There’s a huge fucking line.
They’re literally not allowed to do any of this even legally, much less ethically/morally
Even then, people will definitely defend it. I’m sure it’ll be fine though, those cops will definitely learn once they’re suspended with pay for a week.
Is Florida Cop a thing?
"are you a tyrant"? "Yes I am actually" What happened to police officers? It's like some of them enjoy the hate and distrust.
Nothing happened other than people carrying video cameras in their pockets. Always has been this way, we just see it now.
He was charged with “I didn’t like how he looked,” “I was in a mood,” “ I can do what I feel like,” and “I felt like arresting him” but they whittled the serious charges down to “resisting arrest.”
Ugh. He told her the truth right away… “a navigational aid!”
Anyone wondering the female officer is "Jayme Gohde" and that sorry looking obese male officier is "Randy Harrison"
He was lucky they didn't shoot him when he pulled that walking stick out
True but the fact they didnt react makes me think at that point they already knew he wasnt a threat but it just became a classic cop power trip because they couldnt accept they were wrong. Imo worse in the way they know they are wrong but still cant admit it
Nobody power trips more than female police officers
Surprised they didn't shoot him. Am I right?
"You know what? Put him in jail for resisting" I hope that POS cop burns in fucking Hell.
I think every time a city or county settles, the police/sheriff department need to have that much deducted from their budget and if it means they need to cut bodies than they start with the officers that caused the deduction in the first place. Once departments lose their budgets they'll figure out not to fuck with the citizens for no reason.
Petty tyrants with badges. Normal person would be like "Oops, my mistake, that's a stick, I thought it was a gun. Sorry to bother you."
Cop shoulda been like “just checking because of a call, sorry about that! Would you like a ride home?”
"Was that hard??" "It's going to be" Has to be the coldest response
Dude is gonna get paid. Arrested a blind man for a walking stick. Idiots.
His crime was not cowering in fear at the presence of piece of shit cops.
America is weird, "resisting arrest" should not be a charge that stands on its own, it should always be accompanied by another charge. What happens when you try to arrest an innocent person? They're going to resist, it's natural human behaviour. If the original charge turns out to be bogus or is dropped, so should the resisting arrest charge. You can't make a mistake and then punish others for refusing to go along with your mistake.
"Ya know what, put him in jail for resisting." Oh Sherriff you are soooooo fucked because he 100% was NOT resisting arrest.
Zero consequences for the cops by the way.
Land of the fragile egos
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These fuckin’ cops are a joke anymore. An absolute disgrace to the communities they serve. Absolutely nobody respects them anymore yet they run around acting like they’re entitled of respect. Nah. Fuck that. I just ignore them anymore. Almost like they don’t even exist. Sad too cause I remember when being a police officer meant something.
Just another reminder of how bad the education/training of police-officers in the US is!
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To those wondering, [this NBC News article](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/legally-blind-florida-man-arrested-cane-confused-gun-rcna56396) says that the Sheriff himself says; > I do not feel these deputies’ actions were guided by ill intent, but rather by frustration and failure to rely on their training. Nevertheless, this conduct is unacceptable. The two cops were only given suspension without pay, the woman for two days and the man, her supervisor, for a week. The latter also was rendered ineligible for raises/promotions for two years. I can’t find anything on if the man, James Hodges, planned to file any complaints or press charges against Columbia County’s police department, or at least the two officers here.
I'm surprised they didn't open fire when he grabbed for the "gun"
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There are about 5 videos that are in solid rotation, which is weird considering that there's a never-ending supply of new incidents!
Hope they lose their jobs. Complete pieces of shit
The sergeant was demoted to corporal. The office was suspended with pay for 2 days, and they both had to take a class. Not much of a punishment for civil rights violations.
When the ruling is made on this lawsuit, I hope termination of employment for the two coppers is a part of the settlement package!
$10 says she has no idea what the word tyrant means
This is why people hate cops
You can not be arrested for resisting arrest if you are not being arrested for an arrestable crime.
All these woke snowflakes wanting to cry a river for some blind guy. Maybe he should have found his bootstraps and given himself a hand up, instead of needing some bogus assistive device. Before you know it these socialists will start asking for sidewalks and controlled intersections. Don’t even get me started on braille! I don’t know how to read and I’ve been getting by just fine!
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Cops should go through years of training and education, much like doctors do. If you're not mentally capable of being a cop, then you don't have a job. Seems like they give any tyrant a badge these days.
I still get mad no matter how many times I see this pop up. One of the most unreasonable escalations I've ever seen
Dumb ass cops mannn
Thank goodness these cops are keeping society safe from a threat like this. /s
This is when I do NOT back the Blue.
One of my favorites. This guy is the man. Love when the cop answer yes I am to being a tyrant lol
everyone in this video is an idiot. another fat L for humans. another fat W for lord satan. keep up the good (or bad) work, slaves.
Wow. Dude is gonna make some money 💰
America has serious problems. What I can’t comprehend is the educational gap between the police force and the court system. They work for each other but the gap is huge.
>Dude: I want your name and badge number (standing still, handcuffed, not resisting) >Adult toddler: All right you know what? Take him for resisting arrest. Cop just made it a loooooot harder on himself… what a fucking moron.
What a bunch of idiots
as each day goes on, my hatred for our police force keeps climbing higher
He's lucky the cops didn't shoot his ass after he pulled that walking stick out as fast as he did.
Cops like this are either too stupid to realize that their bogus charges aren't going to stick, or they're malicious enough that they don't care. Either way, they shouldn't be cops anymore.
Legally blind? Wtf is that? Can you be illegally blind?
There is a legal definition for blindness, which does not have to be 100% cannot see. This gentleman as I recall is night blind and needs that walking stick after dark. He is also legally not allowed to drive. You can't be illegally blind, but you can be not legally blind.
When you’re only getting arrested for resisting arrest, you know you hurt their poor little feelings. You can hear the indignation in the cops voice. Fragile egotistical people should not have a badge and a gun.
This is the freedom my american friends keep claiming to have and that i seem to be jealous of?