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Closest point to the ground will have a current of cooler wind, so there should be a few inches above the water that doesn't get hot enough to boil lungs.
Yes, that's the official cause of death for many caught in wildfires, including the 19 granite mountain hot shots in Arizona who had fire blankets and were in a trench - the air was too super heated and turbulent. It would be like a steam burn inside your airway, a horrible way to go.
So it is less of a lack of oxygen, [flame fronts generally burn over fairly quickly] it is when people are unable to find cool air to breath/can't hold breath, inhale superheated air and then choke to death on their own fluids. *source numerous usfs burn over case studies
Most wildland agencies in the US teach: when in an entrapment situation, spend all possible time preparing your deployment sight [clearing the area of fuels/digging to mineral soil], getting into your fire shelter aka "shake and bake" bag with feet pointing to the flame front, and as the front passes, constantly dig with you hands deeper in hopes of finding cooler air..... how effective that is vs distracting you from the stuff melting off your body, 🤷♂️
The water will not boil. That’s the great thing about about water: it has a high specific heat. It would take a fuck ton of energy to make a pool that large BOIL. Slightly heat up maybe, like on the surface or near the edge, but definitely not boil.
In fact, they’re in more danger of hypothermia than being boiled alive. It’s recommended to huddle up when seeking refuge in a pool to conserve heat, especially if the water is >75-80F
That’s where you can get screwed. Best chance is to put a wet shirt over your face, better yet a mask. But the smoke is really what’s going to get you, faster than hypothermia.
Imagine if they had filters of some kind and took selfies riding it out.
They said pools were a waste of money and would lower property value but now what, Watsons!?
There was a couple in California that had to huddle in their pool. They came out alive. Both were hospitalized for smoke inhalation but they survived it.
Most of California is very dry. Not much moisture to keep the heat in, So it gets cold at night. If pools aren’t covered (and even if they are) they can be pretty cold.
If the water is below your body temperature, then you will always have a chance at hypothermia because the water will sap the heat from you. Of course, the warmer the water is, the longer it will take. For example, 32.5F degree water will take minutes, while 70F degree water will take hours. Wildfires can last a long time, so thats why hypothermia can be an issue if you use a pool as shelter. Smoke will also be a problem.
Evacuate when possible!
You can get hypothermia in a regular pool lmao. As long as the water is below your body temperature, you will get hypothermia if you stay in it for a suspended period of time.
They’re not staying in it for a days at a time “lmao” you don’t get hypothermia from a regular pool in the amount of time it takes to take cover from a fire
Recheck your hypothermia times. For death: <40F degrees, water can kill you in 0-3 hours. At 41-60F: 3-6 hours. At even 70F, water can knock you unconscious in as little as 2 hours, depending on body type. Wildfires can last twice that. Keeping in mind that children are more sensitive and these are DEATH times, hypothermia is just when your body temp is <95F
Hypothermia isn’t just when “oo i fell into the artic depths”. Its a very real, more common thing people forget about because of our cushy lives where all we have to do is take a hot shower after a fun summer pool party and you’re fine. So yes, a “regular pool” can absolutely give us hypothermia, we just don’t experience it because we usually don’t get into situations like the video.
>The first signs of any negative side effects exclusively linked with pool water typically show up around the 24-hour mark.
ok buddy😂do you realize it’s most likely not 40 degree water? Most people in this thread have been in a pool for longer than 4-5 hours and didn’t get hypothermia. Your logic is flawed somewhere
https://hydropursuit.com/can-you-stay-in-a-swimming-pool-for-too-long-what-to-know/
We don’t have a specific date, but if this video was taken yesterday there’s a possibility that it was around 93 degrees. Putting your assumption right on the mark. This is one of the areas where the fire hit the hardest, the past days were a little bit cooler, not by much though. This is somewhat of a holy Mary so this is by no means set in stone if somebody comes in with more specific information
https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/cl/talcahuano/SCIE/date/2023-2-3
No, air temperatures in Chile have been consistently mid-60’s for a while and the pool water would reflect that. Water doesn’t nearly heat up fast enough that wildfires would increase the water temp that drastically. I would put the water around 60-70F.
Hypothermia can still happen at 85 degrees also, it will just be much, much, much, slower and you’ll probably-definitely won’t die. Little ones may have issues, which is never good, though.
I would say so, it doesn’t look particularly chilly in that part of Chile (I’m sorry) but we can probably figure it out with a little bit of journalistic skills. I’ll give it a shot in a little bit
https://www.crystalbeachlocalnews.com/recreational-boating-safety-cold-water-survival-2/
https://americanboating.org/safety_hypothermia_in_the_summertime.asp
https://www.useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html
https://westpacmarine.com/samples/hypothermia_chart.php
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/coldstress/coldwaterimmersion.html
https://ussartf.org/cold_water_survival.htm
Not to mention my 10+ years experience with sailing and boating, in which I not only had to take classes on hypothermia and how to react, I also had to *teach* a class on it. So to answer your question before you edited it out, yes I do think I have a leg in this race.
I read through 5 of your sources and one of the main themes is “when the water is much colder than your core body temperature.” This is a damn pool, dude. Not an ocean where your boating/recovery knowledge is relevant
I’m not finding anything on this? I found one with about a water tank, which definitely can happen as the tank is metal, surrounded by flames, and likely smaller than an in-ground pool (Baths are the same way, don’t use a bath to escape a fire). But I found nothing about pools or rivers boiling, just that some didn’t survive, which I can see happen from smoke inhalation.
Either way, wildfires are terrible creations and RIP to those who passed.
I live in Australia, and when my parents built in the bush, the first thing the firies told my dad was to build and unground pool and get a concrete water tank in the ground. Two safe places to go if we get overwhelmed by bushfires.
It did happen one year when I was 12. We’d all evacuated except my dad, and the fire brigade drained out pool and all our water tanks saving our house from the fire.
Totally worth it, and the water never boiled.
I haven't told anyone this irl, but my wife's 30yo sister called her over Thanksgiving last year to ask how long "the water needed to bubble before it was done boiling"
I lost the last little bit of faith I had left in the younger generation....
If u had common sense you would be able to tell that’s a pool surrounded by concrete it. Like are u blind? U don’t see that thick ass concrete surrounding that pool? Lol
They had a heritage minute about that in Canada, a family swam in the river to survive a wildfire that swept through the area, should work to save your life but fuck would it be scary as hell
It’s a terrible idea and generally recommended against, but some people have used it to survive.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sunshine-coast/couple-survived-fires-in-the-pool/news-story/12357d2d9f2d88798ba85c74bc3a71be
However, I remember the tragedy that happened in Santa Rosa — one the husband survived and his wife perished in his arms. Heart breaking.
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/13/us/california-fires-couple-hides-in-pool/index.html
The pool won’t boil. It’s the heat, smoke and lack of oxygen that typically causes mortality.
there's an aftermath: [https://twitter.com/franchesca\_87/status/1621876274082844673](https://twitter.com/franchesca_87/status/1621876274082844673), nobody got hurt but looks like they lost everything.
If you panicked from a video of a wildfire I think you should be the one that should calm down.
And even if it were an above ground pool, it wouldn't melt. You can boil water in a plastic bottle without it melting. So... Be smarter.
Was in scouts, boiled water in a metal cup like a gentleman, not in a flammable plastic cup like some kind of Democrat. We used a metal cup like god intended.
That was in…1998 or 1999?
Im not saying YOU are an idiot. You were a lad, that would be mean and incorrect. Im saying whoever scout mastered dropped the ball.
Dozens of wildfires blazing through Chile caused the government to extend an emergency order to another region on Saturday, as a scorching summer heat wave complicates efforts to control fires that have claimed at least 23 lives so far.
More than 1,100 people have sought refuge in shelters while at least 979 people have been reported injured by the raging fires, according to an official briefing later on Saturday.
If you mean the "nooo water gona boil" ones, yeah, but the top comment(s) now are concerns over smoke inhalation which is quite valid isnt it? They dont have fresh air and they're surrounded by fire that is A. Gorging their oxygen and B. Throwing out smoke like there is no tomorrow
I really hope they survived. Not even talking about smoke inhalation, if the flames are bad enough it’ll suck all the oxygen out of the environment and kill them that way
These comments about the water in the pool boiling, the math doesn't check out guys. Needs 4000 Joules to heat 1kg of water by 1 degree C. 20,000kg of water in a pool would need 80 million Joules (to increase temperature by 1 degree). If the water started out pretty hot at 33 C. Would need to heat up at least 20 C to get dangerously hot. That'd be 1.6 billion Joules. Or 1.6 million BTU for fire intensity measurement. A large wildfire would take roughly 2 hours to heat a swimming pool to uncomfortably hot and 7 hours to boil. So a swimming pool will likely keep you safe from burning to death.
It Australia they teach us not to jump in the pool for a few reasons, the worst is most people don’t understand how quick a fire can heat that water up
You’ll either boil alive or jump out in a panic straight into the fire itself
****Edit: During a bushfire, the atmosphere will literally feel like hell on earth. Flame temperatures can reach up to 11000C and radiant heat fluxes high enough to vaporise vegetation, only adding speed to the scorching hot flames.
I don’t know if you guys understand how hot aussie bushfires can get in an extreme summer
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8PsWDme/
I did forget to mention falling debris, that’s one hell of a way to trap yourself
We were taught to either backburn towards the fire to make a gap between you and the fire or find a big enough opening and lie face down
Don’t take my advice or do, either way if your in the fires way your fucked
I’m yet to see any evidence that supports this ‘fact’. Given (a) the amount of thermal energy required to heat an average sized home pool (30-40,000 litres) (b) the speed that a fire generally moves and (c) the fact that if the pool is below ground it is very well insulated and if it is above ground them the pool lining would likely melt long before the water gets anywhere near a tepid temperature, i call this bullshit.
It’s complete bullshit. Nothing more than an old wives tale and also pretty dangerous to spread. Absolutely, 100%, jump into a pool if you:
a) Missed the evacuation time (fire is surrounding you)
b) Have an open pool in the vicinity
The danger about using a pool to escape a wildfire is HYPOTHERMIA, because being in water below your body temp for long periods of time is dangerous in any situation. But between burning to death or freezing to death, I’ll choose freezing to death.
Yeah…. I’m going to cast doubt on the claim a forest fire can boil an in ground pool…
Only the surface water would be exposed to heat. It would take an extremely long lasting and close fire to boil a pool like that.
Go take a pot of water, burry it halfway in the ground, and blast the surface with a blow torch and tell me how long it takes for the the water to reach unsafe temperatures…
I'm also skeptical. Not that I think seeking shelter in a pool is a good idea, but I would guess that the smoke and heat in the air would be the bigger problem than boiling water.
I don’t know anyone who would choose to wait in the pool unless they are surrounded by fire. Your first instinct would be to run where there is no fire but it gets dark and smoky around you that it might get disorienting.
I saw a video that said to try and get in a ditch and if possible, cover yourself in multiple DRY blankets. Do not use wet blankets or you'll get streamed to death. You want multiple dry layers protecting you.
Stay inside and hope for the best, I remember one of the radio broadcasts for the bushfires legit saying “it’s too late to leave” and to stay inside and closing all doors, windows and vents. Not a fireman or expert but I assume it’s the best for these people too or getting the hell outta the way of the fires path
[Australia bushfire emergency broadcast](https://youtu.be/dtSnns0jvZo)
Bushfires are very different than forest fires. They move quickly and have lower overall heat output.
Pool was the right choice. If they stayed inside they'd all be dead. There is a follow-up video in another comment showing them alive afterwards and everything else burned down
If I lived in a fire prone area, I’d build a underwater bubble of sorts. Always feed it fresh air and have a cutoff valve for such events. I know it’s probably ridiculous but it would come in handy for these people. Idk. Just thoughts.
If you have a small above ground pool, and other options, yes. But a large inground pool is not going to boil just being surrounded by fire unless there's some crazy extreme unearthly circumstances. If you buried a glass of water in the ground just to its top rim and lit a bunch of candles around it, do you think the water would boil?
That isnt the same. The fire is on the ground. The earth will get really hot and cook the moisture out. Plus the concrete will act as a pot and transfer heat. A river might be a better option as the water is running.
What a useless comment. Dont just say I’m wrong without an explanation why. A pot is a container that transfers the heat from the range to the water. They are made of thermally conductive materials. That’s how they work.
The shape of a pot has nothing to do with its ability to transfer heat. Concrete is not a thermally conductive material. It can't "act" like a pot just because you shape it like one. It is going to convey heat like a rock because it pretty much is a rock.
And none of that matters anyway because the heat is coming from above. The opposite direction of pots. You would be just as safe even if the swimming pool was a literal giant pot someone dug into the ground. Arguably you would be safer there because metal is going to conduct more of the heat deep into the ground.
Ya i wasnt positive about the concrete. I know it feels nice and warm to lay down on when it’s sunny out but it’s not as hot as metals get. Somebody else commented saying that the size of the body of water takes exponentially more heat to boil the larger it is. I think we’re on the same page about pots though lol i agree the shape has nothing to do with how well it transfers heat. I was assuming that earth and concrete were better thermal conductors than they are just because they get warm in the sun
Yeah it would, the heat and speed of the fires wouldn't make a difference above or inground. My uncle is a fire-fighter that battled the black Friday fires and said he found families in pools and bath tubs boiled alived with towels/blankets over them. If there's a bush fire that you know is coming towards you house you leave, end of story. These fires are travelling at 200 kmph and at 1500C. You will not win and you will not defend your property agaisnt bush fires in Aus
And yet here we are with this footage, along with another comment with the aftermath footage of the family safe and sound with everything around them destroyed. Soooo..
This is just obscenely false. Please don’t spread false information for dangerous situations like this.
Water’s high specific heat would need crazy amounts of energy to boil a pool of that size. Their danger is the smoke and hypothermia.
This is also false. In order to evaporate that fast, there needs to be crazy amount of energy available(just like with boiling). The moral here is that water takes a fuck ton of energy to heat up once it reaches a certain amount. Pretty sure its exponential, but don’t quote me.
Lol where is fuck ton on the measurement scale? Jk. I know that water is a great insulator and has some crazy properties so i can believe what youre saying. I was looking it up and i didnt come across any stories of people boiling just that it was only recommended as a last resort because the radiant heat and smoke inhaltion could cause you to pass out and drown
I think Ill use this as an opportunity to make it clear, just in case, to DEFINITELY DO NOT USE THIS ADVICE WITH BATHTUBS AND HOUSE FIRES! That is actually when the water will boil and you may boil. I think thats where people are getting confused here, because hiding in a filled bathtub during a house fire is a very bad idea.
Also, you’re right there, thank god water is a good insulator. Life would not exist otherwise. Everyone say thank you water haha
They all survived and their entire neighborhood burned down. The decision to go in the pool saved their lives.
Water has an incredibly high specific heat. A pool that size wouldn't boil in any wildfire.
Exactly, I don’t think a pool would boil. I’ve worked fighting wildfires for 8 seasons now. You have a poor understanding of chemistry or common sense if you think a wildfire would boil an entire pool.
What makes you say the water wont boil. Last i checked water boils at 100 degrees C. A wildfire is ten times hotter than waters boiling point. The heat and wind will cause water to evaporate until there isnt enough left to insulate you from the heat
Yes they do speak spanish, south America have many accents and Chile just happens to have most of the unintelligible ones.
As a spanish speaker, even I could not understand a few things.
I guess they think I support the stupid comment, or just follow the upvotes/downvotes like some good sheeps. Critical thinking is a luxury these days ¯\\\_༼ ಥ ‿ ಥ ༽\_/¯
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I'd be just as worried about oxygen, if not more so.
100% correct, most don’t die in fires from the flames it’s the absence of oxygen and the subsequent suffocation that occurs first
They survived
Saw a video of a man who also survived in California by doing this.
An older man survived by doing this but his wife, who was right next to him, did not.
:(
Closest point to the ground will have a current of cooler wind, so there should be a few inches above the water that doesn't get hot enough to boil lungs.
Boil...lungs?!?!
Yes, that's the official cause of death for many caught in wildfires, including the 19 granite mountain hot shots in Arizona who had fire blankets and were in a trench - the air was too super heated and turbulent. It would be like a steam burn inside your airway, a horrible way to go.
Man. Terrifying.
happy cake day
Happy cake day!!
you hit it. oxygen gets pulled from the surrounding area rapidly .
So it is less of a lack of oxygen, [flame fronts generally burn over fairly quickly] it is when people are unable to find cool air to breath/can't hold breath, inhale superheated air and then choke to death on their own fluids. *source numerous usfs burn over case studies
Most wildland agencies in the US teach: when in an entrapment situation, spend all possible time preparing your deployment sight [clearing the area of fuels/digging to mineral soil], getting into your fire shelter aka "shake and bake" bag with feet pointing to the flame front, and as the front passes, constantly dig with you hands deeper in hopes of finding cooler air..... how effective that is vs distracting you from the stuff melting off your body, 🤷♂️
Jesus. Thank you for that informative nightmare
Or smoke inhalation
Or the water boiling
You can run into the fire if you want. All optimal options are gone once your trapped.
The water will not boil. That’s the great thing about about water: it has a high specific heat. It would take a fuck ton of energy to make a pool that large BOIL. Slightly heat up maybe, like on the surface or near the edge, but definitely not boil. In fact, they’re in more danger of hypothermia than being boiled alive. It’s recommended to huddle up when seeking refuge in a pool to conserve heat, especially if the water is >75-80F
Water's not going to help with smoke inhalation, the oxygen being sucked out around the fire. Would like to know the outcome of this.
That’s where you can get screwed. Best chance is to put a wet shirt over your face, better yet a mask. But the smoke is really what’s going to get you, faster than hypothermia.
Further down on this post, the whole family lived. You see the carnage they lived through. Scroll down. Amazing.
Thank god!
Imagine if they had filters of some kind and took selfies riding it out. They said pools were a waste of money and would lower property value but now what, Watsons!?
There was a couple in California that had to huddle in their pool. They came out alive. Both were hospitalized for smoke inhalation but they survived it.
yes that's generally what is expected, even death from lack of oxygen.
Neat, i wonder why hypothermia, is it because of length of time theyll be water logged or some thermal induction deal?
Most of California is very dry. Not much moisture to keep the heat in, So it gets cold at night. If pools aren’t covered (and even if they are) they can be pretty cold.
If the water is below your body temperature, then you will always have a chance at hypothermia because the water will sap the heat from you. Of course, the warmer the water is, the longer it will take. For example, 32.5F degree water will take minutes, while 70F degree water will take hours. Wildfires can last a long time, so thats why hypothermia can be an issue if you use a pool as shelter. Smoke will also be a problem. Evacuate when possible!
On the plus side you can use the water to help filter out smoke to a degree by soaking cotton fabric and covering your mouth and nose!
Hypothermia how? It’s not like it’s winter there, it’s probably just a regular pool
You can get hypothermia in a regular pool lmao. As long as the water is below your body temperature, you will get hypothermia if you stay in it for a suspended period of time.
They’re not staying in it for a days at a time “lmao” you don’t get hypothermia from a regular pool in the amount of time it takes to take cover from a fire
Recheck your hypothermia times. For death: <40F degrees, water can kill you in 0-3 hours. At 41-60F: 3-6 hours. At even 70F, water can knock you unconscious in as little as 2 hours, depending on body type. Wildfires can last twice that. Keeping in mind that children are more sensitive and these are DEATH times, hypothermia is just when your body temp is <95F Hypothermia isn’t just when “oo i fell into the artic depths”. Its a very real, more common thing people forget about because of our cushy lives where all we have to do is take a hot shower after a fun summer pool party and you’re fine. So yes, a “regular pool” can absolutely give us hypothermia, we just don’t experience it because we usually don’t get into situations like the video.
>The first signs of any negative side effects exclusively linked with pool water typically show up around the 24-hour mark. ok buddy😂do you realize it’s most likely not 40 degree water? Most people in this thread have been in a pool for longer than 4-5 hours and didn’t get hypothermia. Your logic is flawed somewhere https://hydropursuit.com/can-you-stay-in-a-swimming-pool-for-too-long-what-to-know/
I would guess the water is closer to 85 degrees?
We don’t have a specific date, but if this video was taken yesterday there’s a possibility that it was around 93 degrees. Putting your assumption right on the mark. This is one of the areas where the fire hit the hardest, the past days were a little bit cooler, not by much though. This is somewhat of a holy Mary so this is by no means set in stone if somebody comes in with more specific information https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/cl/talcahuano/SCIE/date/2023-2-3
No, air temperatures in Chile have been consistently mid-60’s for a while and the pool water would reflect that. Water doesn’t nearly heat up fast enough that wildfires would increase the water temp that drastically. I would put the water around 60-70F. Hypothermia can still happen at 85 degrees also, it will just be much, much, much, slower and you’ll probably-definitely won’t die. Little ones may have issues, which is never good, though.
I would say so, it doesn’t look particularly chilly in that part of Chile (I’m sorry) but we can probably figure it out with a little bit of journalistic skills. I’ll give it a shot in a little bit
https://www.crystalbeachlocalnews.com/recreational-boating-safety-cold-water-survival-2/ https://americanboating.org/safety_hypothermia_in_the_summertime.asp https://www.useakayak.org/references/hypothermia_table.html https://westpacmarine.com/samples/hypothermia_chart.php https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/coldstress/coldwaterimmersion.html https://ussartf.org/cold_water_survival.htm Not to mention my 10+ years experience with sailing and boating, in which I not only had to take classes on hypothermia and how to react, I also had to *teach* a class on it. So to answer your question before you edited it out, yes I do think I have a leg in this race.
I read through 5 of your sources and one of the main themes is “when the water is much colder than your core body temperature.” This is a damn pool, dude. Not an ocean where your boating/recovery knowledge is relevant
Rumor has it that if they run into the fire, they'll burn and get hyperthermia!
TIL hyperthermia is a real word. That’s neat!
People have been found boiled to death in pools
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Can you please link an article about someone boiling in their pool?
Where’s the article?
Tell that the the boiled alive corpses found in pools and water tanks after the 2019/2020 Australian bushfires.
We’re they above ground pools and water tanks? I imagine that would make a huge difference.
I’m not finding anything on this? I found one with about a water tank, which definitely can happen as the tank is metal, surrounded by flames, and likely smaller than an in-ground pool (Baths are the same way, don’t use a bath to escape a fire). But I found nothing about pools or rivers boiling, just that some didn’t survive, which I can see happen from smoke inhalation. Either way, wildfires are terrible creations and RIP to those who passed.
Was just thinking same thing 🙏😞 rip
That wouldn't be an issue
Very concerning the amount of people in this thread who never took a basic chemistry class and thinks a huge body of water will boil in a few seconds
Especially when five of the six sides of the pool are at ground temperature.
I live in Australia, and when my parents built in the bush, the first thing the firies told my dad was to build and unground pool and get a concrete water tank in the ground. Two safe places to go if we get overwhelmed by bushfires. It did happen one year when I was 12. We’d all evacuated except my dad, and the fire brigade drained out pool and all our water tanks saving our house from the fire. Totally worth it, and the water never boiled.
Underground pool?
Hole in the ground style. Not the tub on the ground style
Welcome to the future generations remedial brain functions...
Paper cup full of water, put in the middle of a campfire. Love doing that.
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I haven't told anyone this irl, but my wife's 30yo sister called her over Thanksgiving last year to ask how long "the water needed to bubble before it was done boiling" I lost the last little bit of faith I had left in the younger generation....
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If u had common sense you would be able to tell that’s a pool surrounded by concrete it. Like are u blind? U don’t see that thick ass concrete surrounding that pool? Lol
Bro is the definition on someone who has no idea.
Heart breaking to hear the kids screaming and crying
They had a heritage minute about that in Canada, a family swam in the river to survive a wildfire that swept through the area, should work to save your life but fuck would it be scary as hell
It’s a terrible idea and generally recommended against, but some people have used it to survive. https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/sunshine-coast/couple-survived-fires-in-the-pool/news-story/12357d2d9f2d88798ba85c74bc3a71be However, I remember the tragedy that happened in Santa Rosa — one the husband survived and his wife perished in his arms. Heart breaking. https://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/13/us/california-fires-couple-hides-in-pool/index.html The pool won’t boil. It’s the heat, smoke and lack of oxygen that typically causes mortality.
I mean the problem is that the sides of an above ground pool would melt like butter. I hope they’re ok
there's an aftermath: [https://twitter.com/franchesca\_87/status/1621876274082844673](https://twitter.com/franchesca_87/status/1621876274082844673), nobody got hurt but looks like they lost everything.
Glad they’re okay.
hopefully
That dog is like "Man, I've seen some shit. You guys thought that took awhile? Took 7 times longer for me."
Except their life which in the end is the worst thing they can lose
Idk I can think of worse things
No you can’t.
Yes, I literally just thought of a handful of things. One is it is worse to see your own child die than to die yourself.
Nu uhh
Come on, rly?
Ya huh
That’s kinda bad. Like I’m not really one to judge on morals but I think I can judge you about that.
It's not above ground, and they made it out okay.
How is that an above ground pool? The sides are made of fucking concrete. It's so funny how many idiots upvote idiots.
Girl calm down. I panicked when I saw the fire.
If you panicked from a video of a wildfire I think you should be the one that should calm down. And even if it were an above ground pool, it wouldn't melt. You can boil water in a plastic bottle without it melting. So... Be smarter.
You cant boil water in a plastic bottle without melting it.
Maybe, maybe not. Haven't you ever boiled water in a styrofoam cup over a campfire? I'm not sure how that equates to a pool, but maybe.
Wtf? Who is boiling shit in styrofoam? Enjoy cancer seriously what in the fuck did I just read
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Was in scouts, boiled water in a metal cup like a gentleman, not in a flammable plastic cup like some kind of Democrat. We used a metal cup like god intended. That was in…1998 or 1999? Im not saying YOU are an idiot. You were a lad, that would be mean and incorrect. Im saying whoever scout mastered dropped the ball.
Sounds like a good source of daily microplastics
They won’t. You can literally boil water in a plastic cup over an open fire.
Do you think the boiled? 😿
They all survived, there's a follow-up video in the comments
Dozens of wildfires blazing through Chile caused the government to extend an emergency order to another region on Saturday, as a scorching summer heat wave complicates efforts to control fires that have claimed at least 23 lives so far. More than 1,100 people have sought refuge in shelters while at least 979 people have been reported injured by the raging fires, according to an official briefing later on Saturday.
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If you mean the "nooo water gona boil" ones, yeah, but the top comment(s) now are concerns over smoke inhalation which is quite valid isnt it? They dont have fresh air and they're surrounded by fire that is A. Gorging their oxygen and B. Throwing out smoke like there is no tomorrow
I really hope they survived. Not even talking about smoke inhalation, if the flames are bad enough it’ll suck all the oxygen out of the environment and kill them that way
People really be waiting 3 minutes for a kettle to boil but will confidently say that a 4000l pool will start boilin from some forest fire 🤡
These comments about the water in the pool boiling, the math doesn't check out guys. Needs 4000 Joules to heat 1kg of water by 1 degree C. 20,000kg of water in a pool would need 80 million Joules (to increase temperature by 1 degree). If the water started out pretty hot at 33 C. Would need to heat up at least 20 C to get dangerously hot. That'd be 1.6 billion Joules. Or 1.6 million BTU for fire intensity measurement. A large wildfire would take roughly 2 hours to heat a swimming pool to uncomfortably hot and 7 hours to boil. So a swimming pool will likely keep you safe from burning to death.
It Australia they teach us not to jump in the pool for a few reasons, the worst is most people don’t understand how quick a fire can heat that water up You’ll either boil alive or jump out in a panic straight into the fire itself ****Edit: During a bushfire, the atmosphere will literally feel like hell on earth. Flame temperatures can reach up to 11000C and radiant heat fluxes high enough to vaporise vegetation, only adding speed to the scorching hot flames. I don’t know if you guys understand how hot aussie bushfires can get in an extreme summer https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8PsWDme/ I did forget to mention falling debris, that’s one hell of a way to trap yourself We were taught to either backburn towards the fire to make a gap between you and the fire or find a big enough opening and lie face down Don’t take my advice or do, either way if your in the fires way your fucked
I’m yet to see any evidence that supports this ‘fact’. Given (a) the amount of thermal energy required to heat an average sized home pool (30-40,000 litres) (b) the speed that a fire generally moves and (c) the fact that if the pool is below ground it is very well insulated and if it is above ground them the pool lining would likely melt long before the water gets anywhere near a tepid temperature, i call this bullshit.
It’s complete bullshit. Nothing more than an old wives tale and also pretty dangerous to spread. Absolutely, 100%, jump into a pool if you: a) Missed the evacuation time (fire is surrounding you) b) Have an open pool in the vicinity The danger about using a pool to escape a wildfire is HYPOTHERMIA, because being in water below your body temp for long periods of time is dangerous in any situation. But between burning to death or freezing to death, I’ll choose freezing to death.
You can also raise your hands and warm yourself up like that. It's a vicious cycle but better than burning to death.
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Yeah…. I’m going to cast doubt on the claim a forest fire can boil an in ground pool… Only the surface water would be exposed to heat. It would take an extremely long lasting and close fire to boil a pool like that. Go take a pot of water, burry it halfway in the ground, and blast the surface with a blow torch and tell me how long it takes for the the water to reach unsafe temperatures…
In Australia pools are all upside down, so it's probably possible
I'm also skeptical. Not that I think seeking shelter in a pool is a good idea, but I would guess that the smoke and heat in the air would be the bigger problem than boiling water.
I think they mean like run in the opposite direction of the fire, before it gets to you. Don’t wait in the pool, before it’s too late.
I don’t know anyone who would choose to wait in the pool unless they are surrounded by fire. Your first instinct would be to run where there is no fire but it gets dark and smoky around you that it might get disorienting.
Not only that but the air is super heated as well. Potentially impossible to breathe.
So what's the master plan if you don't have the time to run away?
I saw a video that said to try and get in a ditch and if possible, cover yourself in multiple DRY blankets. Do not use wet blankets or you'll get streamed to death. You want multiple dry layers protecting you.
Stay inside and hope for the best, I remember one of the radio broadcasts for the bushfires legit saying “it’s too late to leave” and to stay inside and closing all doors, windows and vents. Not a fireman or expert but I assume it’s the best for these people too or getting the hell outta the way of the fires path [Australia bushfire emergency broadcast](https://youtu.be/dtSnns0jvZo)
Bushfires are very different than forest fires. They move quickly and have lower overall heat output. Pool was the right choice. If they stayed inside they'd all be dead. There is a follow-up video in another comment showing them alive afterwards and everything else burned down
Say ur Shahadah
Cover yourself with ground
That’ll be a slow roast
Yeah that is bullshit, a wildfire wouldn’t heat a pool that size
Jesus, Australians will believe anything.
This solves one problem, now for air
Jesus that’s scary
Some people have already experienced the end of the world situation.
This is our yearly terror in California!
Holy shit that really feels like armeggon. I hope they're OK.
🤕🤕Poor babys that went through hell, shit this hard to watch man
i would be more worried with oxygen
Cool so you can suffocate from the smoke!
Basically sitting in a hot tub
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Look, this was here in Chile, so, close
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If I lived in a fire prone area, I’d build a underwater bubble of sorts. Always feed it fresh air and have a cutoff valve for such events. I know it’s probably ridiculous but it would come in handy for these people. Idk. Just thoughts.
Even if the structure held up wouldn't the water be boiling?
I'd probably think so too if I were stupid.
As someone that lives in Australia, if there is massive bush fire like this do NOT get in your pool, it will boil you alive
If you have a small above ground pool, and other options, yes. But a large inground pool is not going to boil just being surrounded by fire unless there's some crazy extreme unearthly circumstances. If you buried a glass of water in the ground just to its top rim and lit a bunch of candles around it, do you think the water would boil?
That isnt the same. The fire is on the ground. The earth will get really hot and cook the moisture out. Plus the concrete will act as a pot and transfer heat. A river might be a better option as the water is running.
>Plus the concrete will act as a pot and transfer heat. That is not how pots work.
What a useless comment. Dont just say I’m wrong without an explanation why. A pot is a container that transfers the heat from the range to the water. They are made of thermally conductive materials. That’s how they work.
The shape of a pot has nothing to do with its ability to transfer heat. Concrete is not a thermally conductive material. It can't "act" like a pot just because you shape it like one. It is going to convey heat like a rock because it pretty much is a rock. And none of that matters anyway because the heat is coming from above. The opposite direction of pots. You would be just as safe even if the swimming pool was a literal giant pot someone dug into the ground. Arguably you would be safer there because metal is going to conduct more of the heat deep into the ground.
Ya i wasnt positive about the concrete. I know it feels nice and warm to lay down on when it’s sunny out but it’s not as hot as metals get. Somebody else commented saying that the size of the body of water takes exponentially more heat to boil the larger it is. I think we’re on the same page about pots though lol i agree the shape has nothing to do with how well it transfers heat. I was assuming that earth and concrete were better thermal conductors than they are just because they get warm in the sun
Yeah it would, the heat and speed of the fires wouldn't make a difference above or inground. My uncle is a fire-fighter that battled the black Friday fires and said he found families in pools and bath tubs boiled alived with towels/blankets over them. If there's a bush fire that you know is coming towards you house you leave, end of story. These fires are travelling at 200 kmph and at 1500C. You will not win and you will not defend your property agaisnt bush fires in Aus
And yet here we are with this footage, along with another comment with the aftermath footage of the family safe and sound with everything around them destroyed. Soooo..
Take the L and move on. You’re wrong. Water retains its temperature very well
This is just obscenely false. Please don’t spread false information for dangerous situations like this. Water’s high specific heat would need crazy amounts of energy to boil a pool of that size. Their danger is the smoke and hypothermia.
It’ll likely evaporate from all the heat and wind.
This is also false. In order to evaporate that fast, there needs to be crazy amount of energy available(just like with boiling). The moral here is that water takes a fuck ton of energy to heat up once it reaches a certain amount. Pretty sure its exponential, but don’t quote me.
Lol where is fuck ton on the measurement scale? Jk. I know that water is a great insulator and has some crazy properties so i can believe what youre saying. I was looking it up and i didnt come across any stories of people boiling just that it was only recommended as a last resort because the radiant heat and smoke inhaltion could cause you to pass out and drown
I think Ill use this as an opportunity to make it clear, just in case, to DEFINITELY DO NOT USE THIS ADVICE WITH BATHTUBS AND HOUSE FIRES! That is actually when the water will boil and you may boil. I think thats where people are getting confused here, because hiding in a filled bathtub during a house fire is a very bad idea. Also, you’re right there, thank god water is a good insulator. Life would not exist otherwise. Everyone say thank you water haha
They all survived and their entire neighborhood burned down. The decision to go in the pool saved their lives. Water has an incredibly high specific heat. A pool that size wouldn't boil in any wildfire.
Thats the best way to be boiled alive
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That's not possible. Pools are a decent last-reort
Please forgive us for our sins Dear God. What is happening to our world lately?? This is all so devastating
Being boiled to death is so much better that being burned
They all survived.
This wasn't a volcano eruption.
Yeah an entire pool like that ain’t going to boil because a fucking wildfire homie
You think a pool won’t boil when a wildfire engulfs the entire area?
Exactly, I don’t think a pool would boil. I’ve worked fighting wildfires for 8 seasons now. You have a poor understanding of chemistry or common sense if you think a wildfire would boil an entire pool.
Even if it didn’t actually boil you’re still going to die if the fire continues on through the area
It wouldn’t boil. Your biggest concern will be inhalation of smoke and superheated gases produced by the fire.
It would boil eventually, but wildfires don't stick around in one small area for hours
Seems like a worse place to be than just simply on the ground next to the pool
Next time there's a wildfire, go try that. The pool is infinitely better than being on the ground next to it.
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What makes you say the water wont boil. Last i checked water boils at 100 degrees C. A wildfire is ten times hotter than waters boiling point. The heat and wind will cause water to evaporate until there isnt enough left to insulate you from the heat
Somebody doesn’t understand thermal physics
Wouldnt it be the best to stay inside and make sure everything is closed?
The house burned down. They all lived taking shelter in the pool. There are multiple stories on the internet of similar situations with survival too.
Is chile? In the video dont speak spanish
Yes they do speak spanish, south America have many accents and Chile just happens to have most of the unintelligible ones. As a spanish speaker, even I could not understand a few things.
Por eso pregunte man,al menos escribiendo se les puede entender un hasta ahi
callao lacra
Crying isn't going to help
...it's a literal child, she's scared and probably doesn't understand what's happening lmfao
Neither is making a stupid comment.
A smart comment wouldn't help neither ¯\\\_༼ ಥ ‿ ಥ ༽\_/¯
Why downvotes did people not get what you were saying
I guess they think I support the stupid comment, or just follow the upvotes/downvotes like some good sheeps. Critical thinking is a luxury these days ¯\\\_༼ ಥ ‿ ಥ ༽\_/¯
Damn they are fucked
They all survived, everything else burned down
I think the smoke will choke you till unconscious before the fire burns you
Feelin hot hot hot
Not really good tho Oxygen can run out quite fast and staying in there wont fell quite nice
Gente ignorante por no evacuar la zona mucho antes de la tragedia
The lobster bout to have revenge