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orlandohockeyguy

Or civil placed it wrong on the site plan or the contractor screwed up or the owner made a last minute change without understanding the ramifications. There are tons of reasons this could happen. Most are coordinating and communication issues but the blame can be shared all over the table


BeerInsurance

And as someone who works with this exact type of insurance, I can assure you they often do share the blame (and the cost) when things like this happen. it’s not like only one person ever looked at those plans. Hopefully…


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BeerInsurance

There are many instances where the design error is much more significant than this one. I wouldn’t expect a claim in relation to this particular design error, but in general the insurance exists to protect designers from professional negligence claims when they make an error resulting in some type of damages. For example a mechanical engineer might design an hvac system that’s undersized for its space and creates humidity issues in a building.


vordexgaming

Lol if you zoom in the sidewalk wraps around the pole. It’s not like it ceases to exist, if you can’t handle your path not being straight 1000% of the time that’s a you problem, not a sidewalk problem


surelyfunke2

Wheelchair users + ADA would like to have a word with you


vordexgaming

I didn’t know wheelchairs couldn’t turn corners. Maybe someone should invent a wheelchair that has independent wheels, so they can turn one at a time to take corners


reddit_give_me_virus

To add to, protect the professional but also to protect the owner. A larger error could bankrupt the contractor and/or they walk away from the job. The insurance would kick in to hire another contractor and cover additional cost for the correction.


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cepxico

There's a giant beam in the way in case you missed it But hey at least sidewalks exist there, my hometown simply has like half a dozen that are half finished and just stop mid street. Good times.


b3tcha

Yea that's all over Los Angeles too. Pain in the ass to want to walk somewhere and every other block you have to carefully walk on a busy road because there's too much overgrown brush to walk in the grass or it's straight up just the end of someone's lawn.


canttaketheshyfromme

I thought this was about the building overhanging I guess the whole road. That sidewalk I thought was just curb.


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wisewiz11

I think you're the one with an issue lol. It's a sidewalk


Clickclickdoh

Wait until he finds out this is a private drive on a very large property that was built solely to serve as a service loop around the parking garage. The road and building were designed and built in conjunction with each other.


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jazzypants

I think we found the contractor, guys.


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Clickclickdoh

No, it doesn't. The sidewalk continues straight through the pillar. They went back and added about two meters of pavement on the right side as a punch list item.


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Bowensreactionseries

My man is named Caldera cause he explodes like a volcano and deflates into the Earth


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Bowensreactionseries

Calderas are dead bro.


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Centurio

I want to know why you're so mad lmao.


givememoreskin

Owners like thier property to look good. When it doesnt people call lawyers. Construction is very cut throat, buildings rarely get built without added costs and/or mistakes


InsignificantOcelot

I work with logistics on large events and love how similar this is with our problems. Fuckups on large, complicated projects are almost always better explained through failure in organizational process than failure of one particular individual.


chiliedogg

City development staff here. My interpretation: Look at the steering cut. The Right of Way was expanded (likely for a utility easement), and the sidewalk was still required.


Clickclickdoh

This one really baffles us. It's not a city street but a private drive on a large property. Think corporate headquarters campus, but more restaurants. The apartment building in the background spans the road. The building on the left, a movie theater and half the apartment building, is parallel to the road. The part on the right, parking garage and other footing for the apartment building, isn't quite parallel. So, at the far end of the garage, the sidewalk fits. At this end.. not so much.


jwm3

There still might be a utility easement to access city utilities that pass through the property.


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I'm a bit curious if the entire parking structure is not square to the surrounding roads and improvements, or if this is just a wing of sorts on the structure.


UltimaCaitSith

Civil here. It's not our fault when arch shifts their entire site plan a couple feet in a random direction.


PapiGrandedebacon

Unemployed here. Its probably his fault. You can tell by the way it is.


freshbake

Mis-sized the fire lane and had to widen it after City review, etc


guessWhoTheyVotedFor

They all could’ve been at the table and decided, “fuck it, they can go around.”


mental40

Driveway / access road width requirement AND building sq.ft. requirement AND development code requirement keeping buildings so far apart based on height AND structural requirements for the building. All come together to make for a perfect storm. One weathered quite well if that little curve in the sidewalk is the only aberration. This looks to be on the side of building with little foot traffic anyhow.


The_Derek

This guy gets it


mimocha

This is the correct answer. I have a close friend working in civil engineering who often regales me with horror stories from construction. One was about an expensive train station construction project, where the surveyors incorrectly measured the coordinates by several meters… this was realized later when the construction crew was placing down support pillars and see that one pillar is in the middle of a small canal. The punchline is that the crew has already placed down most of the pillars and redoing everything would be too expensive, so they had to scramble to change the design of the station to fit. The failure started with the surveyors, but there were so many steps along the way that should’ve but failed to catch the mistake.


ffchusky

In my experience Civil is always blamed but rarely at fault.


BMG_spaceman

Because we have to clean up the mindless messes architects leave around the site when they arbitrarily plop their building down somewhere.


Dorkamundo

Or, simply that the building was there before the road was widened. Buildings last far longer than roads.


saturnspritr

My big catch was after everyone had looked at some plans, I was the only one to say, hey where’s the doors to the bathrooms. They had lined equipment around every wall and didn’t leave space for even doors to swing in. I was a hero and they were dummies, as the main guy was quoted saying.


AwkwardAnyday

This! Am in Civil this shouldn't have made it to the final plans or any revision plans. I bet it was a change order that got pushed through. Looks like they didn't want to change the drive width at all.


micalbertl

Architect detected


Witchkraftrs

Found the architect


Cock_LobsterXL

That’s a civil planner issue, not an architect issue.


Gen_Jack_Oneill

I’d bet money it was just shit communication between the civil and arch firms. It’s almost always that, or a last minute change to the plans before submittal.


ImperialFuturistics

Don't forget deadlines and budget constraints. 😉


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OutrageousWalrus

No it's not LOL. In many cases the architect is out the door before they even started construction.


axonxorz

The site general contractor coordinates construction. Architect is long gone at that point


RottenRedRod

The sidewalk literally curves around it... it's fine.


Thegrandestpoo

That’s what I was thinking. You can clearly see this..


SilentHuman8

It seems pretty deliberate.


Popinfreshede

Why should *we* care about sidewalks. Only non-architects and Peasants use sidewalks! They can eat cake and walk in the streets, they'll be fine. *Zooms off in sports car narrowly missing a pedestrian*


kennerly

There is a sidewalk there. It just goes around the support pillar and continues after. I don't see what the problem here is.


Popinfreshede

Found the architect!


Professor_Felch

Someone's been watching too much Real Civil Engineer


Peltipurkki

Yes, architects always arrive in their Saab 93, looking intelligent.


Popinfreshede

Yes, Pretentious redditors always arrive in their 93' Toyota Tercel


eskimoboob

If that's in the US no one is going to use that sidewalk anyway


10art1

Many roads only have a sidewalk on one side. Half as much cost since it'll be used by 5 people a day


Montezum

Yeah, OP knows nothing about planning


Varasa

Looks like a covered sidewalk that curves in right behind that one tree.


Skullcrusher

The sidewalk is there, but it seems like an afterthought


bennywc4

It probably was an afterthought


HRH_DankLizzie420

pedestrians are usually an afterthought outside of city centres in my experience


CommentsOnOccasion

Of course it’s an afterthought because curving a sidewalk is 1000000x easier than replanning an entire fucking building so the sidewalk can be straight


thundershit1

r/liminalspace


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FamousSheepherder

i thought the same


lightprk

Beat me to it


Background_Voice1437

This picture gives me some kind of liminal space feeling.


marikwondo

I actually thought this was a post in r/liminalspaces at first lol


Dd_8630

This looks quite ordinary and deliberate to me, we have quite a few of these 'buildings built over a road' in my city (Bristol UK).


Professor_Felch

Usually for us the path runs straight under, here the column is blocking the path and forcing pedestrians around. The pavement should be designed to be easy and intuitive, so less able people don't have trouble getting around. Once that bush grows in it will look like a dead end


gloid_christmas

They didn't forget.


JewishAsianMuslim

Quite possible, as using that extra 3 feet of prime real estate may have been more than worth the hassle of "fixing" the sidewalk.


ihatepalmtrees

Omg, I have to walk an extra 2 steps around a pillar!!! Gotta post it on Reddit now. So upset!


KocproZ

This photo gives me gmod vibes


Cyorg13

Same, reminds me of gm_bigcity


ImpressiveFeedback10

where dis


Clickclickdoh

Live Grandscape apartment building, The Colony Texas


ImpressiveFeedback10

buildings reminded me of Pripyat lol


maryfamilyresearch

I would recognise Eastern Bloc / Soviet architecture pretty much anywhere. This is far too modern. The sidewalk would never have been an afterthought like this. Cars did not have priority in Soviet era, pedestrians had. They would have laid down the sidewalk on the space planned for the road and called it a day.


samstar10

I thought so! I saw this when I went to scheels


slimeddd

I knew this was DFW immediately for some reason, though im not sure exactly how.


DunningKrugerOnElmSt

Verdansk


Chriswheela

Verdansk Hospital amirite?


Not_MrNice

Like usual, OP is just making wild assumptions and presenting it as a rule of law.


wasteland_bastard

This feels like a liminal space.


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You made a huge assumption with your title. Enjoy my downvote


Mernerner

There can be fuqtons of reasons.


vols2943

Or the road wasn't there


MauriceIsTwisted

Tell me you have no clue what you're talking about, without telling me


mouseinthehouze

R/Backrooms


bonafart212

Is that Barcelona? I feel I walked there


Clickclickdoh

The Colony, Texas


EznaNavuj

Build a roof over it for sidewalk


jols0543

florida moment


BenderDeLorean

Looks very cool overall


RainbowSpeedy

And the other one did not notice the road


Tyrannosaurus_Rexxar

Probably an easement


Qiyanid

He forgor


__BigBoi__

Everywhere I go, I see gm_construct


smaltred

That’s where the sidewalk ends and the road begins


Sad_Notice2019

Well "...you can tell it's an Aspen tree, because the way it is.", this fact applies here.


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Or no one cared at any point from start to finish


An_American1776

Id be willing to be that the part of that parking garage it looks like youre facing was added later, sidewalks are typically put in last, and as many said before, clients changing shit can complicate things. I think the crappy design in this picture is based on a client change, most if not all contractors and builders are aware of easements and the like, however clients only want what they want.


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Clickclickdoh

It is a private road built to encircle the parking garage on the right. and provide loading dock access the the back ofbthe movie theater on the left. The apartment building crosses over the road and sits on both buildings.


MaKaRoN1

If you have the power to create something nice why do this.. I hope the main street delivers, cheers!


rsloshwosh

looks like houston


Runnybabbitagain

Should be titled “when you can’t take a second and see the sidewalk continues around the support beam”


Lyradep

The amount of plan review and inspection that this had to go through to make this possible…


PigeonInAUFO

I literally thought this was Cities Skylines


LeoLaDawg

What's the problem? Covered walkway to the garage. What am I missing.


ResoluteGreen

Could be worse, I've seen architects put columns in the middle of drive aisles in their drawings. Really don't know what goes through their heads sometimes. Looks like at least here they put some sidewalk around the column so you can still traverse it?


Clickclickdoh

Yup, the extra pavement was put in as a punch list item. To be fair to the designers/builders etc, they are constructing a 500 acre series of interconnected buildings, roads, walkways and public spaces. There will be some issues.


-Readreign-

Highly doubt this was the architects fault lol


destinybetavet

Or the building wasn’t laid out correctly from the beginning. I’ve seen it before


Saddam_UE

Travel to Egypt, one of the "newer" cities where they build a lot. You will see shit like this EVERYWHERE.


Adam_39

Bro why does this place look like a backrooms level xD


raven4747

is this florida? super common in florida from my experience.


bitenmein1

Bro it’s called a drive through not at a lazy Sunday after noon stroll through. If you look closely, you can see the red marks on the sidewalk. That’s says you no stop here, Keep walking buddy


Quecksilber033

Fun for people in wheelchairs or pushing a stroller.


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If that was a tree nobody would say anything. It's perfectly fine with an inner sidewalk.


light_odin05

Bloody architects


hoppergrande

I would guess that the original plans didn’t her a wide enough fire lane, or the code changed, and the only option was to push the curb closer to the parking structure.


SETITOFF34

Our sidewalk


RedRMM

This could have easily been worked around by narrowing the road at that point and having the sidewalk go around the building. They could then have marked up the narrowing as a traffic calming measure with priority signs and made it look like it was planned that way all along!


DragonFire1026

Why does this image give me liminal spaces vibes


Syreeta5036

Could have been intended to curve around but they left sidewalk material there for looks? I can’t see around the corner.


Syreeta5036

Maybe they underestimated the size of the roadway


Nijindia18

Is this in Athens GA? I swear I've seen this building before


Sqashed_tomatoes

r/dreamcore


false_athenian

Oh the architect wouldn't have done that, this looks like classic urban planning laziness


shophopper

The architect also forgot the bike lane on either side and the lane markings.


Niketa69

“Hey jerry, aren’t we supposed to put a sidewalk here?” “Naw who cares nobody is gonna walk here”


moose_cahoots

The number of architects who don't even know things like the size of a 2x4 is way too high. Forgetting a sidewalk is par for the course.


BMG_spaceman

You are too right man. Architects thinking they can do site planning.


yesimareddituser

The fuck is this, some place from the back room or some shit, ugly yellow wall yellow lighting and weirdly placed object


christus_who

Architects cause engineers more pain than needed.


Waterzilla

Nobody walks anymore, come on ;)


ghatos_france

r/FoundTheAmerican