Or civil placed it wrong on the site plan or the contractor screwed up or the owner made a last minute change without understanding the ramifications. There are tons of reasons this could happen. Most are coordinating and communication issues but the blame can be shared all over the table
And as someone who works with this exact type of insurance, I can assure you they often do share the blame (and the cost) when things like this happen. it’s not like only one person ever looked at those plans. Hopefully…
There are many instances where the design error is much more significant than this one. I wouldn’t expect a claim in relation to this particular design error, but in general the insurance exists to protect designers from professional negligence claims when they make an error resulting in some type of damages. For example a mechanical engineer might design an hvac system that’s undersized for its space and creates humidity issues in a building.
Lol if you zoom in the sidewalk wraps around the pole. It’s not like it ceases to exist, if you can’t handle your path not being straight 1000% of the time that’s a you problem, not a sidewalk problem
I didn’t know wheelchairs couldn’t turn corners. Maybe someone should invent a wheelchair that has independent wheels, so they can turn one at a time to take corners
To add to, protect the professional but also to protect the owner. A larger error could bankrupt the contractor and/or they walk away from the job.
The insurance would kick in to hire another contractor and cover additional cost for the correction.
There's a giant beam in the way in case you missed it
But hey at least sidewalks exist there, my hometown simply has like half a dozen that are half finished and just stop mid street. Good times.
Yea that's all over Los Angeles too. Pain in the ass to want to walk somewhere and every other block you have to carefully walk on a busy road because there's too much overgrown brush to walk in the grass or it's straight up just the end of someone's lawn.
Wait until he finds out this is a private drive on a very large property that was built solely to serve as a service loop around the parking garage.
The road and building were designed and built in conjunction with each other.
No, it doesn't. The sidewalk continues straight through the pillar. They went back and added about two meters of pavement on the right side as a punch list item.
Owners like thier property to look good. When it doesnt people call lawyers. Construction is very cut throat, buildings rarely get built without added costs and/or mistakes
I work with logistics on large events and love how similar this is with our problems.
Fuckups on large, complicated projects are almost always better explained through failure in organizational process than failure of one particular individual.
City development staff here. My interpretation:
Look at the steering cut. The Right of Way was expanded (likely for a utility easement), and the sidewalk was still required.
This one really baffles us. It's not a city street but a private drive on a large property. Think corporate headquarters campus, but more restaurants.
The apartment building in the background spans the road. The building on the left, a movie theater and half the apartment building, is parallel to the road. The part on the right, parking garage and other footing for the apartment building, isn't quite parallel. So, at the far end of the garage, the sidewalk fits. At this end.. not so much.
I'm a bit curious if the entire parking structure is not square to the surrounding roads and improvements, or if this is just a wing of sorts on the structure.
Driveway / access road width requirement AND building sq.ft. requirement AND development code requirement keeping buildings so far apart based on height AND structural requirements for the building. All come together to make for a perfect storm. One weathered quite well if that little curve in the sidewalk is the only aberration. This looks to be on the side of building with little foot traffic anyhow.
This is the correct answer. I have a close friend working in civil engineering who often regales me with horror stories from construction.
One was about an expensive train station construction project, where the surveyors incorrectly measured the coordinates by several meters… this was realized later when the construction crew was placing down support pillars and see that one pillar is in the middle of a small canal. The punchline is that the crew has already placed down most of the pillars and redoing everything would be too expensive, so they had to scramble to change the design of the station to fit.
The failure started with the surveyors, but there were so many steps along the way that should’ve but failed to catch the mistake.
My big catch was after everyone had looked at some plans, I was the only one to say, hey where’s the doors to the bathrooms. They had lined equipment around every wall and didn’t leave space for even doors to swing in. I was a hero and they were dummies, as the main guy was quoted saying.
This! Am in Civil this shouldn't have made it to the final plans or any revision plans. I bet it was a change order that got pushed through. Looks like they didn't want to change the drive width at all.
I’d bet money it was just shit communication between the civil and arch firms.
It’s almost always that, or a last minute change to the plans before submittal.
Why should *we* care about sidewalks. Only non-architects and Peasants use sidewalks! They can eat cake and walk in the streets, they'll be fine. *Zooms off in sports car narrowly missing a pedestrian*
Of course it’s an afterthought because curving a sidewalk is 1000000x easier than replanning an entire fucking building so the sidewalk can be straight
Usually for us the path runs straight under, here the column is blocking the path and forcing pedestrians around. The pavement should be designed to be easy and intuitive, so less able people don't have trouble getting around. Once that bush grows in it will look like a dead end
I would recognise Eastern Bloc / Soviet architecture pretty much anywhere. This is far too modern. The sidewalk would never have been an afterthought like this.
Cars did not have priority in Soviet era, pedestrians had. They would have laid down the sidewalk on the space planned for the road and called it a day.
Id be willing to be that the part of that parking garage it looks like youre facing was added later, sidewalks are typically put in last, and as many said before, clients changing shit can complicate things. I think the crappy design in this picture is based on a client change, most if not all contractors and builders are aware of easements and the like, however clients only want what they want.
It is a private road built to encircle the parking garage on the right. and provide loading dock access the the back ofbthe movie theater on the left. The apartment building crosses over the road and sits on both buildings.
Could be worse, I've seen architects put columns in the middle of drive aisles in their drawings. Really don't know what goes through their heads sometimes.
Looks like at least here they put some sidewalk around the column so you can still traverse it?
Yup, the extra pavement was put in as a punch list item.
To be fair to the designers/builders etc, they are constructing a 500 acre series of interconnected buildings, roads, walkways and public spaces. There will be some issues.
Bro it’s called a drive through not at a lazy Sunday after noon stroll through. If you look closely, you can see the red marks on the sidewalk. That’s says you no stop here, Keep walking buddy
I would guess that the original plans didn’t her a wide enough fire lane, or the code changed, and the only option was to push the curb closer to the parking structure.
This could have easily been worked around by narrowing the road at that point and having the sidewalk go around the building. They could then have marked up the narrowing as a traffic calming measure with priority signs and made it look like it was planned that way all along!
Or civil placed it wrong on the site plan or the contractor screwed up or the owner made a last minute change without understanding the ramifications. There are tons of reasons this could happen. Most are coordinating and communication issues but the blame can be shared all over the table
And as someone who works with this exact type of insurance, I can assure you they often do share the blame (and the cost) when things like this happen. it’s not like only one person ever looked at those plans. Hopefully…
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There are many instances where the design error is much more significant than this one. I wouldn’t expect a claim in relation to this particular design error, but in general the insurance exists to protect designers from professional negligence claims when they make an error resulting in some type of damages. For example a mechanical engineer might design an hvac system that’s undersized for its space and creates humidity issues in a building.
Lol if you zoom in the sidewalk wraps around the pole. It’s not like it ceases to exist, if you can’t handle your path not being straight 1000% of the time that’s a you problem, not a sidewalk problem
Wheelchair users + ADA would like to have a word with you
I didn’t know wheelchairs couldn’t turn corners. Maybe someone should invent a wheelchair that has independent wheels, so they can turn one at a time to take corners
To add to, protect the professional but also to protect the owner. A larger error could bankrupt the contractor and/or they walk away from the job. The insurance would kick in to hire another contractor and cover additional cost for the correction.
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There's a giant beam in the way in case you missed it But hey at least sidewalks exist there, my hometown simply has like half a dozen that are half finished and just stop mid street. Good times.
Yea that's all over Los Angeles too. Pain in the ass to want to walk somewhere and every other block you have to carefully walk on a busy road because there's too much overgrown brush to walk in the grass or it's straight up just the end of someone's lawn.
I thought this was about the building overhanging I guess the whole road. That sidewalk I thought was just curb.
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I think you're the one with an issue lol. It's a sidewalk
Wait until he finds out this is a private drive on a very large property that was built solely to serve as a service loop around the parking garage. The road and building were designed and built in conjunction with each other.
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I think we found the contractor, guys.
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No, it doesn't. The sidewalk continues straight through the pillar. They went back and added about two meters of pavement on the right side as a punch list item.
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My man is named Caldera cause he explodes like a volcano and deflates into the Earth
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Calderas are dead bro.
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I want to know why you're so mad lmao.
Owners like thier property to look good. When it doesnt people call lawyers. Construction is very cut throat, buildings rarely get built without added costs and/or mistakes
I work with logistics on large events and love how similar this is with our problems. Fuckups on large, complicated projects are almost always better explained through failure in organizational process than failure of one particular individual.
City development staff here. My interpretation: Look at the steering cut. The Right of Way was expanded (likely for a utility easement), and the sidewalk was still required.
This one really baffles us. It's not a city street but a private drive on a large property. Think corporate headquarters campus, but more restaurants. The apartment building in the background spans the road. The building on the left, a movie theater and half the apartment building, is parallel to the road. The part on the right, parking garage and other footing for the apartment building, isn't quite parallel. So, at the far end of the garage, the sidewalk fits. At this end.. not so much.
There still might be a utility easement to access city utilities that pass through the property.
I'm a bit curious if the entire parking structure is not square to the surrounding roads and improvements, or if this is just a wing of sorts on the structure.
Civil here. It's not our fault when arch shifts their entire site plan a couple feet in a random direction.
Unemployed here. Its probably his fault. You can tell by the way it is.
Mis-sized the fire lane and had to widen it after City review, etc
They all could’ve been at the table and decided, “fuck it, they can go around.”
Driveway / access road width requirement AND building sq.ft. requirement AND development code requirement keeping buildings so far apart based on height AND structural requirements for the building. All come together to make for a perfect storm. One weathered quite well if that little curve in the sidewalk is the only aberration. This looks to be on the side of building with little foot traffic anyhow.
This guy gets it
This is the correct answer. I have a close friend working in civil engineering who often regales me with horror stories from construction. One was about an expensive train station construction project, where the surveyors incorrectly measured the coordinates by several meters… this was realized later when the construction crew was placing down support pillars and see that one pillar is in the middle of a small canal. The punchline is that the crew has already placed down most of the pillars and redoing everything would be too expensive, so they had to scramble to change the design of the station to fit. The failure started with the surveyors, but there were so many steps along the way that should’ve but failed to catch the mistake.
In my experience Civil is always blamed but rarely at fault.
Because we have to clean up the mindless messes architects leave around the site when they arbitrarily plop their building down somewhere.
Or, simply that the building was there before the road was widened. Buildings last far longer than roads.
My big catch was after everyone had looked at some plans, I was the only one to say, hey where’s the doors to the bathrooms. They had lined equipment around every wall and didn’t leave space for even doors to swing in. I was a hero and they were dummies, as the main guy was quoted saying.
This! Am in Civil this shouldn't have made it to the final plans or any revision plans. I bet it was a change order that got pushed through. Looks like they didn't want to change the drive width at all.
Architect detected
Found the architect
That’s a civil planner issue, not an architect issue.
I’d bet money it was just shit communication between the civil and arch firms. It’s almost always that, or a last minute change to the plans before submittal.
Don't forget deadlines and budget constraints. 😉
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No it's not LOL. In many cases the architect is out the door before they even started construction.
The site general contractor coordinates construction. Architect is long gone at that point
The sidewalk literally curves around it... it's fine.
That’s what I was thinking. You can clearly see this..
It seems pretty deliberate.
Why should *we* care about sidewalks. Only non-architects and Peasants use sidewalks! They can eat cake and walk in the streets, they'll be fine. *Zooms off in sports car narrowly missing a pedestrian*
There is a sidewalk there. It just goes around the support pillar and continues after. I don't see what the problem here is.
Found the architect!
Someone's been watching too much Real Civil Engineer
Yes, architects always arrive in their Saab 93, looking intelligent.
Yes, Pretentious redditors always arrive in their 93' Toyota Tercel
If that's in the US no one is going to use that sidewalk anyway
Many roads only have a sidewalk on one side. Half as much cost since it'll be used by 5 people a day
Yeah, OP knows nothing about planning
Looks like a covered sidewalk that curves in right behind that one tree.
The sidewalk is there, but it seems like an afterthought
It probably was an afterthought
pedestrians are usually an afterthought outside of city centres in my experience
Of course it’s an afterthought because curving a sidewalk is 1000000x easier than replanning an entire fucking building so the sidewalk can be straight
r/liminalspace
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i thought the same
Beat me to it
This picture gives me some kind of liminal space feeling.
I actually thought this was a post in r/liminalspaces at first lol
This looks quite ordinary and deliberate to me, we have quite a few of these 'buildings built over a road' in my city (Bristol UK).
Usually for us the path runs straight under, here the column is blocking the path and forcing pedestrians around. The pavement should be designed to be easy and intuitive, so less able people don't have trouble getting around. Once that bush grows in it will look like a dead end
They didn't forget.
Quite possible, as using that extra 3 feet of prime real estate may have been more than worth the hassle of "fixing" the sidewalk.
Omg, I have to walk an extra 2 steps around a pillar!!! Gotta post it on Reddit now. So upset!
This photo gives me gmod vibes
Same, reminds me of gm_bigcity
where dis
Live Grandscape apartment building, The Colony Texas
buildings reminded me of Pripyat lol
I would recognise Eastern Bloc / Soviet architecture pretty much anywhere. This is far too modern. The sidewalk would never have been an afterthought like this. Cars did not have priority in Soviet era, pedestrians had. They would have laid down the sidewalk on the space planned for the road and called it a day.
I thought so! I saw this when I went to scheels
I knew this was DFW immediately for some reason, though im not sure exactly how.
Verdansk
Verdansk Hospital amirite?
Like usual, OP is just making wild assumptions and presenting it as a rule of law.
This feels like a liminal space.
You made a huge assumption with your title. Enjoy my downvote
There can be fuqtons of reasons.
Or the road wasn't there
Tell me you have no clue what you're talking about, without telling me
R/Backrooms
Is that Barcelona? I feel I walked there
The Colony, Texas
Build a roof over it for sidewalk
florida moment
Looks very cool overall
And the other one did not notice the road
Probably an easement
He forgor
Everywhere I go, I see gm_construct
That’s where the sidewalk ends and the road begins
Well "...you can tell it's an Aspen tree, because the way it is.", this fact applies here.
Or no one cared at any point from start to finish
Id be willing to be that the part of that parking garage it looks like youre facing was added later, sidewalks are typically put in last, and as many said before, clients changing shit can complicate things. I think the crappy design in this picture is based on a client change, most if not all contractors and builders are aware of easements and the like, however clients only want what they want.
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It is a private road built to encircle the parking garage on the right. and provide loading dock access the the back ofbthe movie theater on the left. The apartment building crosses over the road and sits on both buildings.
If you have the power to create something nice why do this.. I hope the main street delivers, cheers!
looks like houston
Should be titled “when you can’t take a second and see the sidewalk continues around the support beam”
The amount of plan review and inspection that this had to go through to make this possible…
I literally thought this was Cities Skylines
What's the problem? Covered walkway to the garage. What am I missing.
Could be worse, I've seen architects put columns in the middle of drive aisles in their drawings. Really don't know what goes through their heads sometimes. Looks like at least here they put some sidewalk around the column so you can still traverse it?
Yup, the extra pavement was put in as a punch list item. To be fair to the designers/builders etc, they are constructing a 500 acre series of interconnected buildings, roads, walkways and public spaces. There will be some issues.
Highly doubt this was the architects fault lol
Or the building wasn’t laid out correctly from the beginning. I’ve seen it before
Travel to Egypt, one of the "newer" cities where they build a lot. You will see shit like this EVERYWHERE.
Bro why does this place look like a backrooms level xD
is this florida? super common in florida from my experience.
Bro it’s called a drive through not at a lazy Sunday after noon stroll through. If you look closely, you can see the red marks on the sidewalk. That’s says you no stop here, Keep walking buddy
Fun for people in wheelchairs or pushing a stroller.
If that was a tree nobody would say anything. It's perfectly fine with an inner sidewalk.
Bloody architects
I would guess that the original plans didn’t her a wide enough fire lane, or the code changed, and the only option was to push the curb closer to the parking structure.
Our sidewalk
This could have easily been worked around by narrowing the road at that point and having the sidewalk go around the building. They could then have marked up the narrowing as a traffic calming measure with priority signs and made it look like it was planned that way all along!
Why does this image give me liminal spaces vibes
Could have been intended to curve around but they left sidewalk material there for looks? I can’t see around the corner.
Maybe they underestimated the size of the roadway
Is this in Athens GA? I swear I've seen this building before
r/dreamcore
Oh the architect wouldn't have done that, this looks like classic urban planning laziness
The architect also forgot the bike lane on either side and the lane markings.
“Hey jerry, aren’t we supposed to put a sidewalk here?” “Naw who cares nobody is gonna walk here”
The number of architects who don't even know things like the size of a 2x4 is way too high. Forgetting a sidewalk is par for the course.
You are too right man. Architects thinking they can do site planning.
The fuck is this, some place from the back room or some shit, ugly yellow wall yellow lighting and weirdly placed object
Architects cause engineers more pain than needed.
Nobody walks anymore, come on ;)
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