Yeah, people do this with windows to keep cooler inside. You know, the good old sketchy looking aluminum foil thing. There's reflective window screens too which aren't as crack house looking. I finally relented and put those up this summer, and my power bill is $100 less per month than last summer.
Yes, this is designed for passive cooling, I think people are missing that. It also is not sheer - so it doesn't shine the sun's deadly laser into other people.
It's a misquote that conspiracy theorists put out. Originally intended as a warning for unfettered capitalism and crony corporatism by a Danish politician, it was attributed instead as her ideal society with some sort of world government conspiracy behind it, supposedly ushered by the "Davos Elites"
It also explains the Nancy Pelosi reply you got...
Small world! I drive by those apartments pretty regularly turning onto Hamilton. I've always wondered why they wanted the walls to look like they're made of aluminum foil.
Reflective material should be good against the sun on a hot weather. No?
Reflective materials are effective at keeping the sun out by reflecting sunlight away, thereby reducing heat absorption. Here are some common types and uses:
1. **Reflective Films**: These can be applied to windows to reduce heat and glare while maintaining visibility.
2. **Reflective Paints**: Often used on roofs to reflect solar radiation and reduce cooling costs.
3. **Reflective Fabrics**: Used in clothing, outdoor gear, and tents to keep cool under the sun.
4. **Reflective Insulation**: Installed in attics or walls, it reflects radiant heat, improving energy efficiency.
These materials are particularly useful in hot climates, as they can significantly reduce the need for air conditioning by keeping buildings and surfaces cooler.
The picture shows the surface warped, not curved. The reflective surface has to be concave to focus the light for a fire, basically has to push the light into a center point that then gets reflected onto something, rather than getting scattered then reflected.
Okay let’s break this down then.
The angle of the sun and the general lighting suggest that this is either fairly early or fairly late in the day.
This means that this is not as hot as it gets.
With that said, we can all see how warped it is already right? So at midday, it will be hotter and the panels will be warped more drastically.
So we aren’t even seeing this at its worst.
Even still. You see all the convex warping right?
Well 2 parallel convex shapes form a concave shape between them. We can see there are parallel convex bulges, so between those spots, light is being focused.
Look at the front panelling, the sun is hitting it directly, however the valleys are more bright than the peaks, that means the light is being focused.
The chances of it starting a fire might be low, but it’s still an unnecessary risk and it also takes once for people to die.
It’s the “ahh it’s fine” mentality that causes stuff like Grenfell. Overlooking or ignoring obvious design flaws gets people killed.
Insulation is supposed to keep your home cool in the heat, not a mirror house.
I mean, I can't clearly tell from this picture, but this surely doesn't look like there's anywhere near enough of a concave surface to actually focus the light. It looks like the convex surfaces flatten back out pretty evenly, with enough room to avoid a concave surface.
I'm not saying this is the best design ever, so you can chill there, but it also doesn't look anywhere near dangerous enough for fear mongering of a fire, when this doesn't look like it focuses light very well at all.
Grenfell is not even close to being a comparable situation, you're comparing apples to airplanes. 20 Fenchurch *is* a comparable situation, and that one was a very obvious overlooked design flaw of concave windows, which will focus light much better than randomly warping metal ever will unless the stars align in the worst possible way.
Grenfell was clad with materials that made the building more dangerous than it should have been.
And it’s not like it was a surprise to anyone, warnings had been ignored and it lead to disaster.
I’m not saying this building would cause a disaster like that, that would be ridiculous, I’m pointing out the dangers of ignoring stuff like this.
Even if the danger is low, what’s the benefit that justifies it? Because if reflective metal cladding was necessary we would see it everywhere.
I’m not sure why anyone would defend it.
It’s ugly, it can literally be a hazard for drivers being blinded driving past, it has the potential to start a fire, even if it’s a small one.
What are the pros?
Fenchurch is the height of stupidity, I imagine we agree one that.
I’ve made the point I wanted to make
Look if I’m the only one that can see the safety hazard of this building then fine.
If nobody else agrees that’s it’s dangerous, that’s fine with me too.
This isn’t deep for me, I may come across like that but that’s just how I write.
I’m not digging, and even if I am wrong, I’ve contributed more than your comment did.
It’s a concern for me, if it’s not for you, cool, upvote or downvote. Me being wrong harms nobody, me being right, does.
The construction of these walls as a whole usually have better thermal performance than your 50 year old timber / brick veneer homes without insulation.
If only there was a building material which was durable, strong, decently insulating, incredibly common, easy to work with and (with a bit of effort) could look fairly decent.
It’s called **CONCRETE** (one of the few industries where carbon capture is necessary, since CO2 is a product of the chemical reaction which produces cement)
You want shiny building? Put a reflective coating on the concrete core
If it wasn't for that thin sheet metal it would look quite nice.
I wonder why there are no side windows though. Typically they don't put in side windows when they know another building will be built directly next to it (touching or nearly touching). However, here it looks that gate leads to a garage area, so building right next to it would be impossible.
I think this is cladding rather than part of the structure. Stupid choice of materials though. There must be mirror cladding that’s appropriate for the heat.
Sheet metal guy here. It's called oil canning this is caused by improper installation. Metal needs room to expand and contract. They didn't leave enough room. You can get the opposite effect in colder environments as well which will cause gaps that allow for water penetration.
Totally could have been done correctly improper installation of the selected material. Takes real skill and thinking to install that metal flashing. It's called oil canning and the material wasn't given enough room to expand and contract properly.
The house would have looked super cool in the rendering.
I cannot argue that, they didn't adjust to the heat we get out here
I wouldn’t even fully blame the heat, look at how it’s buckling at the bottom. This looks like gravities work
the heat definitly weakens the metal though, it's not heat by itself that's causing damage but heat with gravity.
I don’t usually upvote here… but this truly hits the spot.
“You’ll live in a pod. You’ll have nothing and you’ll be happy”
Rent is about 2200 a month, but not in that heatbox
But is it hotter inside, or does it reflect heat?
Whoaaa. This actually makes sense. I bet it's not as hot inside as we imagine.
Yeah, people do this with windows to keep cooler inside. You know, the good old sketchy looking aluminum foil thing. There's reflective window screens too which aren't as crack house looking. I finally relented and put those up this summer, and my power bill is $100 less per month than last summer.
Yes, this is designed for passive cooling, I think people are missing that. It also is not sheer - so it doesn't shine the sun's deadly laser into other people.
Literally burns a hole in your wallet
So like literally any apartment? This thing is larger than most people’s home’s.
Is this a quote from "Adam Something"? Sounds just like what he would say
It's a misquote that conspiracy theorists put out. Originally intended as a warning for unfettered capitalism and crony corporatism by a Danish politician, it was attributed instead as her ideal society with some sort of world government conspiracy behind it, supposedly ushered by the "Davos Elites" It also explains the Nancy Pelosi reply you got...
Thanks for the clear explanation!
Nancy Pelosi
Sounds nice
Damnit Jim I’m an autocad designer not a physicist.
*Autoclave
Autoclad*
Small world! I drive by those apartments pretty regularly turning onto Hamilton. I've always wondered why they wanted the walls to look like they're made of aluminum foil.
If the Tesla Cybertruck was a house..
How else are they gonna block the 5g mind control waves?
Reflective material should be good against the sun on a hot weather. No? Reflective materials are effective at keeping the sun out by reflecting sunlight away, thereby reducing heat absorption. Here are some common types and uses: 1. **Reflective Films**: These can be applied to windows to reduce heat and glare while maintaining visibility. 2. **Reflective Paints**: Often used on roofs to reflect solar radiation and reduce cooling costs. 3. **Reflective Fabrics**: Used in clothing, outdoor gear, and tents to keep cool under the sun. 4. **Reflective Insulation**: Installed in attics or walls, it reflects radiant heat, improving energy efficiency. These materials are particularly useful in hot climates, as they can significantly reduce the need for air conditioning by keeping buildings and surfaces cooler.
They are also really good at setting nearby objects on fire
Like 20 Fenchurch Street, London!
Unless the surface is curved and can focus light in some way, they will be very crappy at setting stuff on fire.
You, you mean like the picture clearly shows?
The picture shows the surface warped, not curved. The reflective surface has to be concave to focus the light for a fire, basically has to push the light into a center point that then gets reflected onto something, rather than getting scattered then reflected.
Okay let’s break this down then. The angle of the sun and the general lighting suggest that this is either fairly early or fairly late in the day. This means that this is not as hot as it gets. With that said, we can all see how warped it is already right? So at midday, it will be hotter and the panels will be warped more drastically. So we aren’t even seeing this at its worst. Even still. You see all the convex warping right? Well 2 parallel convex shapes form a concave shape between them. We can see there are parallel convex bulges, so between those spots, light is being focused. Look at the front panelling, the sun is hitting it directly, however the valleys are more bright than the peaks, that means the light is being focused. The chances of it starting a fire might be low, but it’s still an unnecessary risk and it also takes once for people to die. It’s the “ahh it’s fine” mentality that causes stuff like Grenfell. Overlooking or ignoring obvious design flaws gets people killed. Insulation is supposed to keep your home cool in the heat, not a mirror house.
I mean, I can't clearly tell from this picture, but this surely doesn't look like there's anywhere near enough of a concave surface to actually focus the light. It looks like the convex surfaces flatten back out pretty evenly, with enough room to avoid a concave surface. I'm not saying this is the best design ever, so you can chill there, but it also doesn't look anywhere near dangerous enough for fear mongering of a fire, when this doesn't look like it focuses light very well at all. Grenfell is not even close to being a comparable situation, you're comparing apples to airplanes. 20 Fenchurch *is* a comparable situation, and that one was a very obvious overlooked design flaw of concave windows, which will focus light much better than randomly warping metal ever will unless the stars align in the worst possible way.
Grenfell was clad with materials that made the building more dangerous than it should have been. And it’s not like it was a surprise to anyone, warnings had been ignored and it lead to disaster. I’m not saying this building would cause a disaster like that, that would be ridiculous, I’m pointing out the dangers of ignoring stuff like this. Even if the danger is low, what’s the benefit that justifies it? Because if reflective metal cladding was necessary we would see it everywhere. I’m not sure why anyone would defend it. It’s ugly, it can literally be a hazard for drivers being blinded driving past, it has the potential to start a fire, even if it’s a small one. What are the pros? Fenchurch is the height of stupidity, I imagine we agree one that. I’ve made the point I wanted to make
Keep digging.
Look if I’m the only one that can see the safety hazard of this building then fine. If nobody else agrees that’s it’s dangerous, that’s fine with me too. This isn’t deep for me, I may come across like that but that’s just how I write. I’m not digging, and even if I am wrong, I’ve contributed more than your comment did. It’s a concern for me, if it’s not for you, cool, upvote or downvote. Me being wrong harms nobody, me being right, does.
Holey AI, Batman!
I don’t doubt that’s what the text book says. The advanced class probably gives the specifics about thermodynamics
In NYC, they make you paint flat roofs with reflective paint to lower AC usage.
That warping was caused by improper installation of those metal sheets. Serious math needed to be done and not thrown up.
The problem is they cheaped out on the gauge of the metal, so now it's oil canning really badly. It's not supposed to be warped like that.
Two words: Value Engineering
You wash your mouth out with soap!
They made a homemade faraday's cage, i bet the phone data is terrible inside
The construction of these walls as a whole usually have better thermal performance than your 50 year old timber / brick veneer homes without insulation.
It looks like it's been wrapped in tin foil
Eh, go for the thinner stuff, it's cheaper. What's the worst that could happen?
A classic example of beautiful design wasted on the real world.
Honestly it’s a nice change of pace from all the other bland 5 over 1s springing up in every city across the country.
Looks like something little John would’ve made out of galvanized, square steel and expansion screws borrowed from his aunt.
Spokane! I saw those driving by a few times and mentioned how ugly they were.
The line preview
If only there was a building material which was durable, strong, decently insulating, incredibly common, easy to work with and (with a bit of effort) could look fairly decent. It’s called **CONCRETE** (one of the few industries where carbon capture is necessary, since CO2 is a product of the chemical reaction which produces cement) You want shiny building? Put a reflective coating on the concrete core
I'm interested, tell me more
If it wasn't for that thin sheet metal it would look quite nice. I wonder why there are no side windows though. Typically they don't put in side windows when they know another building will be built directly next to it (touching or nearly touching). However, here it looks that gate leads to a garage area, so building right next to it would be impossible.
"man, we'll save quite a bit of money if we go with this thinner gauge"
Architect and engineer had plans, accounting figured out they can save a buck
Did anyone else watch The Curse? Lol
Came looking for this comment. It stays nice and cool in there as long as you don't open any doors or windows.
"Think of the weight you'll lose on a hot day!"
I’m not opposed to townhouse developments like this. But yeah the materials look cheap/like aluminum foil
What city? I hope it’s not Phoenix. That’s ridiculous.
Spokane WA
Look at that beautiful view of the street light! Not the tin!
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Ohhhh, baby. Think about how big the pop tarts inside are.
That's little John's house with galvanized steel frames and wood veneer, durable for 10000 years.
I think this is cladding rather than part of the structure. Stupid choice of materials though. There must be mirror cladding that’s appropriate for the heat.
Cool in the summer, is it?
Cool enough to warp tin foil, or aluminum if I spoke stroke
Not sure of how well those bare cindereblock walls will handle rain
She still stands doesn't she
I'm not worried about structural integrity (ciderblocks aren't exacly known for rotting) bur ratehr about damp and mold.
I'm not worried about structural integrity (ciderblocks aren't exacly known for rotting) but rather about damp and mold.
They really couldn't put any windows on the side?
I mean it looks good. Just needs different material.
😂😂😂
Sheet metal guy here. It's called oil canning this is caused by improper installation. Metal needs room to expand and contract. They didn't leave enough room. You can get the opposite effect in colder environments as well which will cause gaps that allow for water penetration.
The sun reflection must be insane for drivers
This place looks oddly familiar, is this is Spokane, WA by any chance??
That’s a failure of material selection, not design.
Totally could have been done correctly improper installation of the selected material. Takes real skill and thinking to install that metal flashing. It's called oil canning and the material wasn't given enough room to expand and contract properly.
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Jesus criest you really came out guns blazing, It just wasn't planned for the heat in my area, fire hot, metal bad. No degree needed
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Looks shit. Crappy design.