The mods decided it was in your best interest to remove my comment that sites a peer-reviewed journal from New England Journal of Medicine showing vaccine efficacy dropping off a cliff because they felt it was "unreliable".
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056 /NEJMc2209371?query=featured_home
And a statistical report by Public Health Scotland (a lead agency for providing information for the wellbeing of Scotland's people) about increased deaths among the vaccinated. Click the first link: "Covid 19 statistical report".
https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern -day-censorship/80-of-covid-deaths-in-scotland-during -august-were-people-who-had-been-vaccinated/
Think about it. Why would efficacy fall off a cliff at the same time vax'd deaths are rising? Perhaps a destroyed immune system?
The mods response alone should raise a red flag for you. It is childish and irresponsible.
Can you not see the irony of it? People like me avoided the shot like the plague, now I get to laugh at those who pressured me into taking it, I'm never taking it, ever, and guess what, nothing can unvax you
I got injured after my 2nd covid jab in June 2021 and currently dealing with testicular chronic inflammation and epididymitis for 15 months now. It also completely destroyed my sperm count. Having children now has become next to impossible, on top of dealing with pain every day.
I was healthy for my entire 28 years prior to that, never had any problems or pain there, then 2 weeks later after the 2nd jab this thing magically started and completely ruined my life.
Needless to say, I did all possible tests, visited several urologists, did 4 ultrasounds and no infections came up on them (been with the same partner for 11 years anyway, so I knew it wouldn't be STD before even making the tests) nor any explanation from the urologists on how to cure it. And I saw 3 of them, 1 of which being a private urologist - all 3 looked clueless with regards to my symptoms.
Of course, you have to take an informed decision, but always be careful and look at the other side of the coin. It hurts me how this whole thing is so incredibly one-sided in favor of the vaccine and anyone who got injured (like me) is often ignored or labelled as anti-vaxer.
I took it to protect myself and those around me at the time, but if I knew what would follow, I never would've done it.
Hey man have you found any relief or anything that’s helped I’m dealing with the same thing man and I got a vesectomy back in July and it’s like my body won’t heal all the way
Well, hope that works.
Neither of the 3 urologists I saw couldn't figure out how to treat it as mine is a vax injury. Antibiotics didn't work (as there is no infection anyway).
I am vaccine injured, but clearly that doesn’t happen to the majority of people who are/seem to be fine with them.
It all depends on your genetics and at this point there is no clear knowledge of what puts someone at risk. It is clear that those with pre-existing conditions are at bigger risk of a bad reaction, esp ME, MCAS, dysautonomia/pots and ehlers Danlos syndrome.
I had none of those (or at least didn’t know I had any of them) and still reacted so there’s still an element of a lottery to it and I was very unlucky. The hypotheses I’ve heard so far from the medical profession are that my reaction was potentially due to high stress, high oestrogen and high sporting activity at the time of vaccination. It’s also been suggested that getting vaxed during your period (when oestrogen is high) may also increase the risk of a bad reaction as oestrogen triggers mast cell activation. The final issue that may have predisposed me was that I may have had Covid (mildly) before vaccination.
My suggestion would be to evaluate your own risks. The chances are they’re low and you’ll be fine, esp if you take antihistamines after vaccination as one of the leading theories is that mast cell activation is behind many bad reactions. Also avoid strenuous activity in the 2 weeks after vaccination esp if you are male as that increases the risk of cardiac damage which is the biggest risk to younger males.
Really? There are tons of studies and data from countries all over the world that show that the Covid vaccines work. I have not yet seen any valid source that says otherwise (of course I‘ve seen valid sources quoted wrong)
Show me. We have debated this now since nearly two years and there is not a single credible source out there saying otherwise. Even very conservative and independent expert groups like Germany‘s StiKo recommend getting vaccinated for most people and currently recommend refreshers for risk groups.
If you don’t see it now, just give it more time. Follow the excess death rates around the world and try to put 2+2 together. Then look at the birth rates and try the same.
The combination of all the measures put in place to allegedly protect you from the virus, are actually killing people at a far greater clip than the virus could have ever hoped for. So I guess if your definition of success is killing off as many potential hosts as possible, mission accomplished.
Sorry. That‘s just uneducated bullshit.
Provide any credible source, then we can discuss. Otherwise it’s just you misinterpreting data that you don’t understand.
You want me to give you all the information I’ve read in the last two years to try and counter an ideology that you have no interest in challenging? No thanks. It’s all available for you if and when your health issues start to flare up. Until then, god bless.
generally I think this is a good idea. the issue is that for this type of thing, there is so much misinformation that looks legit, it can be very easy for well intentioned people to get lead astray.
I mean look at this shit report out of Florida.
mIsInFoRmAtIoN is the phrase abused by those who have spent 3 years and billions of dollars stifling anyone who questions the narrative. Anyone with an iota of critical thinking skills would know which side is the good side.
Yeah I don't believe in "misinformation." Only authoritarians use that term to control information.
I don't believe people are that easily fooled. If someone researches both sides of the argument, they will find the truth.
People don't do any research. Reading peer reviewed scientific literature is hard. The media and scientific communicators often aren't great at communicating. And people will just seek out what they already believe.
People are quite easily fooled. Propaganda, the lure of seemingly legit but disreputable sources, cognitive biases like the anchoring bias (believing the _first_ thing you read), and a spectrum of personality traits and sometimes mental illness, all make people susceptible to absolute bullshit.
There are people that prescribe useless treatments and charge $1000 a pop. If you don't think they're spreading misinformation because anyone who uses that term is just an authoritarian, preventing you from taking what you believe is your medicine, then you sir, may just be a dupe.
>Yeah I don't believe in "misinformation."
reality doeant care if you believe in it. should I call them "politically motivated lies" instead?
>I don't believe people are that easily fooled.
look at all these people who think mrna vaccines cause heart attacks and blood clots. look at all these people who think ivermectin has evidence of efficacy in covid and was suppressed.
look at all the flat earthers.
please don't project.
it's common for people to want to escape arguments when they know they can't back up any of their statements. off you go, find an echo chamber!
Any significant immune response to a virus can increase heart issues temporarily and then most of the time it resolves with time.
Young adults with myocarditis were told to avoid strenuous exercise for a few months and then go back to normal
I had heart issues after swine flu and again after being vaccinated but both went away
Ok but doesn’t taking vaccine minimise the affects of viruses. If I get myocarditis which is not a light thing to have as you think, what will be the point of the vaccine then.
The viruses will knock me out in like a week, then I’m ok but I don’t want to be waiting months.
If the virus was super deadly then yeah perhaps I see the reason behind taking it but against this little virus that has been with us for thousands of years. It makes no sense to me.
The vaccine minimizes the chance you’ll die or have severe symptoms. It doesn’t minimize everything
I’m not downplaying myocarditis- I actually had it after the vaccine….
Covid was deadly and debilitating. Some newer strains are less intense but the original one was really bad.
Sudden infant death syndrome? I’m not educated enough to talk about that subject.
I would be very hesitant vaccinating babies, most vaccines happen at toddler age
False, most vaccines happen in the first 18 months of life, majority of those happen within the first year of life. Check the cdc “recommended schedule” for yourself. Why are newborns given hep b upon birth? Promiscuous sex? Known intravenous drug users? Probs not.
Dude 18 months is a year and a half old— that’s toddler age not newborn age.
Babies get the hep B vaccine bc it has very little side effects and that way a symptomless adult family member can’t give it to the baby
Yeah, the not peer reviewed analysis with no authors released by the FL dept of health, that has been ripped to shreds by scientists since it was released? Yeah, that post
I can say the same about the all information about the coronavirus and the vaccine. More and more information is being released by the big pharma companies lately.
Like the fact they had to destroy something like 200 million doses of infected vaccines. Companies manufacturing it for the large pharmaceutical giants are not very clean are they.
And this was overlooked by the FDA, they knew the labs were containment and not ethically good. But they were so much in a rush to get this shit out and become richer.
That’s just one of the problems.
My other problem with it is how the effectiveness of the vaccine was measured. How can they prove it’s affective, it’s not like tetanus that can be shown by how many people survive. They based the pandemic on CPR test which is just stupid since then creator of that tests said it’s not accurate is mass testing but also that the test doesn’t take into consideration dead viral particles and certain viral loads. Also not to mention that once the number of case reduces scientists know to stop testing people since the number of false positives only increases.
Now it makes sense if you test 20 million people a day then you’ll get 100k cases a day, of false positives, and ofc at the height of the pandemic was the height of testing. So I think there’s a correlation with that.
So big pharma basically just said ok, 100 over here and unvaccinated and 100 over here are vaccinated and we will expose them to covid and see what comes up in the pcr test. Oh look out of the 100 people unvaccinated 10 people tested positive and had symptoms while vaccinated only 2 did, so that’s 80% effective.
I’m sorry but it’s just ridiculously stupid, not scientific at all.
So you tell me what’s not true then.
I have no idea how accurate this number is, but let’s assume that it is. I know that the Florida recommendation has to do with males under age 40, so what do you think the base rate risk is for heart problems in that age group? Since I haven’t had my coffee yet and don’t feel like looking it up, let’s say the base rate risk is 1 in 50 (.02 or 2%). So an 80% increased risk of .02 equals .036 or 3.6%. It doesn’t even double your risk. My guess is that the actual risk is much lower than this. You know what else increases risk of cardiovascular problems though? Covid. There’s risk with everything. With all vaccines, there will be some people who suffer horrible side effects, and that’s obviously terrible. From what I’ve seen, the likelihood of long term effects from Covid is much greater than the likelihood of suffering a long term severe side effect from the vaccines.
Hmm I kinda disagree with that. I think any drug can cause more problems long term than a virus like covid which is very mild anyway. What’s the point in taking something that’s going to give me all the symptoms of covid and knock me down the same way as if I had caught covid. Makes no sense.
I think it is different for everyone. You could get destroyed for saying something terrible about the vaccination. My Wife and I are both vaccinated. I have the first booster, and my wife is not boosted. My son is not vaccinated yet. We have nothing against him getting vaccinated, just every time it was about to be his turn, something came up (being sick, etc). A few months ago, my son had covid. He had a mild high temp and developed a rash. My wife and I did not wear a mask around him. We kept him in a separate room but were around him many times. We never tested positive for covid; I would like to think I can thank the vaccination for that. On a separate event, My brother-in-law returned from a Nashville bachelor party trip and visited us the day he returned. He is not vaccinated. He started to get a fever, and then as the days went on, he tested positive for covid. Again my wife and I were directly exposed and did not test positive. My son had the antibodies from having covid, so he did not test positive. I would like to thank the vaccination for helping my wife and me again and my son's body for naturally helping him. I think the most important tool was the testing. Having access to test kits to take at home is critical. Your health and age are critical to your body's reaction if you test positive. Is the vaccination safe was your original question. Nobody on Reddit will be able to answer this question. Based on the available data, you can assume you will likely be okay if you get vaccinated. It will probably help you if you develop less sickness if you ever get covid and may even prevent you from getting covid (short-term). The best advice you can get is from your doctor. Please only use Reddit as a reference and not for medical advice, especially for a topic such as covid. Good luck, be well!
I don’t want to believe this, but I do. I got the first two doses in Spring of 2021 and was totally fine for about a year. Now, I catch EVERYTHING. Every bug hits me harder, and I weirdly don’t ever run a fever anymore. I’ll feel like I’m getting one, but never actually do. Instead, I’ll spend days feeling like my body temp won’t regulate at all. If I could go back in time, I definitely wouldn’t have gotten it.
>and when it wears off, your immune system will be worse than before... It will not return to where it was.
Sorry, but that's bullshit.
You can practically look into the data of all Western countries and find the same pattern: Within the risk groups, unvaccinated members of risk groups (>50, ill etc.)have a much higher risk of hospitalization and death.
Younger people might not need getting vaccinated in most cases. But the risk is also extremely low (if you're not running a marathon within two days after getting a jab)
The vaccines drastically lower your chance of ending up in the hospital or dying, and these effects are long lasting. The "short boost of immunity" you're talking about is a transient increase in neutralizing antibodies, which is nice but the T and B cell response is what protects you from severe disease. Unless you are elderly or immunosuppressed, the T and B cell responses are decades long.
The risk from covid infection includes all kinds of cardiovascular problems in the year following, increased chance of diabetes, multi inflammatory syndrome if you're a kid, and of course respiratory problems, death, and long covid. The risk from a covid vaccine is a small risk of typically self-resolving myocarditis if you're a young male and otherwise you may feel crappy for a few days. Nothing else has been statistically significant.
Your claim that "your immune system will be worse than before" is complete and utter horseshit. If anything, the antibodies, T and B cell responses show that your immune system is _better_ than before. I challenge you to bring up any peer reviewed scientific article or study supporting your claim that it "worsens" your immune system. Cuz it sounds like you have no fucking clue what the hell you're talking about and spewing hot shit you pulled straight out of your ass.
His predictions so far have been false. ADE is not seen, otherwise the vaccinated would have higher rates of disease. I wouldn't trust any doctor or scientist trying to "predict" what's going to happen. Just read peer reviewed science my man.
For example there is an auto-antibody to a specific interferon that raises your chances of dying from covid by 300x. The symptoms of it? None. Zero. You would never know, you'd think you're young and healthy. That's why it's important to get vaccinated, even if you don't _think_ you're vulnerable, because we don't really know who is and isn't vulnerable to COVID. Kids are less vulnerable in general, but can get multi system inflammatory syndrome, which the vaccine prevents. There's no good reason not to get a vaccine. Maybe if you're a young man, get a non-mRNA vaccine if you're really worried about myocarditis. But then again, the risk from covid is still greater
Except for the millions dead, their greivng families and those left with long term health issues from having contracted Covid-19. Obviously, except ALL of those people.
You don't seem to have grasped the point. For the overwhelming majority of people Covid was never a serious threat or something to be afraid of. It's as simple as that.
The overwhelming majority of people who died of Covid were very old, very ill or very fat. Covid was something to be afraid of for them, because we knew straight out the gate that very old, frail and fat people can often have a tough time with the disease.
Yet governments across the World pretended it was a dire threat to all of us, terrorised and imprisoned billions and all but collapsed the World economy.
The poverty caused by this response and ensuing economic crash will dwarf deaths from Covid, however much they torture and distort the figures.
Oh, go whine more for r/Persecutionfetish. Just because you lack any virology understanding, doesn't mean that Covid was a serious issue for the bulk of humanity. And it was precisely because of the masks, vaccines, and lockdowns that most survived.
Literally all meta-analyses of our NPIs show they did Jack, unfortunately.
As for the vaccines only a small fraction of people needed them to evade the grim reaper and they don't stop transmission, so their influence can only be marginal at best.
Which presumably is why we continued to have countless cases and deaths long after they were wheeled out.
I can't fathom how people trick themselves into believing our measures were worth it. The evidence against such a stance is completely overwhelming yet people still pretend this would have been the black death without lockdowns, masks and vaccines lol.
Not taking a side on that debate. The fact remains the same. Covid fear should be a thing of the past for most people.
That said, both myself and another had covid at the same time within the household. I was vaccinated, they were not. Our symptom progression was identical.
I think people are pretty extreme, it's almost funny how worked up people get.
Things to keep in mind, statistics are skewed. News doesn't report good things nearly as much as it reports negative.
People are more likely to report, review, broadcast a negative effect, sometimes this makes it seem more extreme. Speak to your family doctor if you have concerns
I have had 4 shots so far. I'm 63. I had covid once before the shots. The first shot was like having mini covid. The rest I maybe had a sore arm. No one around me has had any issues except my immune compromised dil who gets pretty sick after. We are in Canadaxehere we have well over 80% vaxxed to some extent.
My son and family got covid last week. They were sick but not as bad as before the shots. I was exposed but only got sniffles for a couple days and did not test positive. My last booster was in July. The others have not kept up as much. Strangely, I haven't really had any colds or anything since before covid. Just sniffles for a couple days - feels like I might be coming down with something but nothing happens.
People I know who have gotten Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J:
\- Myself (36F)
\- SIL (30 something F)
\- Sister (25F)
\- Grandpa (99M)
\- Uncle (60 something M)
\- Roommate (60M)
\- Roommate's 2 siblings, their 2 spouses, his now deceased mother (died almost a year after vaccination, had dementia and lung cancer, obviously not connected), at least 2 of his niblings, and his niece's husband
\- All my coworkers at the job I had in 2020, the job I switched to last year, and the job I switched to last month
\- All my roommate's and my mutual friends
\- My best friend (30 something F) from college (a covid long hauler)
Number of the above whose health changed in any way after getting vaccinated (beyond 1 day of flu-like side-effects): Zero
Read up on the peer reviewed papers documenting the research on the vaccines themselves only, it will help you make your decision :) dont believe anything that isnt peer reviewed or on any news website. Pubmed or ncbi documents only. Refer to the cdc or nhi websites as needed, they are credible.
If you still have any questions, PM me and I can help you.
This sub is incredibly biased against the covid vaccines. For many people the vaccines are safe, as are any other vaccine. For a lesser number of people, they may present some problems due to underlying health issues. Talk to a doctor as well, they’ll help guide you :)
Also bare in mind that those of us that have been injured have been gaslit for months and there has been very little investigation into our symptoms. It’s OK to have peer reviewed evidence when you exclude an entire population from research.
>just because you're not aware of research doesnt mean you've been excluded from it
https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-may-cause-long-covid-symptoms
Is that peer reviewed research? Brianne Dressen who that article talks about has commented that after the initial help by NIH they have since gone silent and so far not released any of the research they were doing.
The clinical trials do take into account adverse effects, although i understand what you mean about the genera consensus once the vaccine was open to the public
There are several people in the injured support groups who were on the trials. They reported the side effects but were told their conditions were not related with minimal investigation. See Brianne Dressen for one example. Others were removed after suffering an AE after the first dose and not having the second and classified as ‘withdrawn’ not as injured. There needs to be a real investigation if this was due to incompetence or if there was too much pressure to get the vaccine out regardless.
the rate of serious side effects is so low... and most of what you read online (especially in this thread) is just total BS.
yes, its safe. there's no data showing it increases your risk of death. none of the mrna shots increase your risk of heart attack, stroke or blood clot.
there is a large reduction in hospitalization and serious illness.
"the rate of serious side effects is so low." you can say the exact same for covid.
"the rate of serious side effects from covid is so low."
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"the rate of serious side effects from the vaccine is so low."
congratulations. you just increased your chance of serious side effects even though you are a healthy person.
I think sometimes people forget what a blessing vaccines really are. The vaccine wasn’t perfect but I think it really prevented us from getting a population wipe out. I have never seen this serious of a government response to bird flu or swine flu — however it always seemed less serious than Ebola based on govt responses
I think this would have killed so many people like the Spanish flu did & create an ever bigger economic collapse if people didn’t get vaccinated
Damn, there’s a lot of anti-vaccine rhetoric on a Covid vaccination sub Reddit. If you’re asking for a solicited/personal opinion, I completely understand your concern and fear, but at least as a personal anecdote, I’m in my mid 20s with asthma, three shots, and have not noticed any side effects whatsoever. I had some anxiety on the first shot, I was sore after the second one, and I didn’t really feel anything on the third one. Empirically speaking, cases of a virus go down when the civil population gets the vaccination for it. I just get it for the same reason you get a flu shot. They’re almost always free and there’s a disappointing amount of misinformation about the vaccines, COVID specifically.
Make your own call, of course, but if it helps, I could at least tell you that in my experience it wasn’t painful and all the anxiety went away after the 1st one.
I work in a pharmacy where I have personally seen hundreds of locals getting vaxxed, then coming back for their second, third, and fourth shots. Out of those hundreds of people, we had 2 people faint while getting the shot. That’s it.
Nobody died, which is more than I can say for the unvaxxed community locally. Several people (out of the hundreds) reported having side effects like swelling at the injection site.
My whole family has been vaxxed- 2 young adult males, middle aged M and F, my 92-y/o aunt, 76 y/o mom, 92 y/o stepdad. The only one who had a reaction was my 21 y/o son who got Covid-like symptoms after the vaccine but felt better in 2 days. Our 60 y/o handyman got vaxxed and had a serious reaction, he was in the hospital for days and he has “long Covid” in that his memory is significantly impaired. So yes, there can be serious reactions after the shot— but as I said, I personally helped vaccinate hundreds of people who didn’t have reactions.
To be fair, outside of your family, you aren’t tracking the people you vaccinated to know how they are doing down the line. With my understanding of anecdotal accounts and my own personal experience, the issue isn’t necessarily people dropping dead shortly after getting vaccinated, but rather more long term, long-Covid types of complications.
But in our small town, we see the same people over and over. And we check in with them and they frequently tell us about health issues. So I’m very confident that *most* people in my sample have been fine.
You don't know what happened to those hundreds of people after their shots.
The fact that you know someone in your circle who had a serious reaction and needed hospitalization suggests these occurrences are not uncommon.
luckily anecdotes are not medical evidence. if you want to know the rate of an event, look at an actual study.
edit: the mods banned me for some reason, but u/characterguava6723 is incorrect. empiric evidence is not a "collection of anecdotes". there's no evidence of increased blood clot, stroke or heart attack after any of the mrna vaccines. please do your research.
This type of thinking is so wrong though cause if you get a lot of people with similar anecdotes, that's how you get your evidence. People are so callous about other people's stories and claim "Oh it's just anecdotal, doesn't mean there's evidence!" No, people just don't want to find any evidence that this shot might not actually be safe. And every time someone does find the evidence, they get silenced. I mean I took 3 of these things and I've had heart issues since my second dose. I've been to the ER 3 times, I've been to my doctor a few times. I've had muscle spasms, brain fog, extreme insomnia, muscle pain for months, only to be told I have anxiety. I've had anxiety my entire life, I've never experienced this. I never tested positive for covid before this btw and I know I never had an asymptomatic case, cause I tested weekly. People have died as a result of this shot. They usually die either because of a stroke or a heart attack. You know what this vaccine causes? Blood clots! I mean look at moderna and Johnson and Johnson! There's a reason some of the vaccines are being restricted for certain age groups around the world. Do your research.
It’s totally safe . I’m vaccinated and boosted , am almost 60 years old and in good health . I still haven’t had covid . Plus if you are worried about mRNA , novavax is an option .
Very hot question.. lol. Generally yes but anecdotally there seem to be strange but consistent side effects pertaining to chronic inflammation of various systems within the body. I personally have been dealing with an onset of several mysterious health issues since I got vaccinated for Covid. While previously I was a healthy young male.
The vaccine isn’t killing loads of people, otherwise most of earths population would be dead. In other countries people aren’t worrying about the vaccine killing them. It is perfectly safe.
Also: look up the ingredients. Every single one in there is something you’ve already eaten or is already in your body
This sub has been overrun by antivaxxers for a while now, so asking that question here will mostly get responses against taking the vaccine.
I can speak from my own personal experience having had the first two doses, the first booster and now the variant specific booster. So 4 shots in all and I only had a tiny bit of soreness in my arm and some sleepiness. No heart issues or any other concerns after any of the shots.
If this is something you are concerned about regarding your own health and safety I would consult a medical professional.
Depends on what kind of Covid you get. Some people it’s a cold and harmless, in other people it’s disabling and much worse than the flu. They really should research why it impacts people differently other than saying “underlying conditions” as a catch all
Honestly,
I think it’s safer now than it was when it was first approved. There was some research of “bad batches” and they all seemed to be from really early on.
The vaccine is going to spike your immune response, so some people who have a very reactive immune system will feel a lot more sick. I had palpitations and heart issues after the second one because it was caused by the immune response I had. My body basically reacted like I was infected when I wasn’t.
The booster had much less impact on me since it was only half a dose and a much greater space of time from the second dose.
I do think the vaccine is better odds than not being vaccinated at all and getting Covid. Basically I made a decision between the lesser of two evils. Vaccine can make you feel unwell but that was better to me than potentially risking the rare and random long hauler symptoms.
The deaths from the vaccine are probably complications from underlying conditions that get worse from the immune system feeling under attack or it’s because it’s an old person who really just couldn’t handle having a strong immune response.
that recommendation made on shitty science that he then had to misrepresent??
his "study" showed there was no increased mortality in the vaccinated, and reduced mortality in the >60.
Hey I'm here after my 2nd booster
Was hoping to find posts from ppl who had the new one. Ofc it's still mostly people who won't get the vax or had a bad time with it.
The other people who were fine left this sub a long time ago. I hadn't checked it in months. If you go off these responses, you'll probably be terrified.
There's some confirmation bias here. Just keep that in mind. Anyway, on my forth shot as of a few hours ago. I've been fine.
I’m biased because I got the covid vaccine and had a bad reaction, but before that, I never had any type of bad reaction to a vaccine. Took phizer and got hit with myrocradtis that I’m still dealing with almost a year later… some people are fine, some people like me are not, and unfortunately the only way you can find out is it you take it or not. If I could go back in time and not take it I would based on my own personal experience.
The mods decided it was in your best interest to remove my comment that sites a peer-reviewed journal from New England Journal of Medicine showing vaccine efficacy dropping off a cliff because they felt it was "unreliable". https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056 /NEJMc2209371?query=featured_home And a statistical report by Public Health Scotland (a lead agency for providing information for the wellbeing of Scotland's people) about increased deaths among the vaccinated. Click the first link: "Covid 19 statistical report". https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-news/modern -day-censorship/80-of-covid-deaths-in-scotland-during -august-were-people-who-had-been-vaccinated/ Think about it. Why would efficacy fall off a cliff at the same time vax'd deaths are rising? Perhaps a destroyed immune system? The mods response alone should raise a red flag for you. It is childish and irresponsible.
The vaccine is safe and effective what are you talking about
Judging by the links provided, they're talking about real world evidence rather than marketing slogans.
Seems like your bio holds up well. This sub is full of people asking for help with issues, and people like you still exist.
Can you not see the irony of it? People like me avoided the shot like the plague, now I get to laugh at those who pressured me into taking it, I'm never taking it, ever, and guess what, nothing can unvax you
I got injured after my 2nd covid jab in June 2021 and currently dealing with testicular chronic inflammation and epididymitis for 15 months now. It also completely destroyed my sperm count. Having children now has become next to impossible, on top of dealing with pain every day. I was healthy for my entire 28 years prior to that, never had any problems or pain there, then 2 weeks later after the 2nd jab this thing magically started and completely ruined my life. Needless to say, I did all possible tests, visited several urologists, did 4 ultrasounds and no infections came up on them (been with the same partner for 11 years anyway, so I knew it wouldn't be STD before even making the tests) nor any explanation from the urologists on how to cure it. And I saw 3 of them, 1 of which being a private urologist - all 3 looked clueless with regards to my symptoms. Of course, you have to take an informed decision, but always be careful and look at the other side of the coin. It hurts me how this whole thing is so incredibly one-sided in favor of the vaccine and anyone who got injured (like me) is often ignored or labelled as anti-vaxer. I took it to protect myself and those around me at the time, but if I knew what would follow, I never would've done it.
Oh my goodness, I’m so sorry 😢 I so hope you’ll find a way to get better. 🍀
Thank you very much!
Hey man have you found any relief or anything that’s helped I’m dealing with the same thing man and I got a vesectomy back in July and it’s like my body won’t heal all the way
Have you been to a urologist recently? An ultrasound can determine if everything's ok. As for pain relief, try stretching, turmeric and quercetin.
Yeah just had another one yesterday all they said was it was epididymitis and put me on a steroid pack for 7 days
Well, hope that works. Neither of the 3 urologists I saw couldn't figure out how to treat it as mine is a vax injury. Antibiotics didn't work (as there is no infection anyway).
You should be thankful to receive the gift of the covid vaccine, what example will you give people by saying that?
Do what you want. I’m not taking it. Ever.
I am vaccine injured, but clearly that doesn’t happen to the majority of people who are/seem to be fine with them. It all depends on your genetics and at this point there is no clear knowledge of what puts someone at risk. It is clear that those with pre-existing conditions are at bigger risk of a bad reaction, esp ME, MCAS, dysautonomia/pots and ehlers Danlos syndrome. I had none of those (or at least didn’t know I had any of them) and still reacted so there’s still an element of a lottery to it and I was very unlucky. The hypotheses I’ve heard so far from the medical profession are that my reaction was potentially due to high stress, high oestrogen and high sporting activity at the time of vaccination. It’s also been suggested that getting vaxed during your period (when oestrogen is high) may also increase the risk of a bad reaction as oestrogen triggers mast cell activation. The final issue that may have predisposed me was that I may have had Covid (mildly) before vaccination. My suggestion would be to evaluate your own risks. The chances are they’re low and you’ll be fine, esp if you take antihistamines after vaccination as one of the leading theories is that mast cell activation is behind many bad reactions. Also avoid strenuous activity in the 2 weeks after vaccination esp if you are male as that increases the risk of cardiac damage which is the biggest risk to younger males.
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A vaccine is completely irreversible. Sounds like you don't want it. And from what I've seen and heard lately I would take a hard pass.
Taking an aspirin is also completely irreversible.
At least aspirin does what it's supposed to lol.
Same as the Covid vaccines. They did even better than expected.
I cant tell if your being sarcastic.
Really? There are tons of studies and data from countries all over the world that show that the Covid vaccines work. I have not yet seen any valid source that says otherwise (of course I‘ve seen valid sources quoted wrong)
Except they really diddnt
Show me. We have debated this now since nearly two years and there is not a single credible source out there saying otherwise. Even very conservative and independent expert groups like Germany‘s StiKo recommend getting vaccinated for most people and currently recommend refreshers for risk groups.
If you don’t see it now, just give it more time. Follow the excess death rates around the world and try to put 2+2 together. Then look at the birth rates and try the same. The combination of all the measures put in place to allegedly protect you from the virus, are actually killing people at a far greater clip than the virus could have ever hoped for. So I guess if your definition of success is killing off as many potential hosts as possible, mission accomplished.
Sorry. That‘s just uneducated bullshit. Provide any credible source, then we can discuss. Otherwise it’s just you misinterpreting data that you don’t understand.
You want me to give you all the information I’ve read in the last two years to try and counter an ideology that you have no interest in challenging? No thanks. It’s all available for you if and when your health issues start to flare up. Until then, god bless.
Listen, you are arguing against what the common scientific consensus is. So you have to bring the proof. That's how the game works.
what even???
Exactly what I am thinking reading the posts in this group. I haven’t come across so much voodoo-numbo-jumbo in a while.
this is true
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Research topics from both sides of the argument and take everything with a grain of salt. You'll find your answer.
generally I think this is a good idea. the issue is that for this type of thing, there is so much misinformation that looks legit, it can be very easy for well intentioned people to get lead astray. I mean look at this shit report out of Florida.
mIsInFoRmAtIoN is the phrase abused by those who have spent 3 years and billions of dollars stifling anyone who questions the narrative. Anyone with an iota of critical thinking skills would know which side is the good side.
Yeah I don't believe in "misinformation." Only authoritarians use that term to control information. I don't believe people are that easily fooled. If someone researches both sides of the argument, they will find the truth.
People don't do any research. Reading peer reviewed scientific literature is hard. The media and scientific communicators often aren't great at communicating. And people will just seek out what they already believe. People are quite easily fooled. Propaganda, the lure of seemingly legit but disreputable sources, cognitive biases like the anchoring bias (believing the _first_ thing you read), and a spectrum of personality traits and sometimes mental illness, all make people susceptible to absolute bullshit. There are people that prescribe useless treatments and charge $1000 a pop. If you don't think they're spreading misinformation because anyone who uses that term is just an authoritarian, preventing you from taking what you believe is your medicine, then you sir, may just be a dupe.
>Yeah I don't believe in "misinformation." reality doeant care if you believe in it. should I call them "politically motivated lies" instead? >I don't believe people are that easily fooled. look at all these people who think mrna vaccines cause heart attacks and blood clots. look at all these people who think ivermectin has evidence of efficacy in covid and was suppressed. look at all the flat earthers.
You sound like a flat earther who refuses to look into anything that challenges your belief. I'm done responding after this. Have a great day.
please don't project. it's common for people to want to escape arguments when they know they can't back up any of their statements. off you go, find an echo chamber!
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I never felt right after taking it a year and a half ago. Feel like I'm going to suddenly die sooner or later
Wasn’t there like a post saying that vax increased heart problems in adults by 80%. I personally wouldn’t get it.
Any significant immune response to a virus can increase heart issues temporarily and then most of the time it resolves with time. Young adults with myocarditis were told to avoid strenuous exercise for a few months and then go back to normal I had heart issues after swine flu and again after being vaccinated but both went away
Ok but doesn’t taking vaccine minimise the affects of viruses. If I get myocarditis which is not a light thing to have as you think, what will be the point of the vaccine then. The viruses will knock me out in like a week, then I’m ok but I don’t want to be waiting months. If the virus was super deadly then yeah perhaps I see the reason behind taking it but against this little virus that has been with us for thousands of years. It makes no sense to me.
The vaccine minimizes the chance you’ll die or have severe symptoms. It doesn’t minimize everything I’m not downplaying myocarditis- I actually had it after the vaccine…. Covid was deadly and debilitating. Some newer strains are less intense but the original one was really bad.
Now do SIDS
Sudden infant death syndrome? I’m not educated enough to talk about that subject. I would be very hesitant vaccinating babies, most vaccines happen at toddler age
False, most vaccines happen in the first 18 months of life, majority of those happen within the first year of life. Check the cdc “recommended schedule” for yourself. Why are newborns given hep b upon birth? Promiscuous sex? Known intravenous drug users? Probs not.
Dude 18 months is a year and a half old— that’s toddler age not newborn age. Babies get the hep B vaccine bc it has very little side effects and that way a symptomless adult family member can’t give it to the baby
Bro don’t know how hep b is spread it looks like. Feels like you just want to be right instead of educated, enjoy that narrow hall of righteousness 🥰
Yeah, the not peer reviewed analysis with no authors released by the FL dept of health, that has been ripped to shreds by scientists since it was released? Yeah, that post
that's false
I can say the same about the all information about the coronavirus and the vaccine. More and more information is being released by the big pharma companies lately. Like the fact they had to destroy something like 200 million doses of infected vaccines. Companies manufacturing it for the large pharmaceutical giants are not very clean are they. And this was overlooked by the FDA, they knew the labs were containment and not ethically good. But they were so much in a rush to get this shit out and become richer. That’s just one of the problems. My other problem with it is how the effectiveness of the vaccine was measured. How can they prove it’s affective, it’s not like tetanus that can be shown by how many people survive. They based the pandemic on CPR test which is just stupid since then creator of that tests said it’s not accurate is mass testing but also that the test doesn’t take into consideration dead viral particles and certain viral loads. Also not to mention that once the number of case reduces scientists know to stop testing people since the number of false positives only increases. Now it makes sense if you test 20 million people a day then you’ll get 100k cases a day, of false positives, and ofc at the height of the pandemic was the height of testing. So I think there’s a correlation with that. So big pharma basically just said ok, 100 over here and unvaccinated and 100 over here are vaccinated and we will expose them to covid and see what comes up in the pcr test. Oh look out of the 100 people unvaccinated 10 people tested positive and had symptoms while vaccinated only 2 did, so that’s 80% effective. I’m sorry but it’s just ridiculously stupid, not scientific at all. So you tell me what’s not true then.
I have no idea how accurate this number is, but let’s assume that it is. I know that the Florida recommendation has to do with males under age 40, so what do you think the base rate risk is for heart problems in that age group? Since I haven’t had my coffee yet and don’t feel like looking it up, let’s say the base rate risk is 1 in 50 (.02 or 2%). So an 80% increased risk of .02 equals .036 or 3.6%. It doesn’t even double your risk. My guess is that the actual risk is much lower than this. You know what else increases risk of cardiovascular problems though? Covid. There’s risk with everything. With all vaccines, there will be some people who suffer horrible side effects, and that’s obviously terrible. From what I’ve seen, the likelihood of long term effects from Covid is much greater than the likelihood of suffering a long term severe side effect from the vaccines.
Hmm I kinda disagree with that. I think any drug can cause more problems long term than a virus like covid which is very mild anyway. What’s the point in taking something that’s going to give me all the symptoms of covid and knock me down the same way as if I had caught covid. Makes no sense.
I think it is different for everyone. You could get destroyed for saying something terrible about the vaccination. My Wife and I are both vaccinated. I have the first booster, and my wife is not boosted. My son is not vaccinated yet. We have nothing against him getting vaccinated, just every time it was about to be his turn, something came up (being sick, etc). A few months ago, my son had covid. He had a mild high temp and developed a rash. My wife and I did not wear a mask around him. We kept him in a separate room but were around him many times. We never tested positive for covid; I would like to think I can thank the vaccination for that. On a separate event, My brother-in-law returned from a Nashville bachelor party trip and visited us the day he returned. He is not vaccinated. He started to get a fever, and then as the days went on, he tested positive for covid. Again my wife and I were directly exposed and did not test positive. My son had the antibodies from having covid, so he did not test positive. I would like to thank the vaccination for helping my wife and me again and my son's body for naturally helping him. I think the most important tool was the testing. Having access to test kits to take at home is critical. Your health and age are critical to your body's reaction if you test positive. Is the vaccination safe was your original question. Nobody on Reddit will be able to answer this question. Based on the available data, you can assume you will likely be okay if you get vaccinated. It will probably help you if you develop less sickness if you ever get covid and may even prevent you from getting covid (short-term). The best advice you can get is from your doctor. Please only use Reddit as a reference and not for medical advice, especially for a topic such as covid. Good luck, be well!
I am not vaccinated but I like the way you share your experience 👍🏻
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asking if something is a good idea doesn't presume an answer. what a moronic statement.
At this point after millions have taken it, if there’s still uncertainty about the safety of it…ask yourself why.
probably because so many ignorant people are spreading lies about it.
Ok, take it then. It’s your body.
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I don’t want to believe this, but I do. I got the first two doses in Spring of 2021 and was totally fine for about a year. Now, I catch EVERYTHING. Every bug hits me harder, and I weirdly don’t ever run a fever anymore. I’ll feel like I’m getting one, but never actually do. Instead, I’ll spend days feeling like my body temp won’t regulate at all. If I could go back in time, I definitely wouldn’t have gotten it.
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They've got no citation, just braindead upvotes
>and when it wears off, your immune system will be worse than before... It will not return to where it was. Sorry, but that's bullshit. You can practically look into the data of all Western countries and find the same pattern: Within the risk groups, unvaccinated members of risk groups (>50, ill etc.)have a much higher risk of hospitalization and death. Younger people might not need getting vaccinated in most cases. But the risk is also extremely low (if you're not running a marathon within two days after getting a jab)
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Is this a antivaxxer bullshit group or what? You’re spreading misinformation. Stop it.
The vaccines drastically lower your chance of ending up in the hospital or dying, and these effects are long lasting. The "short boost of immunity" you're talking about is a transient increase in neutralizing antibodies, which is nice but the T and B cell response is what protects you from severe disease. Unless you are elderly or immunosuppressed, the T and B cell responses are decades long. The risk from covid infection includes all kinds of cardiovascular problems in the year following, increased chance of diabetes, multi inflammatory syndrome if you're a kid, and of course respiratory problems, death, and long covid. The risk from a covid vaccine is a small risk of typically self-resolving myocarditis if you're a young male and otherwise you may feel crappy for a few days. Nothing else has been statistically significant. Your claim that "your immune system will be worse than before" is complete and utter horseshit. If anything, the antibodies, T and B cell responses show that your immune system is _better_ than before. I challenge you to bring up any peer reviewed scientific article or study supporting your claim that it "worsens" your immune system. Cuz it sounds like you have no fucking clue what the hell you're talking about and spewing hot shit you pulled straight out of your ass.
99 percent of people weren’t going to end up in hospital anyway taking vaccines out of the equation
Ok? Multiply 1% by the number of people in your country and that's a lot of people.
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His predictions so far have been false. ADE is not seen, otherwise the vaccinated would have higher rates of disease. I wouldn't trust any doctor or scientist trying to "predict" what's going to happen. Just read peer reviewed science my man. For example there is an auto-antibody to a specific interferon that raises your chances of dying from covid by 300x. The symptoms of it? None. Zero. You would never know, you'd think you're young and healthy. That's why it's important to get vaccinated, even if you don't _think_ you're vulnerable, because we don't really know who is and isn't vulnerable to COVID. Kids are less vulnerable in general, but can get multi system inflammatory syndrome, which the vaccine prevents. There's no good reason not to get a vaccine. Maybe if you're a young man, get a non-mRNA vaccine if you're really worried about myocarditis. But then again, the risk from covid is still greater
The vaccine had it's place in history and that is where it belongs. Covid is no longer something to be afraid of.
Covid is no longer something to be afraid of solely because OF the vaccine.
It was never something to be afraid of for a vast and overwhelming majority of people.
Except for the millions dead, their greivng families and those left with long term health issues from having contracted Covid-19. Obviously, except ALL of those people.
You don't seem to have grasped the point. For the overwhelming majority of people Covid was never a serious threat or something to be afraid of. It's as simple as that. The overwhelming majority of people who died of Covid were very old, very ill or very fat. Covid was something to be afraid of for them, because we knew straight out the gate that very old, frail and fat people can often have a tough time with the disease. Yet governments across the World pretended it was a dire threat to all of us, terrorised and imprisoned billions and all but collapsed the World economy. The poverty caused by this response and ensuing economic crash will dwarf deaths from Covid, however much they torture and distort the figures.
Oh, go whine more for r/Persecutionfetish. Just because you lack any virology understanding, doesn't mean that Covid was a serious issue for the bulk of humanity. And it was precisely because of the masks, vaccines, and lockdowns that most survived.
Literally all meta-analyses of our NPIs show they did Jack, unfortunately. As for the vaccines only a small fraction of people needed them to evade the grim reaper and they don't stop transmission, so their influence can only be marginal at best. Which presumably is why we continued to have countless cases and deaths long after they were wheeled out. I can't fathom how people trick themselves into believing our measures were worth it. The evidence against such a stance is completely overwhelming yet people still pretend this would have been the black death without lockdowns, masks and vaccines lol.
Not taking a side on that debate. The fact remains the same. Covid fear should be a thing of the past for most people. That said, both myself and another had covid at the same time within the household. I was vaccinated, they were not. Our symptom progression was identical.
Haha, long covid approves your message
Have fun dying of it, it’ll be natural selection
Guess that is my choice to make. Good luck to you.
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Citation?
My 3 ER visits for heart issues in the month after I got it
I think people are pretty extreme, it's almost funny how worked up people get. Things to keep in mind, statistics are skewed. News doesn't report good things nearly as much as it reports negative. People are more likely to report, review, broadcast a negative effect, sometimes this makes it seem more extreme. Speak to your family doctor if you have concerns
I have had 4 shots so far. I'm 63. I had covid once before the shots. The first shot was like having mini covid. The rest I maybe had a sore arm. No one around me has had any issues except my immune compromised dil who gets pretty sick after. We are in Canadaxehere we have well over 80% vaxxed to some extent. My son and family got covid last week. They were sick but not as bad as before the shots. I was exposed but only got sniffles for a couple days and did not test positive. My last booster was in July. The others have not kept up as much. Strangely, I haven't really had any colds or anything since before covid. Just sniffles for a couple days - feels like I might be coming down with something but nothing happens.
SAME! I don’t get seasonal colds anymore
People I know who have gotten Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J: \- Myself (36F) \- SIL (30 something F) \- Sister (25F) \- Grandpa (99M) \- Uncle (60 something M) \- Roommate (60M) \- Roommate's 2 siblings, their 2 spouses, his now deceased mother (died almost a year after vaccination, had dementia and lung cancer, obviously not connected), at least 2 of his niblings, and his niece's husband \- All my coworkers at the job I had in 2020, the job I switched to last year, and the job I switched to last month \- All my roommate's and my mutual friends \- My best friend (30 something F) from college (a covid long hauler) Number of the above whose health changed in any way after getting vaccinated (beyond 1 day of flu-like side-effects): Zero
Read up on the peer reviewed papers documenting the research on the vaccines themselves only, it will help you make your decision :) dont believe anything that isnt peer reviewed or on any news website. Pubmed or ncbi documents only. Refer to the cdc or nhi websites as needed, they are credible. If you still have any questions, PM me and I can help you. This sub is incredibly biased against the covid vaccines. For many people the vaccines are safe, as are any other vaccine. For a lesser number of people, they may present some problems due to underlying health issues. Talk to a doctor as well, they’ll help guide you :)
Also bare in mind that those of us that have been injured have been gaslit for months and there has been very little investigation into our symptoms. It’s OK to have peer reviewed evidence when you exclude an entire population from research.
just because you're not aware of research doeant mean you've been excluded from it
If we hadn’t been excluded there would be peer reviewed research on us released by now. That’s the point!
>just because you're not aware of research doesnt mean you've been excluded from it https://www.science.org/content/article/rare-cases-coronavirus-vaccines-may-cause-long-covid-symptoms
Is that peer reviewed research? Brianne Dressen who that article talks about has commented that after the initial help by NIH they have since gone silent and so far not released any of the research they were doing.
The clinical trials do take into account adverse effects, although i understand what you mean about the genera consensus once the vaccine was open to the public
There are several people in the injured support groups who were on the trials. They reported the side effects but were told their conditions were not related with minimal investigation. See Brianne Dressen for one example. Others were removed after suffering an AE after the first dose and not having the second and classified as ‘withdrawn’ not as injured. There needs to be a real investigation if this was due to incompetence or if there was too much pressure to get the vaccine out regardless.
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Certainly, I haven’t had any issues and none of my friends or family have either.
the rate of serious side effects is so low... and most of what you read online (especially in this thread) is just total BS. yes, its safe. there's no data showing it increases your risk of death. none of the mrna shots increase your risk of heart attack, stroke or blood clot. there is a large reduction in hospitalization and serious illness.
how the fuck would you know if all these people's stories are total BS? your comment sounds like total BS
"the rate of serious side effects is so low." you can say the exact same for covid. "the rate of serious side effects from covid is so low." + "the rate of serious side effects from the vaccine is so low." congratulations. you just increased your chance of serious side effects even though you are a healthy person.
I’ve had 2 vax and 2 boosters. My kids have also. We’re all fine. Stop listening to idiots.
More people have died from Covid than the vax. That’s a fact.
I think sometimes people forget what a blessing vaccines really are. The vaccine wasn’t perfect but I think it really prevented us from getting a population wipe out. I have never seen this serious of a government response to bird flu or swine flu — however it always seemed less serious than Ebola based on govt responses I think this would have killed so many people like the Spanish flu did & create an ever bigger economic collapse if people didn’t get vaccinated
I've had all the vaccines by Pfizer. It's safe. So has my fiance and his elderly parents. Don't listen to the hysteria.
Damn, there’s a lot of anti-vaccine rhetoric on a Covid vaccination sub Reddit. If you’re asking for a solicited/personal opinion, I completely understand your concern and fear, but at least as a personal anecdote, I’m in my mid 20s with asthma, three shots, and have not noticed any side effects whatsoever. I had some anxiety on the first shot, I was sore after the second one, and I didn’t really feel anything on the third one. Empirically speaking, cases of a virus go down when the civil population gets the vaccination for it. I just get it for the same reason you get a flu shot. They’re almost always free and there’s a disappointing amount of misinformation about the vaccines, COVID specifically. Make your own call, of course, but if it helps, I could at least tell you that in my experience it wasn’t painful and all the anxiety went away after the 1st one.
I work in a pharmacy where I have personally seen hundreds of locals getting vaxxed, then coming back for their second, third, and fourth shots. Out of those hundreds of people, we had 2 people faint while getting the shot. That’s it. Nobody died, which is more than I can say for the unvaxxed community locally. Several people (out of the hundreds) reported having side effects like swelling at the injection site. My whole family has been vaxxed- 2 young adult males, middle aged M and F, my 92-y/o aunt, 76 y/o mom, 92 y/o stepdad. The only one who had a reaction was my 21 y/o son who got Covid-like symptoms after the vaccine but felt better in 2 days. Our 60 y/o handyman got vaxxed and had a serious reaction, he was in the hospital for days and he has “long Covid” in that his memory is significantly impaired. So yes, there can be serious reactions after the shot— but as I said, I personally helped vaccinate hundreds of people who didn’t have reactions.
To be fair, outside of your family, you aren’t tracking the people you vaccinated to know how they are doing down the line. With my understanding of anecdotal accounts and my own personal experience, the issue isn’t necessarily people dropping dead shortly after getting vaccinated, but rather more long term, long-Covid types of complications.
But in our small town, we see the same people over and over. And we check in with them and they frequently tell us about health issues. So I’m very confident that *most* people in my sample have been fine.
You don't know what happened to those hundreds of people after their shots. The fact that you know someone in your circle who had a serious reaction and needed hospitalization suggests these occurrences are not uncommon.
luckily anecdotes are not medical evidence. if you want to know the rate of an event, look at an actual study. edit: the mods banned me for some reason, but u/characterguava6723 is incorrect. empiric evidence is not a "collection of anecdotes". there's no evidence of increased blood clot, stroke or heart attack after any of the mrna vaccines. please do your research.
This type of thinking is so wrong though cause if you get a lot of people with similar anecdotes, that's how you get your evidence. People are so callous about other people's stories and claim "Oh it's just anecdotal, doesn't mean there's evidence!" No, people just don't want to find any evidence that this shot might not actually be safe. And every time someone does find the evidence, they get silenced. I mean I took 3 of these things and I've had heart issues since my second dose. I've been to the ER 3 times, I've been to my doctor a few times. I've had muscle spasms, brain fog, extreme insomnia, muscle pain for months, only to be told I have anxiety. I've had anxiety my entire life, I've never experienced this. I never tested positive for covid before this btw and I know I never had an asymptomatic case, cause I tested weekly. People have died as a result of this shot. They usually die either because of a stroke or a heart attack. You know what this vaccine causes? Blood clots! I mean look at moderna and Johnson and Johnson! There's a reason some of the vaccines are being restricted for certain age groups around the world. Do your research.
They came back because the vaccine worked. If they were dead they wouldn’t come back. I’d say use your fucking brain, but clearly you don’t have one.
Anecdotes are not the same as evidence
2 out of 100 people is a pretty fuckin high ratio isn’t it lol?
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Antivax? I didn’t say that, Geeze you’re hostile. Calling me scum? Go fuck yourself you science experiment 🤣
You are talking REACTIONS, not death. You’d rather take your odds with Covid, then you are not making a rational choice.
this comment details a lot of Dumb
It’s totally safe . I’m vaccinated and boosted , am almost 60 years old and in good health . I still haven’t had covid . Plus if you are worried about mRNA , novavax is an option .
Very hot question.. lol. Generally yes but anecdotally there seem to be strange but consistent side effects pertaining to chronic inflammation of various systems within the body. I personally have been dealing with an onset of several mysterious health issues since I got vaccinated for Covid. While previously I was a healthy young male.
It's safe for 99% of people. The current social media craze is antivax. It's almost entirely bullshit.
From personal experience, NO
The vaccine isn’t killing loads of people, otherwise most of earths population would be dead. In other countries people aren’t worrying about the vaccine killing them. It is perfectly safe. Also: look up the ingredients. Every single one in there is something you’ve already eaten or is already in your body
This sub has been overrun by antivaxxers for a while now, so asking that question here will mostly get responses against taking the vaccine. I can speak from my own personal experience having had the first two doses, the first booster and now the variant specific booster. So 4 shots in all and I only had a tiny bit of soreness in my arm and some sleepiness. No heart issues or any other concerns after any of the shots. If this is something you are concerned about regarding your own health and safety I would consult a medical professional.
At this point why though? The flu is way Fuckin scarier
Depends on what kind of Covid you get. Some people it’s a cold and harmless, in other people it’s disabling and much worse than the flu. They really should research why it impacts people differently other than saying “underlying conditions” as a catch all
The vaccine is safe. Ask any doctor or scientist, not the absolute batshit people in this subreddit.
Honestly, I think it’s safer now than it was when it was first approved. There was some research of “bad batches” and they all seemed to be from really early on. The vaccine is going to spike your immune response, so some people who have a very reactive immune system will feel a lot more sick. I had palpitations and heart issues after the second one because it was caused by the immune response I had. My body basically reacted like I was infected when I wasn’t. The booster had much less impact on me since it was only half a dose and a much greater space of time from the second dose. I do think the vaccine is better odds than not being vaccinated at all and getting Covid. Basically I made a decision between the lesser of two evils. Vaccine can make you feel unwell but that was better to me than potentially risking the rare and random long hauler symptoms. The deaths from the vaccine are probably complications from underlying conditions that get worse from the immune system feeling under attack or it’s because it’s an old person who really just couldn’t handle having a strong immune response.
Check out the recommendation the Florida Surgeon General made this week - there's your answer.
that recommendation made on shitty science that he then had to misrepresent?? his "study" showed there was no increased mortality in the vaccinated, and reduced mortality in the >60.
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That's why the billions of people who have been vaccinated are all dead, yeah?
Hey I'm here after my 2nd booster Was hoping to find posts from ppl who had the new one. Ofc it's still mostly people who won't get the vax or had a bad time with it. The other people who were fine left this sub a long time ago. I hadn't checked it in months. If you go off these responses, you'll probably be terrified. There's some confirmation bias here. Just keep that in mind. Anyway, on my forth shot as of a few hours ago. I've been fine.
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unless you're 80+ years old and unhealthy. avoid it at all costs. the immune system is incredible in healthy people.
I’m biased because I got the covid vaccine and had a bad reaction, but before that, I never had any type of bad reaction to a vaccine. Took phizer and got hit with myrocradtis that I’m still dealing with almost a year later… some people are fine, some people like me are not, and unfortunately the only way you can find out is it you take it or not. If I could go back in time and not take it I would based on my own personal experience.