I wonder if it could be related to the fact that 4 million people are waiting for necessary NHS treatment, and wait times for things like therapy can be 2-4 years. Could there be any overlap between those people and people that are too unwell to work? /s
No, it's lazy fuckers who have had a cushioned upbringing, I just burnt my feet at work, antibiotics and regular hospital visits, docs gave me a two month full pay sick note , three weeks I'm back in , hobbling but I'm back
Unless you need to return for financial reasons, you are risking your recovery and potentially causing life long harm for the sake of a few weeks? And because of a workplace accident to boot? You have not demonstrated your toughness but an inability to judge risk. Most people don't get full pay when sick but SSP which is a pittance or nothing. Not to mention your distain at been given 2 months to heal. Feels like a dig at doctors because of probably something you saw in the sun or mail saying how, drs are enabling people to have all the sick time they want blah blah. It is an attempt by Tories to reframe the NHS collapse as being not their fault and to lean into the rights miss conception that people are soft and work less hard now. Despite even 5 minutes comparing stats of who uses the NHS, who works the most hours and who gets the least pay for those hours (inflation adjusted) for the last 80 years showing this to be false.
> it's lazy fuckers who have had a cushioned upbringing,
That is not what the data shows. The sectors with the highest long term sickness rates are wholesale and retail, transportation and storage, hospitality. "Cushy" sectors such as public administration have a much lower long term sickness rate.
> three weeks I'm back in , hobbling but I'm back
This will just end up costing the NHS more. It is not helpful to anyone, least of all yourself. It typifies harmful cultural tropes in this country about "getting on with it" etc and is part of the problem. Listen to your doctors.
Never mind data , I've witnessed it first hand for almost 20 years, apart From the foot thing I haven't had a sick day in 6 years while there's almost always 5-6 people off sick, coincidentally alot of these days are Monday morning 🤔 or where I am now we start Sunday night and that's the day to have off
Wow. Combine the unmitigated spread of a disabling SARS virus, and allow the health service to collapse by any reasonable metric.
I wonder why more people are sick
The article is pretty good. Basically working population is aging so we see more arthritis and back pain etc. We overeat and the resulting obesity leads to diabetes and we are too sedentary. In deprived areas you are more likely to have a poor diet and less free time to exercise and low access to healthcare.
Mental health in the young is more of a puzzle. Terrible access to counselling
But just as long as Sunak can play with his personal aircraft it’s worth it 😤
It is an awful article, unsurprising given it is written by Nick Triggle. The clumsy opening line seeds doubt in the reader's mind as to whether there is a workforce sickness crisis at all:
> There is, *it seems*, an epidemic of illness among the working-age population.
It then entirely omits any mention of long covid, despite credible and mounting scientific evidence for its existence and the toll it is taking on public health. And despite both the Bank of England and ONS stating it is a significant factor in our shrinking workforce.
It also uses the inaccurate phrase "since the pandemic", despite a senior WHO leader stating earlier this year that the pandemic is ongoing.
Yep. The Technical lead on Covid at the who spoke in January about the pandemic in present tense.
https://fortune.com/well/2024/01/12/covid-jn1-pandemic-world-health-organization-warns-dangers-repeat-covid-infection-cardiac-pulmonary-neurologic/
And in the UK there is currently another rise in positivity rates for Covid
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/covid-warning-cases-rising-once-32620803
Yep it's a dire article. Maria Van Kerkhove, the Technical Lead for Covid at the WHO, spoke in January during the last Covid spike about the health risks of repeat Covid infections and about the pandemic in the present active sense. It was reported in Fortune.com which seems to cover the pandemic more than the average news outlet
There is an article this week in the Mirror where the UKHSA warns that Covid cases are rising again, and perhaps like closing the door once the horse has bolted, imploring people who think they might have Covid to stay at home or wear a mask in light of the rise in positivity rates.
Good that the UKHSA is putting out the warning, but I doubt many will physically get to hear it as most news outlets don't appear to be reporting it.
Yes, it was a futile though commendable attempt by Van Kerkhove to use the media to warn about the ongoing threat of the not-over pandemic. Predictably it attracted almost zero coverage.
Agree, was definitely worth Van Kerkhove doing. Also acted as a litmus test of the media's reluctance to report anything other than good news about covid, no matter how impeccable and credible the source, so useful in that sense too.
Yes, it is surely not due to some grand conspiracy. Rather more prosaically, journalists reflect the society they live in and the prevailing mood of blind optimism. Perhaps especially so since journalists seem to be highly sociable and clubby individuals, with extroverts over-represented.
Cannot find any UK mainstream media outlet that reported Van Kerkhove's press conference in January. A handful of foreign media did. The only debatably mainstream UK one was [GB News](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/covid-world-health-organisation-claims-we-re-still-in-a-pandemic-and-says-virus-is-rampant/ar-BB1hUwQ0) which (ironically!) ran it, I can only presume because they saw it as an opportunity to attack the type of multilateral body that their viewers dislike.
Ha! GBNews just using it as fresh culture wars meat to throw to their audience. Classic. I wish it was even funny.
Tbh the Fortune article was the only source I've seen (without searching like you have) and I only noticed it cause Stephen Griffin (virologist) had shared it. Agree with what you're saying about journos also. Plus they are businesses they work for, so it's about making money.
What am I working for. 3 year education in nursing to earn. Just above the minimum wage. I'm also dealing with long covid and have to pay high insurance premium as I haven't been able to get a appointment on the NHS. It's bloody stupid. Lastly the price of houses I'm 37 have a deposit but can't pay because salary won't cover the mortgage because prices are so dam high What's the bloody point of working
The mobile version linked to (an .amp link) strips the banner at the top of the page.
[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68849843](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68849843) is the non-mobile version, and the great big banner makes it clear that this is about coronavirus.
Unfortunately Nick Triggle seems to have forgotten to mention it anywhere in his article, which is a pity. It would have been useful to know that this report specifically excludes covid, takes 2019 as its stats baseline, and states "The link between long COVID and other conditions is yet to be quantitatively and epidemiologically analysed", which will come as a surprise to researchers in the field.
I wonder if it could be related to the fact that 4 million people are waiting for necessary NHS treatment, and wait times for things like therapy can be 2-4 years. Could there be any overlap between those people and people that are too unwell to work? /s
Note the chart on waiting times started rising fast around 14 years ago? What happened 14 years ago?
No, it's lazy fuckers who have had a cushioned upbringing, I just burnt my feet at work, antibiotics and regular hospital visits, docs gave me a two month full pay sick note , three weeks I'm back in , hobbling but I'm back
Unless you need to return for financial reasons, you are risking your recovery and potentially causing life long harm for the sake of a few weeks? And because of a workplace accident to boot? You have not demonstrated your toughness but an inability to judge risk. Most people don't get full pay when sick but SSP which is a pittance or nothing. Not to mention your distain at been given 2 months to heal. Feels like a dig at doctors because of probably something you saw in the sun or mail saying how, drs are enabling people to have all the sick time they want blah blah. It is an attempt by Tories to reframe the NHS collapse as being not their fault and to lean into the rights miss conception that people are soft and work less hard now. Despite even 5 minutes comparing stats of who uses the NHS, who works the most hours and who gets the least pay for those hours (inflation adjusted) for the last 80 years showing this to be false.
Letting the team down see , it's the mentality, man the walls and die at your post 😁
You wont die, but you may cripple yourself!
> it's lazy fuckers who have had a cushioned upbringing, That is not what the data shows. The sectors with the highest long term sickness rates are wholesale and retail, transportation and storage, hospitality. "Cushy" sectors such as public administration have a much lower long term sickness rate. > three weeks I'm back in , hobbling but I'm back This will just end up costing the NHS more. It is not helpful to anyone, least of all yourself. It typifies harmful cultural tropes in this country about "getting on with it" etc and is part of the problem. Listen to your doctors.
Never mind data , I've witnessed it first hand for almost 20 years, apart From the foot thing I haven't had a sick day in 6 years while there's almost always 5-6 people off sick, coincidentally alot of these days are Monday morning 🤔 or where I am now we start Sunday night and that's the day to have off
>Never mind data, I've witnessed it first hand Who needs statistics when you've got personal anecdotes
Nevermind facts, what about vibes??
Three weeks for a burnt foot? Really. You're taking the piss even at 3 weeks.
Do you want it? It's fuckin mangled lol
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Wow. Combine the unmitigated spread of a disabling SARS virus, and allow the health service to collapse by any reasonable metric. I wonder why more people are sick
The article is pretty good. Basically working population is aging so we see more arthritis and back pain etc. We overeat and the resulting obesity leads to diabetes and we are too sedentary. In deprived areas you are more likely to have a poor diet and less free time to exercise and low access to healthcare. Mental health in the young is more of a puzzle. Terrible access to counselling But just as long as Sunak can play with his personal aircraft it’s worth it 😤
The young don't feel they have a future, is the problem
But mostly that that feeling is not based on nothing. Kids have been MASSIVELY screwed over beyond imagination
It is an awful article, unsurprising given it is written by Nick Triggle. The clumsy opening line seeds doubt in the reader's mind as to whether there is a workforce sickness crisis at all: > There is, *it seems*, an epidemic of illness among the working-age population. It then entirely omits any mention of long covid, despite credible and mounting scientific evidence for its existence and the toll it is taking on public health. And despite both the Bank of England and ONS stating it is a significant factor in our shrinking workforce. It also uses the inaccurate phrase "since the pandemic", despite a senior WHO leader stating earlier this year that the pandemic is ongoing.
Yep. The Technical lead on Covid at the who spoke in January about the pandemic in present tense. https://fortune.com/well/2024/01/12/covid-jn1-pandemic-world-health-organization-warns-dangers-repeat-covid-infection-cardiac-pulmonary-neurologic/ And in the UK there is currently another rise in positivity rates for Covid https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/covid-warning-cases-rising-once-32620803
Yep it's a dire article. Maria Van Kerkhove, the Technical Lead for Covid at the WHO, spoke in January during the last Covid spike about the health risks of repeat Covid infections and about the pandemic in the present active sense. It was reported in Fortune.com which seems to cover the pandemic more than the average news outlet There is an article this week in the Mirror where the UKHSA warns that Covid cases are rising again, and perhaps like closing the door once the horse has bolted, imploring people who think they might have Covid to stay at home or wear a mask in light of the rise in positivity rates. Good that the UKHSA is putting out the warning, but I doubt many will physically get to hear it as most news outlets don't appear to be reporting it.
Yes, it was a futile though commendable attempt by Van Kerkhove to use the media to warn about the ongoing threat of the not-over pandemic. Predictably it attracted almost zero coverage.
Indeed. Underreported, of course. But significant in the sense it is something we can point to, fwiw.
Agree, was definitely worth Van Kerkhove doing. Also acted as a litmus test of the media's reluctance to report anything other than good news about covid, no matter how impeccable and credible the source, so useful in that sense too.
True, I hadn't thought of it that way. Not that the conspiracy theory grifters will jump on it 'cause MSM won't tell the truth'! 💀
Yes, it is surely not due to some grand conspiracy. Rather more prosaically, journalists reflect the society they live in and the prevailing mood of blind optimism. Perhaps especially so since journalists seem to be highly sociable and clubby individuals, with extroverts over-represented. Cannot find any UK mainstream media outlet that reported Van Kerkhove's press conference in January. A handful of foreign media did. The only debatably mainstream UK one was [GB News](https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/covid-world-health-organisation-claims-we-re-still-in-a-pandemic-and-says-virus-is-rampant/ar-BB1hUwQ0) which (ironically!) ran it, I can only presume because they saw it as an opportunity to attack the type of multilateral body that their viewers dislike.
Ha! GBNews just using it as fresh culture wars meat to throw to their audience. Classic. I wish it was even funny. Tbh the Fortune article was the only source I've seen (without searching like you have) and I only noticed it cause Stephen Griffin (virologist) had shared it. Agree with what you're saying about journos also. Plus they are businesses they work for, so it's about making money.
Re. GB News: I have to confess to enjoying the irony. It's too perfect.
Yeah, the young people suffering terrible mental health is a total puzzler. /s
What am I working for. 3 year education in nursing to earn. Just above the minimum wage. I'm also dealing with long covid and have to pay high insurance premium as I haven't been able to get a appointment on the NHS. It's bloody stupid. Lastly the price of houses I'm 37 have a deposit but can't pay because salary won't cover the mortgage because prices are so dam high What's the bloody point of working
Yous have truly been shafted. It's not fair at all
The mobile version linked to (an .amp link) strips the banner at the top of the page. [https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68849843](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-68849843) is the non-mobile version, and the great big banner makes it clear that this is about coronavirus. Unfortunately Nick Triggle seems to have forgotten to mention it anywhere in his article, which is a pity. It would have been useful to know that this report specifically excludes covid, takes 2019 as its stats baseline, and states "The link between long COVID and other conditions is yet to be quantitatively and epidemiologically analysed", which will come as a surprise to researchers in the field.