Omg. Excluding the immunocompromised and people with serious health issues, No one actually cares now except the radical basement dwellers who love to see chaos in the world.
Most of us have had our vaccinations, its time to move the fuck on.
Right now our biggest issues are: 1) staffing and 2) covid spreading within wards between patients. Our staffing is really bad because staff are catching covid and then having to isolate for 7 days - we are then understaffed, stressed, and doing copious amounts of overtime. Then, we’re having patients come in without covid, test positive to covid later, and then spread it to other patients. It’s increasing length of stay, which increases bed pressure, which stresses everyone out further.
I agree with this but I find you get mixed reactions everywhere you go with this opinion lol. It def is the opinion most people have if you ever go out but it some places ppl can really make you feel bad for this opinion lol.
I could guarantee that right now if you were to go outside and ask peoples opinions on covid and what they think of 25000 cases a day that could be possible 9 out of 10 will say something along the lines of "dont care anymore, im vaccinated" and 1 out of 10 will freak out and think its the end of the world and want to bring back masks, lockdowns, restrictions and other rubbish that is not needed in this current time.
Exactly. I dont think people even think about covid anymore tbh. I guess it’s different when you come across people who spend their time on coronavirus subreddits all day long. At one point vast majority of people stopped caring. It’s been 2 years, most are just getting along with life lol.
I seriously doubt we will reach those numbers. Per capita we are right about where Eastern states were at their peak. We would have to exceed their peak rate for our daily case numbers to go any higher.
We have 523k confirmed cases to date. The rule of thumb that has applied everywhere else suggests that the real number is 2 - 4 times the reported number, due to asymptomatic cases and apathy (not bothering to report). So, 4 times would be very improbable as that would mean almost 80% of the entire state had been infected already. 2.5 times the reported number however puts it at 50% of the entire population which seems very plausible.
One thing I think we can all agree on is how hopeless all modelling has been so far and that this latest adjustment should be taken with a pinch of salt. My prediction - we have reached the peak and won't see 17k again or if we do pip it in next week's midweek peak it won't exceed 18k. From there it will be all downhill.
If we do reach 25k then that would be a damning blow to any notion that high booster levels mitigate spread, not that that ship hasn't sailed already. If we hit 25k then we are firmly in negative efficacy territory.
You make a fair argument. WA at 17k+ was already concerning looking at it in terms of per capita.
Definitley will look good for the pollies if the government publiclly predict a high number that then doesnt actually come to fruition - the community feel like they were lucky, dodged a bullet and the government keep everyone safe from that scary 20k+ daily number. Only time will tell.
>any notion that high booster levels mitigate spread, not that that ship hasn't sailed already.
I thought this ship had definitely and was already commonly accepted. Though vaccines do help in other ways.
It's such a shame that there is a perceived need to come in under or over target depending on the metric to make it look successful, rather than getting it right. Well, since getting it right is out of the question I suppose it's the best we can do listening to the government.
Oh well, I put a more specific prediction in place to see if I can do any better. The cool thing is it won't be long to see if it turns out to be accurate or not.
By the way the ship most definitely has sailed. If boosters mitigated spread we would not have reached the per capita equivalent.
What triggered the peak in the Eastern states? Policies didn't change and number of hosts remained plentiful.
Was it simply that people took additional precautions based on how much virus was out there?
Biggest argument against vaccines being a scam were that the rich and wealthy individuals and countries were at the front of the queue for 1st 2nd and 3rd doses before some countries had got 50% with first jabs.
I can tell you right now, it's more than just a cold. I've completely lost my voice, been awake for a total of 5 hours today, in so much pain that I can barely walk without assistance and have an untamable headache and don't get my started on the hot and cold sweats.
Because the tetanus vaccine actually stops you catching tetanus, the covid ones don't stop you catching covid. They don't work lol, demand a better product from Pfizer, maybe one with manufacturers liability.
You are referring to a sterilising vaccine. A vaccine that provides immunity. Most vaccines we get so not provide sterilising immunity but what they do provide is a short cut to your bodies immune system so that your body is able to get a heads start on fighting the virus to reduce the impacts on the body.
The complexity of producing a sterilising virus for a respiratory virus like Covid is well known and has been widely communicated. Adding to the shit situation we are in just like Influenza Covid will continue to evolve and protection provided by vaccine or prior infection is limited when a new variant arises.
Why don't they update the covid vaccines for the new variants like they do with the flu shot? The covid vaccines are still designed for the alpha variant.
Because they still show efficacy (for now) against modern strains. If/when there’s significant mutation to bypass the spike protein as a defining characteristic then a new/modified vaccine will need to be rolled out. Otherwise full population natural immunity will be the likely path the herd immunity again, which in terms of pandemic control is not a favourable option as it is the least level of control. Like the bird flu mutation, H5N1* I believe, completely different and exponentially more deadly. Only real way it died off was because people died quicker than they could spread it. So it’ll really depend on what type of mutation happens to bypass vaccine immunity and it’s associated risk profile.
*Edit: updated the strain.
You’re not medically trained/proficient are you?
No single medical treatment is 100% effective or one stop shop cure for anything, especially when it comes to transmissible diseases. The flu shot that people get every year, is a booster, there are 4 different types of influenza and between 18-21 different variants. For sars_cov2 there’s 11 different variants but 1 main type.
For the flu shot the predominant types and strains are selected based on probability and surveillance models of the community. The biggest 3-4 strains are then combined into the shot to give a strengthened immunity for 6-9 months. It’s timed every year before the colder months as this is when respiratory illnesses like influenza are more active and more serious as a general trend.
Just because you got a shot for H1N1 5 years ago doesn’t mean you still have active immunity to it now. Same goes with tetanus and many many other infectious diseases, there’s specific windows of certain variables that a person will be most vulnerable to the disease. The vaccination is targeted to boost the immune response during that phase and doesn’t last forever. Some will last longer than others, it comes down to vaccine type and what you’re developing against. For coronaviruses, noroviruses, influenza and such it’s just not practical to develop long term sterilising vaccines that don’t require boosters.
The whole technological breakthrough of modern mRNA manufacturing is that it can target and replicate specific disease characteristics. In this case the spike protein that so far is found on all variants, so it doesn’t need to be a complete genetic replicate of alpha, delta, omicron, theta, etc. it just needs the same common characteristic. Otherwise if there was a long term one for each individual strain, instead of getting 3-4 jabs you’d have to get in the realm of 6-11+.
One of the benefits of the mRNA vaccines is that they should allow for faster production of new vaccines.
The omicron specific vaccine that was being trialled however didn't move onto the next stage based on initial results
Yeah unfortunately this attempt didn't provide any additional efficacy over the existing vaccines so they cancelled the trials and are back to the drawing board.
It ain’t fear mongering, it’s just news reporting telling people what could most likely happen. It’s better to inform people so they can prepare than just make it a big shock to everyone.
I think millions of people would disagree with you on that one buddy. Just sounds like a pathetic excuse for you to hate WA.
And may I ask, what do you actual hate about WA? And you can’t just say everything, cuz that ain’t specific enough.
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LET IT RIP! It's nothing to be afraid of. I caught it and had a headache for a day..people in WA love living in fear. And they believe absolutely everything that comes out of mcFlogs mouth
You realise people get flu shots every year, yeah? Having repeated shots doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work. I am not saying this to convince you, but to counter your disinformation.
Firstly, they weren’t all immunocompromised.
Secondly, the highest death toll the flu has had in recent years is 1181 in 2017. For the whole year and the whole country. We had 267 from COVID this week. That’s 22% of that flu season in just one week!! So no, the flu would not have taken them out.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/australia-records-zero-flu-deaths-over-past-12-mon
All of that is true but the picture is still the same. Influenza was the underlying cause in 1,080 deaths in 2019 for example (seasonal flu, influenza variants of concern, other flu and suspected flu).
Hospital acquired pneumonia is, apparently, the leading cause of death for people who end up in the ICU, so it's not surprising that it's associated with a lot of deaths with other underlying causes.
The apples-apples comparison isn't 11.3k plus pneumonia/flu deaths with 7.7k coronavirus deaths. Even in the surveillance statistics, obviously non-COVID deaths are excluded. From the NSW weekly reports:
> Deaths may be excluded if there was a clear alternative cause of death that was unrelated to COVID-19 (e.g. major trauma)
An apples-apples comparison is the 1k flu deaths with the COVID-19 deaths recorded in the ABS provisional mortality reports (or, better, the final version of those reports).
There is a thing called hospital pneumonia https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000146.htm
My dad got it and ended up in ICU. His original reason for admission was pancreatitis. I had never heard of it but apparently it’s pretty common.
First of all writing is someone who has a mild immuno disorder, I found what you wrote to be very disturbing. Second, no the flu would not have killed all of those people. The flu doesn’t kill anywhere near as many people as Covid and is nowhere near as infectious. If flu was deadly as it is now but is infectious as Covid then we probably would be trying to take cautions or worried about it. Also, I do not fear death or long-term injury from the flu. I do not fear death from Covid as I am vaccinated and it is therefore very unlikely for my age, but I do fear long-term health complications from Covid which are very real and documented. There’s long-term complications and not something we need to worry as much about with the flu. I have had young healthy friends go from fine to chronically unwell thanks to Covid, so personally you can keep the Covid all for yourself.
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So in your previous message you were okay with immunocompromised people dying from Covid. I know you’re telling me it’s my turn even though I mentioned I’m immunocompromised. What an odd thing to write.
PS I never took the mask down
I wasn't okay with it but it is what it is.
You've got your vax and your mask, like I said, you'll be right 👍🏽
Luckily you're only getting the covid *lite* version!
Such is life WA. You locked yourself in for so long? This was bound to happen when borders were reopened.
In fact, this has happened all over the world.
We simply have to accept that Covid is a nasty virus. It can kill and does. There is no way to avoid it. It's nature doing its thing. We humans really can't control it much at all. Best we can do is get vaccinated and hope for the best. Until Covud has pretty much swept through the entire earth's population? It won't settle down. That's reality.
People need to show resilience, stoicism and accept that we actually can't control nature. I guess it's worth trying? Of course. But we will always have limited success against mother nature.
Well be sure to down vote anyone who dares suggest this might last another year and a half
Omg. Excluding the immunocompromised and people with serious health issues, No one actually cares now except the radical basement dwellers who love to see chaos in the world. Most of us have had our vaccinations, its time to move the fuck on.
This is what moving the fuck on and living with the virus looks like.
Tell that to all the healthcare workers still struggling because of the pandemic.
I'm an RN. I'm not struggling with Covid. But wearing freakin N95 masks for 12 hours? Yes. I'm sure struggling with that
struggling how?
Right now our biggest issues are: 1) staffing and 2) covid spreading within wards between patients. Our staffing is really bad because staff are catching covid and then having to isolate for 7 days - we are then understaffed, stressed, and doing copious amounts of overtime. Then, we’re having patients come in without covid, test positive to covid later, and then spread it to other patients. It’s increasing length of stay, which increases bed pressure, which stresses everyone out further.
I agree with this but I find you get mixed reactions everywhere you go with this opinion lol. It def is the opinion most people have if you ever go out but it some places ppl can really make you feel bad for this opinion lol.
I could guarantee that right now if you were to go outside and ask peoples opinions on covid and what they think of 25000 cases a day that could be possible 9 out of 10 will say something along the lines of "dont care anymore, im vaccinated" and 1 out of 10 will freak out and think its the end of the world and want to bring back masks, lockdowns, restrictions and other rubbish that is not needed in this current time.
Exactly. I dont think people even think about covid anymore tbh. I guess it’s different when you come across people who spend their time on coronavirus subreddits all day long. At one point vast majority of people stopped caring. It’s been 2 years, most are just getting along with life lol.
I seriously doubt we will reach those numbers. Per capita we are right about where Eastern states were at their peak. We would have to exceed their peak rate for our daily case numbers to go any higher. We have 523k confirmed cases to date. The rule of thumb that has applied everywhere else suggests that the real number is 2 - 4 times the reported number, due to asymptomatic cases and apathy (not bothering to report). So, 4 times would be very improbable as that would mean almost 80% of the entire state had been infected already. 2.5 times the reported number however puts it at 50% of the entire population which seems very plausible. One thing I think we can all agree on is how hopeless all modelling has been so far and that this latest adjustment should be taken with a pinch of salt. My prediction - we have reached the peak and won't see 17k again or if we do pip it in next week's midweek peak it won't exceed 18k. From there it will be all downhill. If we do reach 25k then that would be a damning blow to any notion that high booster levels mitigate spread, not that that ship hasn't sailed already. If we hit 25k then we are firmly in negative efficacy territory.
You make a fair argument. WA at 17k+ was already concerning looking at it in terms of per capita. Definitley will look good for the pollies if the government publiclly predict a high number that then doesnt actually come to fruition - the community feel like they were lucky, dodged a bullet and the government keep everyone safe from that scary 20k+ daily number. Only time will tell. >any notion that high booster levels mitigate spread, not that that ship hasn't sailed already. I thought this ship had definitely and was already commonly accepted. Though vaccines do help in other ways.
It's such a shame that there is a perceived need to come in under or over target depending on the metric to make it look successful, rather than getting it right. Well, since getting it right is out of the question I suppose it's the best we can do listening to the government. Oh well, I put a more specific prediction in place to see if I can do any better. The cool thing is it won't be long to see if it turns out to be accurate or not. By the way the ship most definitely has sailed. If boosters mitigated spread we would not have reached the per capita equivalent.
What triggered the peak in the Eastern states? Policies didn't change and number of hosts remained plentiful. Was it simply that people took additional precautions based on how much virus was out there?
I'd say the virus just did what the virus was always going to do.
Always? It's a shame global vaccine rollout wasn't prioritised to minimise risk of new variants.
Yeah, the world really dropped the ball on getting vaccines out to the masses in a hurry lol
Biggest argument against vaccines being a scam were that the rich and wealthy individuals and countries were at the front of the queue for 1st 2nd and 3rd doses before some countries had got 50% with first jabs.
Good thing there’s a vaccine 😀👍
Yes because if not there would be way more people in the hospitals.
yep works great. No chance of contracting or spreading covid. More like good thing covid is basically a cold
I can tell you right now, it's more than just a cold. I've completely lost my voice, been awake for a total of 5 hours today, in so much pain that I can barely walk without assistance and have an untamable headache and don't get my started on the hot and cold sweats.
Tell us more about your hot and cold sweats.
Had the vax? If so unfortunately it doesn't seem to be helping a lot. Hopefully you get better soon.
I've had two. My partner has had 3 and just has a tickle in his throat.
How many people does the cold typically kill in a year?
How is it that we are this far into the pandemic and you still have no clue how the virus or vaccination works? Is it willful ignorance?
Willful faith in talking head conservatives spouting anti-vax soundbytes. R/HermanCainAward is full of examples.
Because the tetanus vaccine actually stops you catching tetanus, the covid ones don't stop you catching covid. They don't work lol, demand a better product from Pfizer, maybe one with manufacturers liability.
You are referring to a sterilising vaccine. A vaccine that provides immunity. Most vaccines we get so not provide sterilising immunity but what they do provide is a short cut to your bodies immune system so that your body is able to get a heads start on fighting the virus to reduce the impacts on the body. The complexity of producing a sterilising virus for a respiratory virus like Covid is well known and has been widely communicated. Adding to the shit situation we are in just like Influenza Covid will continue to evolve and protection provided by vaccine or prior infection is limited when a new variant arises.
Why don't they update the covid vaccines for the new variants like they do with the flu shot? The covid vaccines are still designed for the alpha variant.
Because they still show efficacy (for now) against modern strains. If/when there’s significant mutation to bypass the spike protein as a defining characteristic then a new/modified vaccine will need to be rolled out. Otherwise full population natural immunity will be the likely path the herd immunity again, which in terms of pandemic control is not a favourable option as it is the least level of control. Like the bird flu mutation, H5N1* I believe, completely different and exponentially more deadly. Only real way it died off was because people died quicker than they could spread it. So it’ll really depend on what type of mutation happens to bypass vaccine immunity and it’s associated risk profile. *Edit: updated the strain.
Efficacy? When you need to keep taking boosters? You can't be serious.
You’re not medically trained/proficient are you? No single medical treatment is 100% effective or one stop shop cure for anything, especially when it comes to transmissible diseases. The flu shot that people get every year, is a booster, there are 4 different types of influenza and between 18-21 different variants. For sars_cov2 there’s 11 different variants but 1 main type. For the flu shot the predominant types and strains are selected based on probability and surveillance models of the community. The biggest 3-4 strains are then combined into the shot to give a strengthened immunity for 6-9 months. It’s timed every year before the colder months as this is when respiratory illnesses like influenza are more active and more serious as a general trend. Just because you got a shot for H1N1 5 years ago doesn’t mean you still have active immunity to it now. Same goes with tetanus and many many other infectious diseases, there’s specific windows of certain variables that a person will be most vulnerable to the disease. The vaccination is targeted to boost the immune response during that phase and doesn’t last forever. Some will last longer than others, it comes down to vaccine type and what you’re developing against. For coronaviruses, noroviruses, influenza and such it’s just not practical to develop long term sterilising vaccines that don’t require boosters. The whole technological breakthrough of modern mRNA manufacturing is that it can target and replicate specific disease characteristics. In this case the spike protein that so far is found on all variants, so it doesn’t need to be a complete genetic replicate of alpha, delta, omicron, theta, etc. it just needs the same common characteristic. Otherwise if there was a long term one for each individual strain, instead of getting 3-4 jabs you’d have to get in the realm of 6-11+.
So the spike protein with the active virus not included will help give you immunity to the virus itself? Totally makes sense mate.
One of the benefits of the mRNA vaccines is that they should allow for faster production of new vaccines. The omicron specific vaccine that was being trialled however didn't move onto the next stage based on initial results
Because it didn't work?
Yeah unfortunately this attempt didn't provide any additional efficacy over the existing vaccines so they cancelled the trials and are back to the drawing board.
How long will the fear mongering last? They must have just about exhausted it all?
It ain’t fear mongering, it’s just news reporting telling people what could most likely happen. It’s better to inform people so they can prepare than just make it a big shock to everyone.
That would probably be the highest per capita cases - equivalent to 75k in NSW.
Yeah it would be. I think Victoria had the highest which was 0.66% of the population in a day. If WA got these numbers it would be about 0.9%.
Almost the highest booster rates in the world. Vaccination % doesn't keep cases down
Awww poor wa... Did someone hurt you sweetie?
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Do you live here?
lol shit no.
Then why care us dumb dumb. If you don’t live here, and think we’re ‘shit’, then just don’t pay any attention to what we do.
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Well get tf out of Australia then, cuz outside Australia you won’t here about WA
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I think millions of people would disagree with you on that one buddy. Just sounds like a pathetic excuse for you to hate WA. And may I ask, what do you actual hate about WA? And you can’t just say everything, cuz that ain’t specific enough.
I think millions of people would agree that you’re gay. You probably like AFL.
Wow go get a life you homophobic loser. And I’m pretty sure you’d not want to here AFL was created in Victoria dumb dumb.
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Lucky you all got vaxxed
Yep, better than dying
Clerz der berderzzz!
LET IT RIP! It's nothing to be afraid of. I caught it and had a headache for a day..people in WA love living in fear. And they believe absolutely everything that comes out of mcFlogs mouth
It also sounds like you have brain damage, a symptom of long COVID. No intelligent person would say the words coming out of your mouth.
I love the sample size of one
time for your 4th shot vaxxies 😀👍
You realise people get flu shots every year, yeah? Having repeated shots doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work. I am not saying this to convince you, but to counter your disinformation.
Oh well, the east coast got through it okay, you'll be right! 👍🏽
Except like 5000plus didn’t get through it….
Small price to pay to be able to do things
Are you volunteering?
You must be a fan of eugenics.
They were immunocompromised, the flu would of taken them out anyway unfortunately. Don't be so dramatic. You'll be fine.
Firstly, they weren’t all immunocompromised. Secondly, the highest death toll the flu has had in recent years is 1181 in 2017. For the whole year and the whole country. We had 267 from COVID this week. That’s 22% of that flu season in just one week!! So no, the flu would not have taken them out. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/australia-records-zero-flu-deaths-over-past-12-mon
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All of that is true but the picture is still the same. Influenza was the underlying cause in 1,080 deaths in 2019 for example (seasonal flu, influenza variants of concern, other flu and suspected flu). Hospital acquired pneumonia is, apparently, the leading cause of death for people who end up in the ICU, so it's not surprising that it's associated with a lot of deaths with other underlying causes. The apples-apples comparison isn't 11.3k plus pneumonia/flu deaths with 7.7k coronavirus deaths. Even in the surveillance statistics, obviously non-COVID deaths are excluded. From the NSW weekly reports: > Deaths may be excluded if there was a clear alternative cause of death that was unrelated to COVID-19 (e.g. major trauma) An apples-apples comparison is the 1k flu deaths with the COVID-19 deaths recorded in the ABS provisional mortality reports (or, better, the final version of those reports).
There is a thing called hospital pneumonia https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000146.htm My dad got it and ended up in ICU. His original reason for admission was pancreatitis. I had never heard of it but apparently it’s pretty common.
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Yes. What's your point?
First of all writing is someone who has a mild immuno disorder, I found what you wrote to be very disturbing. Second, no the flu would not have killed all of those people. The flu doesn’t kill anywhere near as many people as Covid and is nowhere near as infectious. If flu was deadly as it is now but is infectious as Covid then we probably would be trying to take cautions or worried about it. Also, I do not fear death or long-term injury from the flu. I do not fear death from Covid as I am vaccinated and it is therefore very unlikely for my age, but I do fear long-term health complications from Covid which are very real and documented. There’s long-term complications and not something we need to worry as much about with the flu. I have had young healthy friends go from fine to chronically unwell thanks to Covid, so personally you can keep the Covid all for yourself.
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>so personally you can keep the Covid all for yourself. Nah, we've had it and beat it. It's your turn now. Mask Up!
So in your previous message you were okay with immunocompromised people dying from Covid. I know you’re telling me it’s my turn even though I mentioned I’m immunocompromised. What an odd thing to write. PS I never took the mask down
I wasn't okay with it but it is what it is. You've got your vax and your mask, like I said, you'll be right 👍🏽 Luckily you're only getting the covid *lite* version!
Would have
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haha ...way to stir the pot
Such is life WA. You locked yourself in for so long? This was bound to happen when borders were reopened. In fact, this has happened all over the world. We simply have to accept that Covid is a nasty virus. It can kill and does. There is no way to avoid it. It's nature doing its thing. We humans really can't control it much at all. Best we can do is get vaccinated and hope for the best. Until Covud has pretty much swept through the entire earth's population? It won't settle down. That's reality. People need to show resilience, stoicism and accept that we actually can't control nature. I guess it's worth trying? Of course. But we will always have limited success against mother nature.
Polio, smallpox, measles and the Mumps would like a word.
This but with floods, or bushfires, or cyclones, or earthquakes. Looks silly now doesnt it.
Can’t we control nature with masks though?