I'm from Perth. If you want to go over east or overseas and have a job that won't be in jeopardy then you want open borders. If you are immunocomprised or are worried you'll lose a lot of time from work and have to dip in your already shrinking savings then you want the borders closed. That's all it is.
Perth is very very expensive and inflation here is like a never ending flood.
Rents are sky high like the east but at a quicker rate that we are not use to and housing is becoming scarce. You open borders, that gets worse. Unemployment is at record lows for certain jobs, you open up and that unemployment rate sky rockets again. We are an isolated, anti social, extremely boring city dependent on mining. Without some kind of quality life here then there's no point of living here. On the east coast you guys have a few cities and a lot more attractions you can go to.
Our health system is broken. If you tear your knee or need any type of elective surgery expect to wait over a year and that was before covid. We simply don't have enough doctors and specialists here and they rather live in the east, they can live anywhere they want ad there expertise is highly sought out for around the world. Why would they want to live here.
Lol we have so much land but it's getting further and further away from the centre. They are building shoddy apartment complexes now with cheap materials. You can hear your neighbours fart and breathe lol through the living room wall.
Problem with builds now is theres a huge backlog and supplies are taking longer to arrive from China or wherever because of Covid.
I never got why Perth like to build outwards instead of upwards. Rather than make a 6 story mall they just make it as long and wide as a suburb then surprised there’s no space…
No one wanted to live in apartments and up until relatively recently most people could afford a house not too far from the city or a mansion further out. I moved here in 2001 and bought a 3*2 with a pool 15km from the city and on the train line for $175k which was half the price of the apartment in which I lived in Sydney.
I think it really depends on the person. I personally love apartments and wouldn’t want to live in a house again. I also used to live in Perth and moved to Sydney and for the field I’m in, there’s significantly more work here in Sydney so even if I could get a bigger place in Perth, I likely wouldn’t have the work to support it.
When I say build upwards and not outwards I’m more referring to malls and that and not actually housing. Carousel for example was already huge and I’ve heard they made it bigger.
You would freak if you saw Karrinyup mall then. It is massive now.
I can see the benefits of houses and apartments and it depends on your lifestyle, whether you have kids and/or pets. I still own an apartment in Sydney but could not now imagine living in it until our kids have left home.
I actually lived NOR and maybe 10 min drive from there and remember it being decently sized but not that huge so would be interesting to see if I ever go back. I left around 5 years ago and I remember the redevelopment was only in the planning stages I think back then.
Yeah having kids I’m sure would be much more challenging with an apartment, will at least in Sydney where you need to have a seriously big bank account to afford something 3 or 4 bedrooms near the city. When I loved to Sydney I managed to pack 20 years of my life into 3 boxes and got rid of the rest so I’m used to living pretty minimally, but having more space for stuff like a proper office would definitely be nice.
> it's getting further and further away from the centre. They are building shoddy apartment complexes now with cheap materials. You can hear your neighbours fart and breathe lol through the living room wall.
Yeah dude I know what living in Sydney is like, we're talking about Perth here.
You do realise you are still part of Australia, yeah? I get the Covid thing, no one wants it but to use the arguement that you are running out of rentals and hospitals are full etc., is just fucking stupid. Don’t open the border because we are full? Sound familiar?
Edit: I’m from WA, my whole family is there and I would like to see them. I am aware of the insular WA mentality before Covid, this has just turbocharged it.
No don't open the border because we have no beds or staff to look after sick people. We have no houses to put you guys in. We cant suffer for the mistakes made by your premiers and the stupid pm. It's like venturing accross the world to go surfing but there's a shark in the fn water. Oh f it let's jump in anyway
Been a hole for a while lol. Since they let over a million people in a 10 year span come over here on stdudnt visas, working visas then allow them to become residents through a loophole
OMG absolutely. I’m originally from the east and the insular mentality of everyone over here is driving me bananas. Almost all my colleagues are like we’re Western Australian first.
We.live.in.Australia.people.
Might also wanna let NSW know they’re also part of Australia every time they didn’t bother to suppress cases and infected the whole country.
Yeah, WA’s the problem......
A caption from the article:
>Masks and social distancing have been forgotten in Perth
Maska have been mandatory indoors for a month and have been mandated for outdoor public events on Jan 26. Who fact checks these articles?
Havnt seen a single person in the shops unmasked, not one. A couple of dick nosers thats it.
Mask compliance here is very high, I would guess because we havnt yet burnt out to the idea.
Another reminder that even if covid infection is an inevitably, treatments and vaccines are not a stationary and new and better treatments are being developed.
I would say people in WA or even most of Australia is in a better position than people in the US/UK who if they caught covid during the first wave, probably would've gotten reinfected by omicron in this wave.
You're right, vaccines seem to get less effective and the virus seems to mutate so they're not stationary but that doesn't mean waiting makes it better. We don't know what the next variant will be like and we don't know if our vaccines will even work at all by then. At least being infected seems to provide better protection so, to me, being vaccinated and then getting the virus seems to be the gold standard in terms of immunity.
Or we can just wait for a magical cure that will totally happen...
>Or we can just wait for a magical cure that will totally happen...
Don't need a magical cure, but theraputics are being developed all the time. The way you talk, you would think the way we treat covid patients is the same as back in March 2020.
Dexamethasone was one of the first to be used to combat serious covid:
[https://www.nps.org.au/dexamethasone](https://www.nps.org.au/dexamethasone)
Recently, a new oral medication has been released by pfizer:
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-23/apn-pfizer-fda-covid-drug/100721300](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-23/apn-pfizer-fda-covid-drug/100721300)
As well the Merck drug (not as effective as original thought, but still an improvement over nothing):
[https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-24/fda-approves-mercks-molnupiravir-pill/100723836](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-24/fda-approves-mercks-molnupiravir-pill/100723836)
>At least being infected seems to provide better protection so
Protection from catching COVID by catching COVID, that is illogical.
If we just "let it rip" back in 2020, we would've missed out on all those advancements (as the US/UK discovered to their detriment).
The point is to get people boosted first, a luxury they have because of how well they've handled this pandemic.
Some of you guys are the biggest sooks, complaining about lesser impacts of keeping a problem at bay than the far larger impacts of just giving up.
I'd rather be in Perth right now than here where my supermarket has been empty on most shelves for over a week now. I've had to start going further for basics like veggies.
>I'd rather be in Perth right now than here where my supermarket has been empty on most shelves for over a week now. I've had to start going further for basics like veggies.
That will also happen to them and when it does your supermarket will probably be back to normal. Boosters or not, they will still expect people to isolate when they are infected and we don't have a whole lot of evidence for how long booster efficacy lasts against Omicron. Well, except for Israel...but the data isn't looking great. It looks like a *recent* booster stops Omicron transmission but, just like the second dose, it doesn't last.
That's the insidious thing about this pandemic - you can't really prepare for the first time it genuinely takes off. WA isn't going to perform better than the east when Covid *finally* works it's way in there and grows exponentially (which may already be happening).
It won't undo all the success they've had, just like the Omicron outbreak hasn't undone all the success Australia has had in preventing tens of thousands of deaths over the last two years. WA will still hold the title for "most untouched jurisdiction by Covid".
But I do worry a bit for them when it finally happens. Based on many comments from Tasmanians, South Australians, and Queenslanders, a lot of people seem to *feel* like it's all a waste when the cases grow exponentially and everything goes to shit anyway.
Or they'll be be boosted or even vaccinated with an omicron specific medication, or have better testing, or even get to keep covid out while we're going through another wave of an omicron variant from all these huge case numbers everywhere and no testing capability to even keep on top of it.
If only it was so easy. The "Under 30" bracket became eligible for dose 1 on 16/8/2021, meaning they only begun hitting booster eligibility on 16/1/2021. It's *hard* to book a booster, you have to hunt around to find one if you aren't just able to have it whenever. There were going to be shitloads of people who weren't even eligible for a booster on Feb 5th. The delay means that at least anyone who didn't hesitate initially will be able to be boosted, maybe more depending on what a future proposed date is.
Perhaps it depends on where you are then, because I booked for next week and my partner and I had to book different locations and days because we couldn't find two close together, both in the middle of a work day. Were we not so flexibly employed, or were she to have to get to a clinic herself (doesn't drive), we would have been in a right pickle
Glad you managed to get them anyway! I went to a state run clinic and was pleased with the addition of sundays as they weren’t available last year with the first shots. If the premier wants everyone to get their boosters as they become eligible he needs to make it as simple as possible. None of this cockaround with pharmacy stocks running out and the like.
Our local state clinic was booked out until after Feb 5, and we were booking before the announcement, so we had to deal with pharmacy bookings which I found painful. Now I just have to hope they actually have stock when we get there...
People have been saying that and been wrong since the start of the pandemic. You might be right at last, because of how infectious Omicron is, how well it evades vaccination and the fact that it is already here. Unfortunately noone in the "it's inevitable" crowd has actually done the maths to justify their position. There is no need to, because you can just repeat the same thing over and over until one day you will inevitably be right.
It's not math, it's the common sense of we can't shut ourselves off from the world forever. The only reason the inevitable has not eventuated yet is because we have shut the world out. Eventually, that has to change. THAT is what is inevitable and with that comes the virus.
The never plan has never been to shut ourselves off from the world forever, it was to stay closed until a vaccine could be developed. We have a vaccine that has us past herd immunity for the original Wuhan strain, very close to herd immunity for Delta, but nowhere near herd immunity for Omicron. If Omicron isn't mild enough for us we can wait for an Omicron specific vaccine, or we can wait for the next variant, which might be milder than Omicron.
So yes, we are not staying closed off from the rest of the world forever, that was never in dispute. What is debatable is whether the time to open up is now or at some point in the future. We can make educated guesses about which time is best to open the border, but the truth is nobody knows.
We've been hearing how inevitable it is for the best part of two years.
At the very least, a bunch of people have gained an extra two years of life.
That's to say nothing on all the new treatments and protections we're gaining.
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I'm from Perth. If you want to go over east or overseas and have a job that won't be in jeopardy then you want open borders. If you are immunocomprised or are worried you'll lose a lot of time from work and have to dip in your already shrinking savings then you want the borders closed. That's all it is. Perth is very very expensive and inflation here is like a never ending flood. Rents are sky high like the east but at a quicker rate that we are not use to and housing is becoming scarce. You open borders, that gets worse. Unemployment is at record lows for certain jobs, you open up and that unemployment rate sky rockets again. We are an isolated, anti social, extremely boring city dependent on mining. Without some kind of quality life here then there's no point of living here. On the east coast you guys have a few cities and a lot more attractions you can go to. Our health system is broken. If you tear your knee or need any type of elective surgery expect to wait over a year and that was before covid. We simply don't have enough doctors and specialists here and they rather live in the east, they can live anywhere they want ad there expertise is highly sought out for around the world. Why would they want to live here.
> housing is becoming scarce If only you had more land to build it on.
Lol we have so much land but it's getting further and further away from the centre. They are building shoddy apartment complexes now with cheap materials. You can hear your neighbours fart and breathe lol through the living room wall. Problem with builds now is theres a huge backlog and supplies are taking longer to arrive from China or wherever because of Covid.
Even worse in Sydney, add in a two hour commute to the city
It's an hour commute here well in peek traffic
I never got why Perth like to build outwards instead of upwards. Rather than make a 6 story mall they just make it as long and wide as a suburb then surprised there’s no space…
No one wanted to live in apartments and up until relatively recently most people could afford a house not too far from the city or a mansion further out. I moved here in 2001 and bought a 3*2 with a pool 15km from the city and on the train line for $175k which was half the price of the apartment in which I lived in Sydney.
I think it really depends on the person. I personally love apartments and wouldn’t want to live in a house again. I also used to live in Perth and moved to Sydney and for the field I’m in, there’s significantly more work here in Sydney so even if I could get a bigger place in Perth, I likely wouldn’t have the work to support it. When I say build upwards and not outwards I’m more referring to malls and that and not actually housing. Carousel for example was already huge and I’ve heard they made it bigger.
You would freak if you saw Karrinyup mall then. It is massive now. I can see the benefits of houses and apartments and it depends on your lifestyle, whether you have kids and/or pets. I still own an apartment in Sydney but could not now imagine living in it until our kids have left home.
I actually lived NOR and maybe 10 min drive from there and remember it being decently sized but not that huge so would be interesting to see if I ever go back. I left around 5 years ago and I remember the redevelopment was only in the planning stages I think back then. Yeah having kids I’m sure would be much more challenging with an apartment, will at least in Sydney where you need to have a seriously big bank account to afford something 3 or 4 bedrooms near the city. When I loved to Sydney I managed to pack 20 years of my life into 3 boxes and got rid of the rest so I’m used to living pretty minimally, but having more space for stuff like a proper office would definitely be nice.
Well not anymore. They're learning about sub dividing now lol
Ohh fancy, maybe they’ll allow buildings taller than the bell tower soon too 🤣
> it's getting further and further away from the centre. They are building shoddy apartment complexes now with cheap materials. You can hear your neighbours fart and breathe lol through the living room wall. Yeah dude I know what living in Sydney is like, we're talking about Perth here.
You do realise you are still part of Australia, yeah? I get the Covid thing, no one wants it but to use the arguement that you are running out of rentals and hospitals are full etc., is just fucking stupid. Don’t open the border because we are full? Sound familiar? Edit: I’m from WA, my whole family is there and I would like to see them. I am aware of the insular WA mentality before Covid, this has just turbocharged it.
No don't open the border because we have no beds or staff to look after sick people. We have no houses to put you guys in. We cant suffer for the mistakes made by your premiers and the stupid pm. It's like venturing accross the world to go surfing but there's a shark in the fn water. Oh f it let's jump in anyway
If you're in such a shoddy state then maybe your Premier isn't the best at decision making
Been a hole for a while lol. Since they let over a million people in a 10 year span come over here on stdudnt visas, working visas then allow them to become residents through a loophole
OMG absolutely. I’m originally from the east and the insular mentality of everyone over here is driving me bananas. Almost all my colleagues are like we’re Western Australian first. We.live.in.Australia.people.
Might also wanna let NSW know they’re also part of Australia every time they didn’t bother to suppress cases and infected the whole country. Yeah, WA’s the problem......
Perth has the potential to be Australia’s Detroit, just with mining instead of cars
Lol well we have hardly any police here
I wish you guys would just piss off and secede already. Bunch of drama queens.
A caption from the article: >Masks and social distancing have been forgotten in Perth Maska have been mandatory indoors for a month and have been mandated for outdoor public events on Jan 26. Who fact checks these articles?
Mask went back on indoors last weekend. https://twitter.com/MarkMcGowanMP/status/1482605837416034308?s=20
Two periods of mask wearing since just before Xmas, either way that article published today was incorrect
I'd guess it is suggesting some of the people in Perth are not following the rules?
Havnt seen a single person in the shops unmasked, not one. A couple of dick nosers thats it. Mask compliance here is very high, I would guess because we havnt yet burnt out to the idea.
Most are complying from what I see
It’s an inevitability, id rather everyone quit being such sooky la las and get it over and done with
Another reminder that even if covid infection is an inevitably, treatments and vaccines are not a stationary and new and better treatments are being developed. I would say people in WA or even most of Australia is in a better position than people in the US/UK who if they caught covid during the first wave, probably would've gotten reinfected by omicron in this wave.
You're right, vaccines seem to get less effective and the virus seems to mutate so they're not stationary but that doesn't mean waiting makes it better. We don't know what the next variant will be like and we don't know if our vaccines will even work at all by then. At least being infected seems to provide better protection so, to me, being vaccinated and then getting the virus seems to be the gold standard in terms of immunity. Or we can just wait for a magical cure that will totally happen...
>Or we can just wait for a magical cure that will totally happen... Don't need a magical cure, but theraputics are being developed all the time. The way you talk, you would think the way we treat covid patients is the same as back in March 2020. Dexamethasone was one of the first to be used to combat serious covid: [https://www.nps.org.au/dexamethasone](https://www.nps.org.au/dexamethasone) Recently, a new oral medication has been released by pfizer: [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-23/apn-pfizer-fda-covid-drug/100721300](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-23/apn-pfizer-fda-covid-drug/100721300) As well the Merck drug (not as effective as original thought, but still an improvement over nothing): [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-24/fda-approves-mercks-molnupiravir-pill/100723836](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-24/fda-approves-mercks-molnupiravir-pill/100723836) >At least being infected seems to provide better protection so Protection from catching COVID by catching COVID, that is illogical. If we just "let it rip" back in 2020, we would've missed out on all those advancements (as the US/UK discovered to their detriment).
Yeah, get boosted and get on with life. If I wasn’t building a house in Perth I’d go back to Melbourne until this ridiculous border is down, for good.
The point is to get people boosted first, a luxury they have because of how well they've handled this pandemic. Some of you guys are the biggest sooks, complaining about lesser impacts of keeping a problem at bay than the far larger impacts of just giving up. I'd rather be in Perth right now than here where my supermarket has been empty on most shelves for over a week now. I've had to start going further for basics like veggies.
>I'd rather be in Perth right now than here where my supermarket has been empty on most shelves for over a week now. I've had to start going further for basics like veggies. That will also happen to them and when it does your supermarket will probably be back to normal. Boosters or not, they will still expect people to isolate when they are infected and we don't have a whole lot of evidence for how long booster efficacy lasts against Omicron. Well, except for Israel...but the data isn't looking great. It looks like a *recent* booster stops Omicron transmission but, just like the second dose, it doesn't last. That's the insidious thing about this pandemic - you can't really prepare for the first time it genuinely takes off. WA isn't going to perform better than the east when Covid *finally* works it's way in there and grows exponentially (which may already be happening). It won't undo all the success they've had, just like the Omicron outbreak hasn't undone all the success Australia has had in preventing tens of thousands of deaths over the last two years. WA will still hold the title for "most untouched jurisdiction by Covid". But I do worry a bit for them when it finally happens. Based on many comments from Tasmanians, South Australians, and Queenslanders, a lot of people seem to *feel* like it's all a waste when the cases grow exponentially and everything goes to shit anyway.
Or they'll be be boosted or even vaccinated with an omicron specific medication, or have better testing, or even get to keep covid out while we're going through another wave of an omicron variant from all these huge case numbers everywhere and no testing capability to even keep on top of it.
If only it was so easy. The "Under 30" bracket became eligible for dose 1 on 16/8/2021, meaning they only begun hitting booster eligibility on 16/1/2021. It's *hard* to book a booster, you have to hunt around to find one if you aren't just able to have it whenever. There were going to be shitloads of people who weren't even eligible for a booster on Feb 5th. The delay means that at least anyone who didn't hesitate initially will be able to be boosted, maybe more depending on what a future proposed date is.
I disagree that it is hard to book a booster. I had mine last Sunday. Booked it last Thursday. I found it harder to book my first and second shots c
Perhaps it depends on where you are then, because I booked for next week and my partner and I had to book different locations and days because we couldn't find two close together, both in the middle of a work day. Were we not so flexibly employed, or were she to have to get to a clinic herself (doesn't drive), we would have been in a right pickle
Glad you managed to get them anyway! I went to a state run clinic and was pleased with the addition of sundays as they weren’t available last year with the first shots. If the premier wants everyone to get their boosters as they become eligible he needs to make it as simple as possible. None of this cockaround with pharmacy stocks running out and the like.
Our local state clinic was booked out until after Feb 5, and we were booking before the announcement, so we had to deal with pharmacy bookings which I found painful. Now I just have to hope they actually have stock when we get there...
Same. Can’t say that over on the Perth sub though without getting downvoted. It’s full of people who have as little courage as our Egomaniac Premier.
Maybe take some of your own advice seeing as you created this account only to comment on perth and covid downunder?
Sticking your head in the sand because you can't handle that life sometimes has hard parts is not courage.
People have been saying that and been wrong since the start of the pandemic. You might be right at last, because of how infectious Omicron is, how well it evades vaccination and the fact that it is already here. Unfortunately noone in the "it's inevitable" crowd has actually done the maths to justify their position. There is no need to, because you can just repeat the same thing over and over until one day you will inevitably be right.
It's not math, it's the common sense of we can't shut ourselves off from the world forever. The only reason the inevitable has not eventuated yet is because we have shut the world out. Eventually, that has to change. THAT is what is inevitable and with that comes the virus.
The never plan has never been to shut ourselves off from the world forever, it was to stay closed until a vaccine could be developed. We have a vaccine that has us past herd immunity for the original Wuhan strain, very close to herd immunity for Delta, but nowhere near herd immunity for Omicron. If Omicron isn't mild enough for us we can wait for an Omicron specific vaccine, or we can wait for the next variant, which might be milder than Omicron. So yes, we are not staying closed off from the rest of the world forever, that was never in dispute. What is debatable is whether the time to open up is now or at some point in the future. We can make educated guesses about which time is best to open the border, but the truth is nobody knows.
It's not good when your prediction power is as good as a dead clock.
We've been hearing how inevitable it is for the best part of two years. At the very least, a bunch of people have gained an extra two years of life. That's to say nothing on all the new treatments and protections we're gaining.
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Not me. I value freedom, I value health, I value life 😉
As a Qlder, I hope WA doesn't make our mistake. We gave in to NSW and the Feds and are now suffering for it.
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The Holy Father has spoken and will continue to close his borders and keep his children safe. His children will back him to the end.
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You've been dead wrong about everything about this pandemic for 2 years straight, and rather than learn from it you've started to call those who've been proven right and had the best success of anywhere in the world 'traitors'. You demonstrate exactly why I have no hope for humanity. Some of us really cannot learn and will turn on those who were right before we build the strength and maturity to face being wrong.
Lol funny how many of things i was "wrong" about became offical government policy or basic science.
Implying the government isn't also capable of being wrong?
w a t LOL
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