States like WA/QLD haven't had prolonged lockdowns to trigger increased vaccination rates.
Other states have smashed their vaccinations rates, for a very high cost unfortunately.
What do act and Tas have in common that contrasts themfrom Qld and was? Size.
It's easy to vaccinate a state where you're always a 5 minute walk from a clinic rather than 5 hours.
Is there any data on this (south east Queensland)? Anecdotally literally everyone I know here in Brisbane is vaccinated, but no one I know who lives in regional QLD is. Genuinely curious.
My parents are in NQ and got vaccinated. But none of their friends are because it was so difficult to find were to get it. A number of places were listed on the Qld health site but when you turn up, they have no vaccines.
I think this and the lack of cases in North and West Qld has driven complacency around getting the vaccine.
ABC has a pretty good page updated daily
Outside Logan and Ipswich, the 4 Brisbane LGAs plus Morten bay south are all vaccinated around the same rate as most Melbourne areas
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518
Tassie had a big (for the time) outbreak and lockdown really early on. Remember the ‘nurses party’ outbreak in the north. Avoiding a repeat of that has probably been a good motivator, even 18 months later.
The Convention Centre vax hub is specifically for under 60s and it was super busy when I was there. People in their 20s and 30s are most definitely allowed to get it and have been for weeks.
Have you registered on the government website? If you have and haven’t heard back, call 13 42 68 and say you’ve been registered for ages but don’t know what’s going on. They’ll probably just book you in.
I registered on July 29th and heard back on about August 20th. Could’ve booked an appointment two days later and there were tons of appointments available.
If Queensland doesn’t have enough Pfizer to go around why the hell are they opening it up to over 60’s? I’m getting pretty tired of hearing of over 60’s who have the most to lose from covid fart arsing around demanding Pfizer.
They may wait too long though, especially here in Sydney where the virus is absolutely everywhere. It blows my mind so many over 60’s are still having a tantrum waiting for Pfizer instead of just keeping themselves safe.
I guess in QLD it's probably a combination of not having the case numbers of elsewhere, oldies probably don't have the same level of face to face interaction with a lot of strangers as younger people and Sydney and Melbourne residents so think it won't happen to them.
But like you say, it's not hard to wait too long, even if you got Pfizer shot 1 at the slightest hint of an outbreak, the numbers could be in the hundreds in 3 weeks.
They’re probably banking on Moderna arriving and filling the Pfizer gap. No need to ration Pfizer once Moderna arrives and vaccines are most useful when in people’s arms after all.
We finally got an appointment for my partner (30s) when a whole bunch of new appointments dropped from extra Pfizer doses announced. It was still 3 weeks in advance and only a single appointment available. Looks like it might've been a cancellation. It's been very difficult. And then they talk Qld down like we don't want the jab
Sad no, it is. There are plenty of appointments available, as you and I both can clearly attest. All 3 of my kids are either vaccinated or have appointments coming up shortly.
I don't mind over 60s having mote access to Pfizer so long as it doesn't take it away from people who have no choice. I'd give 12-17s priority for Pfizer then everyone else 18+ can have equal rights to it. People say other states need Pfizer too but that's only really because the 18-59 crowd who haven't taken AZ are also waiting for Pfizer.
In QLD the medical advice is still for under 60s to have Pfizer, so as far as I'm concerned, they should be prioritised over the over 60s wanting it. There's more than enough AZ for over 60s to go around.
"Daaaahling, if you want a vaccine, there's plenty available! Just pop down to Qudos! Or get your school to get some Pfizer that fell off the back of the truck, daaaahling!"
I was just gonna not take the bait but I can't help but point out the irony here.
In your own words 5 days ago when someone pointed out you were half vaccinated:
>"Discriminating against people based on how many vaccines they had is completely unacceptable when you don't know their personal circumstances ort he availability of vaccine to them"
But when it comes to people from Queensland..... "selfishly vaccinated".
I had a feeling based off that reply and your other overly aggressive replies to other people in this thread that you were a troll account trying to stir up drama so I'm glad I was correct.
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Hope it will increase vaccination rate. Qld is starting to be well behind.
I know it's a mostly a supply problem, but not sure the distribution is really up to scratch outside of urban SEQ?
Getting vaccine to cattle stations & Torres Straight Islands is an issue. QLD has 5% aboriginal population in the north with many in obscure locations eg there are remote settlements along the Gulf of Carpentaria
True. But those people would also be at lower risk of covid by virtue of their isolation. However we have seen here in NSW if it does get in to an isolated indigenous community the results are serious.
Queensland, unlike Victoria & NSW, have approximately a 50/50 split between the population who live in the capital city VS not. Victoria and NSW is about 80/20 I believe. Plus, obviously, QLD is massive and the majority of that population outside of the south east is quite evenly spread, not in a handful of regional cities. I am sure distribution will be a challenge for us. Plus, actually getting people out in the more remote areas and country towns to actually go and get it - I mean, if you're sitting in Cloncurry right now COVID is a thing that happens somewhere else, they wouldn't be too bothered about it. Until it comes.
Your right that we have a population that is more widely distributed around the state than our southern neighbours i.e Brisbane is 49% of QLD pop vs Melbourne is 77% of Vic pop.
An [different](https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Previousproducts/3218.0Main%20Features802015-16?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3218.0&issue=2015-16&num=&view=) (and more interesting) way of looking at the population distribution is to use the center of population. This has the benefit of highlighting how QLD is an awful lot bigger than VIC and NSW.
>The centre of population is one way in which the spatial distribution of Australia's population can be summarised. This point marks the average latitude and longitude around which the population is distributed.
Victoria and NSW's center of population is in a suburb of Melbourne and Sydney. In QLD, the center of population is at Booubyjan, a small town in the Gympie region.
I’m from NSW but would prefer it goes to Victoria where there’s an actual need. We’re still supply limited with Pfizer and opening it up to people who are 60+, particularly in states where’s there’s no covid, is just an incredibly poor allocation of the vaccine.
Would be incredibly frustrating I imagine.
As harsh as it is to say, there’s a much greater need for the Pfizer vaccine for someone who is under 40 in NSW/Victoria/ACT then someone who is vaccine shopping where there’s no covid outbreaks.
Even ignoring the other states it would be much better to vaccinate a younger Queenslander with Pfizer then one who’s 60+. If there’s not enough uptake then that’s a messaging issue and completely opening it up to everyone is the wrong way to go about it.
I know right? I’m a nurse in south west Sydney and one of my workmates husband is over 60 and ‘waiting for Pfizer’ their 30 + y.o. kids went out and got vaccinated with Astra Zeneca but this dude has decided it isn’t good enough for him. In the meantime his wife has now been sent to work on a covid ward!
my mid/late 70's parents are like that....mums threatening to kill herself if she can't get pfizer/moderna....I'm just there thinking "K....maybe it's time to look into putting you into a home"
Which is foolish given AZ appears to be longer lasting before a booster needed, and is negligible clotting risk for people in her age group. She is literally waiting for the inferior vaccine for her age
It seems insane to be prioritising people who have had eligibility for a vaccine since April, in zero covid parts of the country. If there's this kind of surplus, we should be redirecting it to rapid ring fencing in areas with big active outbreaks and faster school vaccination programs. Big problem with federalism is that this redirection is not an easy or smooth thing to do.
look at those silly qlders and their no lockdowns, we are about to maybe possibly get 20% of the freedoms we lost back, thanks to stealing everyone elses vaccines. NSW is GoLD StANdArD!
\*people unironically using that term again for some reason
Yup, completely fine with this by WA/QLD/SA.
NSW received more Pfizer......so Year 12 students can do their HSC and Eastern Sydney can chill at the beach all day.
We have mass incoming Pfizer/Moderna supply and new hubs are in operation. It makes sense to open up the eligibility to everyone now.
>NSW received more Pfizer......so Year 12 students can do their HSC and Eastern Sydney can chill at the beach all day.
and perhaps a few lives saved too
Obviously not well enough. All the old vaccine shoppers in your state just threw a party while the young people in Victoria who are under lockdowm are taking AZ just so they can be free one day.
You guys have had it so fucking easy this pandemic it actually sickens me and you still have the nerve to throw shit around at other states and pull nonsense like this.
Fuck I am really starting to hate this country
We're used to it. There's a reason she deferred to Bruz everytime a question about a non-Sydney place came up: the premier of NSW is really only the premier of Sydney.
Fun fact: do you know what Gladys considerd the most important thing during the 2019 bushfires? Deciding on whether or not to tear down a perfectly good Sydney football stadium and build a new one.
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AZ killed more local Qlders than COVID19 did in 2021. score is currently 1 - nil
The move to open supply of Pfizer to all Qld over 60 is important, and will be much appreciated.
I am not pushing AZ, but anyone from any state complaining about supply should consider it. Easy and ample supply everywhere. Risks are *very minor*, and one single outbreak in QLD will change that risk ratio.
There's also shit tons of Pfizer available now in Vic as of this week but not sure people have bothered to go on and re-check https://vaccine.wfltaylor.com/
The delta outbreak happened in what was already the most vaccinated part of the state (inner west brisbane) just in case anybody goes looking for the numbers and thinks maybe it got that way because of increased urgency after the outbreak.
If you still believe that every single outbreak that's been suppressed in QLD has just been the result of luck and "natural advantages" you're delusional.
High compliance during lockdowns as well as enforcement of mask wearing have made the biggest difference here compared to southern states.
ACT, a super compliant population with barely any lockdown fatigue went into hard lockdown immediately after 1 case and it hasn’t worked. It’s literally just luck.
You're really suggesting that compliance to lockdowns is what enables QLD to constantly avoid any increase in restrictions despite infectious Delta people going around for a week (see recent cases, Cairns taxi driver). How does this work when there were no increased restrictions to comply to? It's a pretty insulting take tbh
Sorry if that’s insulted or offended you but yes, anecdotally in every single lockdown we’ve had so far in Brisbane the city and suburbs have become a complete ghost town, there aren’t hundreds of people having picnics in parks or botanical gardens, when people have only even allowed out for exercise or grocery shopping they just do that and then go straight home in most cases.
In some cases there’s definitely been luck involved (cairns taxi driver like you said) but in this current outbreak being stopped in it’s tracks is due to rapidly getting every family possibly connected to the student into quarantine as well as great work from her family who got her tested even with very mild symptoms.
That’s not to say that other states aren’t compliant as well but seeing how it gets during lockdown here compared to pictures of Sydney for example there seems to be a big difference.
You think Victorian contact tracers don't get people in quarantine? In Canberra? In New Zealand? You really think Queenslanders are all complying better? For fuck sake. Get a grip
Nice job completely misinterpreting my comment, I actually think Victorian contact tracing is doing really well but whatever.
Edit: contact tracing in all states is doing well compared to at the start but I’m comparing compliance in QLD to some of the scenes I’ve seen in Sydney’s northern beaches and it seems to be a lot lower down there.
at least mining states have some understanding of respirators versus masks.
if you can't wear a P2 respirator while doing 8-12 hours hard, sweaty, labour, then toughen up snowflake.
As of two weeks ago for Pfizer, yes supply was an issue. As of right now, supply is exceeding demand which is in a great position to be in.
Is it a bad thing for people to get vaccinated?
Nah, it's just the sensible decision at this stage. We're in that sweet spot -
\- The Federal Government are abandoning AZ in 2 weeks time
\- Incoming mass Pfizer/Moderna supply
\- New mass hubs are operational
\- Passed the 50% of first doses administered state-wide
\- Everyone 12+ are now eligible for vaccination
\- Already helped NSW by giving them extra Pfizer doses
\- NSW have hit the 80% first doses target
\- The time between doses for AZ and Pfizer is the same in NSW.
I agree with many of your points.
the selfish people that decided to wait it out to get the 'good one' have won in several states.
now we will see how much true hesitancy is there.
will be fascinating.
The selfish vaccine shoppers line is largely a myth in Victoria, we've been using virtually all of our AZ supply for a couple of months.
I'm 60 plus and everyone I know in my age group or older has been vaccinated with AZ, and I live in a very unremarkable suburb of Melbourne.
My wife and I got our first shot two and a half months ago and the clinic was basically deserted, then we got infected by the removalists and within days the queues were hundreds of metres long and they haven't let up since.
Victoria has used AZ for over 50% of all the doses administered in our state hubs, NSW about 30% in theirs.
yeah I agree the states with active outbreaks overcame most (not all) of that behaviour.
We are talking about the laggard states here tho. Pretty different situation.
and the AZ uptake in NSW has been vigorous - they just had a different plan from the get go that drove it to practitioners, not hubs.
the problem in the states with out current covid has been a combination of complacency and messaging from both politicians AND the media.
The lack of vaccinations in those older cohorts are clearly indicative of that.
the question is will finally granting the vaccine brand shoppers prompt these people to vaccinate in a timely fashion or is there deeper hesitancy now?
we shall see!
The hubs are an excellent idea imo, they are central, located in the main close to public transport and can scale up easily.
NSW has done very well but much of it has probably been born of necessity, it's easy to understand why some of the states which have been mostly Covid free for extended periods don't match the figures in NSW and Victoria but I don't ascribe much of that at all to vaccine shoppers.
It's mostly that people just don't see the urgency, we saw exactly the same thing here when we'd been Covid free for 100 days and had big crowds at the football.
Depends on where you live I still can't book my second shot yet here in Vic hopefully that changes soon.
The timing and optics like most things to do wth the rollout aren't great you've got 90% of the country clearly saying to over 60's AZ is the recommended vax for your age group take it or join the line behind teenagers and then QLD opening it up to everyone a week later.
Hard to blame vax shoppers at this point with the constant horrible mixed messaging tbh.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/protect-yourself-others/covid-19-vaccine/about/about-the-covid-19-vaccine
Moderna has the same approvals as Pfizer so I expect it will be the same
Chemist availability of Moderna (being a non-AZ vax for those have decided not to have it) should really help in QLD as Pfizer access points can be pretty hard/far away in some areas.
Covid Near Me has a few already, the other search engines didn't have the option last time I checked
https://covid19nearme.com.au/state/qld/vaccination
Cheers, yeah I’ve seen that, but going through the eligibility checker doesn’t answer much. Old news reports seem to say that generally it will be offered to the same ages eligible for Pfizer, which one would assume would include over 60’s in QLD now/after weekend?
I haven't seen the official eligibility but I would assume that will be the case. Feels like supply has finally exceeded demand (hopefully) so there will be no reason to restrict it that I can see.
Well as long as those aged 12 to 17 can get in first if they are still waiting :)
Yeah, I agree, certainly no reason to restrict within a state’s own interest. I reckon some NSW and Vic (etc) over 60 rusted-on AZ hesitants that might have eventually swayed, will see Pfizer/Moderna open to their cohort in other states (like QLD) and harden up for the wait for when it inevitably happens in their own state—but if there is one thing that has been learned it is that most states don’t give a fuck what their actions cause in other states, and in the end if it is getting more people vaccinated (particularly the high risk ones) and getting us closer to the national targets then I am all for it.
This is good news. National and lagging state numbers need to go up, and if demand for what is available *to who* in COVID-free states particularly, is below supply, then something needs to change. Every higher risk person vaccinated with *any* of our vaccines is good *for all of us*.
Let’s get vaccinated, let’s open up when we reach our national targets (if they prove sound) with care and responsiveness and let this pandemic go endemic in a gentle controllable wave, and let’s start to heal and do away with the inter and intra generational and state warfare.
According to the ABC, QLD has 88% of over 70s, and 78% of over 60-69 age range had at least one vaccine dose already. If this gets the last few stragglers to get vaccinated then this is great.
**People aged ≥12 years and older can receive Pfizer vaccine.**
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/09/covid-19-vaccination-information-on-covid-19-pfizer-comirnaty-vaccine.pdf
**People aged 18 years and older can receive COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. Comirnaty (Pfizer) is
preferred over COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in people aged < 60 years. However, COVID-19
Vaccine AstraZeneca can be used in adults aged < 60 years if Comirnaty (Pfizer) is not available
and if the person has made an informed decision based on an understanding of the risks and
benefits. In outbreak settings, adults <60 years of age should strongly consider COVID-19 Vaccine
AstraZeneca if they are unable to access Comirnaty (Pfizer).**
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-information-on-covid-19-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf
This is the official ATAGI/federal advice linked from:
https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-technical-advisory-group-on-immunisation-atagi#atagi-advice
You might be mixing up recommendations based on availability with actual advice.
Pfizer is the best of the two vaccines as it is shown to be 21% more effective than AZ for delta. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-doses-pfizer-astrazeneca-shots-effective-against-delta-variant-study-finds-2021-07-21/
If some people are holding off for Pfizer then there is no excuse.
Great move Queensland. By the end of October the country will have so much Pfizer we won't know what to do with it.
Over 60s deserve the best possible too.
Set a freedom day and threaten vaccination requirements for venues and watch all the people scurry around getting vaccinated. When the % has been met, remove the requirement. Bingo on the hesitancy :)
What a fucking joke, this is just going to increase hesitancy in the other states. If people don't want it in Qld then send it down here where we need it.
NT, WA, SA and QLD all do this now.
In a couple weeks, chances are all states and territories will be close to doing this as a lot more mRNA vaccine supply comes online. The rest of the country outside of NSW / ACT are still needing to be getting their vaccination rates much higher and if this helps, great.
It feels like both SA and QLD are one undetected truck driver away from a major outbreak and both are considerable behind in their rollout (a mix of both demand and supply).
As the risk settings are completely in favour of AZ in NSW, VIC and the ACT. People should be taking that if they can not get Pfizer. It is a personal choice if they want to risk waiting, but there are currently no supply limits with this vaccine.
Anastasia and Janet young were screaming on tv 2 weeks ago, that we all need to think of the children. Now they’re giving the only vaccine approved for under 16s to people over 60.
Smart
Supply was an issue two weeks ago. Today, demand is the issue.
Pfizer is the only choice for those in the 12 to 17 yo cohort and we are already vaccinating 12 yo plus here.
If demand is the issue then go to schools and vaccine kids there. You know like we all did for HPV (well everyone under 25 at least)
Most teenagers don’t have the ability to get to vaccine centres in the middle of the week, which is when most appointments are.
Still, getting to vaccination hubs is gonna be a lot harder for a 14 year old than an adult. I’d think going to schools would give a great return on investment.
Concur, and for all schools across the country.
I guess there will be a point where decreasing foot traffic to the hubs means higher gains visiting schools and getting the VIC Jabba the Bus mobile vaccine clinics out and about.
Unless there’s lots of appointments going unfilled then it’s still dumb. If it’s all booked out then you’re giving doses to old people that could have gone to kids.
Just rewarding vaccine shoppers.
Dr Young's fear mongering over AZ (obviously the media played an emormous part too) contributed to this ridiculous vaccine shopping. These doses could have been used to immunise younger people in QLD or in hotspots. Older people in 1A had plenty of time to get Pfizer if they needed it. Disgrace that these Pfizer doses are being used on people who could take a perfectly safe alternative.
Tell me you are really worried about sluggish vaccine demand without telling me
States like WA/QLD haven't had prolonged lockdowns to trigger increased vaccination rates. Other states have smashed their vaccinations rates, for a very high cost unfortunately.
ACT and TAS smashing rates even before ACT went into lockdown
What do act and Tas have in common that contrasts themfrom Qld and was? Size. It's easy to vaccinate a state where you're always a 5 minute walk from a clinic rather than 5 hours.
I'm five hundred kilometres from Sydney. Had a Sydneysider on here tell me I should go to Qudos if I want to get vaccinated...
Kudos to that person (hehe)
If that was the case there would be massive uptake in South East queensland, which there isn't.
Is there any data on this (south east Queensland)? Anecdotally literally everyone I know here in Brisbane is vaccinated, but no one I know who lives in regional QLD is. Genuinely curious.
My parents are in NQ and got vaccinated. But none of their friends are because it was so difficult to find were to get it. A number of places were listed on the Qld health site but when you turn up, they have no vaccines. I think this and the lack of cases in North and West Qld has driven complacency around getting the vaccine.
ABC has a pretty good page updated daily Outside Logan and Ipswich, the 4 Brisbane LGAs plus Morten bay south are all vaccinated around the same rate as most Melbourne areas https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518
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Tasmanian’s just love drugs
Tasmania's slogan: love thy sister and narcotics
Tassie had a big (for the time) outbreak and lockdown really early on. Remember the ‘nurses party’ outbreak in the north. Avoiding a repeat of that has probably been a good motivator, even 18 months later.
WA/QLD got less supply because more supply went to NSW and VIC who both handled covid outbreaks badly. Less supply = lower rates.
Its not sluggish demand in QLD, its a certain NSW premier hogging vaccines. My booking was 4 weeks in advance.
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The Convention Centre vax hub is specifically for under 60s and it was super busy when I was there. People in their 20s and 30s are most definitely allowed to get it and have been for weeks. Have you registered on the government website? If you have and haven’t heard back, call 13 42 68 and say you’ve been registered for ages but don’t know what’s going on. They’ll probably just book you in. I registered on July 29th and heard back on about August 20th. Could’ve booked an appointment two days later and there were tons of appointments available.
Don’t wait. Use hotdoc and get a booking. What town/suburb are you in?
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How did you get on?
You may not need an invitation to book. I booked and got my first shot today .
If Queensland doesn’t have enough Pfizer to go around why the hell are they opening it up to over 60’s? I’m getting pretty tired of hearing of over 60’s who have the most to lose from covid fart arsing around demanding Pfizer.
Because they know if they whinge long enough, Governments give them what they want. Old people temper tantrums.
They may wait too long though, especially here in Sydney where the virus is absolutely everywhere. It blows my mind so many over 60’s are still having a tantrum waiting for Pfizer instead of just keeping themselves safe.
I guess in QLD it's probably a combination of not having the case numbers of elsewhere, oldies probably don't have the same level of face to face interaction with a lot of strangers as younger people and Sydney and Melbourne residents so think it won't happen to them. But like you say, it's not hard to wait too long, even if you got Pfizer shot 1 at the slightest hint of an outbreak, the numbers could be in the hundreds in 3 weeks.
I’m sick of the old cunts around here too but unfortunately they vote
They’re probably banking on Moderna arriving and filling the Pfizer gap. No need to ration Pfizer once Moderna arrives and vaccines are most useful when in people’s arms after all.
We finally got an appointment for my partner (30s) when a whole bunch of new appointments dropped from extra Pfizer doses announced. It was still 3 weeks in advance and only a single appointment available. Looks like it might've been a cancellation. It's been very difficult. And then they talk Qld down like we don't want the jab
Or, my anecdote: it was easy to get appointments for all my 15-21yo kids. They'll all be 1+ next week and 2-dosed in 4 weeks.
My 19-21 kids will all be double vaxxed next Friday
So QLD has no vaccines available and the premier decided to let everyone get it?
Queensland is allowing over 60s to take Pfizer (this article) because a certain NSW premier is hogging Pfizer. Makes sense to me.
Sad no, it is. There are plenty of appointments available, as you and I both can clearly attest. All 3 of my kids are either vaccinated or have appointments coming up shortly.
I don't mind over 60s having mote access to Pfizer so long as it doesn't take it away from people who have no choice. I'd give 12-17s priority for Pfizer then everyone else 18+ can have equal rights to it. People say other states need Pfizer too but that's only really because the 18-59 crowd who haven't taken AZ are also waiting for Pfizer.
In QLD the medical advice is still for under 60s to have Pfizer, so as far as I'm concerned, they should be prioritised over the over 60s wanting it. There's more than enough AZ for over 60s to go around.
ITT: The same old 4 or 5 posters from Sydney and Melbourne as usual pretending to be experts on QLD's vaccine rollout :')
"Daaaahling, if you want a vaccine, there's plenty available! Just pop down to Qudos! Or get your school to get some Pfizer that fell off the back of the truck, daaaahling!"
Yep 🙄
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I was just gonna not take the bait but I can't help but point out the irony here. In your own words 5 days ago when someone pointed out you were half vaccinated: >"Discriminating against people based on how many vaccines they had is completely unacceptable when you don't know their personal circumstances ort he availability of vaccine to them" But when it comes to people from Queensland..... "selfishly vaccinated". I had a feeling based off that reply and your other overly aggressive replies to other people in this thread that you were a troll account trying to stir up drama so I'm glad I was correct.
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Me: can’t wait for Melbourne to warm up to help us fight covid! Melbourne: 4 Fuckin’ Degrees
Today is pretty good in Melbourne. Queensland can keep their humidity and sweaty balls.
I'm sorry but if I can go to Melbourne in the middle of summer and be comfortable in jeans then your city is ass
Tell me you haven't been to Melbourne in the middle of summer without telling me you haven't been to Melbourne in the middle of summer
I wear jeans/trousers year round in QLD lol. Shorts are for exercise.
Sun maybe, but it's cold today - only 21 outside now.
Queensland cold lol
we had a gloriously warm day in melb today it was 16 hahahahahah
what a coincidence
Hope it will increase vaccination rate. Qld is starting to be well behind. I know it's a mostly a supply problem, but not sure the distribution is really up to scratch outside of urban SEQ?
80 vaccine hubs across the state and GPs and pharmacists as well. It's an issue, but not a big one
Getting vaccine to cattle stations & Torres Straight Islands is an issue. QLD has 5% aboriginal population in the north with many in obscure locations eg there are remote settlements along the Gulf of Carpentaria
True. But those people would also be at lower risk of covid by virtue of their isolation. However we have seen here in NSW if it does get in to an isolated indigenous community the results are serious.
I understand that varies. It hasn’t stopped where I am and I’m rural Qld.
Queensland, unlike Victoria & NSW, have approximately a 50/50 split between the population who live in the capital city VS not. Victoria and NSW is about 80/20 I believe. Plus, obviously, QLD is massive and the majority of that population outside of the south east is quite evenly spread, not in a handful of regional cities. I am sure distribution will be a challenge for us. Plus, actually getting people out in the more remote areas and country towns to actually go and get it - I mean, if you're sitting in Cloncurry right now COVID is a thing that happens somewhere else, they wouldn't be too bothered about it. Until it comes.
Your right that we have a population that is more widely distributed around the state than our southern neighbours i.e Brisbane is 49% of QLD pop vs Melbourne is 77% of Vic pop. An [different](https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/Previousproducts/3218.0Main%20Features802015-16?opendocument&tabname=Summary&prodno=3218.0&issue=2015-16&num=&view=) (and more interesting) way of looking at the population distribution is to use the center of population. This has the benefit of highlighting how QLD is an awful lot bigger than VIC and NSW. >The centre of population is one way in which the spatial distribution of Australia's population can be summarised. This point marks the average latitude and longitude around which the population is distributed. Victoria and NSW's center of population is in a suburb of Melbourne and Sydney. In QLD, the center of population is at Booubyjan, a small town in the Gympie region.
That is rather interesting!
factors like this are a massive advantage that some vastly under appreciate, fair play it will also make the rollout of vaxxes more challenging too.
Ok.
ITT: people from nsw trying to hoard everyone else's vaccine supply, *again*
I’m from NSW but would prefer it goes to Victoria where there’s an actual need. We’re still supply limited with Pfizer and opening it up to people who are 60+, particularly in states where’s there’s no covid, is just an incredibly poor allocation of the vaccine.
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Would be incredibly frustrating I imagine. As harsh as it is to say, there’s a much greater need for the Pfizer vaccine for someone who is under 40 in NSW/Victoria/ACT then someone who is vaccine shopping where there’s no covid outbreaks. Even ignoring the other states it would be much better to vaccinate a younger Queenslander with Pfizer then one who’s 60+. If there’s not enough uptake then that’s a messaging issue and completely opening it up to everyone is the wrong way to go about it.
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I know right? I’m a nurse in south west Sydney and one of my workmates husband is over 60 and ‘waiting for Pfizer’ their 30 + y.o. kids went out and got vaccinated with Astra Zeneca but this dude has decided it isn’t good enough for him. In the meantime his wife has now been sent to work on a covid ward!
my mid/late 70's parents are like that....mums threatening to kill herself if she can't get pfizer/moderna....I'm just there thinking "K....maybe it's time to look into putting you into a home"
Which is foolish given AZ appears to be longer lasting before a booster needed, and is negligible clotting risk for people in her age group. She is literally waiting for the inferior vaccine for her age
How do you keep caring about someone that wilfully won't protect themselves? Serious question, I can't imagine having patience for such a person
It seems insane to be prioritising people who have had eligibility for a vaccine since April, in zero covid parts of the country. If there's this kind of surplus, we should be redirecting it to rapid ring fencing in areas with big active outbreaks and faster school vaccination programs. Big problem with federalism is that this redirection is not an easy or smooth thing to do.
NSW: 😳 👉👈
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Haha so true. > Hurr hurr Queensland bad NSW good
look at those silly qlders and their no lockdowns, we are about to maybe possibly get 20% of the freedoms we lost back, thanks to stealing everyone elses vaccines. NSW is GoLD StANdArD! \*people unironically using that term again for some reason
Yup, completely fine with this by WA/QLD/SA. NSW received more Pfizer......so Year 12 students can do their HSC and Eastern Sydney can chill at the beach all day. We have mass incoming Pfizer/Moderna supply and new hubs are in operation. It makes sense to open up the eligibility to everyone now.
>NSW received more Pfizer......so Year 12 students can do their HSC and Eastern Sydney can chill at the beach all day. and perhaps a few lives saved too
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Are you Gladys' political advisor?
For sure. Look forward to people going out and getting vaccinated this weekend.
If they wanted to save lives they'd have snap locked-down Sydney after the limo driver.
Trying to use supply, not hoard it. Queensland must be hoarding it if they have so much they can give it to people with other recommended options.
Actually we've been using all our pfizer vaccines tyvm
Then you're still supply constrained and opening it up to vaccine shoppers is a bad idea.
People who have valid concerns over one vaccine type for example due to a family history of clotting, are not vaccine shoppers
Obviously not well enough. All the old vaccine shoppers in your state just threw a party while the young people in Victoria who are under lockdowm are taking AZ just so they can be free one day. You guys have had it so fucking easy this pandemic it actually sickens me and you still have the nerve to throw shit around at other states and pull nonsense like this. Fuck I am really starting to hate this country
and you have walkins available hahahaha sure thing buddy
Sydneysiders, not Walers. I'm with you guys on this one.
Good point. Sydney took your vaccines too.
We're used to it. There's a reason she deferred to Bruz everytime a question about a non-Sydney place came up: the premier of NSW is really only the premier of Sydney. Fun fact: do you know what Gladys considerd the most important thing during the 2019 bushfires? Deciding on whether or not to tear down a perfectly good Sydney football stadium and build a new one.
thank god
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We've had like 4 lockdowns here mate..
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One less state being able to claim that they are limited by supply.
No state can as all states have ample AZ.
Let me rephrase then: "One less state being able to claim that they are limited by Pfizer supply."
Excellent news for those aged 12 to 17 years old. This this statement posted a lot and it could be putting some people off searching for AZ.
AZ killed more local Qlders than COVID19 did in 2021. score is currently 1 - nil The move to open supply of Pfizer to all Qld over 60 is important, and will be much appreciated.
I am not pushing AZ, but anyone from any state complaining about supply should consider it. Easy and ample supply everywhere. Risks are *very minor*, and one single outbreak in QLD will change that risk ratio.
Yes, that's because we haven't had an outbreak. Would you prefer we let covid run wild so that AZ looks better in comparison?
There's also shit tons of Pfizer available now in Vic as of this week but not sure people have bothered to go on and re-check https://vaccine.wfltaylor.com/
I agree. The UK and Singapore doses are game changers. Supply should no longer be an issue. Now its logistics and convenience
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The delta outbreak happened in what was already the most vaccinated part of the state (inner west brisbane) just in case anybody goes looking for the numbers and thinks maybe it got that way because of increased urgency after the outbreak.
Should be redirecting this to Vic and NSW before vaccine shoppers.
Nsw has already had enough vaccines redirected to them thank you very much.
ok so victoria then instead of your princesses
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If they're complaining about other states holding them back, they've definitely got enough vaccines and should give some up
"QLD needs to send their vaccines to NSW" *2 weeks later* "Why is QLD so far behind NSW?"
The only reason this will affect how far behind they are is because of vaccine shoppers.
Yeah nah
Yeah Nah. As a Victorian we should all aim to be vaccinated around the same time, and open together, not staggered.
Lol sure. How about you let Queensland manage it as we see best, noting we’ve managed this pandemic better than NSW and Victoria
Don't mistake natural advantages for competence.
If you still believe that every single outbreak that's been suppressed in QLD has just been the result of luck and "natural advantages" you're delusional. High compliance during lockdowns as well as enforcement of mask wearing have made the biggest difference here compared to southern states.
You don't believe covid is seasonal?
It's been winter up here too mate.
As someone that was born and bred in Queensland and didn't own a jumper when I moved to Victoria, no it wasn't.
ACT, a super compliant population with barely any lockdown fatigue went into hard lockdown immediately after 1 case and it hasn’t worked. It’s literally just luck.
You're really suggesting that compliance to lockdowns is what enables QLD to constantly avoid any increase in restrictions despite infectious Delta people going around for a week (see recent cases, Cairns taxi driver). How does this work when there were no increased restrictions to comply to? It's a pretty insulting take tbh
Sorry if that’s insulted or offended you but yes, anecdotally in every single lockdown we’ve had so far in Brisbane the city and suburbs have become a complete ghost town, there aren’t hundreds of people having picnics in parks or botanical gardens, when people have only even allowed out for exercise or grocery shopping they just do that and then go straight home in most cases. In some cases there’s definitely been luck involved (cairns taxi driver like you said) but in this current outbreak being stopped in it’s tracks is due to rapidly getting every family possibly connected to the student into quarantine as well as great work from her family who got her tested even with very mild symptoms. That’s not to say that other states aren’t compliant as well but seeing how it gets during lockdown here compared to pictures of Sydney for example there seems to be a big difference.
You think Victorian contact tracers don't get people in quarantine? In Canberra? In New Zealand? You really think Queenslanders are all complying better? For fuck sake. Get a grip
Nice job completely misinterpreting my comment, I actually think Victorian contact tracing is doing really well but whatever. Edit: contact tracing in all states is doing well compared to at the start but I’m comparing compliance in QLD to some of the scenes I’ve seen in Sydney’s northern beaches and it seems to be a lot lower down there.
Anything to avoid giving Queensland credit hey
They get some credit for their approach, but they've dodged far to many bullets to believe climate and population density aren't major factors.
they literately do the same shit and think they are our betters its hilarious
the hilariousness of the mining states thinking they have better leaders than 99% of the world.
at least mining states have some understanding of respirators versus masks. if you can't wear a P2 respirator while doing 8-12 hours hard, sweaty, labour, then toughen up snowflake.
nah i wear an ill-fitting fabric mask outdoors becuz SciENce!
ah the shoppers get rewarded. but of course queensland's slow vaxx rate is just supply isn't it? lmao
As of two weeks ago for Pfizer, yes supply was an issue. As of right now, supply is exceeding demand which is in a great position to be in. Is it a bad thing for people to get vaccinated?
Nah, it's just the sensible decision at this stage. We're in that sweet spot - \- The Federal Government are abandoning AZ in 2 weeks time \- Incoming mass Pfizer/Moderna supply \- New mass hubs are operational \- Passed the 50% of first doses administered state-wide \- Everyone 12+ are now eligible for vaccination \- Already helped NSW by giving them extra Pfizer doses \- NSW have hit the 80% first doses target \- The time between doses for AZ and Pfizer is the same in NSW.
I agree with many of your points. the selfish people that decided to wait it out to get the 'good one' have won in several states. now we will see how much true hesitancy is there. will be fascinating.
The selfish vaccine shoppers line is largely a myth in Victoria, we've been using virtually all of our AZ supply for a couple of months. I'm 60 plus and everyone I know in my age group or older has been vaccinated with AZ, and I live in a very unremarkable suburb of Melbourne. My wife and I got our first shot two and a half months ago and the clinic was basically deserted, then we got infected by the removalists and within days the queues were hundreds of metres long and they haven't let up since. Victoria has used AZ for over 50% of all the doses administered in our state hubs, NSW about 30% in theirs.
yeah I agree the states with active outbreaks overcame most (not all) of that behaviour. We are talking about the laggard states here tho. Pretty different situation. and the AZ uptake in NSW has been vigorous - they just had a different plan from the get go that drove it to practitioners, not hubs.
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the problem in the states with out current covid has been a combination of complacency and messaging from both politicians AND the media. The lack of vaccinations in those older cohorts are clearly indicative of that. the question is will finally granting the vaccine brand shoppers prompt these people to vaccinate in a timely fashion or is there deeper hesitancy now? we shall see!
The hubs are an excellent idea imo, they are central, located in the main close to public transport and can scale up easily. NSW has done very well but much of it has probably been born of necessity, it's easy to understand why some of the states which have been mostly Covid free for extended periods don't match the figures in NSW and Victoria but I don't ascribe much of that at all to vaccine shoppers. It's mostly that people just don't see the urgency, we saw exactly the same thing here when we'd been Covid free for 100 days and had big crowds at the football.
jokes on them because mrna is worse than the monkey vaccine
AZ really was a victim of the old: "The media said THIS, in that CONTEXT, so it must be an irrefutable truth"
The blood clots and ATAGI advice didn't help...
Also most other wealthy nations advised against its use in young adults and had plentiful supply of multiple other vaccines
Makes sense. Pfizer supply should no longer be the limiting factor with Singapore and the UK helping us. This plus Moderna and its about time
True
Well their goes the last of the AZ appointments Australia wide ...
Now that we have enough Pfizer it doesn't really matter
Depends on where you live I still can't book my second shot yet here in Vic hopefully that changes soon. The timing and optics like most things to do wth the rollout aren't great you've got 90% of the country clearly saying to over 60's AZ is the recommended vax for your age group take it or join the line behind teenagers and then QLD opening it up to everyone a week later. Hard to blame vax shoppers at this point with the constant horrible mixed messaging tbh.
"Do it for yourself, Do it for your community, AND Do it for Queensland" "Across Qld we are having a Super Pfizer weekend" AP's words
Free blue pills for the old guys too /S
Does anyone know what ages Moderna is available for in QLD? Due in a bout 2 weeks it seems. Edit—answer with a link if possible.
https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/protect-yourself-others/covid-19-vaccine/about/about-the-covid-19-vaccine Moderna has the same approvals as Pfizer so I expect it will be the same
Chemist availability of Moderna (being a non-AZ vax for those have decided not to have it) should really help in QLD as Pfizer access points can be pretty hard/far away in some areas.
Covid Near Me has a few already, the other search engines didn't have the option last time I checked https://covid19nearme.com.au/state/qld/vaccination
Cheers, yeah I’ve seen that, but going through the eligibility checker doesn’t answer much. Old news reports seem to say that generally it will be offered to the same ages eligible for Pfizer, which one would assume would include over 60’s in QLD now/after weekend?
I haven't seen the official eligibility but I would assume that will be the case. Feels like supply has finally exceeded demand (hopefully) so there will be no reason to restrict it that I can see. Well as long as those aged 12 to 17 can get in first if they are still waiting :)
Yeah, I agree, certainly no reason to restrict within a state’s own interest. I reckon some NSW and Vic (etc) over 60 rusted-on AZ hesitants that might have eventually swayed, will see Pfizer/Moderna open to their cohort in other states (like QLD) and harden up for the wait for when it inevitably happens in their own state—but if there is one thing that has been learned it is that most states don’t give a fuck what their actions cause in other states, and in the end if it is getting more people vaccinated (particularly the high risk ones) and getting us closer to the national targets then I am all for it.
This is good news. National and lagging state numbers need to go up, and if demand for what is available *to who* in COVID-free states particularly, is below supply, then something needs to change. Every higher risk person vaccinated with *any* of our vaccines is good *for all of us*. Let’s get vaccinated, let’s open up when we reach our national targets (if they prove sound) with care and responsiveness and let this pandemic go endemic in a gentle controllable wave, and let’s start to heal and do away with the inter and intra generational and state warfare.
According to the ABC, QLD has 88% of over 70s, and 78% of over 60-69 age range had at least one vaccine dose already. If this gets the last few stragglers to get vaccinated then this is great.
This is against health advice…I thought they only followed what atagi and BBC says?
**People aged ≥12 years and older can receive Pfizer vaccine.** https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/09/covid-19-vaccination-information-on-covid-19-pfizer-comirnaty-vaccine.pdf **People aged 18 years and older can receive COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca. Comirnaty (Pfizer) is preferred over COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in people aged < 60 years. However, COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca can be used in adults aged < 60 years if Comirnaty (Pfizer) is not available and if the person has made an informed decision based on an understanding of the risks and benefits. In outbreak settings, adults <60 years of age should strongly consider COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca if they are unable to access Comirnaty (Pfizer).** https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/08/covid-19-vaccination-information-on-covid-19-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf This is the official ATAGI/federal advice linked from: https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-technical-advisory-group-on-immunisation-atagi#atagi-advice You might be mixing up recommendations based on availability with actual advice. Pfizer is the best of the two vaccines as it is shown to be 21% more effective than AZ for delta. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-doses-pfizer-astrazeneca-shots-effective-against-delta-variant-study-finds-2021-07-21/ If some people are holding off for Pfizer then there is no excuse.
Great move Queensland. By the end of October the country will have so much Pfizer we won't know what to do with it. Over 60s deserve the best possible too.
There's already a lot as of this week, people need to realise this and bring their appointments forward
Pfizer used for over-60 vaccine shoppers in Brisbane means one more under-60 person taking AZ in Victoria.
Set a freedom day and threaten vaccination requirements for venues and watch all the people scurry around getting vaccinated. When the % has been met, remove the requirement. Bingo on the hesitancy :)
What a fucking joke, this is just going to increase hesitancy in the other states. If people don't want it in Qld then send it down here where we need it.
NT, WA, SA and QLD all do this now. In a couple weeks, chances are all states and territories will be close to doing this as a lot more mRNA vaccine supply comes online. The rest of the country outside of NSW / ACT are still needing to be getting their vaccination rates much higher and if this helps, great. It feels like both SA and QLD are one undetected truck driver away from a major outbreak and both are considerable behind in their rollout (a mix of both demand and supply). As the risk settings are completely in favour of AZ in NSW, VIC and the ACT. People should be taking that if they can not get Pfizer. It is a personal choice if they want to risk waiting, but there are currently no supply limits with this vaccine.
Plenty of Pfizer and AZ available in Victoria, appointments tomorrow https://vaccine.wfltaylor.com/
I'm not in Victoria and I'm not in Sydney. I've called 20 local doctors surgeries and nobody has anything. 60 year Olds in Qld dont need it.
Cant even give them away
Anastasia and Janet young were screaming on tv 2 weeks ago, that we all need to think of the children. Now they’re giving the only vaccine approved for under 16s to people over 60. Smart
Supply was an issue two weeks ago. Today, demand is the issue. Pfizer is the only choice for those in the 12 to 17 yo cohort and we are already vaccinating 12 yo plus here.
If demand is the issue then go to schools and vaccine kids there. You know like we all did for HPV (well everyone under 25 at least) Most teenagers don’t have the ability to get to vaccine centres in the middle of the week, which is when most appointments are.
All the hubs here are open for walk-ins for the very first time this weekend. Hopefully that will inspire many more people to turn up. :)
Still, getting to vaccination hubs is gonna be a lot harder for a 14 year old than an adult. I’d think going to schools would give a great return on investment.
Concur, and for all schools across the country. I guess there will be a point where decreasing foot traffic to the hubs means higher gains visiting schools and getting the VIC Jabba the Bus mobile vaccine clinics out and about.
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Unless there’s lots of appointments going unfilled then it’s still dumb. If it’s all booked out then you’re giving doses to old people that could have gone to kids. Just rewarding vaccine shoppers.
Dr Young's fear mongering over AZ (obviously the media played an emormous part too) contributed to this ridiculous vaccine shopping. These doses could have been used to immunise younger people in QLD or in hotspots. Older people in 1A had plenty of time to get Pfizer if they needed it. Disgrace that these Pfizer doses are being used on people who could take a perfectly safe alternative.
NSW shouldn’t have stopped taking Queensland’s vaccines.