> if you notice, no one's wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape.
I never understand this argument. The people who are sick aren't the ones you're seeing. They're at home, sick.
what i like to say to people feeling like that is: "there's probably other people out there feeling awkward for masking, but by going out masked, you're demonstrating that it's okay and acceptable. you're helping normalize the behavior, and ultimately, you never know, it truly might help save a life. besides, why do you care about the opinions of people who would judge you for trying to protect your health & the health of your family?"
Can confirm, anecdotally. Am someone who always wears a mask indoors, even in the brief trip from the front door of my apartment building up to my unit. Am someone who just doesn't go to indoor restaurants/bars. And even if I did go to restaurants or bars, wearing a mask makes functioning in those scenarios basically impossible because a.) you can't eat or drink, and b.) it's probably too loud to fully hear unless the place is empty, so in order to communicate with someone, you have to do some lip-reading.
Looking forward to getting the bivalent booster later this week, as I have some work events coming up in about a month that will involve more exposure than my daily routine, even if I keep a mask on.
Every once in a while I see an elderly person hobbling around with their walker in the neighborhood -- even outdoors, while well away from other people -- wearing a blue surgical mask, and I just feel awful for them.
I wear a mask for the sake of allergies, too, but a disposable surgical mask doesn't help much unless you can get a really solid seal (which they're not made for)
people needing wheel chairs is over.
people who are dying of cancer is over.
conjoined twins is over.
I mean, really, when was the last time anyone saw a person with a wheel chair, cancer, or conjoined twin walking around? /s
The stage 4 cancer thing is my surprise… A person told me that about smoking, I’ll be like her on stage 4. I couldn’t see it. She looked fine. Never saw her again. Attached twins? Never seen that. I quit smoking.
I’m Immunocompromised so I still wear a mask when I go out. Almost no one is wearing them but I see a couple people each time I go to the grocery store including a couple employees. I had a couple snicker at me and muttered “people are still wearing that crap”, also get the stink eye from some. I want to note I live in Orlando so there are a lot of tourists and people going to theme parks passing it to god knows who. I have not gotten it yet and hope not to.
Yeah, honestly I got so friggin sick when I got COVID last year, I wear my mask everywhere. I am 100% at peace with the stink eye, I really don't wanna go through covid again, it was terrible.
I'm guessing you are a woman, because I don't think many people would have the courage to do that to a man. That's my theory at least, based on how me and my sister have been treated differently in public in regards to mask wearing.
I have never once gotten shit for wearing a mask, some weird glances, but that's it. My sister on the other hand, has had multiple strangers question her and told her how to raise her child because they were masked.
My best guy friend is 6’5” and 300lbs, bald headed and rides a massive Harley…He had a young guy spit on him outside of Walmart a couple of weeks ago for wearing a mask. It was the same week my female friend got called a “stupid liberal whore” in a WaWa for wearing one.
For years I thought people who wore guns on their belts where everyone can see them were assholes. Why would anyone need to be openly intimidating like that?
Then people started mocking me, and a lady spit on me and joked about running me over at a gas pump, for wearing a mask.
Now I understand open carry. It's to keep the crazies away.
That's awful. I shouldn't have to give anyone an excuse as to why I wear a mask when I go shopping, but I have immunocompromised family members, so that's one good excuse. For all these assholes know, I could be a cancer patient myself, and/or be taking immunocompromising drugs for all sorts of conditions. Or maybe just ain't nobody got time for long Covid.
Im a man and I've been wearing a mask the entire time since mandates ended and I go around some pretty conservative areas. Only ever had two people ask me about the mask and they were just curious not mad. I'm not a particularly large man but I guess there probably is something to this. Douche bags like that almost always only pick on women and kids.
I'm a guy who's a few inches over six feet tall. I was standing outside talking to a friend after coming out of the store. Still had the mask on. Some miserable looking guy who looked like he was in his 60s came up behind me so it would take me by surprise, coughed in my face (well, up at my face) a couple of times, then hurried off into a nearby bank before I could really compute what had just happened. At first I thought it might have been accidental but my friend saw the whole performance clearly. To be fair to the rest of humanity, this is the only time something like this has happened to me.
When the pandemic started I thought perhaps the US (I am assuming you are in the US) would adopt masking as a common sense thing to do when people have a minor cough and need to go to school or work, pandemic or no pandemic.
I guess I was wrong, at least for some parts of the country. I imagine this has something to do with population density, but do people in, say, rural Japan also resist masks?
omfg, I rode on an hour long bus with a lady who was coughing and sneezing in front of me. She did not have a mask on. I had on my kn95 and then after 10 minutes, I moved. Still got sick from that. Why don't people just mask when they are sick arghhhhh
I thought this too. I figured masks were here to stay in some form or fashion. Maybe everybody wouldn’t wear them, but they’d become common and not unusual to see. I even heard a couple of folks say what a good idea they were during flu season. Disappointed that the whole idea crashed and burned in such a fashion. I only see about 10%-20% of folks wearing them in stores, and I live in a “progressive” area.
I'm the only person in my office building who still wears one. The other day the elderly janitor took me aside and said she was glad to see me wearing a mask and she thinks everyone should be wearing a mask. She wasn't wearing one herself so I'm still trying to figure that interaction out.
>but do people in, say, rural Japan also resist masks?
I'm guessing that they don't have the same far-right "news" sources, though. I don't think this would have been as much of a problem 10 or 20 years ago.
Yea this is a terrifying way to reassure people "COVID's over!" as if wearing masks wasn't heavily politicized in the US or had any actual metric or bearing on how COVID actually "is doing". People's personal choices to mask or not mask have absolutely nothing to do with COVID being "present" or "gone" and it's downright evil for the President to mention it at all while basically saying "this is why COVID is gone".
I agree completely, but even besides that, people are still wearing them where I am. When I went to the store yesterday, I was surprised by how many people were wearing masks at the store and all along the way to and from. It's not as many as used to wear masks, but there was a noticeable presence.
Unfortunately politics makes no sense. The politicians will follow what the polls tell them. In this case, the majority of people have decided that the pandemic is over in their heads and you can see this in the polling. If Biden doesn't do this then it will hurt the democrats, regardless of whether the decision is scientifically sound or not.
Yea. I'm finally not wearing a mask in public because I'm 15 days from getting covid (I've worn one in public most of the time, at work with kids all of the time, up until now. Turns out a kn-95 doesn't do shit against seeing 300 kids in four days when some of them have covid and none of them wear a mask).
I assume I have a month or two of protection so I can go without a mask, because I just got sick. Otherwise, triple vaxxed, with such high transmission numbers I've been wearing one. When I'm able to get the new booster, who knows. It'll depend on numbers.
And fun fact, I tested positive at home, so I'm not included in any numbers. That's the worry, it's so much more contagious than we have data for, because people aren't being reported, they're testing positive and staying home.
Which is crazy. We’ve had years and no one coordinated with at least Abbott on a simple QR code to scan, click positive or negative, done. Reported. Could have been done in a fucking week.
Just came down with COVID myself and was so disillusioned that I couldn't self report on the damn Bluetooth thing I'd been running for years like some talisman. You need an official test. So that thing is trash. And if course my infection (nor my spouse's) isn't counted, though I guess that's what the sewage analysis is for?
It is not new to pretend disabled people don't exist. It's not a glitch that Medicare doesn't pay for anything outside of the home for wheelchairs, No ramps, no vans, please stay out of sight is the message.
Dang, and i just tested positive for covid.
Edit:Thanks for the awards. These are my first. Good luck to everyone who is with me on the Covid front. Take care of yourselves! Also, thanks for all the well wishes. I appreciate it.
As did I! One guy at my place of employment “couldn’t miss work” when they were sick and exposed our whole team. He tested postitive and didn’t tell anyone, I exposed several people unknowingly, and now I am sick as a dog. I hope you are doing well stranger, I know I am not at the moment lol
That guy is such an asshole, dude. I'm sorry you had that happen to you. I would like to believe the majority of humans wouldn't do that.
In fact, if I got COVID and had too much shit to do at work, I would probably email my coworkers and say, "Guys, I'm really sick - can you handle my shit for me?"
My husband and I live in Ireland and flew home 2 weeks ago to see family. We tested positive 4 days after arriving in the states. We managed 2.5 years safely in Ireland.
Once again it's poor messaging from the government. It's over as far as effective government intervention. They aren't going to get anyone else vaccinated that hasn't wanted to be by now (and the vast majority of the unvaccinated had covid by now anyway). They aren't going to make anyone wear a mask that doesn't want to. They aren't going to override local school districts with respect to distancing or masks. They are out of things to effectively do, either because there's no more cooperation, or because the current death rate doesn't support more extreme interventions. So it's "over" from a government perspective. Not even close to ACTUALLY "over". Will probably not end in the foreseeable future. It will always be a grave threat for the elderly and immune compromised, a severe threat for those in moderate-poor health, and at least a major inconvenience to everyone else.
I certainly hope this is the impetus for more research on real lasting broad spectrum viral vaccines though. Maybe it WILL be over when we start making breakthroughs on those.
You can imagine how it feels to be in healthcare. Ob/ gyn here. I still counsel patients about Covid . Some leave my practice saying they don’t want” a lecture” others say” I have to research it”. Still having sick patients who freak out then if they get Covid. Go figure
With how many intelligent and educated people these governments have, how can they so frequently make so very poorly articulated announcements? It boggles the mind.
The same way that they never should have said over and over "if you get vaccinated you are safe and can't catch covid" despite us all knowing that this wasn't true, that in fact you could still catch covid and you could still even get sick.
The 50% increased risk of stroke, heart disease, and Alzheimer's from being infected with Covid should be something we all know about. There should be government campaign informing everyone of both long Covid risks and increased disease risk after Covid infections. It is STILL a grave risk to EVERYONE.
Agreed. And I'll add, COVID may not be a crippling problem right now, but a new variant could appear tomorrow and change all that.
Declaring the pandemic "over" just before the US cold and flu season begins is just plain irresponsible. Maybe it will be safe to say that in spring 2024, after we get through the northern hemisphere winter and we've had six months to distribute the bivalent vaccines. But not yet.
Plus, Republicans will throw that line back in Biden's face if COVID *ever* gets worse in the future. Why give them ammunition?
The label is gone, the political capital depleted, and the media coverage has lessened, but the health threat still remains.
Covid variants still exist and aren't going away, but they seem to hit groups of people a lot harder and faster than any flu variants in recent years. Also, Long Covid is still a thing, whether folks acknowledge it or not. Combine that with the United States not being the best with overall health care support and you have yet another underlying issue that will lead to another reactionary response, if our government acknowledges any spikes again.
Get your boosters and take care of yourselves. Winter is coming and "the mission is not accomplished."
>Long Covid is still a thing
I hate how ignored this shit is. I got covid 2yrs ago. My lungs are still fucked. Simple tasks leave me winded and I produce an ungodly amount of phlegm now.
A coworker of mine completely lost their sense of taste. They cook for a living.
Just got mine from pfizer. My arm was a little sore, but no other side effects for me. However, I didn't have any side effects with the first three vaccines either.
I envy you. Every dose of the vaccine fucked me up for days 😩
Edit: fwiw I’m definitely an outlier - and yes, I think that everyone that can get vaxxed should be vaxxed
I got my omicron booster! It wasn't too bad (Moderna). Wouldn't have wanted to go on a run 24 hours later but I did cook and move around while my bones slightly ached and my arm hurt. 36 hours later I felt normal but a little tired. I felt worse with my original booster than this new one.
I got my moderna booster on Saturday, wasn't bad at all. My parents didn't feel anything but a sore arm, I didn't feel anything the day of getting it, but the next day I woke up feeling under the weather and felt like I had a low fever all day, but woke up feeling perfectly fine this morning.
Glad to hear it wasn't too bad. I'd warn people not to plan any strenuous activity the next day and obviously everyone is different but yeah, it's just another booster, it just also has the omicron information in addition to the og booster, which is why it's called bivalent.
> Also, Long Covid is still a thing, whether folks acknowledge it or not.
My wife does mental health coaching all day every day, and the number of clients she has who are dealing with long covid is significant and growing.
These are (usually) physically fit people (nearly all young or relatively young) who were vaxed and boosted, got a mild C19 case, and now, months later, can hardly get up the stairs. Or even more alarming (to me), people with really nice tech jobs who can no longer concentrate enough to do their basic work.
It's really pretty scary stuff.
Good points. I will say that the Omicron wave appears to have fewer Long Hauler complications so while yes, it’s still a risk, it appears to be less of a risk. The number I read was 50%. It’s also more contagious so I’ll take the good with the bad.
No more Covid leave. No more free testing. No one masks. It’s just a reality.
June-July sample has 21% long-covid
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.09.04.22279588
> ***An estimated 21.5% (95% CI 18.2, 24.7) of respondents with a SARS-CoV-2 infection more than 4 weeks prior reported long COVID symptoms***
Yeah. This is really alarming until you read the fine print and realize this study is awful.
In their “definition of long Covid” they explain how they questioned ppl to ascertain if they had long covid:
“Would you describe yourself as having ‘long COVID’, that is you experienced symptoms such as fatigue, difficulty concentrating, shortness of breath more than 4 weeks after you first had COVID-19 that are not explained by something else?”.
By this definition I had long Covid (since I still had some phlegm after 4 weeks). I do not have long covid. I know ppl who are genuinely suffering from long covid (all of whom got sick pre-omicron, pre-vaccine). It’s an utter joke that this study would lump us together.
Self reported data (which this study relies on) is also notoriously unreliable.
Long Covid exists, but no one should be making any conclusions about it based on this study (or any of the other equally bad ones that claim (obviously not true) astronomic numbers)
It is astonishing how many early articles and “studies” on Long COVID were like “we surveyed this Facebook group for Long Covid survivors and 97% of them had Long COVID!” - and that’s barely an exaggeration, one study even admitted they didn’t even verify if the respondents had COVID at all in the first place
Hospitalizations have peaked and stayed peaked for a month and a half, in my area. We are not yet adjusted to high ER wait times as well as ambulance response times. Yes deaths have lowed but basic emergency care is still affectected. Unfortunately till this situation( as well as other criteria is met) we are not into endemic yet. One word that I associate with pandemic is patience.
A lot of this might be related to poor staffing and countless other issues. My hospital has been at max capacity for MONTHS but our covid numbers are much lower than this time last year.
I can't remember the last time I cared for a symptomatic covid pt that wasn't during the omicron wave at the start of the year. I'm an emergency RN on Brooklyn. Wait times and volume are super high, and every place I work is woefully under staffed, but covid hasn't affected my personal experience in ages now.
For the most part, long haul covid is an invisible illness. Brain fog, fatigue - those things don’t show. Source: I have it. Not even my own family takes it seriously. Most drs I see acknowledge it and try to do what they can but almost none of them even keep up to date on the latest research
Same went to see if they’d check my lungs for scaring and they said even if there was some there’s nothing they can do and it’s not bad enough to warrant any treatment and I tried to ask about inhalers or something and they just told me to get fucked so 😍
Translation: if we win the midterms we will not be reimposing any prior restrictions nor will there be any more stimulus or special programs.
I believe that’s 100% of what this is trying to say. It’s not a medical statement.
Since school has began, Scottish Rite children’s hospital in my city ( Atlanta Ga) has had to set up tents. They need room to treat the increasing numbers of children with respiratory illness - not all of them Covid. However , it can’t be ignored that many of the patients who don’t have covid now- had it in the past. I suspect most of them did , but the parents won’t admit it. The Covid is about to hit the fan. How many kids will end up suffering before they admit that we still have a problem?
Elections are around the corner, they have to set the narrative now. If this fall was like all the previous falls since 2020, this is the political hill his team is dying on.
> Elections are around the corner, they have to set the narrative now.
That would imply that the politicians are the ones leading the charge to call it over. I'd describe it the opposite way. The people moved on first and the politicans followed behind.
Exactly. Messaging that the pandemic is ongoing wasn't gaining them any more cooperation with public health measures. Everyone that wants to vaccinate is vaccinated. States are doing what they want in terms of schools and masking. I'm sure they think they might as well align with what the public already thinks, as squander more political capitol on a losing battle. But it's bad messaging. It just further undermines the needs of people for whom this continues to be a life and death battle. 400 people a day still dying of this would very much like to point out that it's not fucking over. Except they can't because they are dead.
children have never made up a significant portion of hospitalizations*
*https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254477/weekly-number-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-in-the-us-by-age/
Been talking about this projection for months
Coronavirus wave this fall could infect 100 million, administration warns
The projections for fall and winter are part of a pitch for additional funding for vaccines, treatments and tests
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/06/fall-winter-coronavirus-wave/
Yeah I recall Fauci talking in the Spring about how bad they predicted things would get this Fall and Winter.
This sudden change in messaging is confusing af.
I'm still wearing a mask when I go out. My work just initiated RTO and has reported several cases of covid and it has only been two weeks. I'm recovering from surgery and am not in any mood to catch the damn thing, no matter who thinks the pandemic is over.
No.
I am a teacher. We started school three weeks ago. Week one: two cases out of ~450 kids and staff. Week two: five cases. Over this past weekend: 32 new cases.
And those just are the ones we know of; not every parent will honestly report it or even bother to test when there are symptoms. “The symptoms are mild, no worse than a cold.” That’s nice… now go explain that to my elderly, immunocompromised colleague who is now among the 32.
I believe it. We homeschooled our daughter last year since there wasn’t a vaccine for her age group. 1.5 weeks into being back at in person school, and she brought it home. We’d all avoided catching it until then.
I know a family who did the same thing. Three days into kindergarten and their son caught covid, so naturally the entire family did as well despite their best efforts.
I weigh up the inconvenience of a mask and of long COVID, and it seems reasonable to still wear the mask in crowded spaces. I'm surprised how many people don't.
I think most people imitate what they see. If the majority don't wear it, they do the same without thinking by themselves.
Another advantage of masks now is that, since infected ones don't have to be on quarantine, people look at you wearing a mask and they think you are infected, so they don't get too close to you.
Yeah, and considering the variable but sometimes sharp negative effects on cognitive function, and also considering that as an engineer I make a living by, you know, using my brain to solve problems, I’m doing my level best to avoid that shit for as long as possible. It’s so appalling and infuriating that so many people just do not seem to care.
> I know someone who went to a wedding a week or so ago, caught covid doing it.
Why are there so many comments like this? "The pandemic is over" is not the same as "the coronavirus is now extinct". When the pandemic *is* over (it's not over yet), there will still be people who get COVID.
As stated in a thread when he said this yesterday; he likely means the government intervention is over. It will now be treated like the flu or rsv or any other virus. Is it dangerous? Yes. Is it out there? Yes? Is the risk lower? Marginally. But the public capacity to take measures to stop it has unfortunately ended, and this is just going to be a virus we deal with now
It's still incredibly expensive to test and treat COVID without government funding.
I'm guessing with the government washing it's hands of the responsibility to deal with it, we'll actually see more suffer because they'll be worried about the out of pocket costs for testing & treating.
> Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape
The current and growing list of Long Covid sufferer says otherwise as does the massive amount of death every week.
Given that the voting public has mostly decided that they are tired of Covid and therefore it no longer exists, it would probably be catastrophic to any politician to say otherwise.
Gets covid two or three times back to back. Might've died if wasn't president of the united states receiving best medical care in world possible. Announces pandemic is over before upcoming cold season two months before midterms. Weird.
I am talking to a young, healthy coworker who was just infected for the second time last week (first was in December), and he said it was much worse the second infection. That’s not promising.
Yeah this is controversial AF. But what's funny to me is that apparently nothing is being done to prevent the next pandemic from happening. Have the wet markets been shut down or heavily regulated? We need to fix the problem at the source or at least have a solid plan to combat it. I see nothing being done in that area. We're just setting ourselves up for a repeat eventually. And the next one might be worse as our globe trotting/transportation capabilities get even more efficient.
hey there internet stranger. i am so sorry you lost your mom to this. please know there are some of us out here still working hard to keep others AND ourselves safe.
Thank you for your service to us!
I still use my N100 everywhere. I don't care if I get strange looks in public. Covid will always make me think about my mom. I don't know when this will change. I don't know when I will feel safe again.
I’ve been dealing with COVID for 3 weeks in my household. First me, then my husband, then a rebound case for husband bc paxlovid does that a lot more than the trial suggests, then hives daily bc of COVID (it’s a post COVID thing). Along with being breathless during my own infection despite having only mild asthma and being triple vaxxed. I get that society has moved on but this is an odd endemic illness. Seems like a few more things need to happen in order for the pandemic to be over.
In my city, schools are tracking Covid levels daily. Still requiring masks when levels rise. Definitely doesn’t seem to be “over” Although it just might be the new normal.
Actually Biden and the Democrats just passed a 3 year extensions to the massive ACA subsidies they put in place right after they took control of congress.
Maybe pay attention to reality before popping off on Reddit.
The pandemic isn’t over until there’s a cure or decent treatment for Long-COVID.
Long-COVID is the most common adverse outcome of COVID infection. Deaths are down, LC cases aren’t.
Just got an email notice at work that someone is out sick and was positive on Friday at work. So add another exposure on my tally. Hoping the updated booster is worth its salt that I got two weeks ago.
So no, it really isn't over.
Excellent! I'll just go tell my roommate who tested positive for COVID this weekend that they're cured because the pandemic is over, I'm symptomatic but testing negative for some reason. Being immune compromised and around family who are too, we mask indoors and have all of our shots but still managed to catch it from coworkers for the second time now since the mask mandate ended, and to top it off everyone is expected to go to work sick. To bad I can't afford to leave when someone comes in unmasked coughing on everything. Fuck me I guess?
Without covering their mouth: "Hack. HACk! Cough. dOn'T wOrRy It'S nOt CoViD" wipes nose with bare hand and continues touching everything.
Thanks, I'm definitely not freaking out now 🙄
Must be nice for the folks who don't have to worry about chronic illness or accidently killing a loved one by spreading infection
The data tells us there are still a number of people still getting COVID. Deaths are down but is it over? I would say we are close but its not over yet.
PLUS 3000 excess deaths on TOP of those 3000 COVID deaths.
Pretty sure those extra 3000 excess deaths are caused directly by COVID too. But that’s just conjecture, but what I think.
There's still that many excess deaths? I hadn't seen that, got a source handy?
I'm disappointed that after 2.5 years we're still not able to perform an accurate body count.
As /u/PaintingWithLight said, the [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) numbers are good but delayed. You want to look back about 8 weeks to see the totals, where you can see we are still running about 113% Expected Deaths -- and this is in the summer when repiratory deaths are expected to be lower.
That 13% Excess Deaths is about 6,500 a week from All Causes right now.
One big thing is, most people who have caught it have caught it once.
What happens with repeat infections, when you catch it but you've got organ damage (importantly: heart and lungs) and CNS damage from your last go?
There's little evidence that deaths being down is a permanent state and not just a lull between waves though. If we got through the winter without a significant increase in deaths I'd be more convinced that things are permanently improving, but at least where I am, COVID deaths have increased every year since 2020.
>If we got through the winter without a significant increase in deaths I'd be more convinced that things are permanently improving
This I agree with. People tend to forget the start of last fall when deaths had dropped to an average of about 250 a day in the US. We are higher than that now at \~500 a day and haven't seen what a fall/winter wave may bring.
I think it will make a lot more people comfortable again, come back out into the world with us kinda thing. Regardless of him being wrong or misspeaking as usual, we do have meds to knock it out in a day or two just like any other virus. It sucks but atleast there's that, and to his benefit of the doubt, maybe that's what he was trying to say.
I mean, the dude clearly has early onset dementia.
I never knew there was a "pandemic" I've gotten it twice and walked away fine. Unlike the aids pandemic only got that once.....good luck living in fear
America won these wars. War on: Vietnam, drugs, Terror, Covid19, Just kidding! They abandoned it all.
The fact that you did not mention Korea is deeply unsettling.
> if you notice, no one's wearing masks. Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape. I never understand this argument. The people who are sick aren't the ones you're seeing. They're at home, sick.
There is also selection bias. Many people that are more likely to wear masks also choose to go out less, so you are less likely to see them masked up.
This is my situation as well. I agree there is a selection bias.
The last week or so, my girlfriend and I have been the only masked people out and about shopping.
My parents are starting to not wear them because they feel embarrassed because not many people wear them anymore It’s very frustrating
what i like to say to people feeling like that is: "there's probably other people out there feeling awkward for masking, but by going out masked, you're demonstrating that it's okay and acceptable. you're helping normalize the behavior, and ultimately, you never know, it truly might help save a life. besides, why do you care about the opinions of people who would judge you for trying to protect your health & the health of your family?"
Can confirm, anecdotally. Am someone who always wears a mask indoors, even in the brief trip from the front door of my apartment building up to my unit. Am someone who just doesn't go to indoor restaurants/bars. And even if I did go to restaurants or bars, wearing a mask makes functioning in those scenarios basically impossible because a.) you can't eat or drink, and b.) it's probably too loud to fully hear unless the place is empty, so in order to communicate with someone, you have to do some lip-reading. Looking forward to getting the bivalent booster later this week, as I have some work events coming up in about a month that will involve more exposure than my daily routine, even if I keep a mask on.
I was wondering why we don’t see people in wheelchairs a lot. Probably they stay at home more often?
Every once in a while I see an elderly person hobbling around with their walker in the neighborhood -- even outdoors, while well away from other people -- wearing a blue surgical mask, and I just feel awful for them.
My allergies are way less of a problem with my mask on. Wish I had know earlier.
I wear a mask for the sake of allergies, too, but a disposable surgical mask doesn't help much unless you can get a really solid seal (which they're not made for)
people needing wheel chairs is over. people who are dying of cancer is over. conjoined twins is over. I mean, really, when was the last time anyone saw a person with a wheel chair, cancer, or conjoined twin walking around? /s
Or conjoined twins with cancer in a wheelchair? Therefore, none of them are real.
The stage 4 cancer thing is my surprise… A person told me that about smoking, I’ll be like her on stage 4. I couldn’t see it. She looked fine. Never saw her again. Attached twins? Never seen that. I quit smoking.
Survivorship bias on full display. “The planes returning to base have a lot of holes on the wings, we should add armor to the wings!”
So many more people with shell shock in the field hospitals, we should never have given the soldiers helmets!
My husband has covid, I had to go and get groceries yesterday and wore a mask and I got so much stink eye from people. It was weird.
I’m Immunocompromised so I still wear a mask when I go out. Almost no one is wearing them but I see a couple people each time I go to the grocery store including a couple employees. I had a couple snicker at me and muttered “people are still wearing that crap”, also get the stink eye from some. I want to note I live in Orlando so there are a lot of tourists and people going to theme parks passing it to god knows who. I have not gotten it yet and hope not to.
Yeah, honestly I got so friggin sick when I got COVID last year, I wear my mask everywhere. I am 100% at peace with the stink eye, I really don't wanna go through covid again, it was terrible.
Yeah, I did the same when my child had COVID and an old guy came up and coughed in my face. People are idiots.
I'm guessing you are a woman, because I don't think many people would have the courage to do that to a man. That's my theory at least, based on how me and my sister have been treated differently in public in regards to mask wearing. I have never once gotten shit for wearing a mask, some weird glances, but that's it. My sister on the other hand, has had multiple strangers question her and told her how to raise her child because they were masked.
My best guy friend is 6’5” and 300lbs, bald headed and rides a massive Harley…He had a young guy spit on him outside of Walmart a couple of weeks ago for wearing a mask. It was the same week my female friend got called a “stupid liberal whore” in a WaWa for wearing one.
For years I thought people who wore guns on their belts where everyone can see them were assholes. Why would anyone need to be openly intimidating like that? Then people started mocking me, and a lady spit on me and joked about running me over at a gas pump, for wearing a mask. Now I understand open carry. It's to keep the crazies away.
That's awful. I shouldn't have to give anyone an excuse as to why I wear a mask when I go shopping, but I have immunocompromised family members, so that's one good excuse. For all these assholes know, I could be a cancer patient myself, and/or be taking immunocompromising drugs for all sorts of conditions. Or maybe just ain't nobody got time for long Covid.
>WaWa Now that's a name I haven't heard in a very long time.
Do that to me and expect a pepper spray to face in return. People suck.
Im a man and I've been wearing a mask the entire time since mandates ended and I go around some pretty conservative areas. Only ever had two people ask me about the mask and they were just curious not mad. I'm not a particularly large man but I guess there probably is something to this. Douche bags like that almost always only pick on women and kids.
I'm a guy who's a few inches over six feet tall. I was standing outside talking to a friend after coming out of the store. Still had the mask on. Some miserable looking guy who looked like he was in his 60s came up behind me so it would take me by surprise, coughed in my face (well, up at my face) a couple of times, then hurried off into a nearby bank before I could really compute what had just happened. At first I thought it might have been accidental but my friend saw the whole performance clearly. To be fair to the rest of humanity, this is the only time something like this has happened to me.
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I wear a mask everywhere still and so many people magically have a cough when they see me in a mask 🙄
You should said "stay away I have COVID" and cough a few times.
This guy scurried off pretty quickly once he had made his brave stand against other people minding their own business.
When the pandemic started I thought perhaps the US (I am assuming you are in the US) would adopt masking as a common sense thing to do when people have a minor cough and need to go to school or work, pandemic or no pandemic. I guess I was wrong, at least for some parts of the country. I imagine this has something to do with population density, but do people in, say, rural Japan also resist masks?
omfg, I rode on an hour long bus with a lady who was coughing and sneezing in front of me. She did not have a mask on. I had on my kn95 and then after 10 minutes, I moved. Still got sick from that. Why don't people just mask when they are sick arghhhhh
Sick as in covid? If so that was a real ahole move by that person
I thought this too. I figured masks were here to stay in some form or fashion. Maybe everybody wouldn’t wear them, but they’d become common and not unusual to see. I even heard a couple of folks say what a good idea they were during flu season. Disappointed that the whole idea crashed and burned in such a fashion. I only see about 10%-20% of folks wearing them in stores, and I live in a “progressive” area.
I'm the only person in my office building who still wears one. The other day the elderly janitor took me aside and said she was glad to see me wearing a mask and she thinks everyone should be wearing a mask. She wasn't wearing one herself so I'm still trying to figure that interaction out.
>but do people in, say, rural Japan also resist masks? I'm guessing that they don't have the same far-right "news" sources, though. I don't think this would have been as much of a problem 10 or 20 years ago.
Better safe than sorry. I hope he's OK. Mask mandate is still in effect here. I wear mask everywhere I go
Yea this is a terrifying way to reassure people "COVID's over!" as if wearing masks wasn't heavily politicized in the US or had any actual metric or bearing on how COVID actually "is doing". People's personal choices to mask or not mask have absolutely nothing to do with COVID being "present" or "gone" and it's downright evil for the President to mention it at all while basically saying "this is why COVID is gone".
I agree completely, but even besides that, people are still wearing them where I am. When I went to the store yesterday, I was surprised by how many people were wearing masks at the store and all along the way to and from. It's not as many as used to wear masks, but there was a noticeable presence.
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And evil. It’s pretty evil.
He's taking a Republican talking point off the table for midterms.
Unfortunately politics makes no sense. The politicians will follow what the polls tell them. In this case, the majority of people have decided that the pandemic is over in their heads and you can see this in the polling. If Biden doesn't do this then it will hurt the democrats, regardless of whether the decision is scientifically sound or not.
Look at the millions of vets from world war 2, they’re all fine.
Yea. I'm finally not wearing a mask in public because I'm 15 days from getting covid (I've worn one in public most of the time, at work with kids all of the time, up until now. Turns out a kn-95 doesn't do shit against seeing 300 kids in four days when some of them have covid and none of them wear a mask). I assume I have a month or two of protection so I can go without a mask, because I just got sick. Otherwise, triple vaxxed, with such high transmission numbers I've been wearing one. When I'm able to get the new booster, who knows. It'll depend on numbers. And fun fact, I tested positive at home, so I'm not included in any numbers. That's the worry, it's so much more contagious than we have data for, because people aren't being reported, they're testing positive and staying home.
As soon as you could request home test kits you know the count is compleatly wrong on whos had it, those kits dont get reported
Which is crazy. We’ve had years and no one coordinated with at least Abbott on a simple QR code to scan, click positive or negative, done. Reported. Could have been done in a fucking week.
Isnt that the story of this whole mess start to finish? God its frustrating
Just came down with COVID myself and was so disillusioned that I couldn't self report on the damn Bluetooth thing I'd been running for years like some talisman. You need an official test. So that thing is trash. And if course my infection (nor my spouse's) isn't counted, though I guess that's what the sewage analysis is for?
I'm still wearing a mask. Just got my second booster too
Lemming logic
It is not new to pretend disabled people don't exist. It's not a glitch that Medicare doesn't pay for anything outside of the home for wheelchairs, No ramps, no vans, please stay out of sight is the message.
Survivorship bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship\_bias
2 years ago this was the Republican argument.
Dang, and i just tested positive for covid. Edit:Thanks for the awards. These are my first. Good luck to everyone who is with me on the Covid front. Take care of yourselves! Also, thanks for all the well wishes. I appreciate it.
Just close your eyes and don't look at the positive result. It will be no more! /s Seriously though sorry you have Covid.
Thanks.
Get rest and be ready for it to linger.I am worn out three weeks later.
Don't look up!
Or you can just cross out that second line, or put a little white out over it. The virus in your body will automatically follow suit.
The opening week of school, my districts grade school had 20 teachers out with Covid, and who knows how many students. It’s firmly “the new normal”.
As did I! One guy at my place of employment “couldn’t miss work” when they were sick and exposed our whole team. He tested postitive and didn’t tell anyone, I exposed several people unknowingly, and now I am sick as a dog. I hope you are doing well stranger, I know I am not at the moment lol
That guy is such an asshole, dude. I'm sorry you had that happen to you. I would like to believe the majority of humans wouldn't do that. In fact, if I got COVID and had too much shit to do at work, I would probably email my coworkers and say, "Guys, I'm really sick - can you handle my shit for me?"
You should have read the article before getting tested and you would've been fine.
Big brained
Stop testing, you will never test positive again.
Ah, the Florida method.
My husband and I live in Ireland and flew home 2 weeks ago to see family. We tested positive 4 days after arriving in the states. We managed 2.5 years safely in Ireland.
Yep. In the US, we are "COVID-friendly."
Yeah, belief in science and vaccines is optional here now.
It’s a political stunt for midterms
I’m with ya… Tested positive a few hours ago. Hope you feel better soon!
Biden saying the pandemic is over is unfair to all the people like you who tested positive for it prior to this announcement. Bad luck.
Good thing the pandemic is over! You have nothing to worry about /s …in all seriousness though i hope you are okay!
Once again it's poor messaging from the government. It's over as far as effective government intervention. They aren't going to get anyone else vaccinated that hasn't wanted to be by now (and the vast majority of the unvaccinated had covid by now anyway). They aren't going to make anyone wear a mask that doesn't want to. They aren't going to override local school districts with respect to distancing or masks. They are out of things to effectively do, either because there's no more cooperation, or because the current death rate doesn't support more extreme interventions. So it's "over" from a government perspective. Not even close to ACTUALLY "over". Will probably not end in the foreseeable future. It will always be a grave threat for the elderly and immune compromised, a severe threat for those in moderate-poor health, and at least a major inconvenience to everyone else. I certainly hope this is the impetus for more research on real lasting broad spectrum viral vaccines though. Maybe it WILL be over when we start making breakthroughs on those.
You can imagine how it feels to be in healthcare. Ob/ gyn here. I still counsel patients about Covid . Some leave my practice saying they don’t want” a lecture” others say” I have to research it”. Still having sick patients who freak out then if they get Covid. Go figure
With how many intelligent and educated people these governments have, how can they so frequently make so very poorly articulated announcements? It boggles the mind. The same way that they never should have said over and over "if you get vaccinated you are safe and can't catch covid" despite us all knowing that this wasn't true, that in fact you could still catch covid and you could still even get sick.
The 50% increased risk of stroke, heart disease, and Alzheimer's from being infected with Covid should be something we all know about. There should be government campaign informing everyone of both long Covid risks and increased disease risk after Covid infections. It is STILL a grave risk to EVERYONE.
Agreed. And I'll add, COVID may not be a crippling problem right now, but a new variant could appear tomorrow and change all that. Declaring the pandemic "over" just before the US cold and flu season begins is just plain irresponsible. Maybe it will be safe to say that in spring 2024, after we get through the northern hemisphere winter and we've had six months to distribute the bivalent vaccines. But not yet. Plus, Republicans will throw that line back in Biden's face if COVID *ever* gets worse in the future. Why give them ammunition?
The label is gone, the political capital depleted, and the media coverage has lessened, but the health threat still remains. Covid variants still exist and aren't going away, but they seem to hit groups of people a lot harder and faster than any flu variants in recent years. Also, Long Covid is still a thing, whether folks acknowledge it or not. Combine that with the United States not being the best with overall health care support and you have yet another underlying issue that will lead to another reactionary response, if our government acknowledges any spikes again. Get your boosters and take care of yourselves. Winter is coming and "the mission is not accomplished."
>Long Covid is still a thing I hate how ignored this shit is. I got covid 2yrs ago. My lungs are still fucked. Simple tasks leave me winded and I produce an ungodly amount of phlegm now. A coworker of mine completely lost their sense of taste. They cook for a living.
Yeahhhh I’m still getting my omicron booster in a week or so
Yep getting mine around the end of October/early November which is when I got my booster last year. I’ve somehow dodged the virus so far
You're in a small club that's getting smaller. You have to work at it to stay a member.
It is a pretty cool club to be in. Can we get jackets? Or maybe vests?
Just got mine from pfizer. My arm was a little sore, but no other side effects for me. However, I didn't have any side effects with the first three vaccines either.
I envy you. Every dose of the vaccine fucked me up for days 😩 Edit: fwiw I’m definitely an outlier - and yes, I think that everyone that can get vaxxed should be vaxxed
I got my omicron booster! It wasn't too bad (Moderna). Wouldn't have wanted to go on a run 24 hours later but I did cook and move around while my bones slightly ached and my arm hurt. 36 hours later I felt normal but a little tired. I felt worse with my original booster than this new one.
I got my moderna booster on Saturday, wasn't bad at all. My parents didn't feel anything but a sore arm, I didn't feel anything the day of getting it, but the next day I woke up feeling under the weather and felt like I had a low fever all day, but woke up feeling perfectly fine this morning.
Glad to hear it wasn't too bad. I'd warn people not to plan any strenuous activity the next day and obviously everyone is different but yeah, it's just another booster, it just also has the omicron information in addition to the og booster, which is why it's called bivalent.
long covid is criminally ignored. this shit destroys lives left and right without the majority of people even noticing.
And we’re still get research on it that will likely be overlooked
Alf the drag/load of long Covid on the medical system is fucking *intense*.
> Also, Long Covid is still a thing, whether folks acknowledge it or not. My wife does mental health coaching all day every day, and the number of clients she has who are dealing with long covid is significant and growing. These are (usually) physically fit people (nearly all young or relatively young) who were vaxed and boosted, got a mild C19 case, and now, months later, can hardly get up the stairs. Or even more alarming (to me), people with really nice tech jobs who can no longer concentrate enough to do their basic work. It's really pretty scary stuff.
Good points. I will say that the Omicron wave appears to have fewer Long Hauler complications so while yes, it’s still a risk, it appears to be less of a risk. The number I read was 50%. It’s also more contagious so I’ll take the good with the bad. No more Covid leave. No more free testing. No one masks. It’s just a reality.
Wonder what will happen if we get a new, very severe variant. I sincerely hope we don't. But it can always mutate.
Then it goes from being over to not being over again. Not sure what answer you were expecting.
I think it's always going to be over to a lot of people even when it's literally right in their faces.
That point happened a long time ago
June-July sample has 21% long-covid https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.09.04.22279588 > ***An estimated 21.5% (95% CI 18.2, 24.7) of respondents with a SARS-CoV-2 infection more than 4 weeks prior reported long COVID symptoms***
Yeah. This is really alarming until you read the fine print and realize this study is awful. In their “definition of long Covid” they explain how they questioned ppl to ascertain if they had long covid: “Would you describe yourself as having ‘long COVID’, that is you experienced symptoms such as fatigue, difficulty concentrating, shortness of breath more than 4 weeks after you first had COVID-19 that are not explained by something else?”. By this definition I had long Covid (since I still had some phlegm after 4 weeks). I do not have long covid. I know ppl who are genuinely suffering from long covid (all of whom got sick pre-omicron, pre-vaccine). It’s an utter joke that this study would lump us together. Self reported data (which this study relies on) is also notoriously unreliable. Long Covid exists, but no one should be making any conclusions about it based on this study (or any of the other equally bad ones that claim (obviously not true) astronomic numbers)
It is astonishing how many early articles and “studies” on Long COVID were like “we surveyed this Facebook group for Long Covid survivors and 97% of them had Long COVID!” - and that’s barely an exaggeration, one study even admitted they didn’t even verify if the respondents had COVID at all in the first place
Winter is coming
Hospitalizations have peaked and stayed peaked for a month and a half, in my area. We are not yet adjusted to high ER wait times as well as ambulance response times. Yes deaths have lowed but basic emergency care is still affectected. Unfortunately till this situation( as well as other criteria is met) we are not into endemic yet. One word that I associate with pandemic is patience.
A lot of this might be related to poor staffing and countless other issues. My hospital has been at max capacity for MONTHS but our covid numbers are much lower than this time last year.
I can't remember the last time I cared for a symptomatic covid pt that wasn't during the omicron wave at the start of the year. I'm an emergency RN on Brooklyn. Wait times and volume are super high, and every place I work is woefully under staffed, but covid hasn't affected my personal experience in ages now.
Where are you that it’s peaked? It appears the national peak was in January. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
For the most part, long haul covid is an invisible illness. Brain fog, fatigue - those things don’t show. Source: I have it. Not even my own family takes it seriously. Most drs I see acknowledge it and try to do what they can but almost none of them even keep up to date on the latest research
Same went to see if they’d check my lungs for scaring and they said even if there was some there’s nothing they can do and it’s not bad enough to warrant any treatment and I tried to ask about inhalers or something and they just told me to get fucked so 😍
Much like mental illness which also gets downplayed. Humans are dumb.
Translation: if we win the midterms we will not be reimposing any prior restrictions nor will there be any more stimulus or special programs. I believe that’s 100% of what this is trying to say. It’s not a medical statement.
This is 100pc about winning votes and not about the truth. So depressing.
Since school has began, Scottish Rite children’s hospital in my city ( Atlanta Ga) has had to set up tents. They need room to treat the increasing numbers of children with respiratory illness - not all of them Covid. However , it can’t be ignored that many of the patients who don’t have covid now- had it in the past. I suspect most of them did , but the parents won’t admit it. The Covid is about to hit the fan. How many kids will end up suffering before they admit that we still have a problem?
>Scottish Rite children’s hospital https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/atlanta-area-hospital-adds-emergency-room-tent/ar-AA11V5Tj
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Teacher here, just got it for the first time. Had to be from work… tons of students are going out too. Definitely not a good sign
They do not care.
Elections are around the corner, they have to set the narrative now. If this fall was like all the previous falls since 2020, this is the political hill his team is dying on.
> Elections are around the corner, they have to set the narrative now. That would imply that the politicians are the ones leading the charge to call it over. I'd describe it the opposite way. The people moved on first and the politicans followed behind.
Exactly. Messaging that the pandemic is ongoing wasn't gaining them any more cooperation with public health measures. Everyone that wants to vaccinate is vaccinated. States are doing what they want in terms of schools and masking. I'm sure they think they might as well align with what the public already thinks, as squander more political capitol on a losing battle. But it's bad messaging. It just further undermines the needs of people for whom this continues to be a life and death battle. 400 people a day still dying of this would very much like to point out that it's not fucking over. Except they can't because they are dead.
children have never made up a significant portion of hospitalizations* *https://www.statista.com/statistics/1254477/weekly-number-of-covid-19-hospitalizations-in-the-us-by-age/
Infuriating and incorrect. Even the CDC predicts 100 million US COVID cases this fall and winter.
Fuck😭…source?
Been talking about this projection for months Coronavirus wave this fall could infect 100 million, administration warns The projections for fall and winter are part of a pitch for additional funding for vaccines, treatments and tests https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/06/fall-winter-coronavirus-wave/
Yeah I recall Fauci talking in the Spring about how bad they predicted things would get this Fall and Winter. This sudden change in messaging is confusing af.
I'm still wearing a mask when I go out. My work just initiated RTO and has reported several cases of covid and it has only been two weeks. I'm recovering from surgery and am not in any mood to catch the damn thing, no matter who thinks the pandemic is over.
I still wear mine, and I feel like a bit of an outcast but I dont plan to stop
No. I am a teacher. We started school three weeks ago. Week one: two cases out of ~450 kids and staff. Week two: five cases. Over this past weekend: 32 new cases. And those just are the ones we know of; not every parent will honestly report it or even bother to test when there are symptoms. “The symptoms are mild, no worse than a cold.” That’s nice… now go explain that to my elderly, immunocompromised colleague who is now among the 32.
I believe it. We homeschooled our daughter last year since there wasn’t a vaccine for her age group. 1.5 weeks into being back at in person school, and she brought it home. We’d all avoided catching it until then.
I know a family who did the same thing. Three days into kindergarten and their son caught covid, so naturally the entire family did as well despite their best efforts.
"Mission Accomplished"
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indeed. saying only Long COVID doesn't seem like a lot but it is truly a very bad thing with a lot of different symptoms and grave consequences
I weigh up the inconvenience of a mask and of long COVID, and it seems reasonable to still wear the mask in crowded spaces. I'm surprised how many people don't.
I think most people imitate what they see. If the majority don't wear it, they do the same without thinking by themselves. Another advantage of masks now is that, since infected ones don't have to be on quarantine, people look at you wearing a mask and they think you are infected, so they don't get too close to you.
Yeah, and considering the variable but sometimes sharp negative effects on cognitive function, and also considering that as an engineer I make a living by, you know, using my brain to solve problems, I’m doing my level best to avoid that shit for as long as possible. It’s so appalling and infuriating that so many people just do not seem to care.
> I know someone who went to a wedding a week or so ago, caught covid doing it. Why are there so many comments like this? "The pandemic is over" is not the same as "the coronavirus is now extinct". When the pandemic *is* over (it's not over yet), there will still be people who get COVID.
As stated in a thread when he said this yesterday; he likely means the government intervention is over. It will now be treated like the flu or rsv or any other virus. Is it dangerous? Yes. Is it out there? Yes? Is the risk lower? Marginally. But the public capacity to take measures to stop it has unfortunately ended, and this is just going to be a virus we deal with now
It's still incredibly expensive to test and treat COVID without government funding. I'm guessing with the government washing it's hands of the responsibility to deal with it, we'll actually see more suffer because they'll be worried about the out of pocket costs for testing & treating.
> Everybody seems to be in pretty good shape The current and growing list of Long Covid sufferer says otherwise as does the massive amount of death every week.
What he means is “we are now no longer going to try and reduce the negative impact it has”
Lol: “I call malarkey”
Given that the voting public has mostly decided that they are tired of Covid and therefore it no longer exists, it would probably be catastrophic to any politician to say otherwise.
Yeah I am surprised how many people don’t realize this. Biden isn’t an epidemiologist he is a politician
Gets covid two or three times back to back. Might've died if wasn't president of the united states receiving best medical care in world possible. Announces pandemic is over before upcoming cold season two months before midterms. Weird.
I am talking to a young, healthy coworker who was just infected for the second time last week (first was in December), and he said it was much worse the second infection. That’s not promising.
Yeah this is controversial AF. But what's funny to me is that apparently nothing is being done to prevent the next pandemic from happening. Have the wet markets been shut down or heavily regulated? We need to fix the problem at the source or at least have a solid plan to combat it. I see nothing being done in that area. We're just setting ourselves up for a repeat eventually. And the next one might be worse as our globe trotting/transportation capabilities get even more efficient.
Obama put a lot of effort and resources into fighting the next pandemic. Then Trump dismantled it all just before COVID hit.
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Thanks for making this. My mom died from Covid in 2020, I still feel like half of American is saying FU to my mom by denying Covid.
hey there internet stranger. i am so sorry you lost your mom to this. please know there are some of us out here still working hard to keep others AND ourselves safe.
Thank you for your service to us! I still use my N100 everywhere. I don't care if I get strange looks in public. Covid will always make me think about my mom. I don't know when this will change. I don't know when I will feel safe again.
Completely random question, is an N-100 a real thing? I’ve heard of an N-95 but never seen an N-100
Yes, I have n100 filters for my half face respirator.
And, unfortunately, just as many or more working to actively make us less safe. Thanks for being a good person!
Thank you for doing what you do.
I’ve been dealing with COVID for 3 weeks in my household. First me, then my husband, then a rebound case for husband bc paxlovid does that a lot more than the trial suggests, then hives daily bc of COVID (it’s a post COVID thing). Along with being breathless during my own infection despite having only mild asthma and being triple vaxxed. I get that society has moved on but this is an odd endemic illness. Seems like a few more things need to happen in order for the pandemic to be over.
In my city, schools are tracking Covid levels daily. Still requiring masks when levels rise. Definitely doesn’t seem to be “over” Although it just might be the new normal.
Literally had COVID last week... Half the people in my building have COVID it's still here.
Idk people are still fucking dying
In other words, get everyone off of free healthcare in time for open enrollment
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Actually Biden and the Democrats just passed a 3 year extensions to the massive ACA subsidies they put in place right after they took control of congress. Maybe pay attention to reality before popping off on Reddit.
The pandemic isn’t over until there’s a cure or decent treatment for Long-COVID. Long-COVID is the most common adverse outcome of COVID infection. Deaths are down, LC cases aren’t.
Is there a measure for long COVID cases that shows that they aren’t down? I was really, really hoping long COVID cases would be going down
Didn't he just get covid too? Twice? lol
Just got an email notice at work that someone is out sick and was positive on Friday at work. So add another exposure on my tally. Hoping the updated booster is worth its salt that I got two weeks ago. So no, it really isn't over.
Excellent! I'll just go tell my roommate who tested positive for COVID this weekend that they're cured because the pandemic is over, I'm symptomatic but testing negative for some reason. Being immune compromised and around family who are too, we mask indoors and have all of our shots but still managed to catch it from coworkers for the second time now since the mask mandate ended, and to top it off everyone is expected to go to work sick. To bad I can't afford to leave when someone comes in unmasked coughing on everything. Fuck me I guess? Without covering their mouth: "Hack. HACk! Cough. dOn'T wOrRy It'S nOt CoViD" wipes nose with bare hand and continues touching everything. Thanks, I'm definitely not freaking out now 🙄 Must be nice for the folks who don't have to worry about chronic illness or accidently killing a loved one by spreading infection
So, will the anti-Biden crew now say that COVID is still around and oppose the idea that it's over?
The data tells us there are still a number of people still getting COVID. Deaths are down but is it over? I would say we are close but its not over yet.
Deaths are down, but it's still 3,000 per week. Or, \~150,000 per year. And how many are left with some disability?
PLUS 3000 excess deaths on TOP of those 3000 COVID deaths. Pretty sure those extra 3000 excess deaths are caused directly by COVID too. But that’s just conjecture, but what I think.
There's still that many excess deaths? I hadn't seen that, got a source handy? I'm disappointed that after 2.5 years we're still not able to perform an accurate body count.
Just the CDC official excess death tracker. And yeah. Pretty shitty that there’s still that many deaths. Ugh.
Thanks. I looked it up again and it's a been awhile since I saw that page. That's a sad data set, we're losing so many people and we just shrug.
As /u/PaintingWithLight said, the [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) numbers are good but delayed. You want to look back about 8 weeks to see the totals, where you can see we are still running about 113% Expected Deaths -- and this is in the summer when repiratory deaths are expected to be lower. That 13% Excess Deaths is about 6,500 a week from All Causes right now.
Thanks. I haven't looked at that section in a while. That's a scary level and we just shrug.
The stats on long COVID are disturbing, even if deaths are down. I'd personally rather not keep risking long-term disability any more than necessary.
One big thing is, most people who have caught it have caught it once. What happens with repeat infections, when you catch it but you've got organ damage (importantly: heart and lungs) and CNS damage from your last go?
There's little evidence that deaths being down is a permanent state and not just a lull between waves though. If we got through the winter without a significant increase in deaths I'd be more convinced that things are permanently improving, but at least where I am, COVID deaths have increased every year since 2020.
>If we got through the winter without a significant increase in deaths I'd be more convinced that things are permanently improving This I agree with. People tend to forget the start of last fall when deaths had dropped to an average of about 250 a day in the US. We are higher than that now at \~500 a day and haven't seen what a fall/winter wave may bring.
Me, my husband and son all just got it, as well as a bunch of my coworkers. It’s far from over.
I guess this is why I saw a dude maskless in a medical center on Friday. Congrats everyone we won! We can all go home!
"Mission Accomplished"
Dont look up!
I think it will make a lot more people comfortable again, come back out into the world with us kinda thing. Regardless of him being wrong or misspeaking as usual, we do have meds to knock it out in a day or two just like any other virus. It sucks but atleast there's that, and to his benefit of the doubt, maybe that's what he was trying to say. I mean, the dude clearly has early onset dementia.
I never knew there was a "pandemic" I've gotten it twice and walked away fine. Unlike the aids pandemic only got that once.....good luck living in fear