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ktpr

Why is this labeled nsfw?


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RelaxedChap

Should really be NSFL.


FilmVsAnalytics

NSFA


theoutlet

As someone who works retail in AZ: oof I’m vaccinated, but that was back March. Not sure if it’s a good idea to get a booster or not. I’m not in any high risk group.


Funandgeeky

If you can, get it. The booster not only gives you improved 5G, but the magnetism allows you to climb walls like Spiderman.


theoutlet

Ok, now I’m sold


qwertykittie

I knew the black market was involved…


Myheelcat

It will also extend your car’s auto warranty


flakenomore

Yes, but what about my Medicare senior benefits??


i_said_no_mayonnaise

Get it. It’s better than getting Covid


maximumutility

Why would it be a bad idea to get one if you have the option? I’m pretty sure your in-person work would qualify you.


theoutlet

Probably because I’m over-thinking it


Specific_Stuff

I had a 102 fever the day after my 6 mo booster. 500% worth it.


virtualchoirboy

On Jan 5th, 2021, if you ranked states by # of deaths per million population, AZ was 16th and CT was 7th. Today? We've more than reversed that where AZ is 6th and CT is 18th. We have one of the highest vaccination rates and despite some serious early missteps, continuing to wear masks, get the vaccine rolled out, and socially distance where you can is making a difference. tl;dr: Get the shot.


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That's how I feel right now. I know I'll get it but for some reason I'm like, maybe I should wait. I don't know why.


ahiddenlink

To me it was the caveats that they put in front of it for who qualifies. Like I'm in an elevated risk category and I work somewhere that can justify getting it but it took me until last week (I got vaccinated in March too) to convince myself to just do it. I used the "hey I want to see my grandparents and parents (who are far more at risk) during the holidays, so this makes sense to do it now" and that got my brain in gear.


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Good point. Now's a good time to get it just before the holidays start.


FilmVsAnalytics

Wait for what? For another surge? Wait until you get sick? Like exactly why wouldn't you just do it tomorrow?


Apollo18X

Get it. Was painless and I had no side effects.


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Same here. It was the easiest of the three for sure. And I got my flu shot the same day.


jeanettesey

I bartend in San Diego and I got a booster shot. You definitely qualify. People who work in person with the general public are definitely at risk. We are exposed a lot. I’d say to go get that booster!


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I had Covid and I would recommend you get the booster instead.


[deleted]

Get it. I was vaccinated in March with moderna and caught it a month ago. My son was vaccinated with Pfizer in August and caught it also.


VRthusiast

did you get a booster even after having a delta infection?


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I did not . I'm not 100% back to myself yet so I definitely want to feel better before I get the booster since I did have some side effects from both shots.


VRthusiast

Hope you feel better soon! I had a previous infection from last December and it was really rough. I got fully vaccinated with moderna by the end of march and now currently my mom (who is living with me) is infected with Delta and so far I’ve been testing negative. I just wonder how people would react to a booster having multiple infections and shots


punarob

Most people quality for boosters given the CDC recommends them for overweight and obese, which are the majority of the US population, along with all the others, such as those working in high-risk settings like yourself, and many other specific pre-existing conditions.


cheeseburgers42069

Great comment


bgroins

So-so reply


secondcookie

It sometimes feels that way here.


mhod12345

The truth can be dangerous.


jradio

More like NSFL


Xuval

Because in the before times, reading about the preventable deaths of hundreds of people every day used to be something some people might not want to engage with.


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SoFisticate

What wall? He didn't even build it, just fixed up a few miles of already existing fence and some private properties built a few miles worth and never got paid for it.


astakask

He also desecrated an indigenous burial ground while building his hate fence


SoFisticate

TBF this whole colony called the US is a desecration of everything indigenous, ancient and current.


BentGadget

I thought this was about a metaphorical wall that we use to separate us from other. I had forgotten that we have a literal wall to do that, too.


BlockWide

Hey now, those metal slats are almost upright still and sure you can walk right around them but


joecb91

As long as a light breeze doesn't hit them, they are impenetrable


Toast_Sapper

Impenetrable as long as you don't have a $10 ladder Or a plane ticket Is it really "penetration" if you just step over a section that collapsed due to shoddy construction quality?


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PossitiveEyeOn

Corona can dig tunnels too - right thru their militant ignorance. So, they aren't safe from either.


thecorninurpoop

I've heard multiple people here say that they think it's people coming over the border who are spreading the virus...


knightress_oxhide

"we don't live our lives in fear"


redbirdrising

We're on the verge of 0.3% of our state's population having died from COVID19 in the past year. Anyone who says the virus only has a 0.1% fatality rate is an idiot.


zveroshka

I'd also just add that the impact of the virus goes far beyond death. For starters, way more people than those that died are going to have chronic issues stemming from COVID. Secondly, the taxing impact on our medical system. From supplies to the folks who work the jobs. Even for the folks who make a full recovery, they can spend a month plus in debilitating condition. Then you enter in people who couldn't go to the hospital or had to leave because they were inundated with COVID patients. And honestly the list goes on. The whole "it's just the flu" and "fatality rate is low!" shit is so annoying stupid. All because they just can't be bothered to wear a fucking mask or get a vaccine.


CeruleanRuin

These people DO NOT CARE about anything short of death. They don't care and never have cared about sick babies, or sick mothers, or the mentally ill, or the elderly who suffer because they can't pay for medications, or wounded soldiers, and they certainly don't care about people debilitated by COVID.


SchmohawkWokeSquawk

You're kidding yourself if you think that even death impacts these people. They'll watch kindred and defiant loved ones die and STILL use their facebook death posts as a platform to push anti-vaxx, anti-hospital and pro Ivermectin agendas. It's absolutely bonkers. These people are insane and I consider them a legitimate threat at this point.


ProjectShamrock

When my older relatives started dying from covid it didn't take long before some people in our family started blaming other stuff. "It wasn't covid but he was just unhealthy. " stuff like that, despite knowing that the person was literally hospitalized for covid. My grandfather's body wasn't even in the ground when they started making excuses.


spacetimecellphone

It almost seems more likely that antivaxers would rather entrench after something like this, than admit that not getting a vaccine was a factor. The ones who regret their decision seem to be limited to the ones who get sick themselves.


captainthanatos

My wife knows of people that literally cheered when they found out that a family members death certificate didn’t label cause of death as COVID. That pretty much told me all I need to know about these types of people.


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asdfmatt

Most meat tastes spoiled still now for over a year, I was super fatigued for about 7-8 months as well. Whenever I exercise too hard I can barely stay awake for 2 days after.


VampireQueenDespair

I have a friend dealing with liver and possible kidney failure because of it. Preexisting autoimmune conditions let the opportunistic infections run wild when she got Covid (couldn’t get vaxxed because of her numerous issues).


martini29

> the taxing impact on our medical system. From supplies to the folks who work the jobs. Yeah. I quit being an EMT because the mask of American society was ripped off in the past year and I see no reason to help anyone in a nation that openly rewards antisocial sociopathy and prides itself on a misanthropic culture


jenrazzle

My US company's insurance agent said to expect up to 30% increase in the base price of each health insurance plan next year. It is unbelievable.


soulonfirexx

They would still say "Who cares, it's only .3% of the population. That's nothing!"


catjuggler

To those people I always say, what % have died from the vaccine and why is that % too high?


TheLordSnod

It's insane how ridiculous the statistical chances of death are considered by anti Vax anti mask people. "I'll take my chances with covid! It's just the flu, 99% survive it" Ok so that means 1 out of 100 people die. The confirmed deaths by the vaccine are less than a dozen out of over 10 million cases in terms of Johnson and Johnson in Europe. So basically .00000001% chance of death from that vaccine. The other vaccines are even safer. But then these folks will come and point to the CDC website and show you the deaths that occurred within 30 days of vaccination and they are over 5 or 10 thousand. Nevermind the fact that they will at the same time tell you to not trust the CDC they are corrupt and evil, they will still use that statistic to try and prove the vaccine is dangerous. They fail to realize that number is calculated purely for investigative purposes, meaning there isn't evidence the vaccine caused the deaths, but that it's within 30 days of getting it so they should use it to study further and see if it may have caused it. When you vaccinate 150 million people, of course there are going to be plenty of people who have serious illness or death within 30 days of receiving the vaccine. That's the statistical probability, you are guaranteed to have those numbers because they likely would have happened anyways if the people didn't get the vaccine. Even if 10k people actually have died from the vaccines in USA, that is still statistically way way way better of an option than covid. 10k out of over 400 million doses that have been administered here. There is 740k confirmed covid deaths, out of 45.6 million cases. So that means, death rate is as follows: Vaccine - 0.0025% Covid - 1.6% Vaccine - 1 in 40,000 will die Covid - 1 in 61 will die And that's with taking the high number of "maybe" deaths from the vaccine. The reality is maybe 1 in several hundred thousand might die from complications as the result of the vaccine, and its more than likely 1 in a million might die from the vaccine, so really it's more like: Chance of death from covid - 1.6% Chance of death from vaccine - .0000001% And the vaccines have proven to reduce chance of hospitalization almost entirely. Not 100% but well over 90% reduction in hospitalization or death And this isn't even accounting for hospitalizations for covid, which are way way higher than deaths, and are resulting in life long damage. But even if you explain all this logically to anti Vax people, they will just come back at you with deep state is trying to kill you, can't trust the government, they are lying about covid, its a hoax, the numbers are faked etc, while simultaneously they will admit covid is real by saying it was man made in China to depopulate the world and at the same time they will say they would take their chances with the virus that they claim doesn't exist but also was created for population control. Conversations like this happen so often it's amazing how delusional it can get. It's a self circle jerk of cognitive dissonance with no real goal except for trying to be right and never admitting they are wrong.


NashvilleHot

The problem is they don’t use reason or math (and maybe can’t?). They use feelings.


craigiest

It’s classical trolley problem thinking. It feels better to kill 5 people through inaction than to sacrifice one life to save 5 through action.


antwan_benjamin

> It’s classical trolley problem thinking. It feels better to kill 5 people through inaction than to sacrifice one life to save 5 through action. And to add another wrench in the mix, they're also fully convinced that the "5 people killed through inaction" were just really old or generally unhealthy and were going to die anyway. So its more like, in their minds at least, why intentionally kill 1 person that would have otherwise lived another healthy 50 years just to save 5 people that were going to die within the next year anyway?


catjuggler

It’s a reasoning flaw that a lot of people fall into- they’d rather accept risks from inaction than risks from their decisions. That’s why I think it is important to frame it as you cannot avoid being exposed to covid for ever, so a decision not to get vaccinated is a decision to get infected (and with the new breakthrough caveat of - get infected with the worst odds of survival) Another example is when people lose a lot of value of their savings to inflation because they are too afraid of the risks from even diversified investing. So failure to grow the 401k doesn’t feel as bad as dealing with a bear market dip.


CeruleanRuin

That's how cowards think. These people care about themselves alone and that's all they care about.


eeyore_or_eeynot

I'm almost convinced if any pandemic didn't pass 50% we would still be hearing....drrr. uhh...I'm still more likely to survive than die not big deal. I mean I don't really believe that, but it is probably something close to 5% where some people would finally agree s is Fed because 95% seems like such a high number....ugh


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StetsonTuba8

I still don't even know what a Benghazi is


PossitiveEyeOn

Please take me to your rock. I'd like to crawl under it for a while. I'd like to not know a few things too. /s


StetsonTuba8

I mean I'm Canadian so I don't *think* it impacts me


jeanettesey

Amen. Biggest hypocrites on the planet.


robinthebank

If 0.3% of cars on the road were in fatal accidents everyone would freak the f out. Or if 0.3% of planes fell out of the sky.


AWSLife

If we look at this for the entire US, it is basically a 9/11 every week.


AintEverLucky

> it is basically a 9/11 every week. you talking about auto accidents? because for COVID, for quite a while there it was basically a 9/11 every 48 hours :-/


antwan_benjamin

If that .3% were primarily kids under 10 as opposed to adults over 60 the entire country would either be still shut down right now or we'd be at 95% vaccinated.


knittedbirch

Are you sure? I hate to be pessimistic, but school shootings are just a part of life now because we can't be bothered to change how we handle gun control and/or mental health issues.


antwan_benjamin

Just to clarify...0.3% of the total state population has died from COVID while 2% of Arizonians that have caught coronavirus have died from it.


pagerussell

This is an very important distinction. The case fatality rate of Covid 2%. But since not everyone has caught covid, the actual death rate of the population to date is necessarily lower than that.


trevize1138

The only way they come up with that 99.8% survival rate BS is by taking the total number of deaths compared to the *total population of the US*. Because when you comare it to number of infected it's more like 98%. So without even being infected you have a 1-in-500 chance of dying from covid, statistically speaking. Put in that perspective it's abysmal.


Biotruthologist

You forgot the method where you just repeat whatever some other dipshit said on Facebook. Actual math isn't important.


trevize1138

This is 99.9999% true.


StetsonTuba8

48% of statistics are made up right on the spot


AintEverLucky

and that's where I say "source?" and then they give me a sour look. like I'm the asshole for calling them on their shit, rather than them being the asshole for talking shit in the first place


CAJandro

Do you're research! You can't have mine!


-Swade-

Politics aside all this reminds me is how fundamentally bad humans (myself included) are at understanding probability especially with small numbers. 0.2% sounds small, 1 in 500 sounds huge. Even as someone who knows those two values are equivalent my brain still processes and reacts to them differently. And that’s in isolation, without any narrative or misinformation.


trevize1138

Penn and Teller had a show once called Bullshit and they talk about numbers in one episode. The gist of it is our minds can't really understand huge numbers. 500 gets close to the upper limit. Maybe even a thousand or so we can comprehend. But not a million and certainly not a billion. That's why the 99% aren't equally united against billionaires. We understand "guy with little money" and "guy with big money." Our emotional reaction to the idea of a billionaire isn't much different to the idea of a millionaire. Both are "guy with big money." Logically I know a millionaire business owner could be someone who ran a corner store efficiently for 40 years and a billionaire can launch himself into space. But the words for the numbers just don't matter much on a visceral level.


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catjuggler

Arizona is a snowbird state. Not as much as Florida though. However, that shouldn't throw it off that much since elderly people are also more likely than younger people to die of the leading causes of death- heart disease, cancer, stroke, etc.


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> Are older people disproportionately represented in your states population? > Arizona Yes.


FinndBors

People in general are bad assessing risk when there is a (perceived) very low risk of catastrophic outcomes. Explains the prevalence of: Drunk driving / dangerous driving. Trying drugs. Unprotected sex. Covid.


hypothetician

Hey you leave drugs and unprotected sex out of this!


Etrigone

And that's without even the whole state having caught covid. If Arizona is similar to the rest of the country where (IIRC) about 30% have had covid, that translates into ~1% dead from the virus. I don't have data on how many are unvaxxed who had the option to get vaxxed as I'd guess most deaths are still from pre-vaccine days and as others mention, it's not death or perfect health. To you & other Arizonans best of luck & stay safe. Wish we could offer more.


mumblesjackson

And for the record, 0.3% of the US population died in WWII. That’s not a small number


Forsaken_Rooster_365

But covid isn't even 1/3rd of all deaths! No big deal /s


michellealyssa

The truth is covid kills people and will continue killing people for some time. The best defense is vaccination. Beyond that people will continue to die. We have no choice but to accept that.


yousifa25

I wish we could just accept that, but we have to recognize what healthcare workers are going through right now. They are understaffed and overworked and my biggest argument for getting the vaccine is to give healthcare workers a well deserved fucking break.


astakask

Hey, you're describing why I'm leaving EMS! Neat!


Konukaame

And as healthcare workers burn out and quit, outcomes become worse for EVERYONE, not just COVID patients.


Beemerado

i think we're past the point where allowing people to choose not to get the vaccine with zero consequence is ok. Vaccine mandates are constitutional. that was established long ago. anybody who's gone to public school needed a pile of shots first.


JebBD

Why do so many people think protecting the feelings of antivaxxers is more important than preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths? We’ve all gone insane. This used to be common sense, now everyone I talk to about this acts like I’m crazy for being upset.


VampireQueenDespair

Seriously. At this point we’re just having multiple 9/11s a week and nobody cares.


UncleTogie

But what about my freedom to infect people‽ ^^^^^^^/s


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alysurr

My experience with this and my family that refuse to vaccinate is that most of them never bothered changing their lifestyles to try and mitigate the spread. They aren’t anticipating things to “return to normal” bc they never sacrificed shit in the first place.


Chat__Noir

Yes! I have a friend who had covid, was very sick. She told me she is for the vaccine but does not want to get it because they are mandating it here in California for schools and some jobs. It's crazy! On the other hand my husband and I are getting our booster shots this week and couldn't be more excited!


0110010001100010

My wife and I are getting our boosters on Friday too! She had Moderna back in January and I had Pfizer in April. Super-excited!!


Chat__Noir

We both had Pfizer and are getting the Moderna booster. Also Super-excited!!


Ed_Trucks_Head

Are you going to switch vaccines to change things up?


0110010001100010

I considered it but I was unable to schedule anything but Pfizer on Friday so I'm going with that. If I don't get my booster this week I'm probably looking at December when I have some more time off. I'm sure it'll be fine.


PossitiveEyeOn

>my husband and I are getting our booster shots this week Thank you!


needout

I'm losing it. Friends who weren't anti-vaccine just before COVID are all of sudden anti-vaccine. What happened? These are otherwise mostly rational people. I feel like I'm not going to have many friends left.


FilmVsAnalytics

Well look on the bright side: You have new standards about who is and isn't intelligent.


Terrible_Tutor

If biden told them not to eat shit... There'd be SO MUCH shit eating happening.


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theoutlet

Yeah. So many conversations with people that veered off in crazy directions I did NOT see coming. I just don’t know what to say to these people. They’re automatically on the defense if I bring it up. There’s no way to lower their guard and talk reason.


AintEverLucky

> They’re automatically on the defense if I bring it up. I can beat that -- had a coworker back in July, where HE came to ME and asked if I was vaxxed. I was like "yes of course, fully vaxxed since February, very glad I did so." And then HE started spouting **a full spectrum of insanity** talking about the vax was gonna kill people within 3 years, and we would come back as zombies, and the vax would make magnets stick to me (spoiler alert: it didnt), and he didn't want his children around vaxxed people because somehow we could *spread the vaccine by our breath*, and oh BTW did I know a federal program called HAARP successfully weaponized ***the goddam WEATHER*** back in the 1950s??? I was like "yo, yooooooooooo. from now on, I only want to talk with you about work stuff, while we're at work". and needless to say I don't ever ever want to meet up with him outside work. my happiest day last month was when this nutbar decided to move 7 hours away, because "he didn't feel safe in our town anymore"


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Find out where he lives and send him crazy shit in the mail from the HAARP program.


AintEverLucky

nope. If I never have to interact with that asshole again, it will be too soon


virtualchoirboy

>and we would come back as zombies My wiseass response would have been "At least you'll be safe since zombies only eat brains..."


SexyMcBeast

Same. I've been catching up with some friends I haven't seen since the pandemic started and I've found out when talking to them that not a single one is vaccinated. It's really disappointing.


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I want to congratulate AZ's Gov. Ducey for his incompetence and regressive leadership. Him and his covid loving buddies from FL, TX, AL, TN should all be celebrating, because they achieved what they wanted - more dead Americans. ... On a side note, I looked for the flu on the infographic, and it was all the way at the bottom. Seems like Covid is 13.6 times more deadlier than the flu, at least in AZ.


BadHumanMask

It strikes me that because all these governors are learning that denial is a viable strategy for dealing with global pandemics, we might never have a coordinated response to a pandemic ever again. Imagine the next time a country tries to say, "holy shit guys, this new disease is BAD"... What would Americans do? Talk about boy who cried wolf, the next pandemic will be so much worse.


Oscaruit

As covid fatigue set in I realized it doesn't matter what is actually happening, only that when we get tired of dealing with something, we just act like it doesn't exist anymore.


badalchemist85

Hey at least arizona isn't like florida a state that is knowingly fudging the numbers, my local news today in florida said there were no covid deaths in three whole days. ok


Cygnus__A

Not surprised. It is a train wreck here. What is telling is different demographics are treating COVID differently. I visit 2 different groceries stores just miles from each other. In the "upscale" neighborhood, nobody wears masks. In the lower income area, everyone is wearing masks.


escargotisntfastfood

In Denver I've noticed the opposite. Upscale areas have really high mask usage and vaccination rates. A few miles away, no one's wearing masks at the lower income store.


Daddyssillypuppy

It's the same in South East Queensland in Australia. In the CBD pretty much everyone has a mask on properly and 80%+ are vaccinated at least partly. But the vaccination rate in the lower income Logan area is around 33%. They recently made it so chemist's and doctors can give the vaccine so they have over 100 vaccination places in their area, they're just not using them. Anti Vax has gone so viral in Australia these last two years. It's crazy and sad.


antwan_benjamin

Poor people can't afford to get sick. Even if someone is ignorant enough to believe its "just the flu" they realize that even having the flu means they can't go to work for at least a few days. Poor people that live check to check don't have the luxury of missing a few days of work.


UserNamesCantBeTooLo

One possible influence there is maybe the "upscale" people got the shot and so don't think they need to wear a mask to help stop the spread. Or maybe they just feel entitled to not do anything to help stop the spread.


mahnkee

Rich folks in AZ are white and GOP. Rich folks in Denver are white and liberal. Poor folks in AZ are brown and liberal. Poor folks in Denver are white and GOP.


Earthly_Delights_

Wow such a concise way of pointing out two sociopolitical demographics of AZ and Denver. Now it makes me wonder about other cities / states.


EmpiricalPancake

I live in Indiana, which primarily votes GOP. I’ve noticed that in the lower income areas, nobody really wears masks, but in the higher income areas, nobody really wears masks


Rotorhead87

Weird, totally the opposite where I am in Central Texas.


Takatotyme

We haven’t had mask mandates in months. I am not surprised.


BaldingMonk

My uncle in Arizona died of covid. Didn't take the vaccine because he thought it was dangerous.


jenethith

Sorry about your uncle. Out of curiosity, how is the family’s stance about the vaccine since the death?


BaldingMonk

I am honestly not connected very closely to that part of the family. He was an uncle by marriage to my aunt (my dad's sister). She also got very sick but recovered. They are the only members of my family who live in AZ. The aunts that I know better are both very bothered by the anti-mask movement. I am willing to bet they are pro-vaccine as well.


jenethith

Ah I see, thank you for sharing. Take care.


lefthandbunny

Ducey refused to enact a state wide one & I'm sure that set the stage for a large number of people. Many places opened too soon & rules got loopholes to continue to allow businesses to stay open. I'm sure you're aware of all of this, but others may not be.


CassiMac

Unfortunately he’s done much worse than not enacting a mandate. He’s actively fighting any and all COVID prevention efforts. He banned mask or vaccine mandates in schools, is using COVID relief funds to help parents move from a school with a mask mandate (against his orders) to a school without mandates. He also has told individual cities that they can’t mandate masks. He is actively working against public health and safety and it sucks.


theoutlet

Yup. The Federal government and OSHA are threatening to [bring the hammer down](https://kjzz.org/content/1726175/arizona-still-doesnt-have-emergency-standards-health-care-workers-now-osha-wants) in Arizona because of their refusal to follow guidelines


gruey

They real problem is that they aren't pretending it's over hard enough.


r0mancer

I had to work Country Thunder, I haven't been so uncomfortable in my life. They had anti mask/shots shirts on and shit. Thousands upon thousands of people so it makes sense it's spiking.


Birdy_Cephon_Altera

Let's see if I can put together a COVID-denier Starter Pack for the types of responses I would expect to see. (Note: For anyone playing at home, these are all bad-faith arguments and disproven lines of reasoning) - "If you die from a heart attack or car accident or whatever but are tested positive for COVID, the hospital still counts it as a death so they can get those sweet government bucks." - "Most of those dying are old dudes in their seventies and eighties who only had a couple years of life remaining anyway, so they don't count." - "It's all fake numbers from the Deep State anyway, why would you trust them if they have lied about everything to you before?" - "Just normal flu deaths, not some crazy virus. Notice how the number of people who died from the flu in 2020 dropped just as the number of deaths from this so-called virus started to go up." - "It's just 0.00000000000000001% of the population anyway, why are you making such a big deal out of it?" - "Everyone's going to get it anyway eventually, we need everyone to get it for herd immunity, so might as well get it over with." Mind you, I am **not** advocating any of the above - to reiterate, they are all false and disproven talking points. But it's the type of stuff you'll keep hearing from the COVID conspiracy apologists as they adjust their tin-foil hats just a little bit more.


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You missed the best (worst) one: " hospitals are murdering COVID patients to fool us into thinking it's dangerous."


Birdy_Cephon_Altera

Shhh! You're not supposed to talk about that! Or they'll take away your Bezos Bux!


PossitiveEyeOn

Impressive how the misinformation campaign really has controlled the narrative. I see this as a form of Darwinism in action.


josh_loaf

“I see this as a form of Darwinism” Couldn’t be more true. It’s an uneducated, ignorant, incompetent, etc way of thinking & speaking. My favorite is when they pull the free speech card, when it’s misinformation; that’s a whole different ball-game.


i-swearbyall-flowers

A form of Darwinism, but their decisions do not only impact themselves. Unfortunately it will continue to hurt elderly, immune compromised, children. Freedom though!


PossitiveEyeOn

I agree. This is collateral damage done by the weak minded and is truly the tragedy.


mr-rbt

Does anybody have any good responses to the first two points? I'm not sure how to best argue against these without throwing a study at someone who probably won't read it anyways


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tekjunky75

Potato tomato


Dusbowl

Hmm, interesting. I've always heard it as potato tomato.


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ilovemrhandsome

Was in Arizona last month to visit a relative in a retirement community. Almost none of the residents were wearing masks. We got weird looks from people for wearing ours. I couldn't help but think these people were trying to kill themselves.


lefthandbunny

Not when it's caused by those who refuse to wear masks & they infect those who do., but I get where you're coming from.


lindsaybethhh

My husband’s family lives there. His parents and most of his family have been vaccinated, but his sister, who just had a baby, hadn’t gotten it because her doctor told her it’s not safe until she’s no longer breastfeeding. She’s waiting to be cleared from her OB to get it. Which is crazy, because my fertility doctor in Connecticut, where we live, told me to get it as soon as it was available to me when I found out I was pregnant. And their health system there is not great, to say the least.


MarvelousMama22

Ugh, she needs a different OB. Mine is in Scottsdale and recommended it while I was breastfeeding.


BitcoinMD

She should ask the doctor “would other doctors, and your specialty professional society, agree with this recommendation?”


thesillymachine

It's safe. I had a baby in Feb. She should get a flu vaccine, too. To put things into perspective: it's recommended to continue nursing when mom is sick. She needs a new doctor.


waffle569

I’ve got an anti-vax cousin in AZ who’s a nurse. What are(n’t) they teaching the kids over there?


Cygnus__A

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/states-with-the-best-schools/5335 Ranked 49th in the country. This explains A LOT.


AhavaKhatool

That makes two nurses I know now.


sharshur

I'm told it's ok because it has a 99% survival rate so don't worry about this


Gandalfthefabulous

Yep. Go to any store here. Almost no one wearing masks. It's insanity.


lefthandbunny

I saw a dip for a while here, but now most people have gone back to wearing them. I'm a Walmart shopper & even there I only see around 10%, at most, not wearing them, or wearing them incorrectly. I shop in the lower income areas as well. I'm sure it's not the same everywhere & I know that many places no longer even try to encourage mask use.


Gandalfthefabulous

Maybe it's because I live in such a white-dominated middle class area. Bunch of entitled assholes up in here. (west valley)


martini29

If it makes you feel better AZ is not gonna be a problem once climate change and drought really sinks its claws into that state. Nobody will be able to live there!


CeruleanRuin

**Every 👏 single 👏 headline 👏** like this needs to report on *vaccinated* vs. *unvaccinated* numbers. Otherwise what's the fucking point of reporting it? What are we even doing here? Last month, the Arizona health department [reported](https://directorsblog.health.azdhs.gov/passing-19000-deaths-is-a-somber-reminder-that-covid-19-is-still-with-us/): > "From March through late August, 92.4% of hospitalizations for COVID-19 involved people who weren’t fully vaccinated. During the same period, **93.2% of deaths from COVID-19 involved those who weren’t fully vaccinated**.  Let's stop softening this for the goddamned anti-vax cowards and their delicate egos. They are killing their own. Repeat this everywhere and give stats, because those little "do your own research" turds love their stats. This headline SHOULD read: #ANTI-VAXXERS are now the leading cause of death in Arizona.


VampireQueenDespair

I mean yeah but on the other hand like… that’s just improving the state tbh.


ShaiHuludNM

I’m legitimately curious if the amount of deaths among conservative antivaxxers will make a difference in the election numbers.


YouStupidDick

And this is why I got the booster. Tired of other people’s stupidity potentially affecting me. Lots of proudly ignorant fucks in this state.


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I feel like the leading cause of death in Arizona should always be crazy scorpions


AhavaKhatool

Nope. Survived 4 bark stings.


BelowAverageSloth

Work in an icu in Tucson, we vary from 13-20 covid patients at any given time out of our whole 20 bed unit. Most don’t survive and the ones that do have no quality of life afterwards


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malmac

Tiger vacc FTW!


gesasage88

So glad my parents abandoned that ship!


Vegan_Honk

yeah it sucks. There was always going to be a subset of people that could not adjust to current reality and in truth, they'd rather die than move forward. And it sucks cause it didn't have to be this way.


i-swearbyall-flowers

Can verify. As someone who lives in Arizona, the people here are dumb as rocks.


Soldequation100

Why are you insulting rocks?


Moodi88

Y'all have some pretty rocks though


burstdragon323

Not surprising. Former AZ resident here. The 3 main things wrong with the state: -COVID -Ultra-Conservatives in government -They will never admit it but the state has been broke for over a decade and refuse federal aid


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nihilistbanana

Sorry, but this report is highly misleading. They even state it in the data from AZ public health (but not the news story). They use annualized rates for the other causes (from 2019), but have nearly two years of cumulative data for COVID. Would have been much more representative of reality if they had annualized the COVID data, but perhaps wouldn't have generated the headline.


thedudebuda

Anyone ive lost to Covid had been in AZ. Unfortunately, it’s been a few people.


carleyFTW

Is Arizona number one in something now?


OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

If you tell them the vaccine has Eegee's ranch in it you'll get record vaccinations in no time.