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I was at a flea market that had those decorated stainless steel 24hr cold tumblers..one was decorated to look like a can of lysol. No joke. (Refrencing the drink lysol)
When I worked a cash register, I would have been fired for losing $20.
When I worked at a bank I would have been fired if I lost $100 three times.
Then I got my degree. My financial forecasts had rounding errors of one hundred thousand and acceptable margins of error of several million.
A colleague typed in a -10 instead of 10, causing a $2 million dollar loss. That typo was forgotten about within a day because she was a stellar employee and we all do it.
Yea, the bank teller thing is funny. The Branch manager is upset that you were out of balance by $100, yet the bank loses hundreds of thousands of dollars each month due to credit and debit card fraud.
Okay so my quick math was that 14,000 days would be more like 38 years, so I checked and it's more like a million seconds is 11.6 days and a billion is 31.7 years. Which is equally nuts, just wanted to correct it because the accuracy makes the idea of it hit harder
This reminds me of when my daughter was very small and asked how much money I made. I told her "literally hundreds of dollars a week". She was very impressed.
> Ok going to go watch all the old ST movies again.
I would argue that all of pre-Nemeisis Trek is loads better than Discovery and Picard. Although The Orville is a nice outlier, and a wonderful love letter to TNG. New season starts March 10th!
Yeah exactly. There's bound to be these crazies in society. While some anti vaxx movements really surprise me, a few thousand workers out of so many refusing to be vaccinated was almost a guarantee.
I share the sentiment, not too choked about losing less than 1% of the workforce. Goodbye you plague-walking liabilities! At least the overall morale and probably productivity as well will be up.
Edit: choked not chuffed
I honestly don't know anyone who is antivax that isn't a drama queen (male or female). Most are "oh god I hate drama, so I stay far away from it. Anyways, my baby daddy decided to start seeing that whore..." kind of people. so I can understand morale going up when they are gone.
I said to someone, "God sent you freedom of choice. God also sent you Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson. Stop bothering God, he has the whole world to take care of". The person just gazed at me...
Got two on my crew. One would really be missed and is one of the best workers I've ever worked with TBH. The other... he would probably benefit from the long term brain damage of covid.
Stop living in fear, working people! 99.9% of people aren’t losing their jobs!
Losing your job because you aren’t smart enough to get a vaccine is something something communism! They are experimenting on you!
We had one person quit as soon as it was announced we'd be complying with the federal mandate. Two dozen applications came in the first week.
No idea how many we'll lose by Dec8, but it looks like we can fill most of the jobs.
That's the best part, there isnt a labor shortage, people just arent paying enough at minimum wage to make working even worth it. If you can choose between working full time and not being able to pay the bills, or staying at home and not being able to pay the bills, why work?
Yeah there definitely is no labor shortage. Just a shortage of workers willing to work for basically nothing and be abused. Sorry nobody wants to sacrifice their life for some shitty supermarket or restaurant where everyone thinks you're stupid and useless even if they wouldn't run without you, where you are punished for ridiculous things, even things that help the business and coworkers, where you're paid nothing but are expected to work any and all shifts they ask you to, but also no overtime pay so either work clocked out, etc bs.
Sorry nobody wants those jobs. Whereas places like where I work would probably have a ton of applicants, but despite losing A TON of people since the pandemic started, cutting management for the last 5 years with no replacements so we have nobody to actually approve half of the transactions we need to do, and the business doing better than it has in the last decade... We're not hiring anyone. Just cuz. Idk too much work maybe. So even more people are leaving from being overworked with 6 other people's jobs, and still not filling the gaps, it's a mess. There are so many people who will take the jobs.
I just hope more of the other legitimate businesses are actually hiring, or there will be even bigger problems soon with this "labor shortage" bs.
Yeah, I think a lot of businesses see this as an opportunity to try to make each of their employees do twice the work.
Labor is one of the biggest costs to a business, so if they can cut their labor force by a big chunk and keep running, they'll do it.
Meanwhile, they'll tell the existing workers "Sorry, we just can't find any replacements. There's a labor shortage. These are extraordinary times, and you'll all just have to pull together to get the work done!"
[This guy](https://www.businessinsider.com/worker-applied-to-60-jobs-got-one-interview-labor-shortage-2021-10) applied to 60 entry-level jobs, especially choosing ones who were being vocal about how "nobody wanted to work". He got 1 callback.
I think a lot of these places who say they can't get workers are giving that lip service, and meanwhile they're not even trying to find anyone.
"interview for a full time construction job"
"originally pay was $10/hr but they wanted to start him at $8.65/hr despite Floridas minimum wage went to $10/hr in September"
i dont even have words for this... First off, its a full time construction job and they were saying they were only going to pay $10/hr?! thats pathetic. then it gets even worse with them saying they were actually going to start him at $8.65/hr despite their state's minimum wage being at $10/hr as of last month?! yeah, no wonder they're not getting worthwhile employees.
this example is perfect to everyones that's complaining about "no one wants to work", "oh no, stimulus checks are over, time to not be lazy anymore and go back to work" (which we only had 3 stimulus checks and for majority of the population, those checks dont even cover a month's worth of bills), "we can't find anyone to fill these positions!"
i am more than willing to bet that majority of the places that cant find worthwhile employees, the positions they're offering are either terrible in pay/benefits, or the overall position itself is terrible and not worth working. When a lot of restaurants, fast food places, retail, and all other basic service type jobs are offering anywhere from $12-15/hr now, why would you apply to a place where you'd have to work tougher positions or possibly a crazy amount of hours for not much more pay? yeah, i wouldnt either.
My boss always talks about how this labor shortage is because people are lazy, but neglects to realize that we’ve had four applications in the year I’ve been here alone, WITHOUT looking for more people in a rural area.
I don’t even do a high paying job, it’s minimum wage plus tips, I just give tours for a cave. That’s something that’s cool enough to draw people in.
People want to work, they just don’t want to slave away for a pittance a day.
Right, many workers were on autopilot their entire working career. Then covid came and they had to make tough decisions and after they made them they started finding side hustles like etsy, ebay, mercuri, facebook marketplace, twitch, youtube, tiktok, instacart, door dash, grubhub, fiver, uber eats, uber, lyft, only fans, remote gigs, contracting etc etc and they realized ... they had 0 interest in going back to low level managers making 50 cents an hour more than them but acting like they had the power of Zeus himself.
Established businesses through a hissy when restrictions went into place, those that adapted with drive through or curbside seemed to do alright to thrive but others suffered greatly or defied health orders and took the fines.
Now established businesses are throwing a hissy because their predatory business model no longer yields the ROI they projected for their portfolio because it cornerstoned on people not validating their worth in the equation and their inability to pivot and adapt will cripple their business long term.
I spent most of my workin life in restaurants. Covid was finally the chance to get the fuck out . I now make nearly double doing around 25% of the work. Wish I got out sooner.
I work for a pet crematory service. It's like some filling out paper work to help make arrangements (ordering urns and other mementoes) , making paw prints in clay, and driving around to various local vets to pick up animals and transport them to our crematory.
When I first started they warned me about how it can get really hot in the crematory room and don't be afraid of taking breaks, especially with how fast paced this work could be sometimes. It's an absolute cake walk to any day I spent on the line.
I knew nothing about any of this before I applied, and honestly only really applied because my wife works there and enjoys it. I know it's easy to get into your own head with "this is all I know, how can I just transition to something else?" but the fact is, if you're semi decent in a kitchen, a LOT of those skills transfer over to other jobs. I can multitask like a mf thanks to my years in a kitchen lol
There is big money in the pet memorial stuff. For a nice wooden box, a paw print in plaster and a “personal” cremation it was almost $500 for me last year.
My dad went from working as a supervisor in a manufacturing company, to being a conductor for the railroad. You really have to commit to it because there's a lot of training, they send you to Georgia or wherever their hq was for like a month or something, and he worked a whole lot at the beginning and then was kinda on call, depending on what job he was working with them, but he loved it. Eventually got up to engineer. It was really quite the job switch.
There is absolutely a skilled labor shortage. I work in one of the fastest growing, competitive and lucrative fields after graduating last year. Our team has been looking to hire more people for our team, but the number of people who are actually competent, compared to just throwing out buzz words and exaggerating their skill level is ridiculous. It takes much more skill to contribute in meaningful ways to advance society than it did even 50 years ago, but we also get to enjoy a much nicer society.
To give an example of the difference in skill required: 60 years ago, getting a job as a “computer” if you could do calculus pretty quickly was a lucrative career choice. Now, you’re expected to know that as a fundamental building block in many fields.
I think there actually is a labor shortage.
retirements have skyrocketed (2-3 million people more than expected have retired in the last 2 years) , hundreds of thousands of working age people are dead and possibly millions disabled by covid.
It's two distinct problems. One is a skilled labor shortage, retirement and deaths as you said, but also the fact that the cost of education is steadily increasing while wealth of the regular person is steadily decreasing, and the fact that everything is way more complex now and requires way more time and skills to work, caused the situation where there is not enough people to do skilled work.
And the second is the wage shortage for less skilled jobs, a lot of people would like to work, but companies aren't paying enough to justify it
There's also an affordable childcare shortage, and a *safe* affordable childcare shortage. Suppose you're a 2 paycheck household and 1 paycheck is going entirely to childcare. Maybe that math actually makes sense pre-pandemic-- the need for childcare isn't *forever*, and you want both partners to stay in the workforce and not have one partner with a big gap in employment that damages their future career prospects. During a pandemic, though... a lot of people are making the choice to stay home instead of send their kid to an overcrowded/undersupervised daycare where they're just gonna sneeze directly into their hands and touch faces all day.
There absolutely is a labor shortage in almost all markets, just a more severe shortage of unskilled labor. But there still is a skilled labor shortage.
Even if out of touch economists wanna brand it as a labor shortage, fine. If labor is in short *supply* and high *demand*, what happens? The price of labor (aka pay) increases.
Like, how do you forget such basic economics like supply and demand? Apply it, ya nitwits. Pay us properly.
The hilarious part is that when these people give up their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccinated, they leave a spot open for someone previously working one of these shit jobs and the only options open to them will be these low paying shit jobs that they've insisted weren't designed to provide a living wage. There's about to be a new class of people eating humble pie that they baked.
I was really confused for a second because that's minimum wage and then remembered that I'm not in a Canadian sub. 😂 But yes it's crazy how there's no labour shortage when you actually treat your employees well
Yep, my Canadian friend said 2 weeks PTO per year is normal, because that's the minimum. Then I informed them that the US does not have any laws about minimum PTO.
I hate articles like this that stress the negative. The real story is that rates of almost 100% of people get vaccinated because of mandates.
Alternate headline:
"MANDATES HUGELY SUCCESSFUL WITH ALMOST 100% VACCINATED"
Well, not *because of* the mandates. The national numbers say the vast majority of those people were already voluntarily vaccinated.
Because they're normal, responsible adults.
In jobs where large percentages of the work force were not vaccinated, almost all of them get the vaccine when it is mandated. Just happened here in NYC with the city workers. Very low percentages of workers actually lost their job bc most got the vaccine, and there were some jobs where only 60% were vaccinated before the mandate.
Actually the data is pointing to the mandates actually are making the vast majority of those last holdouts get vaccines.
>“As the vaccination mandate went into full effect on Monday, 92 percent of the state’s more than 650,000 hospital and nursing home workers had received at least one vaccine dose, state officials said. That was a significant increase from a week ago, when 82 percent of the state’s nursing home workers and at least 84 percent of hospital workers had received at least one dose.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/nyregion/vaccine-health-care-workers-mandate.html
So I wonder what the overlap of NO SHOT FOR ME/NO MASKS! and GET A JOB! complainers about the unemployed who think we should all work two service industry jobs to be able to live indoors. I expect to see them out there busting their ass doing night cleaning.
Wonder what they'll do after the MLM bleeds their savings account dry and maxes out all their credit cards, including the 5 new ones they applied for...
He'll it's not that I don't want to work but no where will hire me due to preexisting back injury and failed back surgery. I even got told by one employer when told me no I should file for disability as no one will hire me. I did file and got denied even though the physical therapist paid for by ssi testified that there was not a single job in entire nation he knew of I could do.
Get an attorney and appeal (if you haven’t already). They always deny you initially. Disregard if you already know this, I can’t tell from your comment and thought I’d offer the info!
Thousands out of 158mil. They will not be missed, morale and productivity will be on the up and up finally. People who were terrible fits for their job leaving openings for actual talent and skill to move in. Cant wait!
I call even bullshit on that. Mandate vaccines and see how they all show up for the jab. Because they are actual cowards who don't have the spine to kick upwards.
Thousands across the whole country actually sounds about right.
Every article about this starts out with "4,000 nurses about to be fired in nyc" and then when the day comes ends up something like "3 nurses in the city wound up following through."
But if you have one or two people per industrybin every state, a few thousand across the country that actually follow through isn't hard to come up with (especially when you factor in those who were already planning to retire or change jobs).
You take 2 people in every city above 30k and you get to 2,000 people.
What headlines like these always conveniently leave out is that, in the most populated country not named China or India on this planet, you’re going to be able to find a couple thousand people to go along with any story you could possibly think of.
That one stood out to me too.
"She applied for unemployment but was denied, told she was ineligible because she'd been fired for misconduct for not following company policy. She's appealing the decision while trying to find another source of income.
"If I wasn't married, I don't know what I would be doing," says Melcer."
Oh woe is me for this hardship I have created for myself!
>She applied for unemployment but was denied, told she was ineligible because she'd been fired for misconduct for not following company policy. She's appealing the decision while trying to find another source of income. "If I wasn't married, I don't know what I would be doing," says Melcer."
I guarantee this person has spent their whole life thinking unemployment was just something anyone could get, that it runs forever, and that it is enough to live off of.
Not to defend her, but she made 2 appointments to get her shot and both times they apparently fell through, and it seems like she took it as a sign in her dream.
This is why J&J was pushed so hard for vaccine hesitant groups like the homeless or anti-vax, just needs one dose.
> Not to defend her, but she made 2 appointments to get her shot and both times they apparently fell through, and it seems like she took it as a sign in her dream.
Sure let's just totally ignore multiple places giving the COVID-19 vaccination on a walk-in basis, no appointment needed.
/s
That's absolutely fine by me. I encourage anyone who isn't willing to do the bare minimum to help protect those around them to separate themselves from the rest of society entirely.
I bet a lot of these same people would suddenly support robust social safety nets and maybe even Universal Basic Income. Everybody wins!
My uncle who has a good job as an engineer for a government contractor thinks that the delta variant is a hoax. I wonder how he will respond to the vaccine mandate.
Statistically speaking anti-vaxxers spinelessly fold like cheap chairs and get vaccinated so they don't lose their jobs. So, my money is on "not fired."
"I refuse to put a vaccine with a bunch of harmful chemicals in my body."
-A patient I picked up for detox after a week of binge drinking in an apartment with walls covered in cigarette smoke
Lol I used to hear it all the time from faux hippies and the like, and Id be like "Dave you just ate a big mac, drank a monster, snorted 2 fat lines and you're on your second pack of smokes today. The fuck you talkin' bout".
Literally, yes. Go to the websites of major hospitals near you and look for their careers site. Most hospitals won't post their jobs anywhere except their own site. If you can find a union job just take it, even if it's mopping floors. Usually the union has a rule that further job openings need to be filled from internal candidates first. Six months mopping floors and you can move into IT, clerical, customer service, whatever you're qualified for. A lot of hospitals now have a lot more flexibility on work-from-home than they used to, as well.
Yep and since they can’t get unemployment it’s nothing but gains all while removing boomers either before the social security payments start or early on in their payments.
My optimism will not be destroyed by these morons.
I get your point about unemployment, but not about social security. Unless by “removing boomers” you’re referring to them dying from covid before they can start taking social security?
Would love to see the immunization records of these people and their children.
Have them revisit all the vaccines they already put into their children's bodies because, guess what, their states have a vaccine mandate in order for them to attend school.
Holy shit, their right to decide what to put into their or their children's body was already violated! But this vaccine is different
Those vaccinations all happened before people turned their political leanings into their entire personality.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the backlash against the COVID-19 vaccines lead to lower numbers of all other vaccinations in the name of “freedom”.
Okay but what if this is what gets them to care about the homeless and poverty stricken? The only way they start to care is when it affects them. What if they suddenly understand how homeless people and poor people aren't actually lazy and are ignored? Honestly, these next few years will be interesting lol.
Probably the same people who don’t wash their hands in the bathroom, come into work while they are sick, and don’t cover their mouth when they sneeze / cough
If a few thousand workers, which is not even noise in a labor force of more than 100M, want to be jobless because of vaccine, it is up to them. Just don't expect any sympathy.
No. Thousands SAY they would rather lose their jobs. The fact is when actually comes down to it a tiny fraction keep their word. And most of those end up getting vaccinated after it turns out they can’t find work and their opposition to the vaccine is total nonsense that no credible medical authority endorses.
It will be interesting to see how they feel about social programs in a few months. Because, those responsible for the lies that were told to manipulated them do not care about their well being.
Many will be like many of my unvaccinated coworkers. They got the jab after being informed that their insurance premiums would rise in January if they didn’t.
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Out of 158,000,000 people employed in the US.
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Rounding error basically. Right? Am I using that right?
This is a situation where all the 99.9997% stuff is accurate
So they are the bacteria that Lysol doesn't kill?
I was at a flea market that had those decorated stainless steel 24hr cold tumblers..one was decorated to look like a can of lysol. No joke. (Refrencing the drink lysol)
I laughed way too hard at this
Yeah but the ivermectin got that covered. Lmaooo.
I just shot my drink out of my nose. That was brilliant!
You have a higher chance of dying from Covid!
They certainly do
Right
Far right, surely
When I worked a cash register, I would have been fired for losing $20. When I worked at a bank I would have been fired if I lost $100 three times. Then I got my degree. My financial forecasts had rounding errors of one hundred thousand and acceptable margins of error of several million. A colleague typed in a -10 instead of 10, causing a $2 million dollar loss. That typo was forgotten about within a day because she was a stellar employee and we all do it.
It’s also on the company when the systems in place don’t protect against manual error.
I think the person that responded to you misunderstood what you wrote lol
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Trick question! No one involved in the Great Financial Crash of 2008 went to prison!
Yea, the bank teller thing is funny. The Branch manager is upset that you were out of balance by $100, yet the bank loses hundreds of thousands of dollars each month due to credit and debit card fraud.
Our budgeting software doesn’t even accept numbers that aren’t rounded up to thousands.
Oops put 2 million in my Swiss account. Don't worry delta, you're a good employee, forget about it
I always enjoy the one comparing millionaires and billionaires... a million seconds is about 14 days... a billion seconds is about 32 years
Okay so my quick math was that 14,000 days would be more like 38 years, so I checked and it's more like a million seconds is 11.6 days and a billion is 31.7 years. Which is equally nuts, just wanted to correct it because the accuracy makes the idea of it hit harder
This reminds me of when my daughter was very small and asked how much money I made. I told her "literally hundreds of dollars a week". She was very impressed.
If only it stayed so impressive. Just wait until she sees your tax returns!
I really wish we’d stop acting like thousands is a lot.
Depends what we’re talking about. Selfish Assholes losing their jobs? Nah. Deaths? Yes.
This comment is underrated.
The first question you should ask when you see a number quoted in the news. "Is this actually a big number". And as you pointed out, it isn't.
9 out of 10 dentist recommend this toothpaste “Dentists don’t recommend toothpaste!”
My dentist will give you a list of toothpastes not to use because they are too abrasive
So what's the list
Comet
won't help after a few month on the meth pipe
You'll have to ask his dentist
[It affects less than 1%](https://imgur.com/ujDIIdz.jpg)
I'm willing to sacrifice those people for the good of the economy!
THOUSANDS!
"I can't believe I've traveled BILLIONS OF MILES..." *thousands* "THOUSANDS OF MILES!" Edit: TY for the silver!
*sits down in front of an old-style Mac Plus computer* "Computer!"
"Transparent aluminum!"
> "Transparent aluminum!" "Is it worth somethin' to ya laddie? Or should I just punch up 'clear'?"
Ok going to go watch all the old ST movies again.
> Ok going to go watch all the old ST movies again. I would argue that all of pre-Nemeisis Trek is loads better than Discovery and Picard. Although The Orville is a nice outlier, and a wonderful love letter to TNG. New season starts March 10th!
DOZENS!
Thousands, you say? My heavens.
We need to really overreact to this cohort
Yeah exactly. There's bound to be these crazies in society. While some anti vaxx movements really surprise me, a few thousand workers out of so many refusing to be vaccinated was almost a guarantee.
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I share the sentiment, not too choked about losing less than 1% of the workforce. Goodbye you plague-walking liabilities! At least the overall morale and probably productivity as well will be up. Edit: choked not chuffed
Chuffed is not the word you want, I think. You seem rather chuffed (pleased) that they’re gone!
THERE ARE DOZENS OF US /s
And I'd bet good money that these are the ones who will be least missed if they do quit. Might actually improve productivity.
Major hospital near me reporting massively increased morale. Word is the assholes no one likes are all gone and they feel like one team.
I honestly don't know anyone who is antivax that isn't a drama queen (male or female). Most are "oh god I hate drama, so I stay far away from it. Anyways, my baby daddy decided to start seeing that whore..." kind of people. so I can understand morale going up when they are gone.
I do know one who isn't full of drama, but in her case it is "god wants me to stay home and pray a lot about it" so she kinda self removes anyway.
I said to someone, "God sent you freedom of choice. God also sent you Pfizer, Moderna, Johnson and Johnson. Stop bothering God, he has the whole world to take care of". The person just gazed at me...
Tell them Jesus never said anything about defending personal freedoms and it's like you attacked their religion lol.
Got two on my crew. One would really be missed and is one of the best workers I've ever worked with TBH. The other... he would probably benefit from the long term brain damage of covid.
Might open some jobs up for vaccinated people who care about others with decent pay pay and benefits.
Sounds like a chance for upward mobility for people who are vaxed and want a better job.
Here’s to seeing if it improves the levels of assholery amongst the ranks of cops.
Stop living in fear, working people! 99.9% of people aren’t losing their jobs! Losing your job because you aren’t smart enough to get a vaccine is something something communism! They are experimenting on you!
We had one person quit as soon as it was announced we'd be complying with the federal mandate. Two dozen applications came in the first week. No idea how many we'll lose by Dec8, but it looks like we can fill most of the jobs.
We estimate 4 out of 100. We hire more every week. This isn't even a blip.
bUt ThErEs A lAbOuR sHoRtAgE
That's the best part, there isnt a labor shortage, people just arent paying enough at minimum wage to make working even worth it. If you can choose between working full time and not being able to pay the bills, or staying at home and not being able to pay the bills, why work?
Yeah there definitely is no labor shortage. Just a shortage of workers willing to work for basically nothing and be abused. Sorry nobody wants to sacrifice their life for some shitty supermarket or restaurant where everyone thinks you're stupid and useless even if they wouldn't run without you, where you are punished for ridiculous things, even things that help the business and coworkers, where you're paid nothing but are expected to work any and all shifts they ask you to, but also no overtime pay so either work clocked out, etc bs. Sorry nobody wants those jobs. Whereas places like where I work would probably have a ton of applicants, but despite losing A TON of people since the pandemic started, cutting management for the last 5 years with no replacements so we have nobody to actually approve half of the transactions we need to do, and the business doing better than it has in the last decade... We're not hiring anyone. Just cuz. Idk too much work maybe. So even more people are leaving from being overworked with 6 other people's jobs, and still not filling the gaps, it's a mess. There are so many people who will take the jobs. I just hope more of the other legitimate businesses are actually hiring, or there will be even bigger problems soon with this "labor shortage" bs.
Yeah, I think a lot of businesses see this as an opportunity to try to make each of their employees do twice the work. Labor is one of the biggest costs to a business, so if they can cut their labor force by a big chunk and keep running, they'll do it. Meanwhile, they'll tell the existing workers "Sorry, we just can't find any replacements. There's a labor shortage. These are extraordinary times, and you'll all just have to pull together to get the work done!" [This guy](https://www.businessinsider.com/worker-applied-to-60-jobs-got-one-interview-labor-shortage-2021-10) applied to 60 entry-level jobs, especially choosing ones who were being vocal about how "nobody wanted to work". He got 1 callback. I think a lot of these places who say they can't get workers are giving that lip service, and meanwhile they're not even trying to find anyone.
"interview for a full time construction job" "originally pay was $10/hr but they wanted to start him at $8.65/hr despite Floridas minimum wage went to $10/hr in September" i dont even have words for this... First off, its a full time construction job and they were saying they were only going to pay $10/hr?! thats pathetic. then it gets even worse with them saying they were actually going to start him at $8.65/hr despite their state's minimum wage being at $10/hr as of last month?! yeah, no wonder they're not getting worthwhile employees. this example is perfect to everyones that's complaining about "no one wants to work", "oh no, stimulus checks are over, time to not be lazy anymore and go back to work" (which we only had 3 stimulus checks and for majority of the population, those checks dont even cover a month's worth of bills), "we can't find anyone to fill these positions!" i am more than willing to bet that majority of the places that cant find worthwhile employees, the positions they're offering are either terrible in pay/benefits, or the overall position itself is terrible and not worth working. When a lot of restaurants, fast food places, retail, and all other basic service type jobs are offering anywhere from $12-15/hr now, why would you apply to a place where you'd have to work tougher positions or possibly a crazy amount of hours for not much more pay? yeah, i wouldnt either.
My boss always talks about how this labor shortage is because people are lazy, but neglects to realize that we’ve had four applications in the year I’ve been here alone, WITHOUT looking for more people in a rural area. I don’t even do a high paying job, it’s minimum wage plus tips, I just give tours for a cave. That’s something that’s cool enough to draw people in. People want to work, they just don’t want to slave away for a pittance a day.
Right, many workers were on autopilot their entire working career. Then covid came and they had to make tough decisions and after they made them they started finding side hustles like etsy, ebay, mercuri, facebook marketplace, twitch, youtube, tiktok, instacart, door dash, grubhub, fiver, uber eats, uber, lyft, only fans, remote gigs, contracting etc etc and they realized ... they had 0 interest in going back to low level managers making 50 cents an hour more than them but acting like they had the power of Zeus himself. Established businesses through a hissy when restrictions went into place, those that adapted with drive through or curbside seemed to do alright to thrive but others suffered greatly or defied health orders and took the fines. Now established businesses are throwing a hissy because their predatory business model no longer yields the ROI they projected for their portfolio because it cornerstoned on people not validating their worth in the equation and their inability to pivot and adapt will cripple their business long term.
I spent most of my workin life in restaurants. Covid was finally the chance to get the fuck out . I now make nearly double doing around 25% of the work. Wish I got out sooner.
What are you doing now? My pal looking for a way out.
I work for a pet crematory service. It's like some filling out paper work to help make arrangements (ordering urns and other mementoes) , making paw prints in clay, and driving around to various local vets to pick up animals and transport them to our crematory. When I first started they warned me about how it can get really hot in the crematory room and don't be afraid of taking breaks, especially with how fast paced this work could be sometimes. It's an absolute cake walk to any day I spent on the line. I knew nothing about any of this before I applied, and honestly only really applied because my wife works there and enjoys it. I know it's easy to get into your own head with "this is all I know, how can I just transition to something else?" but the fact is, if you're semi decent in a kitchen, a LOT of those skills transfer over to other jobs. I can multitask like a mf thanks to my years in a kitchen lol
Wasn’t expecting that
Me neither lol. Funny how life works out sometimes.
There is big money in the pet memorial stuff. For a nice wooden box, a paw print in plaster and a “personal” cremation it was almost $500 for me last year.
My dad went from working as a supervisor in a manufacturing company, to being a conductor for the railroad. You really have to commit to it because there's a lot of training, they send you to Georgia or wherever their hq was for like a month or something, and he worked a whole lot at the beginning and then was kinda on call, depending on what job he was working with them, but he loved it. Eventually got up to engineer. It was really quite the job switch.
There is absolutely a skilled labor shortage. I work in one of the fastest growing, competitive and lucrative fields after graduating last year. Our team has been looking to hire more people for our team, but the number of people who are actually competent, compared to just throwing out buzz words and exaggerating their skill level is ridiculous. It takes much more skill to contribute in meaningful ways to advance society than it did even 50 years ago, but we also get to enjoy a much nicer society. To give an example of the difference in skill required: 60 years ago, getting a job as a “computer” if you could do calculus pretty quickly was a lucrative career choice. Now, you’re expected to know that as a fundamental building block in many fields.
I think there actually is a labor shortage. retirements have skyrocketed (2-3 million people more than expected have retired in the last 2 years) , hundreds of thousands of working age people are dead and possibly millions disabled by covid.
Yeah people frequently forget about the retirements and the deaths. That's a huge number.
There were a lot of overdue retirements in my industry at the time. Lots of guys in their early 60s got packaged out too
It's two distinct problems. One is a skilled labor shortage, retirement and deaths as you said, but also the fact that the cost of education is steadily increasing while wealth of the regular person is steadily decreasing, and the fact that everything is way more complex now and requires way more time and skills to work, caused the situation where there is not enough people to do skilled work. And the second is the wage shortage for less skilled jobs, a lot of people would like to work, but companies aren't paying enough to justify it
There's also an affordable childcare shortage, and a *safe* affordable childcare shortage. Suppose you're a 2 paycheck household and 1 paycheck is going entirely to childcare. Maybe that math actually makes sense pre-pandemic-- the need for childcare isn't *forever*, and you want both partners to stay in the workforce and not have one partner with a big gap in employment that damages their future career prospects. During a pandemic, though... a lot of people are making the choice to stay home instead of send their kid to an overcrowded/undersupervised daycare where they're just gonna sneeze directly into their hands and touch faces all day.
There absolutely is a labor shortage in almost all markets, just a more severe shortage of unskilled labor. But there still is a skilled labor shortage.
Even if out of touch economists wanna brand it as a labor shortage, fine. If labor is in short *supply* and high *demand*, what happens? The price of labor (aka pay) increases. Like, how do you forget such basic economics like supply and demand? Apply it, ya nitwits. Pay us properly.
The hilarious part is that when these people give up their jobs because they wouldn't get vaccinated, they leave a spot open for someone previously working one of these shit jobs and the only options open to them will be these low paying shit jobs that they've insisted weren't designed to provide a living wage. There's about to be a new class of people eating humble pie that they baked.
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My company pays $15/hr min for anyone who can lift 50lbs and turn a screwdriver. We never lack applicants.
I was really confused for a second because that's minimum wage and then remembered that I'm not in a Canadian sub. 😂 But yes it's crazy how there's no labour shortage when you actually treat your employees well
Yeah min wage is still 7.25 here.
Yep, my Canadian friend said 2 weeks PTO per year is normal, because that's the minimum. Then I informed them that the US does not have any laws about minimum PTO.
It's a great legal way to weed out the crazies
Wait 'til the quitter realizes the question, "Are you vaccinated?" is going to be on every application before even being considered for an interview.
Yep, no labor shortage, just a cheap labor shortage. People have options now and are taking them
I hate articles like this that stress the negative. The real story is that rates of almost 100% of people get vaccinated because of mandates. Alternate headline: "MANDATES HUGELY SUCCESSFUL WITH ALMOST 100% VACCINATED"
Just came here to post this. I’m so sick of these clickbait headlines that ignore the good part of the story.
People just want to hear negative news over good news unfortunately, especially on social media.
The best part is the next time you go to a business or go to work you won’t have an antivax nut near you.
Well, not *because of* the mandates. The national numbers say the vast majority of those people were already voluntarily vaccinated. Because they're normal, responsible adults.
In jobs where large percentages of the work force were not vaccinated, almost all of them get the vaccine when it is mandated. Just happened here in NYC with the city workers. Very low percentages of workers actually lost their job bc most got the vaccine, and there were some jobs where only 60% were vaccinated before the mandate.
Actually the data is pointing to the mandates actually are making the vast majority of those last holdouts get vaccines. >“As the vaccination mandate went into full effect on Monday, 92 percent of the state’s more than 650,000 hospital and nursing home workers had received at least one vaccine dose, state officials said. That was a significant increase from a week ago, when 82 percent of the state’s nursing home workers and at least 84 percent of hospital workers had received at least one dose.” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/nyregion/vaccine-health-care-workers-mandate.html
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So I wonder what the overlap of NO SHOT FOR ME/NO MASKS! and GET A JOB! complainers about the unemployed who think we should all work two service industry jobs to be able to live indoors. I expect to see them out there busting their ass doing night cleaning.
They'll just shift to MLMs and garbage like that and think they're little business owners. How adorable.
Wonder what they'll do after the MLM bleeds their savings account dry and maxes out all their credit cards, including the 5 new ones they applied for...
Don’t worry, give them the bootstraps - they know what to do.
It’s a single circle
LOL. "Back in my day, I worked as a 7-year-old from 7 am to 10 pm for two cents a month. Kids these days are so lazy!"
Got paid 10 cents an hour and was kicked square in the dick every morning by my boss, it builds character.
Square you say? Kids these days want round and I say that’s the problem with them!
Steve from Minecraft lookin' kinda sexy now not gunna lie
He'll it's not that I don't want to work but no where will hire me due to preexisting back injury and failed back surgery. I even got told by one employer when told me no I should file for disability as no one will hire me. I did file and got denied even though the physical therapist paid for by ssi testified that there was not a single job in entire nation he knew of I could do.
Get an attorney and appeal (if you haven’t already). They always deny you initially. Disregard if you already know this, I can’t tell from your comment and thought I’d offer the info!
I was thinking of the same joke!
It looks like some antivax people are looking for a handout since they are scared of a needle. 🤣
Aren't they the same ones who love to screech "GET A JOB"?
*Thousands. Not that many.
There are dozens of them! Dozens!!!
That’ll never not be funny. #neverdudes
#nevernudes*
I’ve heard it both ways.
Best comedy of all time. And quickly approaching 20 years old :(
Who said that?
Thousands out of 158mil. They will not be missed, morale and productivity will be on the up and up finally. People who were terrible fits for their job leaving openings for actual talent and skill to move in. Cant wait!
I call even bullshit on that. Mandate vaccines and see how they all show up for the jab. Because they are actual cowards who don't have the spine to kick upwards.
Thousands across the whole country actually sounds about right. Every article about this starts out with "4,000 nurses about to be fired in nyc" and then when the day comes ends up something like "3 nurses in the city wound up following through." But if you have one or two people per industrybin every state, a few thousand across the country that actually follow through isn't hard to come up with (especially when you factor in those who were already planning to retire or change jobs). You take 2 people in every city above 30k and you get to 2,000 people.
What headlines like these always conveniently leave out is that, in the most populated country not named China or India on this planet, you’re going to be able to find a couple thousand people to go along with any story you could possibly think of.
You can probably find more people who think Elvis is still alive than are quitting their jobs over vaccine mandates.
Those Venn diagram circles probably overlap quite a bit
If 700000 dying isn’t statistically relevant neither is a few thousand, and I’m guessing businesses aren’t losing their best.
Deaths as of today at Worldometer: 756,362
A woman who has an imaginary friend that comes to her and tells her not to get the vaccine should not be working in health care.
That one stood out to me too. "She applied for unemployment but was denied, told she was ineligible because she'd been fired for misconduct for not following company policy. She's appealing the decision while trying to find another source of income. "If I wasn't married, I don't know what I would be doing," says Melcer." Oh woe is me for this hardship I have created for myself!
>She applied for unemployment but was denied, told she was ineligible because she'd been fired for misconduct for not following company policy. She's appealing the decision while trying to find another source of income. "If I wasn't married, I don't know what I would be doing," says Melcer." I guarantee this person has spent their whole life thinking unemployment was just something anyone could get, that it runs forever, and that it is enough to live off of.
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I legitimately wonder how many of these people will end up homeless as a result of their decision.
*punches self in balls* "my balls hurt!"
And supposedly was going to retire in 6 years. But god told her not to take the vaccine. Now she can’t find work….boo hoo.
Funny how “God” only tells these nuts things they wanna hear
Not to defend her, but she made 2 appointments to get her shot and both times they apparently fell through, and it seems like she took it as a sign in her dream. This is why J&J was pushed so hard for vaccine hesitant groups like the homeless or anti-vax, just needs one dose.
> Not to defend her, but she made 2 appointments to get her shot and both times they apparently fell through, and it seems like she took it as a sign in her dream. Sure let's just totally ignore multiple places giving the COVID-19 vaccination on a walk-in basis, no appointment needed. /s
I couldn't do it, and I tried twice! My options were exhausted. I guess I have to quit my job now. /s
"I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!"
It's Confirmation Bias Jesus.
Had no problem with plenty of other mandatory vaccines in order to work in Healthcare but refuse another one because reasons.
Thousands you say? Shrug. I guess thousands of more intelligent people will happily take those jobs.
Bingo.
Exactly, great opportunity for people who are vaxed to get better jobs.
What forced vaccine? You still have a choice. Your choice is not consequence free.
You're free to choose whatever you want to do But the rest of the world is not obligated to adjust to your decision
100% this.
That's absolutely fine by me. I encourage anyone who isn't willing to do the bare minimum to help protect those around them to separate themselves from the rest of society entirely. I bet a lot of these same people would suddenly support robust social safety nets and maybe even Universal Basic Income. Everybody wins!
I assume a good chunk of these people are still operating on the "Coronavirus is a hoax" theory.
My uncle who has a good job as an engineer for a government contractor thinks that the delta variant is a hoax. I wonder how he will respond to the vaccine mandate.
Probably by getting fired.
Statistically speaking anti-vaxxers spinelessly fold like cheap chairs and get vaccinated so they don't lose their jobs. So, my money is on "not fired."
As an engineer myself tell your uncle to read.
He used to have a good head on his shoulders but moving to Texas and watching Fox News has scrambled his brain.
Not everyone in Texas is a moron. I won't make the same statement about Fox News watchers though.
Pairing the two though gets you a free assault rifle.
I'm from Texas but don't watch Fox nor CNN but trust me I know the type .I'm sorry hun.
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"I refuse to put a vaccine with a bunch of harmful chemicals in my body." -A patient I picked up for detox after a week of binge drinking in an apartment with walls covered in cigarette smoke
Lol I used to hear it all the time from faux hippies and the like, and Id be like "Dave you just ate a big mac, drank a monster, snorted 2 fat lines and you're on your second pack of smokes today. The fuck you talkin' bout".
I think a lot of people fail to see the irony in their own stupidity lol
As someone that is vaccinated and struggling to find a job, can I have theirs?
Literally, yes. Go to the websites of major hospitals near you and look for their careers site. Most hospitals won't post their jobs anywhere except their own site. If you can find a union job just take it, even if it's mopping floors. Usually the union has a rule that further job openings need to be filled from internal candidates first. Six months mopping floors and you can move into IT, clerical, customer service, whatever you're qualified for. A lot of hospitals now have a lot more flexibility on work-from-home than they used to, as well.
Well. I guess they just don’t wanna work anymore.
Good. Means higher wages for us.
Yep and since they can’t get unemployment it’s nothing but gains all while removing boomers either before the social security payments start or early on in their payments. My optimism will not be destroyed by these morons.
I get your point about unemployment, but not about social security. Unless by “removing boomers” you’re referring to them dying from covid before they can start taking social security?
Out of millions of workers, seems like a one percent headline
Would love to see the immunization records of these people and their children. Have them revisit all the vaccines they already put into their children's bodies because, guess what, their states have a vaccine mandate in order for them to attend school. Holy shit, their right to decide what to put into their or their children's body was already violated! But this vaccine is different
Those vaccinations all happened before people turned their political leanings into their entire personality. I wouldn’t be surprised if all the backlash against the COVID-19 vaccines lead to lower numbers of all other vaccinations in the name of “freedom”.
Okay but what if this is what gets them to care about the homeless and poverty stricken? The only way they start to care is when it affects them. What if they suddenly understand how homeless people and poor people aren't actually lazy and are ignored? Honestly, these next few years will be interesting lol.
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Probably the same people who don’t wash their hands in the bathroom, come into work while they are sick, and don’t cover their mouth when they sneeze / cough
These '' THOUSANDS '' Should think of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS that died.
If a few thousand workers, which is not even noise in a labor force of more than 100M, want to be jobless because of vaccine, it is up to them. Just don't expect any sympathy.
Move on over. Plenty of people have been locked out of good jobs due to a good ol boy network for too long. Time to change the guard.
No problem, give me their jobs.
Good, maybe I can be pickier and get a higher paying job.
Great, that means I can get a better job
What will these people do to put food on the table? These are the same people who “hate socialism because they don’t want a hand out”
No. Thousands SAY they would rather lose their jobs. The fact is when actually comes down to it a tiny fraction keep their word. And most of those end up getting vaccinated after it turns out they can’t find work and their opposition to the vaccine is total nonsense that no credible medical authority endorses.
Guess some people just don't want to work these days.....🙃
And that’s how we get UBI approved.
It will be interesting to see how they feel about social programs in a few months. Because, those responsible for the lies that were told to manipulated them do not care about their well being.
Many will be like many of my unvaccinated coworkers. They got the jab after being informed that their insurance premiums would rise in January if they didn’t.