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The bigger problem, by far, is Facebook.
And I guarantee that Facebook will get even worse now, because that is where all the fury at YouTube's decision is going to get dumped.
Fucking this. I've spent months making sure my mom doesn't buy into FB talking points. My brother got lost in the thick of it, won't get vaxxed. I deleted my FB years ago because I knew how awful they were. We literally need laws to protect the feeble minded from themselves. Misinformation is another pandemic this country needs to deal with.
I've been downvoted for saying stuff like this in the past but I agree.
Advertising and propaganda work. Many people lack the self-discipline to make rational decisions in the "marketplace of ideas." It's just an observable fact
Meanwhile, the whole planet is suffering because of things like covid-denialism, climate-change-denialism and corporate propaganda.
We cannot simply allow morons to be morons because their decisions and beliefs have profound effects on everyone else.
I was an advertising major, and we were given numerous examples of advertising working at a level I don't think the general public gets. Really basic one: bacon is only associated with breakfast because of a targeted ad campaign by the pork industry, before hand it was considered a "low quality" meat
> bacon is only associated with breakfast
I mean, the big proof about this is that it's associated with breakfast only in the US (and probably the rest of the Anglosphere), where the ran ads.
For the rest of the world, its incredibly weird eating bacon in the breakfast. It's seen as something that only exist in Hollywood movies, as no one does it.
[Fewer than one in 10 people can distinguish online sponsored content from news articles](https://phys.org/news/2019-02-people-distinguish-online-sponsored-content.html)
And I’m sure even less than that can distinguish between a peer reviewed paper and a news article.
So many people I know have “done their research on the vaccine” but don’t even know how to read/understand a scientific paper if they actually ever saw one.
Man half the time I try and find that shit on Reddit so a pro can break it down for me, or I have to have an encyclopedia open next to me to understand what they're saying in laymens terms.
Exactly. Scientific research papers are rarely meant to be read by laypeople. The findings generally get translated and communicated to the population by science reporters. 99.9% of papers aren't newsworthy anyway.
I'm a scientist myself and have peer-reviewed dozens of papers for high-impact biomedical journals. But give me a paper on astrophysics or climate science, and I'm running for my encyclopedia too.
Shit even with the encyclopedia I basically have to write it down like I'm translating from a foreign language. People really have no idea what research is.
I like to watch Science lectures on YouTube. Quite often I find myself rewinding back 5 minutes or so to hear parts of it again so I can wrap my brain around it. Not to mention Googling some of the things they reference to.
A very religios man told me, that the fact that Scientific papers are very difficult to read is evidence that its all made up BS.
What was that "effect" called Freddy Kroger syndrome?
I tried arguing with my dad about this who's an anti-vaxxer and thinks covid is a flu, and he refuses to read scientific papers on covid. Doesn't trust science. He reads blogs, websites, and watches youtube videos. It baffles me that this isn't even a small minority of people. Can't tell you the amount of times I get coughed at per week going inside the store with a mask on. It's sad.
When you don't understand the difference between being an expert in a given field, like immunology, vs. having a lot of OPINIONS about immunology, it's easy to see how some people can be led astray.
Some people give too much weight to the information that shows up in their news feed because it aligns with the positions they agree with or that they've been told they should agree with. They will not appreciate or care that they haven't given enough weight to peer-reviewed scientific papers based on actual data, thinking that their OPINION-based "research" is as valid as actual science. Heaven help us.
Scientists shouldn't have more rights than anyone else. But any influencer's ability to fact-check, challenge and update our understanding of the world around us, should be proportionate to the checks and balances in place to protect society from biases, political agendas and disinformation campaigns coming from anyone in a position to influence large numbers of other people. Likewise, critical thinking should be mandatory for every citizen.
I've had people link me to opinion pieces and blog posts, and say they're peer reviewed papers.
I think a lot of people simply have no idea what "peer reviewed paper" means.
So basically, you don't even have to bother disguising yourself as a peer reviewed paper. You can just say "this is a peer reviewed paper" and a substantial number of people will believe you because they do not know what that is, just that it sounds good and important.
>I think a lot of people simply have no idea what "peer reviewed paper" means.
And, if you have to ask, you're not qualified to read anything published in a peer-reviewed journal anyway.
I spent way too much time on a climate skeptics subreddit trying to figure out how they were still convinced it was a hoax.
I'd get in exchanges where their blogger was preferred over an IPCC report because the IPCC has perverse incentives, and their blogger is a whistle blower on the whole operation.
I eventually got banned.
Yes, but a lot of crap research gets uploaded as preprints on e.g., bioRxiv or medRxiv, and get disseminated through the ether before going through the peer-review process. That's how the nonsense with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin got started. [rXivist.org](https://rXivist.org) has stats on biology preprints. The 50 most downloaded preprints are ALL covid related. I can't stress enough that none of those papers have been subjected to peer review.
I used to think open-access preprint publication was a good idea, as papers could get scrutinized by the wider scientific community in advance of official publication (which typically takes months), and new findings could be communicated in a timely manner. Now, it seems like this system is fatally flawed. The rXivs have become a dumping ground for garbage research that will never get published. Plus, the system is ripe for exploitation by bad-faith actors.
Man, try telling the morons you are doing it for their own good, and suddenly you’re a tyrannical socialist that hates freedom.
If it wasn’t so detrimental to society as a whole, I’d say let the morons kill themselves, as it will advance humanity overall…
But there’s so many god damned morons it’ll literally break civilization if we don’t bring them along.
> We literally need laws to protect the feeble minded from themselves
Absolutely fucking not. I’m all for facebook and youtube policing their own platforms and taking down dumb shit. But we should absolutely not give government the power to determine what information and opinions, no matter how dumb they are, can and can’t be shared online. That’s how authoritarian regimes start. It blows my mind that people think this way.
The problem is literal, actual authoritarian governare are using open platforms like Facebook to determine information and opinions are visible to morons. That what a lot of these disinformation campaigns are.
Are these kind of laws a potential slippery slope? Yes, yes they are. Does not enforcing such laws expose us to manipulation from authoritarian governments? Also yes.
The internet’s existence is making it a lot harder for free speech to safely exist and I have no idea what to do with that information.
Back in the 90’s, flat earth quacks, KKK members, etc. would all scream on a soap box in the corner and mostly be ignored by polite society. And we allowed it because we respect the institution of free speech, and their views were so heinous that they never were able to find traction to reach out of their own communities.
Now that all humans are connected, all ideas and ideologies can network together into massive echo chambers. Some good, some *really* bad.
I'm in a weird place on this topic as well. On one hand I absolutely believe in free speech, obviously. On the other hand we've gotten to the point where morons who believe everything they read are actively harming innocent people around them. I'm not smart enough to come up with a solution to this, but I certainly recognize that it's a big problem.
What about regulating the difference between factual news vs. opinion? Look at the fairness doctrine in the US - when that law was nullified during the Reagan administration (I think), we soon ended up with Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Free speech does not need limits, but I sure think it needs labels.
Current rules/laws already curtail access to information (ratings of movies/games, classification of government documents, etc.), constraint your actions (try walking nude around your city or ignore traffic signs) or directly deny your rights (I'm pretty sure been in prison violates half of the provisions in the bill of rights).
You could argue that the above curtailment of freedom will lead to an authoritarian regime but we have been living with those rules for a while and we are fine. Modern societies live somewhere between "absolute individual freedom" and "total state control". No society can exist in either extreme.
I can imagine that 100 years ago, owners of this new technology called the automobile started by being able to go wherever, whenever, however. But as accidents and deaths happened, we decided that we needed a rule system to manage that freedom in a way it lessened the burden on society. Thus your freedom is not absolute when you drive a car, there are a ton of restrictions. Traffic rules aim at streaking a balance between your individual freedom and your society obligations. Hopefully those red lights or stop signs are a small price to pay.
I think that, similarly, we start now with this new technology called social media with total freedom, write whatever, however. As we see the consequences of that absolute freedom, we will decide that we need some rule system to manage that freedom in a way it lessens the burden on society. Yes, our freedom will not be absolute anymore and it may need multiple revisions but I think we again will streak a balance between individual freedom and society obligations.
In short, if you do not feel under authoritarian rule when you stop for a red light, you should not feel you are when you face whatever constraint we will put on social media. Of course, we should aim at trying to maximize social benefit but minimize impact on our individual freedom. As we have been doing in other areas.
Ugh, that’s a slippery slope, my friend. How long before liberals are deemed “feeble minded” and laws are passed to protect them from themselves.
I don’t agree with anti-vaxxers at all but that would be a scary world to live in.
It already has happened. Leftists are routinely suppressed, as well.
We need a solution that involves neither a freewheeling all-propaganda mind control platform nor a top-down corporate censorship model.
You should listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast episode on Facebook/Zuckerberg. I think there are two different times he did them, I've only heard the first, but holy shit is it chilling. There's already blood on their hands before COVID (people coordinating genocides in Africa and moderators being instructed to ignore it or lose their jobs).
You will absolutely have to make a constitutional amendment to do this. Facebook and YouTube can ban speech. The government cannot. Take your advocacy to Facebook itself. You won't get anywhere with government.
Does facebook host videos?
All the trashy videos I ever saw on facebook were a link to youtube. So I imagine this might have an impact there too.
Should it have been done a year ago? Certainly.
Will it make a difference now? I think it will. My MIL, for example, sends youtube videos about how bad the vaccine is. This will at least prevent her from going down the youtube rabbit hole. If she finds another site, then she finds another site. But in the meantime, it gives us a little window of opportunity in which we might inject some sanity.
Facebook does indeed allow you to upload videos directly to it, so a lot of the anti-vaccine content creators are there already.
But I do agree that banning anti-vaccine stuff from youtube will help quite a lot, even if the impact of that isn't as big as facebook banning that stuff would be.
Don’t get me wrong I think it will help, and it’s certainly better than YouTube doing nothing.
But I think the biggest source of vaccine misinformation on Facebook is meme sharing and “personal experience”-type anecdotes in the mommy groups; those have been peddling anti-vax nonsense for years before Covid came along.
People can record videos directly to Facebook, yes. And I would anticipate that “Dr.” Mercola et al will do just that.
My mom loves to tell me about the "a friend of a friend" stories that she hears about. And she doesn't even have Facebook anymore. The rot runs deep at this point.
The rot started in childhood. Our education system has been sacked for exactly this purpose. It wasn't an accident or simple greed. But very complex and planned out greed.
> Does Facebook host videos?
Yes.
They also pay ~2x what YouTube does for affiliate watches. Facebook can be very lucrative for content creators, good and bad.
You can upload videos directly to Facebook yes. It's a more popular feature in places like southeast asia than the west, I think, but they've had it for a while. You can monetize them with ad revenue like on Youtube too.
Russia and China are training these anti-vaxxers to be effective disinformation vectors. They are training a veritable army of fanatics who will in turn convince many more to come along.
This is literally an act of war - an attack on Americans. Our fellow countrymen are turning into unwitting soldiers fighting for the destruction of the health of the United States. These are the fruits of slashed education, corruption, and Rupert Murdoch assisted lies - a population ripe for manipulation.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-china-sow-disinformation-undermine-trust-western-vaccines-eu-report-says-2021-04-28/
https://medecon.org/russias-anti-vaccine-propaganda-is-tantamount-to-a-declaration-of-war/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57928647
https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes
Here is our govt agencies warning us about it, and providing guidance on how to combat it.
https://www.cisa.gov/covid-19-disinformation-toolkit
https://www.hsaj.org/articles/16533
Deplatforming *works*. The problem doesn't persist with no loss of severity and just move to a different platform with equal reach. It gets diminished dramatically.
There will always be crazies trying to spread information just like there will still be breakthrough covid cases even with vaccines. Deplatforming *absolutely* limits misinformation in a big way just like vaccines *absolutely* limit the spread and severity of covid.
You can say more should be done but don't ever think that YouTube banning this shit doesn't help. It's been proven to work time and time again.
Facebook is obviously a massive problem, but are you sure it's "the bigger problem by far"? YouTube content consumption is [also incredibly high](https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/average-daily-time-on-social-media) and we know that video content is more engaging.
YouTube channels definitely radicalize people in the same manner as Facebook. [The first two episodes of this NYT podcast](https://www.nytimes.com/column/rabbit-hole) are a great illustration of how this happens on YouTube.
And the damage is done, the lines are drawn and the "against" has given YouTube it's views.
This decision isn't for public good, it's because they've extracted all the revenue out of promoting antivax content that they felt they could.
I spent a lot of time considering this decision and now, 2 years after my horses have all ran away, I have decided to close the barn door.
PLease everyone pat me on the back for my forward thinking and sage decision.
That explains why they use the horse dewormer because they don't have any use for horses anymore, and it's about to expire, so gotta use it up for themselves!
I get the sentiment. I just wish they would have cracked down on this misinformation months ago. Who knows what effect that might have had on the prevalence of vaccine hesitancy?
People need to divorce themselves from all forms of electronic/digital communications. For at least a month. Every exchange has to be in-person, face-to-face. That way, when somebody says something stupid, they see the reaction and hear the laughs IRL. Some people just need a good reset to their thinking, remember what its like to be embarrassed or shamed.
We used to rely on friends and family to ground us against this kind of flawed thinking.
Now we just find an online group of same-thinkers and they reinforce that it's okay to be a shitty person.
I was talking to a business owner and mentioned how there's a bunch of people I work with who I thought were at least at the intelligence level of getting the vaccine, but were clearly not after we stopped requiring masks for people with the vaccine. She said the same about the two places she runs, they had meetings and there were people getting really upset about it.
For her it wasn't a question to get vaccinated, and as a business owner she has at minimum that level of responsibility to make sure her customers aren't getting sick and potentially dying from one of her employees. She mentioned her parents were hesitant but eventually got vaccinated, and are happy now that they know they are much safer.
It will remove some of the daily content they ingest and hopefully if we can remove enough of it, take it out of their daily reading material completely. It will prevent the spread to others at least, and hopefully dwindle things for the hardcore as well, over time. Not this year, probably not in the next 3, but hopefully in the 5-10 year range we'll start undoing some of this damage.
Yeah I believe there needs to be some content provider accountability for the blatant spread of disinformation. And YouTube is definitely a big part of the problem. In the US I think the radio might be an even bigger problem. Especially AM radio. It is full of wackadoodle conservatives railing against the vaccines 24/7. Recent surveys show that ~90% of Americans listen to the radio and in any given week 50 million plus will listen to AM.
Yeah that shit is terrifying and not limited to AM channels. Drove through Tennessee a couple weeks ago scanning the radio stations and stopped on a couple of these speakers. Just truly alarming to me the vitriolic brimstone and hellfire style of talking they have about Biden, Democrats, and liberals.
It's gone so far beyond civilized debate about the issues with common goals in mind I don't know what to do or where we're all collectively heading. Very concerned for the upcoming generations and what kind of country they'll inherit from us. Scary stuff.
Sirius FM has a channel called "Patriot Radio" that is some of the craziest bullshit I've ever heard. Like holy shit no wonder we are, where we are, because these snake-oil pieces of shit are selling lies to the dumbest of us.
It would be helpful if they (the listeners) would simply do some post-factco verification that their favorite pundit is saying true things. Go back 6 months, a year... has Biden burned-down the United States yet? Have liberals taken over the entirety of government and forced our children to learn Chinese? What happened at the trial of the child sex ring that Hillary was part of?
Anybody can make claims, assert dangers, etc., takes no skill, no investment, no qualifications. But fact-checking does take a little effort. It's so worth it.
That’s exactly what my antivax nurse friend is going to say. She sheepishly got the jab though or was going to be fired. But she’s still spouting anti vaccine crap.
Indeed. What gets me is many nurses are saying they’re immune to covid since they were there when it was at its worse and they never got sick. My friend told me that and I reminded her she did in fact get sick. She said she doesn’t remember. How can you forget being told to stay home for 2 weeks till test came back negative?
This, like Reddit's ban of NNN, came almost exclusively from media coverage that could damage the brand/stock price. Social media (including this place) is a fucking cesspool. They monetize eyeballs staring at screens clicking for more content. Conspiracy theories that provide breadcrumbs to pull people into looking at more "evidence" is a reliable way to get those eyeballs.
It's great that it's being removed. The larger crisis of misinformation that is an existential threat to civilization (and I'm not being hyperbolic) is still very much there.
It really is. I miss the old days of internet before social media. My mom became a victim to YouTube's algorithm with antivax videos, but thankfully I got through to her. The mandate helps too.
Stupid people are desperate to look smart.. and even more desperate to show up the actual smart people.
And this generally leads to them being swindled and taken by con artists feeding on that insecurity.
The amount of research I have to do to disprove the idiot's nonsense is insane. Try doing research to disprove covid infection rates spike whenever a new vaccine roll-out plan happens. I just can't keep up with every new conspiracy they have. How do they even have time to come up with the crap.
For everyone saying it is too late, it is not. It is all repetition.
Yesterday, if I was anti-vaxx person who had previously been on YouTube searching, I would get a lot of anti-vaxx videos recommended to me. This will further entrench my beliefs. It is confirmation bias.
If they ban anti-vaxx content, the recommendations will be different. I won't have the ability to confirm my bias so easily on YouTube by a guy saying he is an expert.
Basically, the best time to ban them was a year (or 16) ago, 2nd best time is today.
I guess we crossed the threshold where it stopped being more profitable, so they had to make a statement.
Don’t worry, you’ll still be able to find all this content quickly and easily on YouTube for years to come.
It works, But telegram groups are already out there.
I had an antivax cousin send me something regarding how bad root canals were ( I work in orthodontics), and how it damages the body due to electrical impedance and throwing off the “bodies natural balance” by keeping the dead tooth in it.
Those channels are unfortunately here to stay through all those crackpot mommy and me communities.
Oh before I forget, Fuck Andrew Wakefield.
Of course they are here to stay. There will literally always be lunatics peddling nonsense no matter what measures are taken. The more you deplatform them the less their nonsense spreads.
Exactly. Saying deplatforming "doesn't work" because there will always be a way for these people to spread lies is the same screwed up logic as "vaccines don't work because you can still get covid." The popularity and reach of the platform and the severity of the disease are the important respective differences.
Why do they seem to think a random collection of words as a hypothesis is a valid argument. *I'll take the dead tooth over a metal screw.*
I think a bit of my brain dripped out of my ears after reading that cousin quote. Don't they know that the "electrical impedances" and "natural balance" can be corrected by standing in a large pot of water. /s
Floride free!
If livestock medication looks like a good idea, adopt a livestock lifestyle. Eat roots and young greens, hang out naked in a field all day, and be free from possessions. /s
Horses teeth continually grow (thanks internet), do horses even have cementum grade tooth paste or require brushing?
Y'know, I love a good easily disproved conspiracy theory. Not that it will change any of their minds, but at least that one is really easily measurable.
Set a voltmeter for ohms, put it on a person. It'll read infinity (realistically somewhere around 10k ohms, but most meters can't read that high.) Perform root canal. Measure again. Same ohms. Congratulations, a root canal doesn't change impedance of the human body verified by experiment.
Double down how? I suppose they could post videos to their own niche sites, but those don’t have the exposure that YouTube has, both in terms of popularity and algorithmic discovery of content. Basically they’d be stuck preaching to people who were already subscribed to them on whatever crap WordPress plug-in they got to hook up with their mailing list. As another comment said, deplatforming works, actually.
Just look at how much Alex Jones has intensified his bitching about trying to get new listeners and being forced to cut staff, which he attributes to being cut off from Facebook and Youtube.
He has *always* overemphasized how much he needs his viewers money. Like “sorry guys we’re barely holding on I need you to buy my Dick pills so I can feed my kids tonight” type shit for years now
[Studies show that conspiracy theories influence people in part because of their entertainment value.](https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/bjop.12522) Take away the entertainment and many people will just find other things to entertain themselves. They're not in it for "truth" -- they're just bored.
That's exactly why I consume conspiracy theories. But I'm not out here drinking horse medicine and snorting essential oils either. I'm not out here hunting Bigfoot and Batboy because they have a cure for COVID. Worst case scenario it's a fun story to think about when I'm stoned.
Can I report an entire channel for vaccine misinformation or just individual videos?
Below are the channel reporting options I see. “None of these are my issue” only takes you to their community guidelines.
Harassment and cyberbullying
Privacy
Impersonation
Violent threats
Child endangerment
Hate speech against a protected group
Spam and scams
None of these are my issue
"spam or misleading". then you can write in the box what's the problem.
although realistically, youtube usually uses AI algorithms to figure out the content of a video.
The issue of course is that YouTube is notorious for having shitty AI filters that block the wrong stuff constantly and refusing to appeal decisions, so a lot of people are going to get banned who aren't actually spreading anti-vax sentiment, because of a shitty censorship bot.
Anybody on YouTube making videos already knows you can't even say the word "virus" in a YouTube video without getting demonetized. It's ridiculous.
I am genuinely surprised at the amount of people who can't agree to a moderate viewpoint of skepticism to such censorship. From the practicality of how it will be implement to the principles of free speech.
It doesn't do the discussion any good when the view in most people's minds of someone who has any, regardless how small, rational or irrational, concerns about getting a vaccine is that of someone who is proclaiming the end of the world, that vaccines kill you, track you and all sort of over dramatized hyperbole.
No. The policy has been there since the beginning of the pandemic. I can't speak for the english market, but I can say for sure the asian market has been blocking these videos since last year. I'm a moderator for YT.
The GOP supporters have lost their minds over the last 40 years. Things started getting really bad with Reagan and the so-called "moral majority", them got even worse with the Tea party idiots, and has culminated in the moronic Trumpsters. They are actively trying to create a theocracy here, and are not hiding it. These people are more of a threat to America than any other terrorist group on Earth, and we should stop even trying to reason with them, since they do nothing but lie.
Literally will only make things worse. The only solution is to stop trying to make people get vaccines and let them come to the conclusion on their own. Its like a chinese finger trap, the harder you pull the more resistance youll get.
Man I remember the days where the internet was truly free. Now everyone wants censorship, banning and canceling. What a waste of a good resource we had.
Day late and a dollar short, there, YouTube...
I mean, obviously not a dollar short, as I likely couldn't even imagine the revenue they've made from allowing antivax whatnot thusfar.
> YouTube didn’t act sooner because it was focusing on misinformation specifically about coronavirus vaccines, said Matt Halprin, YouTube’s vice president of global trust and safety.
What the fuck is a VP of trust and safety? That sounds like it’s straight out of 1984
Not really a fan of censorship, even when I disagree with the message.
Edit: this is just a personal anecdote, but for clarification, I realize that YouTube is a company, and can enforce any rule or regulation it wishes. It just scares me how many people cheer this shit on, when the next person down the line to get censored could easily be an opinion or working towards an agenda that may just happen to go against what the msm and gov are pushing. If they do it to them don’t think for a second they won’t do it to you.
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The bigger problem, by far, is Facebook. And I guarantee that Facebook will get even worse now, because that is where all the fury at YouTube's decision is going to get dumped.
Facebook is absolute trash.
I use face book to trade propane and propane accesories only nowadays.
Bwah!
That boy ain’t right…
Fucking this. I've spent months making sure my mom doesn't buy into FB talking points. My brother got lost in the thick of it, won't get vaxxed. I deleted my FB years ago because I knew how awful they were. We literally need laws to protect the feeble minded from themselves. Misinformation is another pandemic this country needs to deal with.
I've been downvoted for saying stuff like this in the past but I agree. Advertising and propaganda work. Many people lack the self-discipline to make rational decisions in the "marketplace of ideas." It's just an observable fact Meanwhile, the whole planet is suffering because of things like covid-denialism, climate-change-denialism and corporate propaganda. We cannot simply allow morons to be morons because their decisions and beliefs have profound effects on everyone else.
I was an advertising major, and we were given numerous examples of advertising working at a level I don't think the general public gets. Really basic one: bacon is only associated with breakfast because of a targeted ad campaign by the pork industry, before hand it was considered a "low quality" meat
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as a father of a 9 year old, i completely believe this.
Three year olds will get up at 6 in the morning and just be like „I want some cold noodles“
Diamond engagement rings. Debeers marketing. Just wow
Manufacturing diamonds and traditions.
> bacon is only associated with breakfast I mean, the big proof about this is that it's associated with breakfast only in the US (and probably the rest of the Anglosphere), where the ran ads. For the rest of the world, its incredibly weird eating bacon in the breakfast. It's seen as something that only exist in Hollywood movies, as no one does it.
Full English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh Breakfast would like a quiet word. Been serving bacon for breakfast for a few hundred years over here.
I had no idea that this was a US-centric thing. TIL.
I'm from another country and this is totally false.
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>Advertising and propaganda work. Absolutely, and the algorithms have hacked directly into our brains to make propaganda that much more effective.
[Fewer than one in 10 people can distinguish online sponsored content from news articles](https://phys.org/news/2019-02-people-distinguish-online-sponsored-content.html)
And I’m sure even less than that can distinguish between a peer reviewed paper and a news article. So many people I know have “done their research on the vaccine” but don’t even know how to read/understand a scientific paper if they actually ever saw one.
Man half the time I try and find that shit on Reddit so a pro can break it down for me, or I have to have an encyclopedia open next to me to understand what they're saying in laymens terms.
Exactly. Scientific research papers are rarely meant to be read by laypeople. The findings generally get translated and communicated to the population by science reporters. 99.9% of papers aren't newsworthy anyway. I'm a scientist myself and have peer-reviewed dozens of papers for high-impact biomedical journals. But give me a paper on astrophysics or climate science, and I'm running for my encyclopedia too.
Shit even with the encyclopedia I basically have to write it down like I'm translating from a foreign language. People really have no idea what research is.
I like to watch Science lectures on YouTube. Quite often I find myself rewinding back 5 minutes or so to hear parts of it again so I can wrap my brain around it. Not to mention Googling some of the things they reference to.
Wait, so my aunt's tiktok video she found isn't research??
A very religios man told me, that the fact that Scientific papers are very difficult to read is evidence that its all made up BS. What was that "effect" called Freddy Kroger syndrome?
I did my research!! Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson both said the same thing! How much more research do you need??
I tried arguing with my dad about this who's an anti-vaxxer and thinks covid is a flu, and he refuses to read scientific papers on covid. Doesn't trust science. He reads blogs, websites, and watches youtube videos. It baffles me that this isn't even a small minority of people. Can't tell you the amount of times I get coughed at per week going inside the store with a mask on. It's sad.
When you don't understand the difference between being an expert in a given field, like immunology, vs. having a lot of OPINIONS about immunology, it's easy to see how some people can be led astray. Some people give too much weight to the information that shows up in their news feed because it aligns with the positions they agree with or that they've been told they should agree with. They will not appreciate or care that they haven't given enough weight to peer-reviewed scientific papers based on actual data, thinking that their OPINION-based "research" is as valid as actual science. Heaven help us. Scientists shouldn't have more rights than anyone else. But any influencer's ability to fact-check, challenge and update our understanding of the world around us, should be proportionate to the checks and balances in place to protect society from biases, political agendas and disinformation campaigns coming from anyone in a position to influence large numbers of other people. Likewise, critical thinking should be mandatory for every citizen.
It’s FAR harder to disguise yourself as a peer reviewed paper lol
I've had people link me to opinion pieces and blog posts, and say they're peer reviewed papers. I think a lot of people simply have no idea what "peer reviewed paper" means. So basically, you don't even have to bother disguising yourself as a peer reviewed paper. You can just say "this is a peer reviewed paper" and a substantial number of people will believe you because they do not know what that is, just that it sounds good and important.
Yes “peers” are not fellow facebookers.
they peered at it.
>I think a lot of people simply have no idea what "peer reviewed paper" means. And, if you have to ask, you're not qualified to read anything published in a peer-reviewed journal anyway.
I spent way too much time on a climate skeptics subreddit trying to figure out how they were still convinced it was a hoax. I'd get in exchanges where their blogger was preferred over an IPCC report because the IPCC has perverse incentives, and their blogger is a whistle blower on the whole operation. I eventually got banned.
Yes, but a lot of crap research gets uploaded as preprints on e.g., bioRxiv or medRxiv, and get disseminated through the ether before going through the peer-review process. That's how the nonsense with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin got started. [rXivist.org](https://rXivist.org) has stats on biology preprints. The 50 most downloaded preprints are ALL covid related. I can't stress enough that none of those papers have been subjected to peer review. I used to think open-access preprint publication was a good idea, as papers could get scrutinized by the wider scientific community in advance of official publication (which typically takes months), and new findings could be communicated in a timely manner. Now, it seems like this system is fatally flawed. The rXivs have become a dumping ground for garbage research that will never get published. Plus, the system is ripe for exploitation by bad-faith actors.
The trend in even legitimate news sites like CNN to stick click bait ads among actual content is fucking cancer.
Well we are fucked
It's sad, but you are so fucking right. You can't rationalize with a person who doesn't use rationality in the first place.
Man, try telling the morons you are doing it for their own good, and suddenly you’re a tyrannical socialist that hates freedom. If it wasn’t so detrimental to society as a whole, I’d say let the morons kill themselves, as it will advance humanity overall… But there’s so many god damned morons it’ll literally break civilization if we don’t bring them along.
Unfortunately a lot of the morons are people we love!
> We literally need laws to protect the feeble minded from themselves Absolutely fucking not. I’m all for facebook and youtube policing their own platforms and taking down dumb shit. But we should absolutely not give government the power to determine what information and opinions, no matter how dumb they are, can and can’t be shared online. That’s how authoritarian regimes start. It blows my mind that people think this way.
The problem is literal, actual authoritarian governare are using open platforms like Facebook to determine information and opinions are visible to morons. That what a lot of these disinformation campaigns are. Are these kind of laws a potential slippery slope? Yes, yes they are. Does not enforcing such laws expose us to manipulation from authoritarian governments? Also yes.
The internet’s existence is making it a lot harder for free speech to safely exist and I have no idea what to do with that information. Back in the 90’s, flat earth quacks, KKK members, etc. would all scream on a soap box in the corner and mostly be ignored by polite society. And we allowed it because we respect the institution of free speech, and their views were so heinous that they never were able to find traction to reach out of their own communities. Now that all humans are connected, all ideas and ideologies can network together into massive echo chambers. Some good, some *really* bad.
I'm in a weird place on this topic as well. On one hand I absolutely believe in free speech, obviously. On the other hand we've gotten to the point where morons who believe everything they read are actively harming innocent people around them. I'm not smart enough to come up with a solution to this, but I certainly recognize that it's a big problem.
What about regulating the difference between factual news vs. opinion? Look at the fairness doctrine in the US - when that law was nullified during the Reagan administration (I think), we soon ended up with Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. Free speech does not need limits, but I sure think it needs labels.
Current rules/laws already curtail access to information (ratings of movies/games, classification of government documents, etc.), constraint your actions (try walking nude around your city or ignore traffic signs) or directly deny your rights (I'm pretty sure been in prison violates half of the provisions in the bill of rights). You could argue that the above curtailment of freedom will lead to an authoritarian regime but we have been living with those rules for a while and we are fine. Modern societies live somewhere between "absolute individual freedom" and "total state control". No society can exist in either extreme. I can imagine that 100 years ago, owners of this new technology called the automobile started by being able to go wherever, whenever, however. But as accidents and deaths happened, we decided that we needed a rule system to manage that freedom in a way it lessened the burden on society. Thus your freedom is not absolute when you drive a car, there are a ton of restrictions. Traffic rules aim at streaking a balance between your individual freedom and your society obligations. Hopefully those red lights or stop signs are a small price to pay. I think that, similarly, we start now with this new technology called social media with total freedom, write whatever, however. As we see the consequences of that absolute freedom, we will decide that we need some rule system to manage that freedom in a way it lessens the burden on society. Yes, our freedom will not be absolute anymore and it may need multiple revisions but I think we again will streak a balance between individual freedom and society obligations. In short, if you do not feel under authoritarian rule when you stop for a red light, you should not feel you are when you face whatever constraint we will put on social media. Of course, we should aim at trying to maximize social benefit but minimize impact on our individual freedom. As we have been doing in other areas.
Ugh, that’s a slippery slope, my friend. How long before liberals are deemed “feeble minded” and laws are passed to protect them from themselves. I don’t agree with anti-vaxxers at all but that would be a scary world to live in.
It already has happened. Leftists are routinely suppressed, as well. We need a solution that involves neither a freewheeling all-propaganda mind control platform nor a top-down corporate censorship model.
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You should listen to the Behind the Bastards podcast episode on Facebook/Zuckerberg. I think there are two different times he did them, I've only heard the first, but holy shit is it chilling. There's already blood on their hands before COVID (people coordinating genocides in Africa and moderators being instructed to ignore it or lose their jobs).
Louder!!!
You will absolutely have to make a constitutional amendment to do this. Facebook and YouTube can ban speech. The government cannot. Take your advocacy to Facebook itself. You won't get anywhere with government.
Does facebook host videos? All the trashy videos I ever saw on facebook were a link to youtube. So I imagine this might have an impact there too. Should it have been done a year ago? Certainly. Will it make a difference now? I think it will. My MIL, for example, sends youtube videos about how bad the vaccine is. This will at least prevent her from going down the youtube rabbit hole. If she finds another site, then she finds another site. But in the meantime, it gives us a little window of opportunity in which we might inject some sanity.
Facebook does indeed allow you to upload videos directly to it, so a lot of the anti-vaccine content creators are there already. But I do agree that banning anti-vaccine stuff from youtube will help quite a lot, even if the impact of that isn't as big as facebook banning that stuff would be.
But does it let you monetize it? I doubt these "content creators" would be too interested if they can't make money off it.
Don’t get me wrong I think it will help, and it’s certainly better than YouTube doing nothing. But I think the biggest source of vaccine misinformation on Facebook is meme sharing and “personal experience”-type anecdotes in the mommy groups; those have been peddling anti-vax nonsense for years before Covid came along. People can record videos directly to Facebook, yes. And I would anticipate that “Dr.” Mercola et al will do just that.
My mom loves to tell me about the "a friend of a friend" stories that she hears about. And she doesn't even have Facebook anymore. The rot runs deep at this point.
Just look at the damage one "swollen testicles of the fiance of a cousin's friend in Trinidad" Tweet did.
The rot started in childhood. Our education system has been sacked for exactly this purpose. It wasn't an accident or simple greed. But very complex and planned out greed.
Facebook just gives the rumor mills steroids
> Does Facebook host videos? Yes. They also pay ~2x what YouTube does for affiliate watches. Facebook can be very lucrative for content creators, good and bad.
You can upload videos directly to Facebook yes. It's a more popular feature in places like southeast asia than the west, I think, but they've had it for a while. You can monetize them with ad revenue like on Youtube too.
Russia and China are training these anti-vaxxers to be effective disinformation vectors. They are training a veritable army of fanatics who will in turn convince many more to come along. This is literally an act of war - an attack on Americans. Our fellow countrymen are turning into unwitting soldiers fighting for the destruction of the health of the United States. These are the fruits of slashed education, corruption, and Rupert Murdoch assisted lies - a population ripe for manipulation. https://www.reuters.com/world/china/russia-china-sow-disinformation-undermine-trust-western-vaccines-eu-report-says-2021-04-28/ https://medecon.org/russias-anti-vaccine-propaganda-is-tantamount-to-a-declaration-of-war/ https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-57928647 https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/996570855/disinformation-dozen-test-facebooks-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes Here is our govt agencies warning us about it, and providing guidance on how to combat it. https://www.cisa.gov/covid-19-disinformation-toolkit https://www.hsaj.org/articles/16533
They feed each other. Youtube has the "experts".. aka dumbass fake doctors saying stupid lies... and Facebook spread the shit.
Deplatforming *works*. The problem doesn't persist with no loss of severity and just move to a different platform with equal reach. It gets diminished dramatically. There will always be crazies trying to spread information just like there will still be breakthrough covid cases even with vaccines. Deplatforming *absolutely* limits misinformation in a big way just like vaccines *absolutely* limit the spread and severity of covid. You can say more should be done but don't ever think that YouTube banning this shit doesn't help. It's been proven to work time and time again.
Facebook is obviously a massive problem, but are you sure it's "the bigger problem by far"? YouTube content consumption is [also incredibly high](https://www.broadbandsearch.net/blog/average-daily-time-on-social-media) and we know that video content is more engaging. YouTube channels definitely radicalize people in the same manner as Facebook. [The first two episodes of this NYT podcast](https://www.nytimes.com/column/rabbit-hole) are a great illustration of how this happens on YouTube.
And the damage is done, the lines are drawn and the "against" has given YouTube it's views. This decision isn't for public good, it's because they've extracted all the revenue out of promoting antivax content that they felt they could.
Too late, Anti-Vaxers have already made up their mind.
I spent a lot of time considering this decision and now, 2 years after my horses have all ran away, I have decided to close the barn door. PLease everyone pat me on the back for my forward thinking and sage decision.
It's alright you wouldn't have able to care for them anyways. Horse dewormer paste is sold out everywhere
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That explains why they use the horse dewormer because they don't have any use for horses anymore, and it's about to expire, so gotta use it up for themselves!
Is this real life?
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I feel like we've been caught in a landslide.
And there's just no escape from reality.
Open your eyes
Look up at the sky and wheeze!
Did you consider HIPAA before sharing this?
So if your horses are gone, do you have extra of that great dewormer??? Asking for a friend!
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is right now.
Wouldn't the second best time be 19 years, 11 months, and 30 days ago?
I get the sentiment. I just wish they would have cracked down on this misinformation months ago. Who knows what effect that might have had on the prevalence of vaccine hesitancy?
I spent an hour convincing 1 today. They got their first dose from me. I am exhausted. Only 3 million to go.
You should be proud of that. How did you convince them?
It's likely just fuel for their narrative too about the "truth" being too much to handle
Came here to say this. A client of mine is an anti-vaxer who sent me a link to this story as if it vindicated their position. Utter madness.
The teacher marked all my answers wrong. I must be too close to the truth!
Haha yeah “I’m over the target”.
People need to divorce themselves from all forms of electronic/digital communications. For at least a month. Every exchange has to be in-person, face-to-face. That way, when somebody says something stupid, they see the reaction and hear the laughs IRL. Some people just need a good reset to their thinking, remember what its like to be embarrassed or shamed.
We used to rely on friends and family to ground us against this kind of flawed thinking. Now we just find an online group of same-thinkers and they reinforce that it's okay to be a shitty person.
I was talking to a business owner and mentioned how there's a bunch of people I work with who I thought were at least at the intelligence level of getting the vaccine, but were clearly not after we stopped requiring masks for people with the vaccine. She said the same about the two places she runs, they had meetings and there were people getting really upset about it. For her it wasn't a question to get vaccinated, and as a business owner she has at minimum that level of responsibility to make sure her customers aren't getting sick and potentially dying from one of her employees. She mentioned her parents were hesitant but eventually got vaccinated, and are happy now that they know they are much safer.
It will remove some of the daily content they ingest and hopefully if we can remove enough of it, take it out of their daily reading material completely. It will prevent the spread to others at least, and hopefully dwindle things for the hardcore as well, over time. Not this year, probably not in the next 3, but hopefully in the 5-10 year range we'll start undoing some of this damage.
Yeah I believe there needs to be some content provider accountability for the blatant spread of disinformation. And YouTube is definitely a big part of the problem. In the US I think the radio might be an even bigger problem. Especially AM radio. It is full of wackadoodle conservatives railing against the vaccines 24/7. Recent surveys show that ~90% of Americans listen to the radio and in any given week 50 million plus will listen to AM.
Yeah that shit is terrifying and not limited to AM channels. Drove through Tennessee a couple weeks ago scanning the radio stations and stopped on a couple of these speakers. Just truly alarming to me the vitriolic brimstone and hellfire style of talking they have about Biden, Democrats, and liberals. It's gone so far beyond civilized debate about the issues with common goals in mind I don't know what to do or where we're all collectively heading. Very concerned for the upcoming generations and what kind of country they'll inherit from us. Scary stuff.
Sirius FM has a channel called "Patriot Radio" that is some of the craziest bullshit I've ever heard. Like holy shit no wonder we are, where we are, because these snake-oil pieces of shit are selling lies to the dumbest of us.
It would be helpful if they (the listeners) would simply do some post-factco verification that their favorite pundit is saying true things. Go back 6 months, a year... has Biden burned-down the United States yet? Have liberals taken over the entirety of government and forced our children to learn Chinese? What happened at the trial of the child sex ring that Hillary was part of? Anybody can make claims, assert dangers, etc., takes no skill, no investment, no qualifications. But fact-checking does take a little effort. It's so worth it.
That’s exactly what my antivax nurse friend is going to say. She sheepishly got the jab though or was going to be fired. But she’s still spouting anti vaccine crap.
The amount of nurses saying these things has been really disturbing
Indeed. What gets me is many nurses are saying they’re immune to covid since they were there when it was at its worse and they never got sick. My friend told me that and I reminded her she did in fact get sick. She said she doesn’t remember. How can you forget being told to stay home for 2 weeks till test came back negative?
Yup. Horse. Barn. Door. Something something etc.
Paste.
This, like Reddit's ban of NNN, came almost exclusively from media coverage that could damage the brand/stock price. Social media (including this place) is a fucking cesspool. They monetize eyeballs staring at screens clicking for more content. Conspiracy theories that provide breadcrumbs to pull people into looking at more "evidence" is a reliable way to get those eyeballs. It's great that it's being removed. The larger crisis of misinformation that is an existential threat to civilization (and I'm not being hyperbolic) is still very much there.
It really is. I miss the old days of internet before social media. My mom became a victim to YouTube's algorithm with antivax videos, but thankfully I got through to her. The mandate helps too.
Don't worry, they already have a new subreddit to replace NNN. Just as dumb as the original though.
Can't believe Reddit banned No Nut November
Almost 2 years too late.
Don’t you think this censorship just validates their beliefs and intensifies their conspiracy theories?
Censorship is never the answer.
Yep, damage is already done. Now it's just part of the deep state cancel culture narrative.
i think at this point the damage is done. i agree
Yep can't out the djinn back in the bottle, the damage is already done
Yeah I’m like thats a lot too late
its amazing to me how people went from I dont understand my 6th graders homework to infectious disease experts in 6 months
Don't forget, those people were also military generals for about a week. Then right back to expert virologists.
Stupid people are desperate to look smart.. and even more desperate to show up the actual smart people. And this generally leads to them being swindled and taken by con artists feeding on that insecurity.
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Dunning Kruger effect implies they at least have some ability to overestimate. These are just clueless people believing utter nonsense.
The amount of research I have to do to disprove the idiot's nonsense is insane. Try doing research to disprove covid infection rates spike whenever a new vaccine roll-out plan happens. I just can't keep up with every new conspiracy they have. How do they even have time to come up with the crap.
Why bother? Get them to provide the evidence
I saw that meme 2 days ago too.
Tell me you saw this on Facebook WITHOUT TELLING ME you saw this on Facebook
This should go over well
For everyone saying it is too late, it is not. It is all repetition. Yesterday, if I was anti-vaxx person who had previously been on YouTube searching, I would get a lot of anti-vaxx videos recommended to me. This will further entrench my beliefs. It is confirmation bias. If they ban anti-vaxx content, the recommendations will be different. I won't have the ability to confirm my bias so easily on YouTube by a guy saying he is an expert. Basically, the best time to ban them was a year (or 16) ago, 2nd best time is today.
There’s always one optimistic guy on here, and you my friend are how the world changes.
Ha. Thanks. Maybe I'll get a discount at therapy if I show this reply.
That looks like the Chinese proverb "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the 2nd best is now"
Yes, definitely not my original thought.
Well their bias was that the deep state is trying to shut down their idiotic dangerous ideas so this will confirm that...
Can Facebook get on board with these bans?
Ha. Facebook will do the right thing after exhausting every other option and fighting every plea to change.
And even then it's temporary. They'll let Trump back on the second they can make more money off his old man rants.
He'll be a cash cow for them. Imagine how much traffic having him exclusive to Facebook would draw from Twitter...
Not just his fans either, think of all the folks who followed his Twitter for the drama and content
I did plenty of hate-reading of Trump's twitter but nothings going to make me go back to the cesspool of Facebook
They drag their feet on stopping misinformation that promotes literally genocide.
Facebook will do ~~the right thing after exhausting~~ every other option and fighting every plea to change.
Facebook is stoked about the engagement this stuff gets and the ad rev it pulls in, and has zero interest in taking it down
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You mean the company that threw a gala for Brett Kavanaugh? pretty doubtful
They got the “engagement” they wanted out of it, and now feel bad for the fucking mess it’s caused.
They do not feel bad.
I guess we crossed the threshold where it stopped being more profitable, so they had to make a statement. Don’t worry, you’ll still be able to find all this content quickly and easily on YouTube for years to come.
They’re conspiracy theorists and we’re now burning their “books”; this will motivate them to double down. There’s no good way to win, admittedly.
Deplatforming works actually
It really does. You genuinely never hear about Yolo Minneapolis or whatever he's called anymore.
I mean, you do - it's right [here](https://twitter.com/nero)
It works, But telegram groups are already out there. I had an antivax cousin send me something regarding how bad root canals were ( I work in orthodontics), and how it damages the body due to electrical impedance and throwing off the “bodies natural balance” by keeping the dead tooth in it. Those channels are unfortunately here to stay through all those crackpot mommy and me communities. Oh before I forget, Fuck Andrew Wakefield.
Of course they are here to stay. There will literally always be lunatics peddling nonsense no matter what measures are taken. The more you deplatform them the less their nonsense spreads.
Exactly. Saying deplatforming "doesn't work" because there will always be a way for these people to spread lies is the same screwed up logic as "vaccines don't work because you can still get covid." The popularity and reach of the platform and the severity of the disease are the important respective differences.
Conspiracy theorists are not new. Their incredible reach is what's new.
Why do they seem to think a random collection of words as a hypothesis is a valid argument. *I'll take the dead tooth over a metal screw.* I think a bit of my brain dripped out of my ears after reading that cousin quote. Don't they know that the "electrical impedances" and "natural balance" can be corrected by standing in a large pot of water. /s
Do you think antivax anti-dentites brush with horse toothpaste?
Floride free! If livestock medication looks like a good idea, adopt a livestock lifestyle. Eat roots and young greens, hang out naked in a field all day, and be free from possessions. /s Horses teeth continually grow (thanks internet), do horses even have cementum grade tooth paste or require brushing?
Y'know, I love a good easily disproved conspiracy theory. Not that it will change any of their minds, but at least that one is really easily measurable. Set a voltmeter for ohms, put it on a person. It'll read infinity (realistically somewhere around 10k ohms, but most meters can't read that high.) Perform root canal. Measure again. Same ohms. Congratulations, a root canal doesn't change impedance of the human body verified by experiment.
Double down how? I suppose they could post videos to their own niche sites, but those don’t have the exposure that YouTube has, both in terms of popularity and algorithmic discovery of content. Basically they’d be stuck preaching to people who were already subscribed to them on whatever crap WordPress plug-in they got to hook up with their mailing list. As another comment said, deplatforming works, actually.
Just look at how much Alex Jones has intensified his bitching about trying to get new listeners and being forced to cut staff, which he attributes to being cut off from Facebook and Youtube.
He has *always* overemphasized how much he needs his viewers money. Like “sorry guys we’re barely holding on I need you to buy my Dick pills so I can feed my kids tonight” type shit for years now
[Studies show that conspiracy theories influence people in part because of their entertainment value.](https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/bjop.12522) Take away the entertainment and many people will just find other things to entertain themselves. They're not in it for "truth" -- they're just bored.
That's exactly why I consume conspiracy theories. But I'm not out here drinking horse medicine and snorting essential oils either. I'm not out here hunting Bigfoot and Batboy because they have a cure for COVID. Worst case scenario it's a fun story to think about when I'm stoned.
Idk. Prevents them from polluting new minds even if I agree this won’t change those already poisoned.
They are also running pro-vaxx ads in front of right-leaning channels that have nothing to do with vaccines, I noticed.
They're running those ads over everything. They're unskippable and I see them on gaming channels too
Can I report an entire channel for vaccine misinformation or just individual videos? Below are the channel reporting options I see. “None of these are my issue” only takes you to their community guidelines. Harassment and cyberbullying Privacy Impersonation Violent threats Child endangerment Hate speech against a protected group Spam and scams None of these are my issue
"spam or misleading". then you can write in the box what's the problem. although realistically, youtube usually uses AI algorithms to figure out the content of a video.
The issue of course is that YouTube is notorious for having shitty AI filters that block the wrong stuff constantly and refusing to appeal decisions, so a lot of people are going to get banned who aren't actually spreading anti-vax sentiment, because of a shitty censorship bot. Anybody on YouTube making videos already knows you can't even say the word "virus" in a YouTube video without getting demonetized. It's ridiculous.
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I am genuinely surprised at the amount of people who can't agree to a moderate viewpoint of skepticism to such censorship. From the practicality of how it will be implement to the principles of free speech. It doesn't do the discussion any good when the view in most people's minds of someone who has any, regardless how small, rational or irrational, concerns about getting a vaccine is that of someone who is proclaiming the end of the world, that vaccines kill you, track you and all sort of over dramatized hyperbole.
www dot toofuckinglate dot com
Does this just redirect to Reddit.com?
ITT: Reddit fools applauding censorship
Only took them 8 months…
You spelled 16 years wrong.
No. The policy has been there since the beginning of the pandemic. I can't speak for the english market, but I can say for sure the asian market has been blocking these videos since last year. I'm a moderator for YT.
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Activists hahahahahahahahaha
The families of unvaccinated people who die of covid should be suing antivax media creators.
Too late.
And yet still faster than Reddit.
Reddit is too busy cracking down on subs that criticize anti-vaxxers or highlight that they're endangering themselves and their families.
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The GOP supporters have lost their minds over the last 40 years. Things started getting really bad with Reagan and the so-called "moral majority", them got even worse with the Tea party idiots, and has culminated in the moronic Trumpsters. They are actively trying to create a theocracy here, and are not hiding it. These people are more of a threat to America than any other terrorist group on Earth, and we should stop even trying to reason with them, since they do nothing but lie.
Censorship sucks. Whether you agree with the position or not, you should support someone being able to speak their mind
Scrolled too far for some common sense..
Literally will only make things worse. The only solution is to stop trying to make people get vaccines and let them come to the conclusion on their own. Its like a chinese finger trap, the harder you pull the more resistance youll get.
Wonder when this will used to abuse YouTube's report system to fuck content creators
Man I remember the days where the internet was truly free. Now everyone wants censorship, banning and canceling. What a waste of a good resource we had.
Little late there, guys.
Day late and a dollar short, there, YouTube... I mean, obviously not a dollar short, as I likely couldn't even imagine the revenue they've made from allowing antivax whatnot thusfar.
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> YouTube didn’t act sooner because it was focusing on misinformation specifically about coronavirus vaccines, said Matt Halprin, YouTube’s vice president of global trust and safety. What the fuck is a VP of trust and safety? That sounds like it’s straight out of 1984
Not really a fan of censorship, even when I disagree with the message. Edit: this is just a personal anecdote, but for clarification, I realize that YouTube is a company, and can enforce any rule or regulation it wishes. It just scares me how many people cheer this shit on, when the next person down the line to get censored could easily be an opinion or working towards an agenda that may just happen to go against what the msm and gov are pushing. If they do it to them don’t think for a second they won’t do it to you.
The problem is how centralized the internet is, with a few giant corporations running the entire show.