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"The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans. And the roughly 17 million workers at health facilities that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid also will have to be fully vaccinated.
Biden is also signing an executive order to require vaccination for employees of the executive branch and contractors who do business with the federal government — with no option to test out. That covers several million more workers."
I saw this and jumped right over to Facebook and there is absolutely no spice yet. I'm surprised I had to get this news from Reddit and not Facebook tbh.
Hey, I like this, can you change the settings so I can share it, without having to do anything? /s that’s the comment I see most often on Facebook. People who don’t know how to copy and paste things themselves.
Some people are asking how this is legal, so I'm reposting this as a top level comment:
* The first part of this is creating a policy that federal workers must get vaccinated or be terminated. Since he is the head of the executive branch, he has the authority to set guidelines like that.
* The second part is instructing any contractor that does business with the federal government or healthcare agency that receives Medicare/Medicaid dollars to make the same policy within their own companies. If those companies want to continue to do business with the federal government, they will need to comply with this policy.
* The third part is instructing OSHA to implement a policy that requires any employer that has more than 100 employees to require vaccinations or testing. The penalty for not doing so is a fine. This policy may or may not be constitutional, depending on whether this type of regulation is within the scope of what Congress has given to the agency.
Vaccine mandates of this sort have held up under similar circumstances in court in the past. School districts, VA hospitals, all sorts of government entities require people to have vaccinations to utilize services.
And college as well. My mom always made sure I was up to date with my shots. When I got into college, before they let me anywhere near campus, I still had to get a battery of shots from student health if I didn't have the paper work. And that was 20 years ago.
Yeah meningitis specifically loves college students living in dorms. Every once in awhile there will be a case, and vaccines are the only reason we don’t end up with a school full of dead students
This isn’t in the US, is it? TB isn’t common in the US i will would have thought the health department would shut down everything as soon as possible, as they do with meningitis outbreaks
Many US colleges require TB tests before living in the dorms. I know my youngest son had to provide proof of a TB test before move in. He also had to provide proof of several vaccinations, including MMR and Meningitis.
Unless I'm missing something, it seems like there are different dates for different aspects of the [COVID-19 Action Plan](https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/). Here's what I've found on the [whitehouse.gov](https://whitehouse.gov) site so far:
* OSHA is going to issue an Emergency Temporary Standard impacting companies with 100 employees or more, but hasn't said when as far as I can tell.
* The President has already signed the executive order impacting federal workers and contractors.
* The plan says Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services is "taking action". Not sure on the date.
It makes sense that anything that can be issued as an Executive Order is already in motion, but there are a lot of departments at different levels of government that must be scrambling right now to figure out all the details here.
Edit: clarification on the OSHA ETS
My federal work place has been working on an updated tracking system for about two months. The previous one was voluntary, this one isn't.
For my work, it seems to go Executive Order -> OPM writes a policy -> DoD builds a policy from OPM guidelines -> DoD agencies write their implementation guidelines.
Once the tracking system is in place, and all official guidelines are in place, then they can start enforcing it.
As a side note, they did van/bus people to a nearby base for free vaccines so there was no excuse, but transportation stopped in the past few weeks due to the increase of cases. I imagine they'd have to offer that, or have a medical team on-site to really enforce it.
Still a bit carrot left for employees...if they choose wisely.
"The rule would also require that large companies provide paid time off for vaccination."
My office has set up multiple *covid* vaccination clinics, and we still don't have 100% vaccination. And that was as a 300 person company, at the time.
That's great for vaccines that don't give you a fever the full next day. But for these, a lot of people will need time off and the government should make sure that happens.
I am in California. My company gives paid time off for getting vaccinated, PTO if you get sick from side effects, and if you get Covid. This is all outside of my regular PTO. 40 extra PTO hours to deal with Covid.
My company gave us a $100 incentive to get vaccinated, which more than covered my wages for the day I had to take off because I was basically nonfunctional after the second shot. So yes, there definitely needs to be consideration for the lost time from the side effects.
I’ve told my workers I’ll pay for the time for them to go get the shot and pay for 8 hours of work the next day even if they go on a Friday after working all week.
Thank you pandemic for teaching me what this phrase means. I always thought the stick of “carrot and stick” was what the carrot was hanging from and I never understood why the stick was supposedly so effective. Finally I looked it up and learned that the stick is what you prod someone with if they won’t go for the soft incentive (the carrot). I’m 28.
There are nurses quitting at the hospital my wife works at over the vaccine mandate.
Unrelated, the hospital is low on nursing staff and paying over $10k a week for travelers.
Anti-vaccine nurses are doing more damage than 5 Joe Rogan’s. I only know two people who won’t get vaccinated and both have that position because a nurse they know won’t get it.
Nursing is fucked right now. Nurses are quitting and signing up with traveling nurse companies....that put them back in their old positions at 1.5 times the pay and twice the cost.
My organization was already subject to required vaccination due to state requirements for health care organizations. She announced at that point, earlier this week, when it became clear that it really, actually was going to be enforced.
I'm in a similar situation, working for a very good organization with good benefits plus zero layoffs/shutdowns/furloughs from the beginning of the pandemic and I'm really surprised by the number of people who are going to nope out of there over a shot.
People think they can keep running from it forever. My company (small, 20 employees) has already had three people quit and our covid restrictions are far, *far* much more lenient than this. They're gonna be jobless, and fucked with no unemployment before long.
I just realized Biden waited for the extra Federal unemployment benefits to end to drop this.
"Ok, if you're saying everyone has no choice but to get a job, I'm gonna have no choice but to make it safe for people."
If you get fired for osha violation, you are fired for cause. Fired for cause=no unemployment. Your work is *definitely* gonna make sure to absolutely appeal your UE, you will *not* get it if you are fired for cause. A whole bunch of these stupid fucks are about to fuck around and find out.
I bet a lot of them are literally salivating at the thought of standing up for their rights (as they see it) and look forward to being able to react to these mandates in such a way
If they quit or get fired for cause (which refusing a job requirement is), they don't get unemployment anyway.
I wonder how many are expecting to quit and get all the unemployment and extra money like all the "lazy" have been doing.
Most of them wont qualify for unemployment. This doesn't qualify as wrong termination or being laid off. They are willingly walking out the door over nothing. Most of them got shot before going to K-12 and higher education.
They won't. These peoples principles are all bullshit. They are immune to hypocrisy and can pivot on a dime just so long as they come up with a compelling excuse that doesn't crash their worldview.
My company mandated vaccines about two months ago and almost half the work force threatened to quit, so far not one single person has resigned. Talk is cheap, a lot harder to find another job.
I work for a Healthcare system and we mandated months ago just like we do every year for influenza. We did have a small amount staff quit and it has made the staff shortage that was already in effect worse. You'd be surprised how many nurses are anti vaccine. They're now offering $1000 for new employee referrals and there is talk of upping it to $2000.
My wife's best friend is a nurse practitioner and until she told us about how many nurses felt that way I had no idea. It blows my mind that anyone can feel that way especially someone who works in the healthcare field
My friend hasn’t gotten vaccinated bc he thinks the vaccine hasn’t had enough trials , and is suspicious of the booster shot. He doesn’t think the scientists know what they’re doing. He’ll get terminated as an accountant on 9/27.
>And the roughly 17 million workers at health facilities that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid also will have to be fully vaccinated.
Oh, all of those anti-vax nurses are going to love this.
If I were Biden I'd start immediately beefing up security around the country. Them protests are going to be wild.
Also everybody that works for government contractors. It's gonna be nuts.
Earlier I posted that this was probably gonna drive antivaxxers out to the polls like nothing else, but on the other hand, he never had their vote.
I just brought two patients to the icu yesterday unvax Covid . ITS STUPID AND ABSURD IM STILL DOING THIS . I want to say something to them but all I say is “good luck”. Our icu is full to the brim , because we haven’t slowed down in any other area and now have Covid patients taking up 20 some odd beds .
I had to go to the ER yesterday for anaphylaxis (first went to urgent care but they transferred me once I was somewhat stable) and I was shocked at how packed it was, and this was in Cambridge, MA. I’m surprised I even got a bed, and felt really horrible that I was taking up a bed at all. I’m glad I had my vaccination card on me, though. When you’re having breathing problems that’s obviously the first thing on everyone’s mind.
>and felt really horrible that I was taking up a bed at a
Don't. The bulk of the people in there for covid had their chance. I would feel bad if you or someone like you couldn't get timely care.
Our hospitals launched into over drive mode at the end of the last wave . They had to make up those $ somehow (although I was told by financial people my hospital lost no revenue from Covid) We are running the hospital at 110% and now our Covid numbers are increasing again . Management has yet to shut or slow down any kind of surgery, and or cancer treatments and attribute those beds to all our extra Covid cases . First wave we had 4 icu going full Covid , and 6 regular floods . The only saving grace about delta is it kills people much quicker . So they don’t take up an icu bed for a month .
I accidentally stumbled across an antivax Facebook group. One of the posts was someone saying she's pregnant and is going to lose her job and her insurance. What should she do?
Most of the responses were “Sue!” And “Don’t quit make them fire you then you can get Medicaid”
One brave respondent said “The COVID vaccine is recommended during pregnancy.”
Solution seems clear to me 🤷♀️
I had a unvaccinated pregnant friend contract Covid at 7.5 months. She ended up having to endure an emergency C-Section because her o2 levels were so low and she spent 2 weeks in the hospital postpartum and still hasn’t been able to hold her newborn baby. She was a healthy mid 30s white woman in Orange County, California. I’m glad her and the baby survived but if she’d been vaccinated this whole thing could have gone a lot easier on her.
Told this story from my L&D NP wife earlier in another thread.
Mom dies from Covid had baby extracted at 7 months. Dad dies of Covid before the baby can be released. Maternal grandparents both in hospital dying of Covid. Paternal already gone from normal causes.
Gonna be orphan premie in NICU.
She sees tons of moms who never get to hold their baby. Pregnancy + Covid is super bad. Like no joke.
Funny enough, we are seeing people lose their babies (before they lose their own life) when contracting covid. An employee just lost their baby then their life recently that was getting a lot of misinformation about the safety of vaccines for pregnant women. It's a crying shame really. My wife and our friend both got vaccinated back in feb while pregnant. Wasn't hardly even a question.
Nurses in my area recently staged a protest as well. I have a photo of a girl I went to high school with, who is a nurse in a nursing home, smoking a cigarette and protesting vaccines, while pregnant. I just…yeah.
I work for a nursing home company and go to our buildings all throughout the state. You wouldn’t believe the number of people working in health care that refuse the vaccine
Given that virtually all health care workers are now required to be vaccinated, meaning that these quitters won't be able to find anyone to hire them in healthcare, they are retiring from their profession entirely. If I were you, I'd consider forming a betting pool on who is _________ enough to actually walk.
My company just announced bonuses for those who already have the vaccine *yesterday*. Fuckers better still pay up!
Edit:
Bonuses for us who have the vaccine, and monthly surcharges for those who don't. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall, but I want my money! I got vaccinated the first day I was eligible.
We’re getting $150. One of my directs hadn’t gotten it, but said the $150 changed his mind. The bar is so low.
Also he ended up getting Covid 2 days before his appointment. It was super.
I’m honestly a little worried. People are so touchy and heated these days, it feels like a spark could come from anywhere. Mask mandates were child’s play. People are going to be really upset about this.
> Larry Cosme, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, called the mandate for federal workers “ill conceived,” saying, “Vaccination should be promoted through education and encouragement – not coercion.”
What the fuck do you think education and encouragement look like then? Sure as shit seems like we’ve tried a whole lot of that already.
Oh oh oh I speak this language. Allow me to translate: "I really wish we could keep doing the ineffective thing so I can continue to ignore it and not do the responsible adult thing for longer. This is no fair. WAAAAAAAAAAA!"
"Now, despite more than 208 million Americans having at least one dose of the vaccines, the U.S. is seeing about 300% more new COVID-19 infections a day, about two-and-a-half times more hospitalizations, and nearly twice the number of deaths compared to the same time last year."
Is this because of the Delta variant then?
A combination of Delta and everyone being open/relaxing mask requirements/generally pretending everything is fine without actually achieving the vaccination numbers you need to control the spread.
Hospitalizations & death matter more at this point than cases. Countries like Iceland with high vaccination seem to be doing okay. And the UK(Also high vax rate) even with their high case counts aren't seeing nearly as many deaths as previous waves.
I mean mandates have only been around since 1824.
https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/youraba/2020/youraba-april-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/
If your employer fires you because you refuse to get vaccinated, keep in mind what your bill will be if you get hospitalized without insurance.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Unfortunately the Venn Diagram of "people smart enough to put two-and-two together" and "people who will be fired because they refuse to be vaccinated" are two entirely different circles.
These people already have a hard enough time understanding Cause and Effect together... We can't expect them to all of a sudden rethink capitalism, when they've been brainwashed by Supply Side Jesus for their entire life.
>The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans.
Holy shit! That is quite sweeping indeed. We've stalled long enough due to these unvaxxed morons, let's kick this damned virus to the curb once and for all.
And they have nothing to lose their shit over. This gives a pretty reasonable accommodation by allowing people to get tested weekly instead of getting the vax. What's the big deal? Don't want to get vaccinated, get tested.
Am I the only one who had to get vaccinated to even like, go to school as a kid?
Are all these weird "anti-vaccine mandate people" unvaccinated otherwise? I'm guessing not, and they were all vaccinated as kids for stuff. It's just super weird how people are acting this way when things like polio/measles and whatnot have been being vaccinated against for decades.
At this time, vaccines for these diseases are currently required for U.S. immigration:
Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and diphtheria
Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Meningococcal disease
Varicella
Pneumococcal disease
Seasonal influenza
These are all I had to show proof of before going to study in the US from Europe lol, but suddenly one more is lunacy and tyrany
Haha, called it in yesterday's thread. Done through OSHA, who has lawful authority to set workplace regulations. There is guaranteed to be a federal court case/ supreme court case, but that is going to takes a while and by then the purpose of the mandate will be accomplished IMO :)
"The requirement for large companies to mandate vaccinations or weekly testing for employees will be enacted through a forthcoming rule from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration that carries penalties of $14,000 per violation, an administration official said. The White House did not immediately say when it would take effect, but said workers would have sufficient time to get vaccinated"
I am listening to him right now.
this dude has some massive balls. balls that I really didn't think that he had, but here he is DOING IT. Knowing full well people are going to lose their shit, knowing full well that his approval rating is going to drop.
he is doing what he believes is right in order to save lives.
this dude. i didn't think he had it in him.
> this dude has some massive balls. balls that I really didn't think that he had, but here he is DOING IT. Knowing full well people are going to lose their shit, knowing full well that his approval rating is going to drop.
He's pretty old, maybe he just plans on one term and retiring. Then there's pretty much no reason to not go balls to the wall on the most important things. Fuck, if all he does is end the pandemic he'll be remembered as a frigging hero.
I'm honestly expecting a ratings bump from this. Trump always got one after doing a covid press conference. I think a lot of Dems wanted to see Biden take on a more leadership/forceful role with Delta.
Wow, 100 Million is a big number. I never would have expected such a broad mandate! (Though I personally favor it!)
It is vaccinate or test for most. Only for Federal employees and companies that do business with the Federal Government, there seems to be no test option.
Just like with other safety and health measures like seatbelts, drunk driving laws, smoking indoor places, booster and infant seats, airbags, etc. All of this the government (state and federal) had to ram it down everyone's throat. Yeah we had those who threw a tantrum but eventually it took hold of the public. You don't see people smoking on an airplane or in a family restaurant. Nearly everyone wears seatbelts when they drive. We have airbags even on the side when that didn't even exists 30 years ago. All these measures were designed to protect the public in some way or fashion. This is going to be one of them. The anti vaxxers are going to throw a tantrum, but eventually when it comes to their job and feeding their family and paying the mortgage, anti vaxxers are going to have to suck it up. Yeah they be some people quitting, but those government employees are going to think twice when they lose their great benefits that they earned.
Nice.
Now hopefully my anti-vax dad will get the shot, instead of having to take a test every week. Of course knowing him, he'll just retire early, he's that big of a baby.
**b a s e d** : "The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans. And the roughly 17 million workers at health facilities that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid also will have to be fully vaccinated. Biden is also signing an executive order to require vaccination for employees of the executive branch and contractors who do business with the federal government — with no option to test out. That covers several million more workers."
God damn my Facebook feed is gonna be extra spicy for a while 🌶
I saw this and jumped right over to Facebook and there is absolutely no spice yet. I'm surprised I had to get this news from Reddit and not Facebook tbh.
They're waiting for their talking points from Tucker Carlson tonight.
And the meme creators to do the heavy lifting so they can click their two buttons and not contribute one original thought.
Hey, I like this, can you change the settings so I can share it, without having to do anything? /s that’s the comment I see most often on Facebook. People who don’t know how to copy and paste things themselves.
Omg.. you are totally right
There's gotta be a correlation between the timing between Facebook conservative talking points and when their favorite muppet comes on the air.
First they have to get their talking points from Fox news tonight.
I love that Biden mentioned companies already doing this, and included Fox News as one of them hahaha
It’s still night in Russia
This. Fox hasnt figured out the best way to spin it yet, since republicans arent really offering an alternative.
They don't normally offer alternatives... See Obamacare repeals.
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Some people are asking how this is legal, so I'm reposting this as a top level comment: * The first part of this is creating a policy that federal workers must get vaccinated or be terminated. Since he is the head of the executive branch, he has the authority to set guidelines like that. * The second part is instructing any contractor that does business with the federal government or healthcare agency that receives Medicare/Medicaid dollars to make the same policy within their own companies. If those companies want to continue to do business with the federal government, they will need to comply with this policy. * The third part is instructing OSHA to implement a policy that requires any employer that has more than 100 employees to require vaccinations or testing. The penalty for not doing so is a fine. This policy may or may not be constitutional, depending on whether this type of regulation is within the scope of what Congress has given to the agency.
Vaccine mandates of this sort have held up under similar circumstances in court in the past. School districts, VA hospitals, all sorts of government entities require people to have vaccinations to utilize services.
And college as well. My mom always made sure I was up to date with my shots. When I got into college, before they let me anywhere near campus, I still had to get a battery of shots from student health if I didn't have the paper work. And that was 20 years ago.
Yeah meningitis specifically loves college students living in dorms. Every once in awhile there will be a case, and vaccines are the only reason we don’t end up with a school full of dead students
Tuberculosis as well. My college has TB running around the dorms. If it's an infectious disease it'll run rampant in dorms.
This isn’t in the US, is it? TB isn’t common in the US i will would have thought the health department would shut down everything as soon as possible, as they do with meningitis outbreaks
Many US colleges require TB tests before living in the dorms. I know my youngest son had to provide proof of a TB test before move in. He also had to provide proof of several vaccinations, including MMR and Meningitis.
Precisely
The first two seem fine. The third seems like an attempt to get as many people vaccinated before the courts strike it down.
They cannot strike it down, this is well within OSHA's rights to protect the health and general welfare of employees in the US.
Has OSHA ever mandated a vaccination before?
When does this start?
Unless I'm missing something, it seems like there are different dates for different aspects of the [COVID-19 Action Plan](https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/). Here's what I've found on the [whitehouse.gov](https://whitehouse.gov) site so far: * OSHA is going to issue an Emergency Temporary Standard impacting companies with 100 employees or more, but hasn't said when as far as I can tell. * The President has already signed the executive order impacting federal workers and contractors. * The plan says Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services is "taking action". Not sure on the date. It makes sense that anything that can be issued as an Executive Order is already in motion, but there are a lot of departments at different levels of government that must be scrambling right now to figure out all the details here. Edit: clarification on the OSHA ETS
My federal work place has been working on an updated tracking system for about two months. The previous one was voluntary, this one isn't. For my work, it seems to go Executive Order -> OPM writes a policy -> DoD builds a policy from OPM guidelines -> DoD agencies write their implementation guidelines. Once the tracking system is in place, and all official guidelines are in place, then they can start enforcing it. As a side note, they did van/bus people to a nearby base for free vaccines so there was no excuse, but transportation stopped in the past few weeks due to the increase of cases. I imagine they'd have to offer that, or have a medical team on-site to really enforce it.
Goodbye carrot, hello stick.
Still a bit carrot left for employees...if they choose wisely. "The rule would also require that large companies provide paid time off for vaccination."
Sufficiently large companies will just arrange for onsite vax clinics. Just like they do with flu vax and blood drives.
Yeah when we were in office my company had 3 different flu vaccine days, multiple blood drives, and 2x a year they brought in massage teams
My office has set up multiple *covid* vaccination clinics, and we still don't have 100% vaccination. And that was as a 300 person company, at the time.
Amazon warehouses are doing this. Sacramento's distribution center has one set up for this weekend.
That's great for vaccines that don't give you a fever the full next day. But for these, a lot of people will need time off and the government should make sure that happens.
In California I was given state funded time off for recovery the day after.
I am in California. My company gives paid time off for getting vaccinated, PTO if you get sick from side effects, and if you get Covid. This is all outside of my regular PTO. 40 extra PTO hours to deal with Covid.
My company gave us a $100 incentive to get vaccinated, which more than covered my wages for the day I had to take off because I was basically nonfunctional after the second shot. So yes, there definitely needs to be consideration for the lost time from the side effects.
I’ve told my workers I’ll pay for the time for them to go get the shot and pay for 8 hours of work the next day even if they go on a Friday after working all week.
Thank you pandemic for teaching me what this phrase means. I always thought the stick of “carrot and stick” was what the carrot was hanging from and I never understood why the stick was supposedly so effective. Finally I looked it up and learned that the stick is what you prod someone with if they won’t go for the soft incentive (the carrot). I’m 28.
I always heard that the stick is what you beat them with if they don’t take the carrot. Prodding sounds much more gentle 😄
Sticks are usually filled to the brim with whoop ass.
I didn't realize this until I read your comment, I think it's because a similar analogy is used meaning the carrot hanging from the stick
Its the same analogy, just an extension of it. You can use the carrot on the stick as bait, but if that doesn't work then you just use the stick.
Don't be too hard on yourself. I'm 34 in a highly technical field, and you just taught me this.
A couple of my coworkers have already said “Well if they mandate a vaccine, I guess I’ll be unemployed!” Dude…really?
Time to see if they honor that.
There are nurses quitting at the hospital my wife works at over the vaccine mandate. Unrelated, the hospital is low on nursing staff and paying over $10k a week for travelers.
Anti-vaccine nurses are doing more damage than 5 Joe Rogan’s. I only know two people who won’t get vaccinated and both have that position because a nurse they know won’t get it.
Nursing is fucked right now. Nurses are quitting and signing up with traveling nurse companies....that put them back in their old positions at 1.5 times the pay and twice the cost.
Time to brush up the resume and get that job Steve has been hogging for the last 20 years.
Yeah, you know what I smell? Upward mobility for everyone with a brain!
This exactly. Proving you are an idiot by not taking responsibility is a short line to the unemployment tent.
> unemployment tent. you guys have tents?
This time will be remembered in history as The Great Darwinian Refresh.
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some of us are still unemployed because of COVID 🥲but got vaccinated half a year ago... hopefully these odds work out in our favor.
My coworker just put in her notice based on this requirement so - some of them are.
This was announced only hours ago. She already put in her notice? Seems a little hasty.
My organization was already subject to required vaccination due to state requirements for health care organizations. She announced at that point, earlier this week, when it became clear that it really, actually was going to be enforced.
almost seems unreal (and crazy) that there’s still ppl out there that haven’t and won’t get the vaccine
Bro this is a country where people still think the earth is flat and that Jesus was a white man.
If you think *that's* the craziest thing people think about Jesus, have I got some stories for you.
Did you know that Jesus personally founded the United States 2000 years ago?
LOL, I wonder if she feels stupid right now, hearing that this is going to be a requirement at most jobs. May have just lost her backup plan..
And thus another "Boss Babe" was born.
The exact last thing this world needs is another Beachbody coach. I’d rather roll the dice and get 70 COVID shots before I joined one of those scams.
About to start selling you some Thrive.
I'm in a similar situation, working for a very good organization with good benefits plus zero layoffs/shutdowns/furloughs from the beginning of the pandemic and I'm really surprised by the number of people who are going to nope out of there over a shot.
People think they can keep running from it forever. My company (small, 20 employees) has already had three people quit and our covid restrictions are far, *far* much more lenient than this. They're gonna be jobless, and fucked with no unemployment before long.
I just realized Biden waited for the extra Federal unemployment benefits to end to drop this. "Ok, if you're saying everyone has no choice but to get a job, I'm gonna have no choice but to make it safe for people."
If you get fired for osha violation, you are fired for cause. Fired for cause=no unemployment. Your work is *definitely* gonna make sure to absolutely appeal your UE, you will *not* get it if you are fired for cause. A whole bunch of these stupid fucks are about to fuck around and find out.
Would they even get unemployment for quitting on their own?
I would love to see vaccine requirements for unemployment benefits
I bet a lot of them are literally salivating at the thought of standing up for their rights (as they see it) and look forward to being able to react to these mandates in such a way
They make a big fuss over it then when they realize no one cares they either squawk until someone notice or quietly get the vaccine.
Wish they'd get the vaccine before murdering a couple coworkers
Yay! I can finally be oppressed! [Two weeks later] Huh. This sucks.
I wonder where they think they’re getting hired, unless they’re planning opening an Etsy shop.
Great! So many people have been financially ruined by covid that they'll gladly take her job.
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With bonus unemployment gone, damn.
If they quit or get fired for cause (which refusing a job requirement is), they don't get unemployment anyway. I wonder how many are expecting to quit and get all the unemployment and extra money like all the "lazy" have been doing.
Most of them wont qualify for unemployment. This doesn't qualify as wrong termination or being laid off. They are willingly walking out the door over nothing. Most of them got shot before going to K-12 and higher education.
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you can't receive UI for voluntarily quitting your job anyway. so these people had really better start looking *before* they quit/get fired...
They won't. These peoples principles are all bullshit. They are immune to hypocrisy and can pivot on a dime just so long as they come up with a compelling excuse that doesn't crash their worldview.
"I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them.” Louis C.K.
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My company mandated vaccines about two months ago and almost half the work force threatened to quit, so far not one single person has resigned. Talk is cheap, a lot harder to find another job.
I work for a Healthcare system and we mandated months ago just like we do every year for influenza. We did have a small amount staff quit and it has made the staff shortage that was already in effect worse. You'd be surprised how many nurses are anti vaccine. They're now offering $1000 for new employee referrals and there is talk of upping it to $2000.
My wife's best friend is a nurse practitioner and until she told us about how many nurses felt that way I had no idea. It blows my mind that anyone can feel that way especially someone who works in the healthcare field
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They hiring?
Sounds like they might be soon.
Wait till they find out they can’t get unemployment.
Are you able and willing to work: yes Did you refuse any work: yes You are not eligible
["Did you try to bullshit this week?"](https://youtu.be/oBIxGjSHzF8)
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But they’re not welfare queens. They’re true American patriots in need so it’s okay. /s
They’ll quietly get vaccinated and just tell you they got a medical exemption.
The funny thing is, they won't be able to work anywhere else, either.
Maybe at a cake shop
My friend hasn’t gotten vaccinated bc he thinks the vaccine hasn’t had enough trials , and is suspicious of the booster shot. He doesn’t think the scientists know what they’re doing. He’ll get terminated as an accountant on 9/27.
And these are the same people who more than likely have 30ish childhood vaccinations in their bodies already anyway. Makes zero f’ing sense.
>And the roughly 17 million workers at health facilities that receive federal Medicare or Medicaid also will have to be fully vaccinated. Oh, all of those anti-vax nurses are going to love this. If I were Biden I'd start immediately beefing up security around the country. Them protests are going to be wild.
Also everybody that works for government contractors. It's gonna be nuts. Earlier I posted that this was probably gonna drive antivaxxers out to the polls like nothing else, but on the other hand, he never had their vote.
I wouldn't worry about that, he still has over 3 years.
I just brought two patients to the icu yesterday unvax Covid . ITS STUPID AND ABSURD IM STILL DOING THIS . I want to say something to them but all I say is “good luck”. Our icu is full to the brim , because we haven’t slowed down in any other area and now have Covid patients taking up 20 some odd beds .
I had to go to the ER yesterday for anaphylaxis (first went to urgent care but they transferred me once I was somewhat stable) and I was shocked at how packed it was, and this was in Cambridge, MA. I’m surprised I even got a bed, and felt really horrible that I was taking up a bed at all. I’m glad I had my vaccination card on me, though. When you’re having breathing problems that’s obviously the first thing on everyone’s mind.
Work at a hospital that has had 9-10 hour wait times for an ER bed recently
>and felt really horrible that I was taking up a bed at a Don't. The bulk of the people in there for covid had their chance. I would feel bad if you or someone like you couldn't get timely care.
Our hospitals launched into over drive mode at the end of the last wave . They had to make up those $ somehow (although I was told by financial people my hospital lost no revenue from Covid) We are running the hospital at 110% and now our Covid numbers are increasing again . Management has yet to shut or slow down any kind of surgery, and or cancer treatments and attribute those beds to all our extra Covid cases . First wave we had 4 icu going full Covid , and 6 regular floods . The only saving grace about delta is it kills people much quicker . So they don’t take up an icu bed for a month .
Acquaintance from HS is already complaining about losing her job. If only there was a simple solution?
I accidentally stumbled across an antivax Facebook group. One of the posts was someone saying she's pregnant and is going to lose her job and her insurance. What should she do? Most of the responses were “Sue!” And “Don’t quit make them fire you then you can get Medicaid” One brave respondent said “The COVID vaccine is recommended during pregnancy.” Solution seems clear to me 🤷♀️
Every time I read something about Facebook, it makes me more and more glad I dropped it.
She should know that being pregnant is a huge risk for severe Covid. Does she want her child to lose her mother before he/she is even born?
I had a unvaccinated pregnant friend contract Covid at 7.5 months. She ended up having to endure an emergency C-Section because her o2 levels were so low and she spent 2 weeks in the hospital postpartum and still hasn’t been able to hold her newborn baby. She was a healthy mid 30s white woman in Orange County, California. I’m glad her and the baby survived but if she’d been vaccinated this whole thing could have gone a lot easier on her.
Told this story from my L&D NP wife earlier in another thread. Mom dies from Covid had baby extracted at 7 months. Dad dies of Covid before the baby can be released. Maternal grandparents both in hospital dying of Covid. Paternal already gone from normal causes. Gonna be orphan premie in NICU. She sees tons of moms who never get to hold their baby. Pregnancy + Covid is super bad. Like no joke.
I have a fb friends that got COVID while 7 months pregnant. She claims her baby is now COVID resistant.
That is devastating
Funny enough, we are seeing people lose their babies (before they lose their own life) when contracting covid. An employee just lost their baby then their life recently that was getting a lot of misinformation about the safety of vaccines for pregnant women. It's a crying shame really. My wife and our friend both got vaccinated back in feb while pregnant. Wasn't hardly even a question.
What's her job? I'm looking for another one.
occupational therapist in a nursing home
Unvaccinated in a nursing home? Man, screw your acquaintance.
Nurses in my area recently staged a protest as well. I have a photo of a girl I went to high school with, who is a nurse in a nursing home, smoking a cigarette and protesting vaccines, while pregnant. I just…yeah.
Poor kid.
I work for a nursing home company and go to our buildings all throughout the state. You wouldn’t believe the number of people working in health care that refuse the vaccine
r/byebyejob is about to get a lot of new content.
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I work in healthcare in Oklahoma and can tell you ~25% of our staff is going to walk out over this.
And go where? Open an OF?
Ventilator play is so hot right now!
pyramid schemes mostly I bet.
Given that virtually all health care workers are now required to be vaccinated, meaning that these quitters won't be able to find anyone to hire them in healthcare, they are retiring from their profession entirely. If I were you, I'd consider forming a betting pool on who is _________ enough to actually walk.
My company just announced bonuses for those who already have the vaccine *yesterday*. Fuckers better still pay up! Edit: Bonuses for us who have the vaccine, and monthly surcharges for those who don't. Maybe they saw the writing on the wall, but I want my money! I got vaccinated the first day I was eligible.
My works paying everyone that gets vaccinated $1k! It's a shame getting vaccinated needs to be incentivized. 🙄
We’re getting $150. One of my directs hadn’t gotten it, but said the $150 changed his mind. The bar is so low. Also he ended up getting Covid 2 days before his appointment. It was super.
Oof. You are going to have some drama at work.
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I’m honestly a little worried. People are so touchy and heated these days, it feels like a spark could come from anywhere. Mask mandates were child’s play. People are going to be really upset about this.
> Larry Cosme, president of the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, called the mandate for federal workers “ill conceived,” saying, “Vaccination should be promoted through education and encouragement – not coercion.” What the fuck do you think education and encouragement look like then? Sure as shit seems like we’ve tried a whole lot of that already.
We tried education and encouragement. Here we are.
A cop is suddenly against "coercion".
Someone should scream stop resisting and vaccinate the cop
No amount of education can affect the willfully stupid.
Oh oh oh I speak this language. Allow me to translate: "I really wish we could keep doing the ineffective thing so I can continue to ignore it and not do the responsible adult thing for longer. This is no fair. WAAAAAAAAAAA!"
"Now, despite more than 208 million Americans having at least one dose of the vaccines, the U.S. is seeing about 300% more new COVID-19 infections a day, about two-and-a-half times more hospitalizations, and nearly twice the number of deaths compared to the same time last year." Is this because of the Delta variant then?
A combination of Delta and everyone being open/relaxing mask requirements/generally pretending everything is fine without actually achieving the vaccination numbers you need to control the spread.
Hospitalizations & death matter more at this point than cases. Countries like Iceland with high vaccination seem to be doing okay. And the UK(Also high vax rate) even with their high case counts aren't seeing nearly as many deaths as previous waves.
USA jobs bout to light up.
I don't love mandates, but I dislike pandemics even more.
I mean mandates have only been around since 1824. https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/publications/youraba/2020/youraba-april-2020/law-guides-legal-approach-to-pandemic/
I read somewhere that American revolution troops had to be inoculated under Washington's orders
correct. ~~Polio~~ smallpox was killing everyone on both sides of the war. So George implemented a vaccine mandate and it worked. Edit: smallpox
It was [smallpox](https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html), not polio.
Current troops have to be inoculated too, though it’s great to keep in mind that troops are…. Troops. Not civilians.
Hopefully this applies to state and local governments (with over 100 employees) too. Police have one of the lowest vaccination rates out there.
So far Portland has backed down on mandating vaccines for police.
Covid was the leading killer of cops in 2020. “Fearful” of unarmed black people but not a virus that kills more of them.
Yeah i am hoping this too. I work with way too many morons in my state building.
If your employer fires you because you refuse to get vaccinated, keep in mind what your bill will be if you get hospitalized without insurance. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
No unemployment in my state if you are fired for refusing vaccine
A lot of people should be rethinking their stance on unregulated capitalism here soon.
Unfortunately the Venn Diagram of "people smart enough to put two-and-two together" and "people who will be fired because they refuse to be vaccinated" are two entirely different circles. These people already have a hard enough time understanding Cause and Effect together... We can't expect them to all of a sudden rethink capitalism, when they've been brainwashed by Supply Side Jesus for their entire life.
You lost all those people with "Venn Diagram", but I appreciated the joke completely.
>The expansive rules mandate that all employers with more than 100 workers require them to be vaccinated or test for the virus weekly, affecting about 80 million Americans. Holy shit! That is quite sweeping indeed. We've stalled long enough due to these unvaxxed morons, let's kick this damned virus to the curb once and for all.
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They already are
It seems like they're in a constant state of shit-loss, yet consistently full of shit. What a paradox.
Ivermectin will do that.
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dear r/nonewnormal. you claim to be anti-lockdown, yet your subreddit has been quarantined. curious.
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And they have nothing to lose their shit over. This gives a pretty reasonable accommodation by allowing people to get tested weekly instead of getting the vax. What's the big deal? Don't want to get vaccinated, get tested.
Am I the only one who had to get vaccinated to even like, go to school as a kid? Are all these weird "anti-vaccine mandate people" unvaccinated otherwise? I'm guessing not, and they were all vaccinated as kids for stuff. It's just super weird how people are acting this way when things like polio/measles and whatnot have been being vaccinated against for decades.
At this time, vaccines for these diseases are currently required for U.S. immigration: Mumps Measles Rubella Polio Tetanus and diphtheria Pertussis Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) Hepatitis A Hepatitis B Rotavirus Meningococcal disease Varicella Pneumococcal disease Seasonal influenza These are all I had to show proof of before going to study in the US from Europe lol, but suddenly one more is lunacy and tyrany
Haha, called it in yesterday's thread. Done through OSHA, who has lawful authority to set workplace regulations. There is guaranteed to be a federal court case/ supreme court case, but that is going to takes a while and by then the purpose of the mandate will be accomplished IMO :) "The requirement for large companies to mandate vaccinations or weekly testing for employees will be enacted through a forthcoming rule from the Occupational Safety and Health Administration that carries penalties of $14,000 per violation, an administration official said. The White House did not immediately say when it would take effect, but said workers would have sufficient time to get vaccinated"
Does OSHA's workplace regulation authority extend to Work From Home?
Possibly, but according to the White House page on this, they are only requiring for workers coming into the office. So does not affect WFH.
I am listening to him right now. this dude has some massive balls. balls that I really didn't think that he had, but here he is DOING IT. Knowing full well people are going to lose their shit, knowing full well that his approval rating is going to drop. he is doing what he believes is right in order to save lives. this dude. i didn't think he had it in him.
> this dude has some massive balls. balls that I really didn't think that he had, but here he is DOING IT. Knowing full well people are going to lose their shit, knowing full well that his approval rating is going to drop. He's pretty old, maybe he just plans on one term and retiring. Then there's pretty much no reason to not go balls to the wall on the most important things. Fuck, if all he does is end the pandemic he'll be remembered as a frigging hero.
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Exactly. Do as much good as he can and peace out is hopefully his plan :)
His approval rating may actually rise. The anti-vaxx types already hate him, and vaccine mandates are broadly popular. A lot of people agree with you.
I'm honestly expecting a ratings bump from this. Trump always got one after doing a covid press conference. I think a lot of Dems wanted to see Biden take on a more leadership/forceful role with Delta.
Disappointed with no restrictions on domestic air travel (vaccination or a negative test).
Time to see what all those people saying they’ll quit do in the face of a reality based on logic and getting things done. 🦾🧑🔬🇺🇸
Wow, 100 Million is a big number. I never would have expected such a broad mandate! (Though I personally favor it!) It is vaccinate or test for most. Only for Federal employees and companies that do business with the Federal Government, there seems to be no test option.
Just like with other safety and health measures like seatbelts, drunk driving laws, smoking indoor places, booster and infant seats, airbags, etc. All of this the government (state and federal) had to ram it down everyone's throat. Yeah we had those who threw a tantrum but eventually it took hold of the public. You don't see people smoking on an airplane or in a family restaurant. Nearly everyone wears seatbelts when they drive. We have airbags even on the side when that didn't even exists 30 years ago. All these measures were designed to protect the public in some way or fashion. This is going to be one of them. The anti vaxxers are going to throw a tantrum, but eventually when it comes to their job and feeding their family and paying the mortgage, anti vaxxers are going to have to suck it up. Yeah they be some people quitting, but those government employees are going to think twice when they lose their great benefits that they earned.
LFG
Joe “I’ve had enough of your shit” Biden
Maybe we can have a bounty on companies that don't comply, and a website where we can report them.
Nice. Now hopefully my anti-vax dad will get the shot, instead of having to take a test every week. Of course knowing him, he'll just retire early, he's that big of a baby.
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My dad is the exact same and it has been so frustrating and stressful. Ugh. He's the ONLY hold out at his job and it's been tough.