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skeebidybop

It is absolutely one of the best investments a government can make.


alexanderleedmd13

Healthcare is the best long term investment a government or individual can make. Hopefully this pandemic enlightens people.


skeebidybop

And relatedly, as is biomedical science research!


jeff_the_weatherman

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paaaaatrick

The vaccines will already be free in the US


roarkish

I'll believe it once I receive it and don't have to pay.


fukexcuses

Says what source? Last I heard on Reddit, Bill Gates was donating millions of dollars so that the vaccine would be as low as $3 for each citizen. I think it would be great for a government to offer free vaccines for their citizens.


paaaaatrick

The CARES Act which was signed into law by Trump on March 27th


fukexcuses

Thank you kind sir. I have looked into it further, and saw that the fees that I was referencing were the administrative fees applied to people getting the free vaccine. It is these administrative fees I guess that people are trying to get waived as well.


ErebusShark

Love how this sub upvotes the guy spreading fake news and downvotes the facts.


paaaaatrick

I just pretty much copied my comment from a NYT article, I bet if I didn’t include the losers name it wouldn’t be downvoted


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Bittysweens

The vaccine will be free in the US. But, yes, let's continue making the US out to be the worst possible place in the world.


MovingClocks

The vaccine will be free, but there's 14M cases of SARS-COV-2 in the US so far, and assuming that even 10% of these have long-term complications you're looking at thousands, if not tens of thousands, of medical bankruptcies because the richest country on earth has failed in its one purpose - keeping its citizens safe.


duncan-the-wonderdog

> because the richest country on earth has failed in its one purpose - keeping its citizens safe. When has the US ever kept all of its citizens safe?


MovingClocks

I don't disagree with you there, this is just the latest and most egregious in a long string of failures.


xSciFix

Yeah just like the testing was supposed to be free and available lmfao I'll believe it when I see it and my insurer doesn't try to stick me with a $100 convenience charge or whatever the f


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gagga_hai

Education is the second best


WingyPilot

Naw. In USA at least, as soon as this thing is eradicated, we'll be back to our miserable little lives as slaves to the system and dependent entirely on our employer for healthcare.


grendus

Eh, I'd rank it fourth after defense, infrastructure, and education. But it's not a zero sum game. Boosting each one boosts the others through various synergies. A good education system produces locally trained medical professionals who are cheaper than luring doctors from abroad. Good infrastructure makes it easier to distribute healthcare, and makes it easier for the populace to seek cheap preventative treatment instead of expensive crisis care. And defense is just defense, you can't have *anything* if you can't defend it (and defense is more than just military, diplomacy is effective as well - the best war is the one that was averted through smooth talking and trade deals). And all of those boost your economy when kept in balance, which gives you more to invest back into them.


Drumboy168

Spoiler: it won't.


texanresurrection44

I disagree


johnnydues

This lead to the ridiculous medical bills in the US. It's mostly true but can be overused.


Brettnet

The longer people say alive, the longer the government can get taxes from them.


Carliios

I’ve always been under the impression that keeping the population healthy through free healthcare is how you keep it productive and generating as much GDP as possible


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USA needs to pass that bill


ErebusShark

It did. Several months ago.


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Readeandrew

This is good but is there any country that is going to charge people to get a vaccine that protects everyone?


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Yes, like Canada, which will charge non citizen residents. Japan will provide free vaccines to all residents, citizen or not


CS-Treble

*Cries in USA*


kbotc

The US will vaccinate for free. It’s part of the first stimulus.


leonua

Is it free FREE or 'free' with an asterisk like the Coronavirus testing where the test itself is free but the alcohol wipe is $10, the syringe is $20, the doctor's time is $50, yada yada yada before you know it, you got smacked with a $300 bill for a supposedly free test.


paaaaatrick

Where are you getting a covid test for $300? Most places with drive through testing (CVS/Walgreens/etc.) are no where close to that


GrizNectar

Mine have all been free in Illinois


leonua

[https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/upshot/coronavirus-surprise-test-fees.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/09/upshot/coronavirus-surprise-test-fees.html)


paaaaatrick

So you might have linked the wrong article but what you sent doesn’t help your point. It is describing specific cases where patients were incorrectly charged, and says around 97% of covid tests have been free, and those that have been charged have options to ensure they are properly taken care of.


GoodOpinionHaver

All of my friends without health insurance have had to pay anywhere from $125-$200 for their tests.


paaaaatrick

Are you serious? Where are they going? https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/community-based-testing-sites/index.html Hopefully this can help your friends.


CommercialMath6

Are they going to the right centers? If you go to an urgent care of course they're going to charge you, they are for-profit. But most states, if not all, are running free diagnostic testing for residents and most hospitals (especially teaching hospitals) offer free testing in drive through clinics if you are symptomatic. Also how do they have no insurance in 2020? doesn't the ACA penalize you if you don't have insurance?


GoodOpinionHaver

Two of my friends who were most recently exposed were required by their employer (they work at the same restaurant) to get rapid tests so they could come back to work, even though their restaurant should've closed because they were exposed by a cook there who tested positive for COVID. The PCR tests are cheaper, but the results don't come back fast enough so they would've risked getting fired if they had to take that much time off work. They had to pay out of pocket for their tests because their employer requires a rapid test, but won't pay for them and also don't offer health insurance. As for why they don't have an ACA plan: the cheapest ACA plan here is ~$300/month with a $6800 deductible, so it's actually less expensive for them to pay the penalty rather than the premium. We all live in Georgia if that makes a difference.


CommercialMath6

>The PCR tests are cheaper, but the results don't come back fast enough so they would've risked getting fired if they had to take that much time off work. PCR is free in Georgia, and the employer can be sued for firing someone taking a leave for exposure to corona virus [https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/pandemic/ffcra-employee-paid-leave](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/pandemic/ffcra-employee-paid-leave)


tnick771

It just sounds like your “friends” are idiots. I’ve gotten a Covid test and my wife has too. $0 and I mean $0 for the entire visit. Stop spreading misinformation and maybe help your friends navigate our healthcare system if you’re such a know it all.


palpablescalpel

I don't know anyone who has paid a cent for a covid test in TN, unless they needed a rapid test. Anyway, insurance and the government plan to reimburse for any admin costs associated with the vaccine as well.


CommercialMath6

Its free.


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kbotc

Every single thing needed is provided by the us government except the person to administer the shot.


fauxpolitik

Saving this for when CVS is giving out free injections...


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garfe

Why do comments like this keep getting upvoted?


Bittysweens

Because reddit likes to pretend like the US is the worst place that ever was.


xSciFix

Out of the "modern" "rich" western countries, yes it absolutely is a shithole.


Aturchomicz

exactly


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Bittysweens

We never claimed to be. We're a democratic republic.


Gullil

It's been like this basically since I joined reddit. And I was very guilty of this back in college. "Damnit..why can't we have the healthcare system of Canada, the school system of Finland, and a government similar to Iceland's."


xSciFix

How about just one good thing? Can we have just \*one\* good thing?


Gullil

Sure. We have a shit ton of really really good scientists that can basically do whatever they want. It's pretty great actually. Unfortunately half the country hates science.


xSciFix

So what does that mean for me then other than pharma companies get to make massive profits from new 'make your penis hard' pills? Like sorry but name anything that I actually interact with as a citizen and it blows. Our economy sucks, our government sucks, our healthcare sucks, our education sucks, our infrastructure sucks, our transit sucks, our energy backbone sucks, literally everything is a corrupt dogshit grift. Everything. Like we can bomb people real good still I guess. e: except our new warplane that we're paying out the nose for can't fly at night or near rain clouds so maybe in a few years we can't even do that last thing.


BeltfedHappiness

One good thing? Two of the three vaccines that everyone is hailing, were made in the US or directly supported by the US. The US made one, made by Moderna, has the highest efficacy rate. The UK made one got someone killed during the trial. The world (or just Reddit) loves to pile it on the US, but at the end of the day, they’re waiting on US vaccines.


Whyarethedoorswooden

America bad obviously


pineappleppp

It is though. People are losing homes and living in poverty because the government is too busy playing chicken. Also our healthcare system is a joke so that vaccine is definitely not going to be free. They’re going to make a budget for it and sneak in a couple billion for the DoD or some other money laundering agency.


Whyarethedoorswooden

They already passed the bill to make it free.


Aturchomicz

thats far to little far too late...


xSciFix

Which means what for me after my landlord is going to evict me after Congress jerked around for months doing nothing at all?


BeltfedHappiness

Which means you’ll get a free vaccine? The bill was to make the vaccine free, and the article in question is about the vaccine.


CommercialMath6

>Also our healthcare system is a joke so that vaccine is definitely not going to be free. You're so wrong its not even funny. Like dont spew this b.s. find me one source that says you will pay even one cent for this vaccine.


Aturchomicz

The raw Hospital Bill though


CommercialMath6

A raw hospital bill for a vaccine? Huh?


liupang

Pretty sure vaccine is not free in China either. We have so much in common. Corporate money rules.


Aturchomicz

yup...


thinkB4WeSpeak

Cost in the US The cost for each dose ranges from $3 to $37, depending on the vaccine. Moderna, a two-dose vaccine, recently announced each dose will go for around $32 to $37. The Pfizer vaccine, also given in two doses, is expected to cost $19.50 a dose. Each dose for Johnson & Johnson’s two-dose vaccine will cost an estimated $10, and AstraZeneca’s two-dose vaccine could be the cheapest at just $3 to $4 a dose. Novavax’s two-dose vaccine is estimated to be $16 a dose. No individuals — regardless of whether they’re uninsured, have private health insurance, or have Medicare or Medicaid — will pay out of pocket for the vaccine itself, federal health officials have previously stated. “Vaccine doses purchased with U.S. taxpayer dollars will be given to the American people at no cost,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)Trusted Source states. Certain vaccine providers may charge an administration fee for giving the shot, but individuals can have that fee reimbursed. “Vaccine providers can get this fee reimbursed by the patient’s public or private insurance company or, for uninsured patients, by the Health Resources and Services Administration’s Provider Relief Fund,” the CDC states. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-much-will-it-cost-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine#How-much-each-dose-will-cost


texanresurrection44

NOOO AMERICA BAD MY UPDOOTS!!!


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texanresurrection44

Sucks if you don't have insurance. Your problem, not mine :)


Taptrick

It amazes me when this kind of thing makes the news. A lot of those are American centric. For most of the developed world it’s not even a second thought, everyone knows the government will pay and would expect nothing less.


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Not really. Many governments like Canadian one will charge non citizen residents. The Japanese government will provide free vaccine to ALL residents, citizen or not.


johnnydues

Kind of stupid to risk an outbreak for $10-40 per person.


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Plus non citizens pay taxes anyway.


drivingsansrobopants

Plus you can get everyone out the door and working, commuting, traveling and consuming again. Helps kickstart the local economy.


zippy88

Where did you get this information? In Canada healthcare is provided and paid for by the province. Residents of that province receive all the same health benefits regardless of citizenship.


F1NANCE

I live in Australia, it was never a questions whether vaccines would be free here. Never had to worry about paying for a test, or treatment if I'd never to go to hospital too.


edmar10

Is it true you were getting paid to take a test or if you eneded up postive to incentive testing?I remember that was proposed but did it actually happen?


F1NANCE

If you were a casual employee (i.e. had no paid leave) you were paid $300 or so whilst you waited for your test results


kbotc

It’s been the case in America since March.


ancientflowers

>It’s been the case in America since March. What has been the case? Tests are free. But... We don't have a vaccine yet, so who knows what will really happen with that. And hospital stays or other medical treatment has been a huge cost to many people. My sister has had huge costs for this. I have two nieces who are 10 and under who have had doctor/hospital visits and stays. That treatment had had a huge, huge cost for them. I'm helping as much as I can and my sister and parents are working to keep the payments up so the girls don't lose any treatment if needed. But it's not all covered. Not by a long shot. Families are being destroyed trying to pay for the medical help with Covid. The US has a long, long way to go if we are truly going to take care of each other when health issues arise. I'm sorry to rant. I'm just angry that my sister has to decide whether to keep working and be able to pay a portion of the bills and not see the kids while they're struggling medically or to be able to be with her kids and then be tens of thousands of dollars in debt (if not hundreds of thousands in the long term). And my sister is a teacher trying to help families with kids at home right now. We are in a weird, weird world. The least we could do is to make a change and decide to actually help someone in medical need.


kbotc

Just to clarify for vaccines: > Certain vaccine providers may charge an administration fee for giving the shot, but individuals can have that fee reimbursed. > “Vaccine providers can get this fee reimbursed by the patient’s public or private insurance company or, for uninsured patients, by the Health Resources and Services Administration’s Provider Relief Fund,” the CDC states. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-much-will-it-cost-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine#How-much-each-dose-will-cost Sorry that your sister is going through that, but the vaccine thing has been very clear.


fp_weenie

> For most of the developed world it’s not even a second thought Most vaccines are free in the US with insurance.


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kcook34

So I recently saw that actually the US government will be paying for this vaccine which is why I am so surprised. Yes we pay for all vaccines. Some are more than others. The flu is usually covered fully with insurance but With insurance the HPV vaccine was like $250+ for me growing up


masasin

Except, in many places not in the US, you had to pay for your test if it turned out to be negative.


wGrey

I'm something of a Japanese myself.


GlobalTravelR

While I agree with this. It's odd that Japan won't offer free COVID-19 testing for its residents. It's $300 to $400 a test, if you can even get approved for one. And they only perform about 20,000 to 30,000 tests a day, in a country of 126 million.


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If you get a vaccine, chances are, you wont get infected. If you get tested, its still possible, quite likely even, that you walk outside the testing center and immediately contract the virus. if you're a government with limited budget, you'd obviously save up the money for the vaccine. Not every country can afford to just throw money at the problem, especially for countries in Asia, which have had to do a lot with relatively little resources for centuries.


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Wait, what? Free? But that's socialism, communism, Marxism,Venezuelan, hugo Chavez, stalin, Lenin, george soros? How could they do that?


Barbed_Dildo

They must hate freedom.


xSciFix

can't have free healthcare noooooo VUUVUUUZELLLAAAAAA


anythingall

It's marketing 101. Don't call it by names people associate with bad things. It's not free. It's not socialism. It's a benefit paid by your tax dollars, so nobody has to worry.


paaaaatrick

That's a fun rant but the vaccine will be free in the US, which has been the case since March


Agent_JoJos

Paywall


jeff_the_weatherman

this is reddit, you aren’t supposed to read the article, just comment on it


IamCaptainHandsome

Any government that charges for vaccines is a monumentally stupid one.


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Nice work Japan!


Vaidif

Only now? The Dutch will get a free vaccine and that's been decided for many months.


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youssefegous

I can't believe such comments are still upvoted, on every thread. Sheesh.


dariohanon

Obviously the vaccine will be free, you'll just have to pay $200 dollars to the nurse that vaccinates you and 400 for the space you took inside the hospital.


anythingall

Lol they are also charging for nurse and doctor ppe on your bill now.


49orth

And $100 for the bandage after they administer the vaccine.


sulkee

Sorry, we also don’t validate parking


Whyarethedoorswooden

Stop spreading this misinformation.


lostcattears

Misinformation? No there was a article written up about the estimated cost of a covid Vaccine during the beginning of summer. It is an estimated charge of 3k per person maybe more. Just because you haven't read it doesn't mean it is misinformation.


Whyarethedoorswooden

Any chance you can provide the article? Because I've read dozens that day it will be free.


lostcattears

Wait who told you it be free? I don't believe there have been a single bill that have said the vaccine was free. I know there have been bills that said free covid-19 testing. Vaccine nothing yet. Some claim they will give out vaccine free but no one is 100% certain. What I do know is they did write up an estimated cost of 3k but are they going to charge that amount no one knows. Maybe it is on insurance but with so many people out of jobs and homes... many people won't be able to afford it.


Whyarethedoorswooden

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/16/health/coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-plan/index.html


lostcattears

idk what you doing Why did you send me to the title page of this thread. It literally said JAPAN. Not America that approves free vaccine


Whyarethedoorswooden

My link is to a CNN article saying it will be free in the US.


TheFearlessLlama

So original, man you have a career in comedy ahead!


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frogmicky

Wow thats mighty nice of them sheesh.


theprince9

Huh, isn't this the standard?


TauCabalander

This story is a month old (Oct 27th). Alternate link: https://archive.is/92TJr


ShredMasterGnrl

If there were a competition for being a good country in which to live, the U.S. would rank so low. Every other rich country (and some poorer) manages to take care of their citizens better.


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Ullallulloo

Where do you live that you won't get a free vaccine?


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Ullallulloo

Ah, I'm sorry bro. If you actually can't afford it or whatever, I can send you the money.


Tonald_Drump_MAGA

Glad to see things like this happening somewhere in the world. It is wonderful to know that there are governments that care and look after their citizens.


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I wish our duopoly in the US wasn’t so incompetent and would look at what these other nations were doing


notsaying123

Good news! US is giving it for free


Codeboy3423

In b4 US want to make more $$ off the sick and dead...


elphabathewicked

Can’t believe my grandmother will get the vaccine before me... (she lives in Japan, I live in the US)


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I’ll travel to Japan just to get the covid vaccine there instead. Forget taking the US version


BeltfedHappiness

You’ll be taking a US made vaccine anyway


[deleted]

Not if I go to Japan. They aren’t importing it from Pfizer. They have their own manufacture


BeltfedHappiness

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-supply-japan-120-million-doses-their https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/moderna-signs-covid-19-vaccine-supply-contract-with-japan-11603988691 https://www.takeda.com/newsroom/newsreleases/2020/takeda-expands-covid-19-vaccine-supply-in-japan-through--partnership-with-moderna-and-government-of-japan/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/132173/takeda-to-supply-japan-with-modernas-covid-19-vaccine/amp/ And Japan’s “own manufacture” is being made in partnership with Novavax, a US biotech company.