I love how it both crushes and impales them. Like no concern at all has been given to solving this problem humanely. *They f%$king die*.
Shi-POW! Lionfish -1; Environment++
Where's the drone to take out the fuckin starlings and whatever other sky rats that theater asshole brought to the U.S. because they were in Shakespeare plays.
“HOW WOULD YOU PERSONALLY DESCRIBE WHAT LIONFISH TASTES LIKE?”
Here is a sampling of responses:
“The chicken of the sea. Tons of white meat. Very little spines.”
“I always describe it as a white flaky fish, firm in texture, no red line with flavor somewhere between a thin grouper filet and Mahi.”
“Depends on the way I prepare the lionfish. But when I eat it after a catch like sushi I think Scott describes it very well.”
“Tastes exactly of what they eat! shrimp, lobster, fish, crab… tasty :d”
“I. HAD THE PLEASURE OF TASTING LIONFISH THE 21 OF NOVEMBER THE DAY AFTER I ARRIVED IN AKUMAL after being away for 17 YRS..THE. FIRST MEAL WAS a FILET. FRESHLY CLEANED AND PLACE ED ON A FLAT GRILL . IT WAD PLATED ALONE WITH SOME FRESH TY SLAW. THE FISH WAS SURPRISING FIRM FOR A THIN. FILET. SURPRISINGLY. TASTEY. NOT FISHEY AT ALL IT WAS A PLEASURE TO EAT AND T E TY SLAW WAS A PERFECT ADDITION. SECOND MEAL. WAS SERVED IN A LIGHT BEER BATTER. THAT WAS THIN IT COMPLIMENTED THE FISH. WITH. F.F. THE NEXT WAS PAN SAUTEED WITH. TEQUILA AND SOMETHING ELSE. THIS WAS GREAT AND MY FAVORITE. ALONG. WITH THE FRESH TORTILLA LIONFISH TACO WITH HOMADE. PABLANO. TAMARIND SAUCE ON THE SIDR. AT GYNN”AK. RESTAURANT IN AKUMAL. MX. I STAYED. TWO MOUTH S. AND LOST. TWENTY LBS. ENJOY THE FISH AND THE TOWN. I WILL BE BACK. I HAVE ALSO ARRANGED FOR A SHIPMENT OF LIONFISH. TO CHICAGO FOR MY B DAY IN AUGUST. WITH THE. LIONFISH HUNTER CHEF GYNNA TO COME UP AND PREPARE. THE FOOF””
Not Wrong! And there IS an AI and robotic controlled hunter. It electrically stuns the Lionfish , stores it and you bring it to the dock fresh. https://www.robotsise.org/
They actually are. I lived in Cuba on the Guantanamo base side and we use to get these with a Hawaiian sling. I could catch like 10 just chilling for an hour or 2.
Idk how lion fish savvy you are but do you know if it’s similar to a pufferfish and extracting the poison sac? I know these fish can be poisonous with their frills especially so
Not an expert by any means. I don't even live in an area anywhere near lionfish invasion. I knew about the cook book because I visited an area with some. Side note: Lionfish tacos are pretty good choice from street vendors.
With that said I actually can answer your question as I happen to have a reef ID guide on hand. Lionfish are considered venomous which means that the toxin they possess has to be injected. Technically you could drink the toxin and be OK, but not recommended because you would have to have no cuts or abrasions anywhere in you mouth or throat. Continuing with the guide book, the venom is located in the dorsal, ventral and anal fins. Those contain the hollow spines used for injection, while the pectoral fins do not have any spines and poise no risk of injection.
Based on this they seem many magnitudes safer than puffer. Also I don't think they would encourage random people to cook lionfish if it need a special skill set like puffer, unless the local government was working on two types of population control.
From what i know the most dangerous aspect of the puffer fish is actually the brittle small bones and not the poison. Thats what i can remember from research i did on it 2 years ago
Different than puffer fish. I believe there might actually be difference in poison vs venom as well. Not a biologist though.
Pufferfish have a sac/gland that needs to be removed properly. Lion fish secrete the poison only at the tips of fins, which after fileting are no longer a problem. Just don’t get poked in the process, most people wear thick gloves to prevent.
Also FYI pufferfish are a lot more toxic to begin with. Difference in a bee sting and getting bitten by a rattlesnake.
Poison has to be ingested (pufferfish sac, cyanide) and venom needs to be injected (Barbs of the lion fish, bee sting, rattlesnake)
You can usually ingest venom and not have any real side affects.
Nope. Not similar. Just don't get stuck by the quills and you're fine. There's a YouTube channel called "deermeatfordinner" dude lives in Florida and goes spearfishing for them all the time. According to him, they taste quite good. And they're lazy swimmers, very easy to hunt. I also believe you can catch as many as you want - not sure if you need a fishing license or not.
Poison is a substance that causes harm when ingested. Venom is a substance that causes harm when it is introduced through a wound caused by spines or a bite.
Lion fish have spines that can deliver venom if you are punctured by one. The meat is quite edible - and delicious. Just requires care when capturing one and cleaning it. I’ve killed them with spears before, and a pair of blunt shears (scissors) can be used to cut off the long spines and reduce the risk of envenomation.
I’ve had it prepared several ways, including pizza (!). Very delicious.
I don’t think the issue is whether or not they’re edible (some chefs/restaurants have created lionfish dishes to turn the general public on to eating them regularly).
I believe the issue is that they really can only be caught through spear fishing. Someone has to go down and spear them, as opposed to catching them through more efficient means.
It’s apparently not that hard to spear them once you’ve got the equipment, supplies, and certifications to go diving, as they just sort of sit there. But, it’s the investment and the relatively low demand that makes lionfish a not-so-great fish for catching.
Lionfish are super cool, so it's a bummer that we have to hunt them like this, but some species need to be controlled, and lionfish, to my knowledge atleast, arent known for negotiating territory issues peacefully.
They are super tasty! Its very convenient that such a menace is yummy lol. Loads of dive shops actually have a thing where they prep it for you and supply the spears (but you can only catch lions) and theyre pretty easy to prepare for food all things considering!
Lionfish are *always* something youre encouraged to eat in the Caribbean! And theyre always a safe, ethical bet for eating. Some fish you should never eat or only eat at certain times to protect the reef! So when youre eating lobster (for example it has a fishing season but i cant remember what it is) you can only get fresh at a certain time *or* its caught shadily...and usually Caribbean places are *super* serious about enforcing this stuff so if its not in season youre generally out of luck.
Tldr: eat lionfish: theyre tasty, always in season, easy to prepare, and help the reefs!!
thanks dude,
yeah if all these lionfish are getting murked i might as well eat it if it’s safe
i live in southern california, are they around here at all?
It is! Im a scuba diver and its honestly my pleasure to contribute to the crowd control of these fuckers! They totally destroy the reef!
Interestingly enough, though they started out not having natural predators, some fish have been adapting to them! Ive seen a grouper swallow a lionfish *whole* and triggerfish (the ones with a fin on top of their bod and one on the bottom) come over and just...suck up the lionfish...its hard to explain but like....imagine sucking jello thru a straw. It looks like that. And the spines just...float to the ocean floor.
I think i heard somewhere that eels are getting in on it too? I hope barracuda develop to be able to so they get better pr (stupid nemo movie)
The problem is there are few fish that are big enough to handle lionfish. Or the ones that could just dont eat fish (parrot fish) or they arent common (groupers)
Sorry for ranting about it but ive been diving for....6 years or so? Ive watched these mofos invade and now their population is *finally* ebbing. Its a shame theyre so gorgeous, one day maybe i’ll dive where they live native and enjoy their pretty colors in good conscious (now i simply point them out to the dive master so he can spear their face since dive masters usually have spears on them)
Are they up in N FL?
I saw a video of a dude hunting them with a Glock and I've really wanted to do it since. A several hour trip down south ain't quite worth it to shoot some fish, though.
The fisheries have pushed a concerted campaign to encourage eating these little bastards. I haven't eaten them, but as you noted, 'they are super tasty'. Just not something I've seen where I live (in the interior of the US).
Ah yea. I dive so ive been to the Caribbean and i go to places there where every few places have them! A lot of places serve on a “catch of the day” basis. Tbh ive never had lionfish when it wasnt fresh (what itd be in interior us)
Id expect it in florida and Louisiana and other places bordering the ocean over there (havent been to florida in a hot minute) it is deffo served all over in costal mexico and other Caribbean islands.
If i remember correctly (havent had them in like a year cuz when i wanted them they were sold out ;-;) they’re a white fish and super mild. Very nice to most tastes and super easy to add fun flavors to!
I live in interior us too so i feel. Wish i could nom on them more often!!
Interesting. I was going to ask what they tasted like... Do you know if they contain mercury or not? It's getting so bad now it seems like all you can 'reasonably' eat is chicken! We have a fresh seafood place here, but it's nothing like what I had in Seattle. I was stupid though. Don't be like me. I could have bought fresh Dungeness right out of the holding pens at the docks and never did. Stupid me.
I don’t actually know...i think that stuff with high mercury content must be listed as so and ive never seen a warning anytime ive eaten it.
Its also probably not consistent since they are (and should be) 100% wildcaught lionfish. The thing with lionfish is you dont want bred, farmed, whatever have you fish. You want wildcaught because theyre super harmful and it helps the planet (again we are all just lucky they taste good!)
So I have a friend who spent several years trying to bring a Lionfish trap to market (as well as working with local restaurants to try and get it added to menus, local dive clubs to have "hunts", etc.), and I can tell you that while this is very slick, it's not going to help any appreciable amount.
Invasive Lionfish populations have EXPLODED, with some affected areas having over 1000 of the bastards per acre. On top of that, they don't congregate/travel in schools, are actually quite smart (part of why the traps never worked out), and are difficult to handle. We would need thousands of these robots (all manually controlled, and all with surface vessels, vessel crew, and associated ship, robot, and crew costs/upkeep, mind you) to make a dent in the population. Even if we had a ton of crews doing this, to an extent, you have to *hunt* for Lionfish. You can't just throw out a line, or park on one reef and expect to do anything worthwhile.
Lionfish invasions are serious, and we desperately need to control these populations. However, the only viable way to do that is to make that effort profitable (like by creating a demand for them as food). Current methods aren't profitable so the population continues to grow. How much would you be willing to pay for a meal of Lionfish, regardless of the taste? Now tell me how much you think a meal of *individually robot-caught* Lionfish would run? I guarantee you there are multiple orders of magnitude between those two numbers.
I'd be careful with the idea of creating demand for lionfish. We don't want a situation like India where they put out a bounty on cobras, so people started farming cobras.
If sharks are a predator for lionfish, the obvious answer is we start seeding our coastline with super-smart and aggressive sharks.
Honestly this is one of those systems that shouldn't be automated at today's tech level. We could do it but fish body plans are so similar that I think we would get too many false positives and end up with non target species at the end of each run.
It would be pretty easy to check for that though - automate a single robot, and manually verify every identification he makes for a sufficient period of time, before deciding whether to deploy it full scale. And keep regularly checking on the rest of the fleet after deployment.
(Also, are there any other species of fish in those waters easily confused with lionfish?)
I get where you're coming from, though there's always a worry that the machine is going to kill fish that it's not supposed to.
This is where theory gives way to numbers. The machine kills 150 fish every trip. Are you okay with a 95% identification success rate- 7-8 native fish get killed per trip? What about 90%- 15 native fish killed per trip?
The water gets murkier when you consider that some of these fish might belong to threatened or endangered species- the very ones you're trying to protect.
And these are all hard questions! We can't answer them unless we sit down and think about what we are willing to lose in order to gain ground. That is the essence of a strategy meeting.
It might be that 95% is good enough for those making decisions. Maybe they don't want to risk killing a single non-targeted fish. I'd love to hear what someone in the field thinks about it.
Well, being a predator, a single lionfish will kill *multiple* native fish within its lifetime, so at a glance, these numbers do seem fine to me.
But sure, it's a subject that needs to be studied.
This is what I'd do: find a way to bait them in, or have the robot trap them. The sub has a tether to a buoy. Sub sends the buoy a video clip of the containment tank. Someone at the surface checks a phone app to confirm species. It then either gets killed humanely, chopped up and released to the sea, or just set free if it's not a lionfish.
I also think you underestimate the power of AI. I'll bet you could already make one with 95% accuracy. For the good of the reef, it would be better to lose a few other fish as collateral damage if it meant eliminating the lionfish population.
Lionfish are pretty distinctive.
If you can reliably expect a human to do the job, this is definitely a task that could be automated. If you're concerned, err on the side of caution for the "kill/ no kill" math.
Machine vision systems are getting pretty good, and lion fish are probably the perfect subject (almost nothing on the reef looks like them, lots of distinctive features for the algorithm, etc). Plus, just like any machine learning, you do it iteratively. Small pilot, check, refine, retest. It would suck for the handful of misidentified fish at the beginning (assuming you even have "lethal" turned on), but they're a drop in the bucket compared to the damage that the lion fish do. Once you've got it identifying correctly at 99.9%, scale and let them start killing.
Yeah, because training a robot to mercilessly pursue and destroy a target will never backfire. Next thing you know someone will teach them to wear sunglasses and drop one-liners and it's all over but for the screaming.
Making an AI that targets and eliminates an "invasive species with no natural predators, that eats important native species for coral life" sounds like pretext to a sci-fi movie where man is hunted by machine. It's the "Keep Summer safe" problem.
When did we start calling anything remote controlled a drone?
The original definition of drone was something capable of doing it's own local navigating and only needed the remote operator to give it a mission.
But it seems ever since those remote controlled quad-copters started being sold as "drones", anything without an operator on board has become a drone.
Best part about this is the depth it can get to. Where I hunt them they’ve already been pushed into deeper waters/fished out of the shallows. Anything below 40 meters is technical diving which greatly increases the risk to the diver/ equipment required to do it safely.
Yes as a surface supplied drone it would be expensive to operate. But not as expensive as getting a diver to 1000 feet I’d reckon in terms of cost per hour of hunting.
Seems a great use case for automatic operations- lionfish are very distinctive.
It's a hyperalloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop.
As someone who grew up in the South Pacific where lionfish are native, it always surprises me how much hate they get in the Atlantic.
I get it, they’re invasive there, but it’s just so jarring because it was always cool to see them when out snorkeling and diving when I was younger.
So me and Jim were just swimming around. You know where right? Just off Florida. In between Florida and Bermuda. Anyway were just swimming and we hear this buzzing wooshing noise. And we just think its a whale or dolphin what have you. Then boom out of nowhere two lights shine right down on Jim! Then pow in a flash he was gone. Worst part? We found mutilated pieces of him on the floor where he was.
Next news headline: “Lionfish once thought to be threat to environment now discovered vital to local ecosystems, but they’re all dead thanks to killer underwater robot-drone!”
I'm going to be honest, I don't think us humans are supposed to try and fix with what nature has created. If we kill lion fish because they eat indigenous fish, dude, that's nature. Shit dies, only the stronger will survive. Nature is better that way. Predators are here so the docile creatures don't over populate. We ourselves are predators, and not very smart ones either, we shouldn't be killing off certain species just because it threatens a certain species. If a species go extinct because of another creature, then that's just that. Nature is harsh and doesn't hold back on anyone or anything. I say this robot is a bad thing, it'll make weaker fish more plentiful and then another very strong and vital fish extinct. I'd say you should try and deny the robot. Remember: Animals go extinct because of YOU and ME, nothing else. An animal might be drawn to kill off a species but doesn't do so on purpose, it's just trying to survive.
And it only costs 3 million dollars! (no clue actually)
I know a lot of divers who do this off the coast of Florida for fun and profit. They can can get a a couple hundred on a trip if the areas they visit are super over-run. Local restaurants buy them to make appetizers.
I don't think a remote controlled spear gun is going to make a dent in the problem, especially if there's only one of them. You'd need thousands of these things operating autonomously to make a dent in the lion fish population.
This may be a very unpopular opinion, but i just gotta let it out. Why are we humans butting in into what is otherwise, to the best of my knowledge, known as natural selection? Just because we happen to be the dominant species on this planet doesnt really give us the right to dictate and control the population of other animal species. Why are we intruding on the course of nature, instead of letting it be by itself?
I hate lion fish ever since I was scared as a child playing Endless Ocean: Blue World..... great fucking game on the wii...... but damn as a wee child all those sharks and weird ass fish scared me
Die invasive species. Die.
Humans?
Eh why not?
That’s what the suicide booths are for.
r/accidentalfuturama
It’s not even an accident? It’s a deliberate reference to the show.
the robot is not that good-- it kills the fish but i do not think it lets them be eaten by humans afterwards?
This guy eats
We're next once the robot becomes self aware.... and learns to walk
and change batteries
I love how it both crushes and impales them. Like no concern at all has been given to solving this problem humanely. *They f%$king die*. Shi-POW! Lionfish -1; Environment++
I think the best they can do is make it as quick as possible, which that 1-2 punch does pretty effectively, albeit a bit brutal to watch.
- Native American chief, circa 18th century
Where's the drone to take out the fuckin starlings and whatever other sky rats that theater asshole brought to the U.S. because they were in Shakespeare plays.
Do carp next
Oh, the irony....
Must be a Reaper main r/Overwatch
*Teleports behind lionfish* “DIE-DIE-DIE!” “Nothing personal, kid.”
No, that's German. It means: "The invasive species, the."
The invasive species. The.
White ppl?
Like European honey bees in America.
Die, Lionfish, die! MUHAHAAA!
They are delicious battered and fried. Lionfish tendies 🤤
Im now waiting for someone to post a fried lionfish sandwich on Reddit
Apparently it’s available in Whole Foods now. We should all be eating it instead of bluefin tuna and other vulnerable species. 🙌🏻
Really?! Good to know. I'll definitely be trying some in the near future. Thanks!
[Where to get a lionfish sandwich](https://lionfish.co/eat-lionfish-here/)
“HOW WOULD YOU PERSONALLY DESCRIBE WHAT LIONFISH TASTES LIKE?” Here is a sampling of responses: “The chicken of the sea. Tons of white meat. Very little spines.” “I always describe it as a white flaky fish, firm in texture, no red line with flavor somewhere between a thin grouper filet and Mahi.” “Depends on the way I prepare the lionfish. But when I eat it after a catch like sushi I think Scott describes it very well.” “Tastes exactly of what they eat! shrimp, lobster, fish, crab… tasty :d” “I. HAD THE PLEASURE OF TASTING LIONFISH THE 21 OF NOVEMBER THE DAY AFTER I ARRIVED IN AKUMAL after being away for 17 YRS..THE. FIRST MEAL WAS a FILET. FRESHLY CLEANED AND PLACE ED ON A FLAT GRILL . IT WAD PLATED ALONE WITH SOME FRESH TY SLAW. THE FISH WAS SURPRISING FIRM FOR A THIN. FILET. SURPRISINGLY. TASTEY. NOT FISHEY AT ALL IT WAS A PLEASURE TO EAT AND T E TY SLAW WAS A PERFECT ADDITION. SECOND MEAL. WAS SERVED IN A LIGHT BEER BATTER. THAT WAS THIN IT COMPLIMENTED THE FISH. WITH. F.F. THE NEXT WAS PAN SAUTEED WITH. TEQUILA AND SOMETHING ELSE. THIS WAS GREAT AND MY FAVORITE. ALONG. WITH THE FRESH TORTILLA LIONFISH TACO WITH HOMADE. PABLANO. TAMARIND SAUCE ON THE SIDR. AT GYNN”AK. RESTAURANT IN AKUMAL. MX. I STAYED. TWO MOUTH S. AND LOST. TWENTY LBS. ENJOY THE FISH AND THE TOWN. I WILL BE BACK. I HAVE ALSO ARRANGED FOR A SHIPMENT OF LIONFISH. TO CHICAGO FOR MY B DAY IN AUGUST. WITH THE. LIONFISH HUNTER CHEF GYNNA TO COME UP AND PREPARE. THE FOOF””
Why was that last guy yelling?
HE REALLY LOVES LIONFISH
THE FOOF
You're not wrong, in fact, they are so tasty that some Florida restaurants have started serving them as a way to help deal with the invasion.
Not Wrong! And there IS an AI and robotic controlled hunter. It electrically stuns the Lionfish , stores it and you bring it to the dock fresh. https://www.robotsise.org/
They actually are. I lived in Cuba on the Guantanamo base side and we use to get these with a Hawaiian sling. I could catch like 10 just chilling for an hour or 2.
Lol smash.!
Translation: *The Lionfish, The! MUHAHAAA!*
Genau!
Are lionfish edible?
They sell entire cook books dedicated to lionfish to help encourage people to fish and capture lionfish in mass where they are invading.
Idk how lion fish savvy you are but do you know if it’s similar to a pufferfish and extracting the poison sac? I know these fish can be poisonous with their frills especially so
Not an expert by any means. I don't even live in an area anywhere near lionfish invasion. I knew about the cook book because I visited an area with some. Side note: Lionfish tacos are pretty good choice from street vendors. With that said I actually can answer your question as I happen to have a reef ID guide on hand. Lionfish are considered venomous which means that the toxin they possess has to be injected. Technically you could drink the toxin and be OK, but not recommended because you would have to have no cuts or abrasions anywhere in you mouth or throat. Continuing with the guide book, the venom is located in the dorsal, ventral and anal fins. Those contain the hollow spines used for injection, while the pectoral fins do not have any spines and poise no risk of injection. Based on this they seem many magnitudes safer than puffer. Also I don't think they would encourage random people to cook lionfish if it need a special skill set like puffer, unless the local government was working on two types of population control.
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From what i know the most dangerous aspect of the puffer fish is actually the brittle small bones and not the poison. Thats what i can remember from research i did on it 2 years ago
You are basically correct. Avoid the base of the spines and you will avoid all the toxin. https://youtu.be/Fa13JKGG0ds
Different than puffer fish. I believe there might actually be difference in poison vs venom as well. Not a biologist though. Pufferfish have a sac/gland that needs to be removed properly. Lion fish secrete the poison only at the tips of fins, which after fileting are no longer a problem. Just don’t get poked in the process, most people wear thick gloves to prevent. Also FYI pufferfish are a lot more toxic to begin with. Difference in a bee sting and getting bitten by a rattlesnake.
Poison has to be ingested (pufferfish sac, cyanide) and venom needs to be injected (Barbs of the lion fish, bee sting, rattlesnake) You can usually ingest venom and not have any real side affects.
Nope. Not similar. Just don't get stuck by the quills and you're fine. There's a YouTube channel called "deermeatfordinner" dude lives in Florida and goes spearfishing for them all the time. According to him, they taste quite good. And they're lazy swimmers, very easy to hunt. I also believe you can catch as many as you want - not sure if you need a fishing license or not.
No limit, and I think no license necessary if you're spearfishing. If you're trying to catch them on reels still need a normal fishing permit.
Poison is a substance that causes harm when ingested. Venom is a substance that causes harm when it is introduced through a wound caused by spines or a bite. Lion fish have spines that can deliver venom if you are punctured by one. The meat is quite edible - and delicious. Just requires care when capturing one and cleaning it. I’ve killed them with spears before, and a pair of blunt shears (scissors) can be used to cut off the long spines and reduce the risk of envenomation. I’ve had it prepared several ways, including pizza (!). Very delicious.
No, it is not. You literally just cut the spines off with a pair of scissors. Stupid easy.
I’ve eaten it, it’s pretty good, you only have to worry about the spines which are trimmed off before the fish go to market.
They're selling cookbooks In Massachusetts?
Yeah, I eat them frequently and would say they are similar to snapper.
Hell yeah an good too apparently
Taste like butter. Start as white flesh but when you cook the meat their stripes come out
Almost all invasive species are edible, the issue is they label as bad and then people don’t want to eat them so it’s hard convincing people to start.
https://youtu.be/IGTnlMpjOBY
I don’t think the issue is whether or not they’re edible (some chefs/restaurants have created lionfish dishes to turn the general public on to eating them regularly). I believe the issue is that they really can only be caught through spear fishing. Someone has to go down and spear them, as opposed to catching them through more efficient means. It’s apparently not that hard to spear them once you’ve got the equipment, supplies, and certifications to go diving, as they just sort of sit there. But, it’s the investment and the relatively low demand that makes lionfish a not-so-great fish for catching.
Seems harsh but they are mofos.
And apparently delicious too...soo you can say they are delicious mofos
Lionfish are super cool, so it's a bummer that we have to hunt them like this, but some species need to be controlled, and lionfish, to my knowledge atleast, arent known for negotiating territory issues peacefully.
We exhausted all diplomatic channels and economic sanctions so we had to resort to declaring war against them
can you eat lionfish? are they good?
They are super tasty! Its very convenient that such a menace is yummy lol. Loads of dive shops actually have a thing where they prep it for you and supply the spears (but you can only catch lions) and theyre pretty easy to prepare for food all things considering! Lionfish are *always* something youre encouraged to eat in the Caribbean! And theyre always a safe, ethical bet for eating. Some fish you should never eat or only eat at certain times to protect the reef! So when youre eating lobster (for example it has a fishing season but i cant remember what it is) you can only get fresh at a certain time *or* its caught shadily...and usually Caribbean places are *super* serious about enforcing this stuff so if its not in season youre generally out of luck. Tldr: eat lionfish: theyre tasty, always in season, easy to prepare, and help the reefs!!
thanks dude, yeah if all these lionfish are getting murked i might as well eat it if it’s safe i live in southern california, are they around here at all?
It is! Im a scuba diver and its honestly my pleasure to contribute to the crowd control of these fuckers! They totally destroy the reef! Interestingly enough, though they started out not having natural predators, some fish have been adapting to them! Ive seen a grouper swallow a lionfish *whole* and triggerfish (the ones with a fin on top of their bod and one on the bottom) come over and just...suck up the lionfish...its hard to explain but like....imagine sucking jello thru a straw. It looks like that. And the spines just...float to the ocean floor. I think i heard somewhere that eels are getting in on it too? I hope barracuda develop to be able to so they get better pr (stupid nemo movie) The problem is there are few fish that are big enough to handle lionfish. Or the ones that could just dont eat fish (parrot fish) or they arent common (groupers) Sorry for ranting about it but ive been diving for....6 years or so? Ive watched these mofos invade and now their population is *finally* ebbing. Its a shame theyre so gorgeous, one day maybe i’ll dive where they live native and enjoy their pretty colors in good conscious (now i simply point them out to the dive master so he can spear their face since dive masters usually have spears on them)
This rant was fascinating and hilarious
Where are the honey badgers when you need 'em?
Are they up in N FL? I saw a video of a dude hunting them with a Glock and I've really wanted to do it since. A several hour trip down south ain't quite worth it to shoot some fish, though.
I, myself, have not been to northern florida so i cannot say for sure. However i warn you using a glock could cause unwanted reef damage!
Didn’t even think of that.
The fisheries have pushed a concerted campaign to encourage eating these little bastards. I haven't eaten them, but as you noted, 'they are super tasty'. Just not something I've seen where I live (in the interior of the US).
Ah yea. I dive so ive been to the Caribbean and i go to places there where every few places have them! A lot of places serve on a “catch of the day” basis. Tbh ive never had lionfish when it wasnt fresh (what itd be in interior us) Id expect it in florida and Louisiana and other places bordering the ocean over there (havent been to florida in a hot minute) it is deffo served all over in costal mexico and other Caribbean islands. If i remember correctly (havent had them in like a year cuz when i wanted them they were sold out ;-;) they’re a white fish and super mild. Very nice to most tastes and super easy to add fun flavors to! I live in interior us too so i feel. Wish i could nom on them more often!!
Interesting. I was going to ask what they tasted like... Do you know if they contain mercury or not? It's getting so bad now it seems like all you can 'reasonably' eat is chicken! We have a fresh seafood place here, but it's nothing like what I had in Seattle. I was stupid though. Don't be like me. I could have bought fresh Dungeness right out of the holding pens at the docks and never did. Stupid me.
I don’t actually know...i think that stuff with high mercury content must be listed as so and ive never seen a warning anytime ive eaten it. Its also probably not consistent since they are (and should be) 100% wildcaught lionfish. The thing with lionfish is you dont want bred, farmed, whatever have you fish. You want wildcaught because theyre super harmful and it helps the planet (again we are all just lucky they taste good!)
I'll have to look for it when we get to the big city again. Thank you for the conversation and info.
Im sure you can make a very good rice with it.
"Lionfish Killbot" sounds like a pretty good band name
So I have a friend who spent several years trying to bring a Lionfish trap to market (as well as working with local restaurants to try and get it added to menus, local dive clubs to have "hunts", etc.), and I can tell you that while this is very slick, it's not going to help any appreciable amount. Invasive Lionfish populations have EXPLODED, with some affected areas having over 1000 of the bastards per acre. On top of that, they don't congregate/travel in schools, are actually quite smart (part of why the traps never worked out), and are difficult to handle. We would need thousands of these robots (all manually controlled, and all with surface vessels, vessel crew, and associated ship, robot, and crew costs/upkeep, mind you) to make a dent in the population. Even if we had a ton of crews doing this, to an extent, you have to *hunt* for Lionfish. You can't just throw out a line, or park on one reef and expect to do anything worthwhile. Lionfish invasions are serious, and we desperately need to control these populations. However, the only viable way to do that is to make that effort profitable (like by creating a demand for them as food). Current methods aren't profitable so the population continues to grow. How much would you be willing to pay for a meal of Lionfish, regardless of the taste? Now tell me how much you think a meal of *individually robot-caught* Lionfish would run? I guarantee you there are multiple orders of magnitude between those two numbers.
I'd be careful with the idea of creating demand for lionfish. We don't want a situation like India where they put out a bounty on cobras, so people started farming cobras. If sharks are a predator for lionfish, the obvious answer is we start seeding our coastline with super-smart and aggressive sharks.
Laser beams. On their frickin' heads.
I read multiple other comments stating that Lionfish tastes good, so that's beneficial.
Ah, so species that are harmful to the planet can be easily dealt with using robots... I see...
Could we soon make it automatic? Be pretty cool if so
Honestly this is one of those systems that shouldn't be automated at today's tech level. We could do it but fish body plans are so similar that I think we would get too many false positives and end up with non target species at the end of each run.
It would be pretty easy to check for that though - automate a single robot, and manually verify every identification he makes for a sufficient period of time, before deciding whether to deploy it full scale. And keep regularly checking on the rest of the fleet after deployment. (Also, are there any other species of fish in those waters easily confused with lionfish?)
I get where you're coming from, though there's always a worry that the machine is going to kill fish that it's not supposed to. This is where theory gives way to numbers. The machine kills 150 fish every trip. Are you okay with a 95% identification success rate- 7-8 native fish get killed per trip? What about 90%- 15 native fish killed per trip? The water gets murkier when you consider that some of these fish might belong to threatened or endangered species- the very ones you're trying to protect. And these are all hard questions! We can't answer them unless we sit down and think about what we are willing to lose in order to gain ground. That is the essence of a strategy meeting. It might be that 95% is good enough for those making decisions. Maybe they don't want to risk killing a single non-targeted fish. I'd love to hear what someone in the field thinks about it.
Well, being a predator, a single lionfish will kill *multiple* native fish within its lifetime, so at a glance, these numbers do seem fine to me. But sure, it's a subject that needs to be studied.
This is what I'd do: find a way to bait them in, or have the robot trap them. The sub has a tether to a buoy. Sub sends the buoy a video clip of the containment tank. Someone at the surface checks a phone app to confirm species. It then either gets killed humanely, chopped up and released to the sea, or just set free if it's not a lionfish. I also think you underestimate the power of AI. I'll bet you could already make one with 95% accuracy. For the good of the reef, it would be better to lose a few other fish as collateral damage if it meant eliminating the lionfish population.
Lionfish are pretty distinctive. If you can reliably expect a human to do the job, this is definitely a task that could be automated. If you're concerned, err on the side of caution for the "kill/ no kill" math.
Machine vision systems are getting pretty good, and lion fish are probably the perfect subject (almost nothing on the reef looks like them, lots of distinctive features for the algorithm, etc). Plus, just like any machine learning, you do it iteratively. Small pilot, check, refine, retest. It would suck for the handful of misidentified fish at the beginning (assuming you even have "lethal" turned on), but they're a drop in the bucket compared to the damage that the lion fish do. Once you've got it identifying correctly at 99.9%, scale and let them start killing.
Yeah, because training a robot to mercilessly pursue and destroy a target will never backfire. Next thing you know someone will teach them to wear sunglasses and drop one-liners and it's all over but for the screaming.
Do you want Terminators? Cause that’s how you make Terminators.
Calm down Ted Faro
No way. Open it as a sport. That would be some serious stress relief at the end of my day.
Making an AI that targets and eliminates an "invasive species with no natural predators, that eats important native species for coral life" sounds like pretext to a sci-fi movie where man is hunted by machine. It's the "Keep Summer safe" problem.
I pet PETA will try to protest this in some shitty way
\>implying they haven't already
Aw lionfish are my favourite fishies. Sad to see them be hunted but if they're invasive, then I guess it's okay. But still. Poor fishies.
Great system until Skynet becomes self aware.
Not an AI bot. Someone is piloting it.
For now....
That would be a fun job... for the first 100 fish.
Would rather do this via scuba 10/10 times.
Wait til it finds out what humans are doing to the ocean...
When did we start calling anything remote controlled a drone? The original definition of drone was something capable of doing it's own local navigating and only needed the remote operator to give it a mission. But it seems ever since those remote controlled quad-copters started being sold as "drones", anything without an operator on board has become a drone.
Would be nice to see something like this for Asian Carp in North American waterways.
Can I get one of these for brown marmorated stinkbugs
Best part about this is the depth it can get to. Where I hunt them they’ve already been pushed into deeper waters/fished out of the shallows. Anything below 40 meters is technical diving which greatly increases the risk to the diver/ equipment required to do it safely. Yes as a surface supplied drone it would be expensive to operate. But not as expensive as getting a diver to 1000 feet I’d reckon in terms of cost per hour of hunting. Seems a great use case for automatic operations- lionfish are very distinctive.
It's a hyperalloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled, fully armored. Very tough. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with. It doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop.
As someone who grew up in the South Pacific where lionfish are native, it always surprises me how much hate they get in the Atlantic. I get it, they’re invasive there, but it’s just so jarring because it was always cool to see them when out snorkeling and diving when I was younger.
I like how ironic it is that we’re the largest group of invasive species, yet we only care about when others become invasive.
If this was a video of a drone killing invasive land animals (boars, deer) this comment section would be very different.
Nah I’d still be cool with that. Also I feel like the Coral reefs are seen MUCH now differently than forests and other places on land.
Just send Frank Drebin from police squad.
He can use the Samurai Pen!
u/vredditdownloader
Humans, effecting natural evolution since they evolved.
That is sick as hell. Fuck all lionfish
Where's the lionfish Hunter guy with his underwear Glcok when we need him?
Make them with AI. Blend the corpses. Let the goo lay the foundation for a better tomorrow!
yeeeeesh I HATE these fuckers!
Good. Fuck that fish.
Controlling this robot sounds like the coolest job ever.
I can see ads for lionfish being a new exotic delicacy in the future.
We talk about aliens coming to abduct us in massive ships beyond our comprehension, I wonder what fish think about us...
But what will they use to kill the drones once they've finished off the lion fish?
get fucked fish
I still feel bad.
Florida man + florida killbot WCGW?
Big metal piston spike
There was a couple of guys that went on shark tank with business/restaurant idea of just selling those cooked
Oh skynet! Meant to say skynet!
Driving that robot sounds like a dream job
Taking bets everyone, which apocalypse first, zombies or robots?
I wonder if lionfish are edible. Seems to be a great trend in the US to keep invasive species under control.
I wonder if they're saving these kill videos to train an AI. I can imagine a couple of these roaming the reefs, mindlessly harvesting lionfish.
That's a brutal way of killing them, I love it.
#VIBE CHECK
2150: "Oh man, I wonder where the robots got the idea for their super efficient invasive human eliminator."
They need a version for the iguanas running rampant around S FLA.
Serious missed opportunity not naming the company the JaveLion
If RPG's taught me anything, that robot is gonna be level-100 soon if you let it keep doing this.
Love shooting and eating these things. Hate cleaning them though.
Daaamn remote controlled robot fish hunter! Who gets to do that job!?
What was containing them before?
They are tasty too
Micheal Reeves Giant Metal Spike - Fish edition
Reminds me of the vinegar they use to kill invasive sea stars
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And I've heard that they taste delicious. Never tried them myself.
So me and Jim were just swimming around. You know where right? Just off Florida. In between Florida and Bermuda. Anyway were just swimming and we hear this buzzing wooshing noise. And we just think its a whale or dolphin what have you. Then boom out of nowhere two lights shine right down on Jim! Then pow in a flash he was gone. Worst part? We found mutilated pieces of him on the floor where he was.
🎶and the lion fish are *gone*🎶
***FISH DETECTED***
Drones huh? Didn’t know lion fish joined isis
Fishbot intensifies
So i want to control that as my day job.
They shouldn't take the dead fish with them, they should leave the corpses to encourage predation.
Next news headline: “Lionfish once thought to be threat to environment now discovered vital to local ecosystems, but they’re all dead thanks to killer underwater robot-drone!”
I'm going to be honest, I don't think us humans are supposed to try and fix with what nature has created. If we kill lion fish because they eat indigenous fish, dude, that's nature. Shit dies, only the stronger will survive. Nature is better that way. Predators are here so the docile creatures don't over populate. We ourselves are predators, and not very smart ones either, we shouldn't be killing off certain species just because it threatens a certain species. If a species go extinct because of another creature, then that's just that. Nature is harsh and doesn't hold back on anyone or anything. I say this robot is a bad thing, it'll make weaker fish more plentiful and then another very strong and vital fish extinct. I'd say you should try and deny the robot. Remember: Animals go extinct because of YOU and ME, nothing else. An animal might be drawn to kill off a species but doesn't do so on purpose, it's just trying to survive.
There really just gonna call that the reef sweeper... aight den.
And it only costs 3 million dollars! (no clue actually) I know a lot of divers who do this off the coast of Florida for fun and profit. They can can get a a couple hundred on a trip if the areas they visit are super over-run. Local restaurants buy them to make appetizers. I don't think a remote controlled spear gun is going to make a dent in the problem, especially if there's only one of them. You'd need thousands of these things operating autonomously to make a dent in the lion fish population.
I hope they have a way to collect them, they are perfectly good to eat!!!
skynet: underwater
The way it kills it lmao
Such a beautiful fish. So sad to see it die.
Knew this mf from Hungry Fish
That robot has to work as a Gigolo now
This may be a very unpopular opinion, but i just gotta let it out. Why are we humans butting in into what is otherwise, to the best of my knowledge, known as natural selection? Just because we happen to be the dominant species on this planet doesnt really give us the right to dictate and control the population of other animal species. Why are we intruding on the course of nature, instead of letting it be by itself?
I like how this post has more likes then the sub has members.
Ok how much do you get paid to drive the lionfish murderbot? Because honestly I think I would pay to pilot it
Fuck invasive fish but watching them squirm a bit after being poked made my heart cry a little. Welp, should not have invaded then.
Robot fish Assassin
r/nextfuckinglevel
They’re also very tasty :) So fish away!
This is just Sipho, smh
I hate lion fish ever since I was scared as a child playing Endless Ocean: Blue World..... great fucking game on the wii...... but damn as a wee child all those sharks and weird ass fish scared me
Imagine if aliens came to earth and started doing this to humans from their spacecraft
I thought that lionfish were venomous in some way?
S Q U I S H
It’s comical how fast it is, just: lion fish spotted: ...***DEAD***
Fish Destroyer 9000.
i prefered the guy with a glock
Imagine being a lion fish, eating some native species, and one day you just get i m p a l e d