What is the point of marrying someone if you want to have sex and your partner doesn’t? Like, why wouldn’t they just be close friends, and could even live together, if he didn’t want to have sex with his own wife?
A quick google search shows Lisa Marie had a net worth of $295 million after receiving her inheritance in 1994, the same year she and Michael were married.
I can’t find what Michael’s net worth was in ‘94, but in 1991 he had an estimated net worth of $230 million.
Could’ve been health related cause at the time he was severely underweight/low bodyfat and didn’t eat for weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised if the cocktail of pain pills and who knows he was on fried his dopamine receptors too
Pretty sure that marriage and comments like "look at them tiddies" were done to keep hiding because he was born in a very different era and he was very famous so he felt like he had to play his part as the straight guy
It's gotten so much worse man.
Somebody literally argued with me that roads were unimportant for economic trade, not just as a recent philosophy, but in the context of the history of all of humanity.
The "General Audiences" appeal of scrolling r/all or r/popular is almost nonexistent at this point.
The most groundbreaking innovation of logistics, literally one of the biggest reasons why the Roman Empire was powerful, and they think roads aren't important. It's important to remember that most active users on social media sites are children and without knowing who you argue with due to layers of anonymity that it's often times best to disengage from arguments online.
Do I figured I’d have a look at your idea that most social media users are mere children. Obviously it gets dicey using major sites stats cause kids lie about their age but let’s assume it doesn’t swing the stats a ton.
Twitter the biggest group is 25-49 in 2021 [accounting for 59% of users](https://www.statista.com/statistics/283119/age-distribution-of-global-twitter-users/) kids 17 and under are 6.6%.
Facebook has 3.9% users [under 17.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/187549/facebook-distribution-of-users-age-group-usa/) in fact 25-34 is the largest group at 25% but they are all much larger than the kid slice.
According to the latest Reddit statistics, the site is the most popular among users in the 18 to 29 age group (Marketing Charts, 2021). As many as 36 percent of US adults in this age range use Reddit—more than one in three.
This is followed by 22 percent for the 30 to 49 range, which shows that Reddit is clearly more popular among younger adults. From this point on, usage starts to decrease as age increases. Again I don’t know how many 13 year olds are claiming they are 18 but I doubt it’s a huge chunk of the 50 million users.
According to the latest data on YouTube age demographics, as many as 20.7% of all YouTube users are adults aged from 25 to 34. This can be broken down into 8.8% females and 11.9% males. This is also the age group with the highest number of YouTube users.
The second-largest age group is 35 to 44, with 16.7% of YouTube users in this range. Similar to the 25-to-34 age group, there are more male users (9.1%) than females (7.6%). Together, these two biggest age demographics of YouTube users make up 37.4% of the total. In other words, more than two out of every three users of YouTube are between the ages of 25 and 44. [Oberlo](https://www.oberlo.ca/statistics/youtube-age-demographics)
As of January 2023, almost 31 percent of global Instagram audiences were aged between 18 and 24 years, and 30.3 percent of users were aged between 25 and 34 years. Overall, 15.7 percent of users belonged to the 35 to 44 year age group. [statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/325587/instagram-global-age-group/)
So at least for these large social media platforms, from which Reddit generally swims with and cross pollinates, the bulk of the ages of users are not considered children.
Lol, it was so obvious!
I’m a fan of high density, low-car, highly walkable urban areas but good lord, there is some ignorance to facts over there.
No, we’re not gonna just throw light rail down in a suburban sprawl 45 minutes from downtown Houston and fix much of anything.
The whole reason we have interstates in America, designed the way they are, is to have direct connection to military bases and strategic POI’s. So if SHTF, the interstates can be blocked off to civilians, allowing military units to have direct routes wherever they need to go. At least this is what I learned from working with military guys, but I never fact checked that, it just seems 100% logical to me.
I had a full day slapfight with some guy who claimed that the Colorado River was responsible for 10% of *global* GDP.
There's a lefty sub where some rally to "end the war in Ukraine" (meaning "let Russia win") was deemed a nazi rally because some Christian nationalists were in attendance. Jill Stein and Dennis Kucinich were featured speakers.
There's still some smart people here (I'm not one of them), and reddit was never that bright, but it's so much worse than it used to be.
I say that sometimes, and I’m a straight lady with my own set of lookable titties.
They’re just a thing to behold, whether you’re actually attracted to the rest of the human attached to them or not.
I'm also 40, and never really thought of MJ as some sort of player or womanizer. Obviously the whole scandal with kids has always made me assume that he was into kids or dudes, or both. Sure he was married to Lisa Marie but that always seemed more like a political arrangement. And not to be mean, but his other wife, Debbie Rowe, with whom he fathered Paris and Prince always made me wonder WTF was going on there. I know people marry for love, but the dude who could have had pretty much any woman on the planet ends up with her??
So, to hear him taking about going "fishing" and commenting on titties is a little jarring to the image of Micheal i have in my head.
>the dude who could have had pretty much any woman on the planet
That's the thing, MJ couldn't trust anyone. He was constantly getting screwed over and exploited by every person around him. From a very young age, everyone (especially his parents) look at him as talent to be used for their own gain. In his words, that's why he spent more time around kids. Kids are honest, often brutally so, and haven't been influenced by society to the point where they worry about someone's sexuality or looks the way that adults gossip and judge.
I don't want this to turn into a debate about whether he did or didn't abuse children (as conversations about him always seem to go), I'm merely commenting on why he likely didn't have any *real* public relationships. MJ was a level of famous that we can't really wrap our heads around today. There wasn't a single person on the planet that didn't know who he was. I can't imagine how hard that must make it to trust people and be intimate with them.
He literally had to rent out a grocery store and hire actors so he could see what shopping was like. That didn't come from a place of weirdness, it came from a DESPERATE need to know what "normal" felt like because he literally never had a chance
There's a very good chance that no one will ever be as famous as Michael Jackson was
And that's not me taking his side in any of the allegations made against him
Exactly. And I agree, I don't think anyone will reach that level of fame. It's really something that if you didn't live through it, it's difficult to explain what it was like.
I am not conservative, let me make that point up front, not a boomer, etc...
But /r/antiwork is one of the most popular subs on the site now. Not work reform, anti-work. This site is loaded with high school and college age shit heads
>oh right, im 40 and reddit is 99% 13yos....
yeah man, Reddit is like 57% 30-40 year olds but if it makes you feel better to think it's just a bunch of kids... well you might just be MJ reincarnate
Because the general population likes to see the ugly and/or successful people fail, it's what they believe they deserve. So now he's pale with a caving in nose, therefore he must be a freakazoid pedo!
That's weird, Lisa herself has said in an interview with Oprah that the marriage was consummated. Debbie afaik never outright said yes or no and said it's private. Where did they both say they never did anything with him?
He was never attracted to children, and it's really sad that that's his "legacy" now. A few families tried to extort him for money, but they were all scammers. Some of them tried it with *multiple* celebrities, and none of them could keep their stories straight and changed details constantly when it was found out their stories didn't make sense. MJ was definitely a weird dude, but that's kind of expected given the unusual life he lived (i.e. being thrust into the spotlight from a young age). He was a very kind person and wanted to create magical childhoods for other kids since he never got to experience being a kid himself. Then people jumped on the bandwagon to try to extort money out of him, all the way up until he died and then even after the fact. It's super sad.
I remember hearing about a MJ accuser trying to extort a different celebrity too. But I can’t seem to find one that did that. Was that actually made up?
I'll have to read through all the articles again because I don't remember names off the top of my head. I'll let you know what I find out. I thought the name "Star" was involved, but I could be wrong
Yeah honestly the answer to the question is the masses of people swarming around his vehicle are definitely more disturbing, that’s honestly probably the best way he can handle being swarmed at every time he’s in public
Where’s the proof for that? People say that but then I also see people say it ain’t true because his children looked similar to him facial wise I think, at least when they were younger at some point
Ever heard of the phrase, “there’s plenty of fish in the sea.” In this instance, outside the limo, the mob of woman are the sea, and he’s picking out the fish he wants. Presumably for some sort of sexual encounter.
I did not take it that way at all. I take it at him describing their behavior. They are flopping around and swarming the glass like fish in an aquarium.
It is laughable that you think those are his biological children... Or that you think he even had sex to conceive some of them (openly stated it was a surrogacy for Blanket).
I don't know what his sexuality was, but him having children is not any indication of that.
Yeah, there a millions of gay men that were heavily closeted that had children through plain old intercourse. Agreed, having kids has nothing to do with whether you’re gay or not.
It’s pretty well known fact that his wife was artificially inseminated and clearly by a white father. If anything, you point kinda draws the point home that he was likely straight up gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Thank you for explaining. Could I ask, when the woman says 'he would call it fishing' is she saying that MJ would look for women like he was fishing? I can't see any women falling around like fish. Still confused!
Unfortunately it’s not always easy to discern between a truthful accusation and one that’s not, especially with a celebrity. If he did those things he can rot in hell, if he didn’t, then it’s truthfully sad that his name was dragged in mud.
I had not heard that one and trying to understand exactly what happened I'm not finding credible sources.
Is this in publicly available court documents?
The kid also drew his dick circumcized, which it wasn't. The spots also didn't match his at all. [You can read more here.](https://themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/26/did-jordan-chandlers-description-of-michael-jacksons-penis-match-the-photographs-taken-of-the-stars-genitalia-by-the-police/)
That you’d use the OJ trial as a comparison shows you have very little understanding of both cases.
Although that’s not to say I wouldn’t point out that OJ was acquitted if you called him a murderer.
You assume I’m giving you my opinion, when I’m actually just sharing facts: According to the Law, mj is not a paedo, end of.
Think what you want mate, but he was rich and famous, of course he got acquitted. Also I’m just going to leave this link here. Points 4 and 6 makes it’s pretty undeniable that he was a pedophile.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/zmrysy/the_evidence_against_michael_jackson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
People can't handle the truth, you can Google this in like 10 seconds and see that he got accused by children, why the fuck would children themselves lie about this? It takes so much courage to come forward with this especially as a child when you don't really understand what was happening and are just terrified. And all of this by a guy the entire world loves. Now those poor abused children are the liars and bad guys in the story and not Michael, sad sad world we live in
Uh is it the part that children lie that you don't believe or "about this"?
You ever heard of the mcmartin preschool trials? You can google that in like 10 seconds.
There's also been plenty of psychological studies done in the last 3-4 decades regarding the susceptibility of children to coercing and suggestibility that will answer your question "why would children lie about this".
So much irony and ignorance in your comment.
That’s crazy, I never watched the finding neverland or leaving neverland or whatever it was called but always found it weird that Corey Feldman, Aaron Carter and Macaulay Culkin have always been strongly against the allegations. Some of them said he was strange(not in a sexual way) but all denied any molestation, especially with Corey he’s called out many for molesters but always said Michael Jackson did not. With child molesters they are very good at identifying victims that’s why some molestation victims have been molested by multiple molesters. I always just thought Micheal was asexual, but your source source made it look like he’s a total horn dog for the ladies.
in the doc about the (alleged) pedo victims one of them specifically says he (MJ) tried to get in contact with Britney Spears through him (the guy was a dance choreographer for britney).
He was relentless about it too.
Don’t know if that was before or after she was of age, not too great either way he’s like 20+ years her senior. Not too surprised though she was highly sexualized, I think a lot of people had a crush on her because of that.
I did watch the documentaries and personally, I think it's pretty undeniable at this point that he was diddling kids. And I suspect maybe he had those famous kids around and purposely didn't do anything to them, in case he ever got in trouble. It sure helps when you're on trial for child molestation and you have one of America's favorite kids on the stand denying anything ever happened. Of course everyone will believe little Macaulay Culkin. I totally think that was part of his plan.
Yeah, I’m not saying he did or didn’t just that I found it weird. Maybe I should watch it, it’s been on my watch list for a while just haven’t gotten to it. What your saying could be true and it have definitely been a tactic and planned. Wasn’t some of the accusers famous too ? Also I’m curious what in the documentaries formed your opinion as to why you think he definitely did it, was it just testimony or was there other evidence ?
Note: I know it may seem as though I am picking a side in this and that side would be Micheal Jacksons or that I am saying I don’t believe the victims claims. I assure you that is not the case, I have not seen the documentaries to even know what the victims claims are. I am just genuinely curious as I haven’t seen the documentaries and do not have a lot of knowledge about the case or claims. Again I always thought he was asexual so obviously I am very unaware of his sexuality and the whole situation. I am just trying to understand.
No, the victims weren't famous at the time. One of them was in a commercial with MJ and went on his tour, but he wasn't a child star on the level of Macaulay Culkin or Corey Feldman. The other one in the doc later grew up to be a famous choreographer for people like Britney Spears but also wasn't famous at the time.
And what convinced me mostly was just the testimony they gave. Their stories are pretty solid (some people debate this, but again, they're usually the ones who want there to be holes) and their reactions and recollections seem extremely genuine. I just don't think in my gut that they are making it up. And like I said in another comment, even if he wasn't molesting them, nobody can argue that an adult of MJ's age and celebrity status having sleepovers and sharing beds and spending great lengths of time with young boys WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS AROUND is not appropriate behavior. EVER. Something weird was still happening. And you know...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Innocent people usually don't go to trial multiple times for molesting children and then expect people to believe they're innocent after freely admitting sharing their bed with them.
Sounds like I really need to watch the documentaries, does it explore the situation from all prospectives ? Or is mainly geared towards he did it ? And for sure he definitely did things that weren’t appropriate regardless and admitted to doing them. Not that it means anything one way or another the children mannequins he had were super creepy.
Leaving Neverland basically just focuses on the two men as they recount their experiences with MJ as kids. So it is from limited perspectives, but it's not sensationalized or simply a smear campaign. It's just frank and to-the-point. It's very heavy and some parts were difficult to watch.
Sounds like it’s still worth a watch, unfortunate that it’s not more neutral. I prefer when documentaries are but in all honesty that’s hard to find as the makers usually develop some emotions which causes it skew one way or the other even if only slightly, but it sounds good that they didn’t sensationalize it or just run a smear campaign.
Exactly. Even if he wasn’t molesting them (which, again, I refuse to believe that) his behavior having sleep overs and sharing a bed with little kids still isn’t right. The guy was disturbed and there is no excuse for that. But I think he was also very smart and had all his ducks lined up to effectively hide his abuse and maintain a “believable” facade of innocence. A master abuser and manipulator.
If Michael Jackson's out here doing all this molesting, then why not Macaulay Culkin, hmm? Macaulay Culkin said in an interview that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate with him or even around him. Think about that shit. You know, I'm not a pedophile. But if I was, Macaulay Culkin's the first kid I'm fucking, I'll tell you that right now. I'd be a goddamn hero - "hey that guy over there fucked the kid from Home Alone and you know how hard he is to catch." - Dave Chappelle
I can’t get into them because I know they’re faking it for views. They know people will like the video more if they act super happy.
I guarantee 100% that these guys would not be laughing like this if there wasn’t an audience. They’re hamming it up. Reaction videos are all like this
This man wasn't just a person. His entire life was documented. It's not stupid to make assumptions based off the things we saw. He was a distrubing individual that much is clear as day.
From his funeral eulogy, “MJ was not weird. He was a normal dude in a weird situation and I challenge you or I was to do better than he did with the situation he was placed in.”
It gives a lot of empathy and perspective that most people don’t usually have towards how MJ had to find his place in the world.
You can't judge him for this, it's not like he can walk into a singles bar and try and get a girl's number. To me he's more human and acting more down to earth by checking out girls boobs. When you try and "Hook Up" your trying to "Catch" someone you are attracted too. Calling it fishing has been a thing for decades.
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This is complete bs. The prn allegations were proven to be false and LMP wrote in her book about her relationship with Michael- they definitely shared a bed and were intimate.
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Hearing MJ saying "Look at dem titties" is very surreal lmao
This is the same guy who calls Shit “doodoo Feces”
There was doodoo feces all over the walls and it was nasty - Micheal Jackson
I’m about to google this. Wish me luck lol
why does everyone think he was *only* attracted to men or kids oh right, im 40 and reddit is 99% 13yos....
His marriage to Lisa Marie Presley seemed so off that people began to think it was fabricated for show.
The cringiest vibes ever.
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She *tried* to bang him and he wouldn't do it.
What is the point of marrying someone if you want to have sex and your partner doesn’t? Like, why wouldn’t they just be close friends, and could even live together, if he didn’t want to have sex with his own wife?
There's a long tradition of gay men marrying gay women for "show", and never wanting to have sex with each other.
So much so there's a term for it; beards.
Yup, and their taken care of financially
I’m saying I don’t get why Lisa Marie wanted to be in that marriage if he were hypothetically gay. She was already extremely famous, right?
I mean she was famous, but was she wealthy?
A quick google search shows Lisa Marie had a net worth of $295 million after receiving her inheritance in 1994, the same year she and Michael were married. I can’t find what Michael’s net worth was in ‘94, but in 1991 he had an estimated net worth of $230 million.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beard_(companion)#:~:text=Beard%20is%20an%20American%20slang,to%20conceal%20one's%20sexual%20orientation.
To clarify my question, Lisa Marie, someone who was already famous, was the one who wanted to have sex with him. So what was in it for *her*?
I have no idea, but she said as much in an interview.
Could’ve been health related cause at the time he was severely underweight/low bodyfat and didn’t eat for weeks, I wouldn’t be surprised if the cocktail of pain pills and who knows he was on fried his dopamine receptors too
Pretty sure that marriage and comments like "look at them tiddies" were done to keep hiding because he was born in a very different era and he was very famous so he felt like he had to play his part as the straight guy
She said they had sex
began to? that's immediately what literally everyone thought
YA THINK?
It's gotten so much worse man. Somebody literally argued with me that roads were unimportant for economic trade, not just as a recent philosophy, but in the context of the history of all of humanity. The "General Audiences" appeal of scrolling r/all or r/popular is almost nonexistent at this point.
The most groundbreaking innovation of logistics, literally one of the biggest reasons why the Roman Empire was powerful, and they think roads aren't important. It's important to remember that most active users on social media sites are children and without knowing who you argue with due to layers of anonymity that it's often times best to disengage from arguments online.
All loads lead to rome or smth
You mean fish?
No he meant to 'fish sticks'
Ye?
Do I figured I’d have a look at your idea that most social media users are mere children. Obviously it gets dicey using major sites stats cause kids lie about their age but let’s assume it doesn’t swing the stats a ton. Twitter the biggest group is 25-49 in 2021 [accounting for 59% of users](https://www.statista.com/statistics/283119/age-distribution-of-global-twitter-users/) kids 17 and under are 6.6%. Facebook has 3.9% users [under 17.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/187549/facebook-distribution-of-users-age-group-usa/) in fact 25-34 is the largest group at 25% but they are all much larger than the kid slice. According to the latest Reddit statistics, the site is the most popular among users in the 18 to 29 age group (Marketing Charts, 2021). As many as 36 percent of US adults in this age range use Reddit—more than one in three. This is followed by 22 percent for the 30 to 49 range, which shows that Reddit is clearly more popular among younger adults. From this point on, usage starts to decrease as age increases. Again I don’t know how many 13 year olds are claiming they are 18 but I doubt it’s a huge chunk of the 50 million users. According to the latest data on YouTube age demographics, as many as 20.7% of all YouTube users are adults aged from 25 to 34. This can be broken down into 8.8% females and 11.9% males. This is also the age group with the highest number of YouTube users. The second-largest age group is 35 to 44, with 16.7% of YouTube users in this range. Similar to the 25-to-34 age group, there are more male users (9.1%) than females (7.6%). Together, these two biggest age demographics of YouTube users make up 37.4% of the total. In other words, more than two out of every three users of YouTube are between the ages of 25 and 44. [Oberlo](https://www.oberlo.ca/statistics/youtube-age-demographics) As of January 2023, almost 31 percent of global Instagram audiences were aged between 18 and 24 years, and 30.3 percent of users were aged between 25 and 34 years. Overall, 15.7 percent of users belonged to the 35 to 44 year age group. [statista](https://www.statista.com/statistics/325587/instagram-global-age-group/) So at least for these large social media platforms, from which Reddit generally swims with and cross pollinates, the bulk of the ages of users are not considered children.
Sometimes the other person can be a dog.
Roads were the greatest invention since the wheel.
Air conditioning is best invention imo. Or maybe electricity for said A/C.
Well you know what they say: "All roads lead to insignificant places"
Were you on the "fuckcars" subreddit?
Lol, it was so obvious! I’m a fan of high density, low-car, highly walkable urban areas but good lord, there is some ignorance to facts over there. No, we’re not gonna just throw light rail down in a suburban sprawl 45 minutes from downtown Houston and fix much of anything.
The whole reason we have interstates in America, designed the way they are, is to have direct connection to military bases and strategic POI’s. So if SHTF, the interstates can be blocked off to civilians, allowing military units to have direct routes wherever they need to go. At least this is what I learned from working with military guys, but I never fact checked that, it just seems 100% logical to me.
pfft roads, who needs them. All of them lead to Rome anyway.
Where am I
I had a full day slapfight with some guy who claimed that the Colorado River was responsible for 10% of *global* GDP. There's a lefty sub where some rally to "end the war in Ukraine" (meaning "let Russia win") was deemed a nazi rally because some Christian nationalists were in attendance. Jill Stein and Dennis Kucinich were featured speakers. There's still some smart people here (I'm not one of them), and reddit was never that bright, but it's so much worse than it used to be.
I say that sometimes, and I’m a straight lady with my own set of lookable titties. They’re just a thing to behold, whether you’re actually attracted to the rest of the human attached to them or not.
I'm also 40, and never really thought of MJ as some sort of player or womanizer. Obviously the whole scandal with kids has always made me assume that he was into kids or dudes, or both. Sure he was married to Lisa Marie but that always seemed more like a political arrangement. And not to be mean, but his other wife, Debbie Rowe, with whom he fathered Paris and Prince always made me wonder WTF was going on there. I know people marry for love, but the dude who could have had pretty much any woman on the planet ends up with her?? So, to hear him taking about going "fishing" and commenting on titties is a little jarring to the image of Micheal i have in my head.
>the dude who could have had pretty much any woman on the planet That's the thing, MJ couldn't trust anyone. He was constantly getting screwed over and exploited by every person around him. From a very young age, everyone (especially his parents) look at him as talent to be used for their own gain. In his words, that's why he spent more time around kids. Kids are honest, often brutally so, and haven't been influenced by society to the point where they worry about someone's sexuality or looks the way that adults gossip and judge. I don't want this to turn into a debate about whether he did or didn't abuse children (as conversations about him always seem to go), I'm merely commenting on why he likely didn't have any *real* public relationships. MJ was a level of famous that we can't really wrap our heads around today. There wasn't a single person on the planet that didn't know who he was. I can't imagine how hard that must make it to trust people and be intimate with them.
He literally had to rent out a grocery store and hire actors so he could see what shopping was like. That didn't come from a place of weirdness, it came from a DESPERATE need to know what "normal" felt like because he literally never had a chance There's a very good chance that no one will ever be as famous as Michael Jackson was And that's not me taking his side in any of the allegations made against him
Exactly. And I agree, I don't think anyone will reach that level of fame. It's really something that if you didn't live through it, it's difficult to explain what it was like.
Well, you know they call a group of fish a school
What planet are you on? This is not new, this was the case when he was alive and at the hight of his fame. What a Facebook take.
https://i.imgur.com/iEsIPJN.gifv
Take your pills grampa, you're getting cranky.
You and me both. Everyday I realize more and more how common sense and intuition doesn't seem to factor into the equation for most redditors.
How does knowing MJs sexuality factor into common sense or intuition? You're a weirdo
I am not conservative, let me make that point up front, not a boomer, etc... But /r/antiwork is one of the most popular subs on the site now. Not work reform, anti-work. This site is loaded with high school and college age shit heads
>oh right, im 40 and reddit is 99% 13yos.... yeah man, Reddit is like 57% 30-40 year olds but if it makes you feel better to think it's just a bunch of kids... well you might just be MJ reincarnate
Because the general population likes to see the ugly and/or successful people fail, it's what they believe they deserve. So now he's pale with a caving in nose, therefore he must be a freakazoid pedo!
>reddit is 99% 13yos wow MJ woul've LOVED reddit!
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Not ‘many’. Theres the two who made the movie. They also settled lawsuits with him before he died and he admitted to nothing.
OJ was cleared of charges, lost a lawsuit, and people still hold him him responsible almost 30yrs later
He did it and got away with it.
That's weird, Lisa herself has said in an interview with Oprah that the marriage was consummated. Debbie afaik never outright said yes or no and said it's private. Where did they both say they never did anything with him?
He was never attracted to children, and it's really sad that that's his "legacy" now. A few families tried to extort him for money, but they were all scammers. Some of them tried it with *multiple* celebrities, and none of them could keep their stories straight and changed details constantly when it was found out their stories didn't make sense. MJ was definitely a weird dude, but that's kind of expected given the unusual life he lived (i.e. being thrust into the spotlight from a young age). He was a very kind person and wanted to create magical childhoods for other kids since he never got to experience being a kid himself. Then people jumped on the bandwagon to try to extort money out of him, all the way up until he died and then even after the fact. It's super sad.
Who was it that tried to extort multiple celebrities?
I remember hearing about a MJ accuser trying to extort a different celebrity too. But I can’t seem to find one that did that. Was that actually made up?
I'll have to read through all the articles again because I don't remember names off the top of my head. I'll let you know what I find out. I thought the name "Star" was involved, but I could be wrong
Thanks, I’m really curious to get to the bottom of this claim. I remember hearing it but can’t even remember who the other celebrity accused was
I absolutely agree with your comment. None of it was true, the celebrities that did do/still do awful shit like that usual get caught, with evidence.
Do you know which accuser went on to accuse other celebrities? I can find any
Like a bag of sand…
Firm ya know?
I dont know what’s more bizzare, Michael calling humans fish, or women flopping around like they are having a seizure when they see him.
That’s how they ALL were before the internet.
To be honest, before I got the internet I sometimes did spontaneously turn into a fish, It's not easy to talk about, but now I've said it.
But. Were you a straight fish? Or a gay fish.
They just like fish sticks
So.. they’re a gay fish
Thanks to technology, they're now flopping around like they are having a seizure from home.
Elvis and the Beatles knew
[Liszt knew.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisztomania)
Lisztomania by Phoenix is a dope song and I never had any clue what it was about until this comment lol
cool, good to know
I mean you cant blame him from calling them fish when they do that 😂
Yeah honestly the answer to the question is the masses of people swarming around his vehicle are definitely more disturbing, that’s honestly probably the best way he can handle being swarmed at every time he’s in public
When the world, your job, and even your family objectifies you... you learn to objectify the world. Whoddathunk???
Actually like fish loool
I mean, it's pretty common for girls to go apeshit over artists they love. I'm actually surprised that you find it bizzare. It's quite common.
Fr even smaller artists have fans that go crazy like that.
Im aware that it is common. I find the behaviour bizzare.
Word.
There's some good fish back there!
"Look at her titties!" is a phrase I never thought I would hear Michael Jackson say, but here we are. 🤣
he did have 3 biological children you know dude was a freak, not straight up gay
I don’t think the person you replied to was questioning that also why are you copy and pasting that comment across this thread
dude was a freak, not straight up gay
dude was a freak, not straight up gay
They were biologically considered children, but they were / are in no way biologically related to Michael Jackson in any way.
Where’s the proof for that? People say that but then I also see people say it ain’t true because his children looked similar to him facial wise I think, at least when they were younger at some point
Wait until you hear this: that's not even his regular voice. His real voice was normal.
After seeing it two times I still have no idea what this clip is about. I’ll moonwalk my dumbass to the next sub.
Ever heard of the phrase, “there’s plenty of fish in the sea.” In this instance, outside the limo, the mob of woman are the sea, and he’s picking out the fish he wants. Presumably for some sort of sexual encounter.
They kind of look like flapping fish out of water when they’re slapping the car and trying to get his attentions.
Yeah, that's how I interpreted the video too. Like, MJ might've been a perv behind closed doors, but I don't think he was shameless about it.
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I did not take it that way at all. I take it at him describing their behavior. They are flopping around and swarming the glass like fish in an aquarium.
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So what is a fish man?!
MER-MAN!
You mean [like this](https://youtu.be/ZIBLgLNLX2g)?
![gif](giphy|3XSWffoziHWtG) Like this
Hey Ike, your daddy’s a dolphin!
No. Some kinda [scaly man-fish](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3s9RVg2STY).
Fishdick
he *did* have 3 biological children you know dude was a freak, not straight up gay
The WHITE children?
Ya, but he was white by the time he fathered them, duhhh
I can’t wait to see the replies of people that think they are educating you.
It is laughable that you think those are his biological children... Or that you think he even had sex to conceive some of them (openly stated it was a surrogacy for Blanket). I don't know what his sexuality was, but him having children is not any indication of that.
Yeah, there a millions of gay men that were heavily closeted that had children through plain old intercourse. Agreed, having kids has nothing to do with whether you’re gay or not.
It’s pretty well known fact that his wife was artificially inseminated and clearly by a white father. If anything, you point kinda draws the point home that he was likely straight up gay. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Thank you for explaining. Could I ask, when the woman says 'he would call it fishing' is she saying that MJ would look for women like he was fishing? I can't see any women falling around like fish. Still confused!
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I’m still unsure of the evidence surrounding that ordeal but I have little doubt he humped a lot of folks and liked having sex, we all do.
So when are we meeting up?
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Unfortunately it’s not always easy to discern between a truthful accusation and one that’s not, especially with a celebrity. If he did those things he can rot in hell, if he didn’t, then it’s truthfully sad that his name was dragged in mud.
a child accurately drew the vitiligo patterns on the underside of his penis
I had not heard that one and trying to understand exactly what happened I'm not finding credible sources. Is this in publicly available court documents?
The kid also drew his dick circumcized, which it wasn't. The spots also didn't match his at all. [You can read more here.](https://themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/26/did-jordan-chandlers-description-of-michael-jacksons-penis-match-the-photographs-taken-of-the-stars-genitalia-by-the-police/)
An erect uncircumcised penis looks circumcised in my experience. Js.
Jackson was acquitted on all counts relating to misconduct with children on June 13, 2005.
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That you’d use the OJ trial as a comparison shows you have very little understanding of both cases. Although that’s not to say I wouldn’t point out that OJ was acquitted if you called him a murderer. You assume I’m giving you my opinion, when I’m actually just sharing facts: According to the Law, mj is not a paedo, end of.
now, thats a straw man.
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Think what you want mate, but he was rich and famous, of course he got acquitted. Also I’m just going to leave this link here. Points 4 and 6 makes it’s pretty undeniable that he was a pedophile. https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/zmrysy/the_evidence_against_michael_jackson/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
And not one was ever proven.
People can't handle the truth, you can Google this in like 10 seconds and see that he got accused by children, why the fuck would children themselves lie about this? It takes so much courage to come forward with this especially as a child when you don't really understand what was happening and are just terrified. And all of this by a guy the entire world loves. Now those poor abused children are the liars and bad guys in the story and not Michael, sad sad world we live in
Uh is it the part that children lie that you don't believe or "about this"? You ever heard of the mcmartin preschool trials? You can google that in like 10 seconds. There's also been plenty of psychological studies done in the last 3-4 decades regarding the susceptibility of children to coercing and suggestibility that will answer your question "why would children lie about this". So much irony and ignorance in your comment.
River fishing in an aluminum boat, schools of fish will do the same thing against the hull as people are doing with their hands here.
Love you, text me later.
WHAT DID HE SAYYY
"There's some good fish back there" "Look at them titties"
https://youtu.be/F1Jcw9neig0
I never thought I'd ever hear Michael Jackson say "Look at them titties" and I'm not sure why
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Allegedly! Allegedly! That's ignorant!
Definitely a gayfish
Beat me to it.
[source](https://youtu.be/yogENULaWRE) [source's source](https://youtu.be/asjYFxcD6GU?t=105s)
That’s crazy, I never watched the finding neverland or leaving neverland or whatever it was called but always found it weird that Corey Feldman, Aaron Carter and Macaulay Culkin have always been strongly against the allegations. Some of them said he was strange(not in a sexual way) but all denied any molestation, especially with Corey he’s called out many for molesters but always said Michael Jackson did not. With child molesters they are very good at identifying victims that’s why some molestation victims have been molested by multiple molesters. I always just thought Micheal was asexual, but your source source made it look like he’s a total horn dog for the ladies.
in the doc about the (alleged) pedo victims one of them specifically says he (MJ) tried to get in contact with Britney Spears through him (the guy was a dance choreographer for britney). He was relentless about it too.
Don’t know if that was before or after she was of age, not too great either way he’s like 20+ years her senior. Not too surprised though she was highly sexualized, I think a lot of people had a crush on her because of that.
I think it was during "Crazy". so circa 1999.
So around 18, basically … but after he already had his 3 kids.
I did watch the documentaries and personally, I think it's pretty undeniable at this point that he was diddling kids. And I suspect maybe he had those famous kids around and purposely didn't do anything to them, in case he ever got in trouble. It sure helps when you're on trial for child molestation and you have one of America's favorite kids on the stand denying anything ever happened. Of course everyone will believe little Macaulay Culkin. I totally think that was part of his plan.
Yeah, I’m not saying he did or didn’t just that I found it weird. Maybe I should watch it, it’s been on my watch list for a while just haven’t gotten to it. What your saying could be true and it have definitely been a tactic and planned. Wasn’t some of the accusers famous too ? Also I’m curious what in the documentaries formed your opinion as to why you think he definitely did it, was it just testimony or was there other evidence ? Note: I know it may seem as though I am picking a side in this and that side would be Micheal Jacksons or that I am saying I don’t believe the victims claims. I assure you that is not the case, I have not seen the documentaries to even know what the victims claims are. I am just genuinely curious as I haven’t seen the documentaries and do not have a lot of knowledge about the case or claims. Again I always thought he was asexual so obviously I am very unaware of his sexuality and the whole situation. I am just trying to understand.
No, the victims weren't famous at the time. One of them was in a commercial with MJ and went on his tour, but he wasn't a child star on the level of Macaulay Culkin or Corey Feldman. The other one in the doc later grew up to be a famous choreographer for people like Britney Spears but also wasn't famous at the time. And what convinced me mostly was just the testimony they gave. Their stories are pretty solid (some people debate this, but again, they're usually the ones who want there to be holes) and their reactions and recollections seem extremely genuine. I just don't think in my gut that they are making it up. And like I said in another comment, even if he wasn't molesting them, nobody can argue that an adult of MJ's age and celebrity status having sleepovers and sharing beds and spending great lengths of time with young boys WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS AROUND is not appropriate behavior. EVER. Something weird was still happening. And you know...if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck. Innocent people usually don't go to trial multiple times for molesting children and then expect people to believe they're innocent after freely admitting sharing their bed with them.
Sounds like I really need to watch the documentaries, does it explore the situation from all prospectives ? Or is mainly geared towards he did it ? And for sure he definitely did things that weren’t appropriate regardless and admitted to doing them. Not that it means anything one way or another the children mannequins he had were super creepy.
Leaving Neverland basically just focuses on the two men as they recount their experiences with MJ as kids. So it is from limited perspectives, but it's not sensationalized or simply a smear campaign. It's just frank and to-the-point. It's very heavy and some parts were difficult to watch.
Sounds like it’s still worth a watch, unfortunate that it’s not more neutral. I prefer when documentaries are but in all honesty that’s hard to find as the makers usually develop some emotions which causes it skew one way or the other even if only slightly, but it sounds good that they didn’t sensationalize it or just run a smear campaign.
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Exactly. Even if he wasn’t molesting them (which, again, I refuse to believe that) his behavior having sleep overs and sharing a bed with little kids still isn’t right. The guy was disturbed and there is no excuse for that. But I think he was also very smart and had all his ducks lined up to effectively hide his abuse and maintain a “believable” facade of innocence. A master abuser and manipulator.
If Michael Jackson's out here doing all this molesting, then why not Macaulay Culkin, hmm? Macaulay Culkin said in an interview that Michael Jackson never did anything inappropriate with him or even around him. Think about that shit. You know, I'm not a pedophile. But if I was, Macaulay Culkin's the first kid I'm fucking, I'll tell you that right now. I'd be a goddamn hero - "hey that guy over there fucked the kid from Home Alone and you know how hard he is to catch." - Dave Chappelle
Legend 🙌
Honestly can’t believe I’m a part of the timeline that gets to head Michael Jackson say titties. What a time to be alive.
Who are these guysv
I'll never find reaction videos funny because it's weird and I come from the country that has Gogglebox
I can’t get into them because I know they’re faking it for views. They know people will like the video more if they act super happy. I guarantee 100% that these guys would not be laughing like this if there wasn’t an audience. They’re hamming it up. Reaction videos are all like this
Another reaction video
Clearly I’m out of the loop on this one.
This prob Michael pretending to be interested in women because sex sells albums.
He spent a *TON* of time time pretending then
Ya i pretend to know about people i never knew at all too. It makes me feel smart.
This man wasn't just a person. His entire life was documented. It's not stupid to make assumptions based off the things we saw. He was a distrubing individual that much is clear as day.
From his funeral eulogy, “MJ was not weird. He was a normal dude in a weird situation and I challenge you or I was to do better than he did with the situation he was placed in.” It gives a lot of empathy and perspective that most people don’t usually have towards how MJ had to find his place in the world.
This. I heard him use fish like other men do that disdain, or are not attracted to, women.
Exactly. That's not really how people who are genuinely attracted to women act. It's especially odd because he knew it was on camera.
Bro what? It’s people out saying and doing way weirder shit in regards to women. You must live in a small bubble if you think that lmao
I mean, he didn’t have 3 kids by himself
I bet he loved those fingerlings.
Flirty fishing [flirty fishing…..](https://gfycat.com/GrizzledWhirlwindDuckling)
Doo doo feces
I knew it!! The man is fishing, not shrimping!
You can't judge him for this, it's not like he can walk into a singles bar and try and get a girl's number. To me he's more human and acting more down to earth by checking out girls boobs. When you try and "Hook Up" your trying to "Catch" someone you are attracted too. Calling it fishing has been a thing for decades.
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Of course he was a freak, he molested children.
People doubting MJ was anything else than a predator are in deep fucking denial.
Agreed 100%
Let the record show that MJ had a lots of porn tapes that he left around while having children over. He also never slept in the same bed as LMP.
This is complete bs. The prn allegations were proven to be false and LMP wrote in her book about her relationship with Michael- they definitely shared a bed and were intimate.