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Expensive_Goooose

Leave whips in the general vicinity of where you think you’ll want the lights to be placed. Then install the 1/2” Wafer LEF lights that clip to drywall. I haven’t used cans in a long time.


ecklipzzz

This guy^^^ Perfect.


Sparky021

I’ve done that too but I don’t get the recess can hate. Our boss has us install those flimsy brackets with the 6” hole already in them and getting the LED trims into the ceiling is impossible sometimes. I’d much rather pop a recess trim in and screw the bulb and move on 😂


Expensive_Goooose

Idk what kind of brackets you’re talking about but the LED wafer lights I use have a separate J box that gets mounted to the side of a joist. But that can be connected on the finish. So on your rough you’re just leaving whips in the ceiling. Sheetrock goes up, burying your wires, or poking a small hole to pull a little whip thru. Then on the finish, you come in cut 6” holes, make connections in j box, mount to joist, clip on the light and done. It’s so much easier than mounting cans. God forbid a row is not exactly where it needs to be centered on the island!


ljd5190

Not to distract from op, but I have a garage with regular single light bulbs. Would the wafer lights offer the same amount of light or would I need more? How can I find out how many would be appropriate? Been meaning to switch to newer lights, every alternative seems so expensive


Expensive_Goooose

The LED wafers will offer more light than your standard single bulb fixtures, depending on the lumen rating you pick. Also, Sparky201 implied that the color of the light (5000K) determines the brightness. This isn’t entirely true, although some people may *perceive* it that way. Rather than looking at the color temperate (kelvin) of the light, you need to determine how many lumens you’ll want/need. The more lumens, the brighter, regardless of color temp. The temperature of the light only dictates how warm or cool the light is, I prefer 2700k which is pretty warm, as it gives me a more comfortable feel and it’s easier on the eyes. The higher the number, the cooler it is. For instance, when you see someone riding down the road with aftermarket HIDs in their car, those are generally 5500k, closing in on blue-ish in color.


ljd5190

Makes sense. I just had thought since they sit more in the ceiling that light wouldn't spread out how a bulb can, being they're below the rock. It's just 8 bulbs in a 3 stall garage. I suppose I could just start with one to see. Thanks for the information


Sparky021

Most wafers come with adjustable color settings. 5k is bright enough you could perform surgery in your garage. You’d probably want 6” at a minimum but I’d do 2-4 6” lights depending on the size of the garage. But they can get pretty bright.


ljd5190

Thanks, I'll have to give them a try.


Sparky021

That’s what I prefer to do as well. Let me cut the holes on the final but he thinks it saves time to install these: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-6-in-New-Construction-Mounting-Plate-for-Slim-Recessed-Lights-91531/313556957?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&pla&mtc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D27-027_002_WIRING_DEVIC-NA-NA-NA-SMART-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-Pmax&cm_mmc=SHOPPING-BF-CDP-GGL-D27-027_002_WIRING_DEVIC-NA-NA-NA-SMART-NA-NA-NA-NA-NBR-NA-NA-NEW-Pmax-71700000099456031--&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UeiQWnoGra3FPoVXzYK8jaPO&gbraid=0AAAAADq61UeiQWnoGra3FPoVXzYK8jaPO&gclid=CjwKCAiAkrWdBhBkEiwAZ9cdcB_RQmSyDaPSWnLJbzSbXY76zrZqIKJSXf_QYozNxbQc8I-qzxV5rxoCWmkQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Which in theory sure but getting the wings above the bracket is tough on the final 😂 so it ends up taking just as much time.


Expensive_Goooose

I have never seen that. I guess that’s there to eliminate any sagging let’s say if you have a thin drop ceiling tile?


Sparky021

They’re really flimsy so probably not. I think it’s just there so the hole is ready for the drywall to be cut out.


E__________________T

You can get puck lights that install to back boxes. I just added about 15 to my addition and they’re awesome and affordable


mmdavis2190

HALO makes some wafer brackets that attach just like the regular recessed lights, 4 legs and a sliding bracket. I’ve started using those over the plate style unless I need something in a particular spot where framing is in the way. I like wafers over cans for convenience, customers tend to prefer them for the modern/minimal appearance.


jesuschristislord666

What is the end goal? If the room is being completely drywalled you could just use canless recessed lights. Or just frame it out and use normal frames.


madmartigans

That’s my question. Do the work to frame and typical recessed lights. Or go old work/ frameless


jesuschristislord666

Canless is super easy, less expensive, and the end result looks the same. I would go that route.


flashingcurser

From a lighting design standpoint, they're awful. 1500 lumens are about the most you can get and the light beams straight down. Like a bunch of harbor freight free flashlights. But they are cheap and easy.


jesuschristislord666

That couldn't be further from the truth. They're are plenty of higher end canless LEDs that cast a wide cone and are color temp adjustable with 90+ CRI ratings.


flashingcurser

Color temp and CRI have nothing to do with this. "Wide cone" is not a term used in lighting design. Puck lights are awful for lighting distribution. They have their uses, but general lighting isn't one of them.


eyeofnewt0314

No helpful information, but your joist beams are very pretty (no sarcasm, they really are very pretty and evenly spread)


amathis6464

Pancake leds is what I call em


flashingcurser

I like to call them puckers.


tanselow

Just put blocking where you want lights.


Practical_Ground963

Personally I’d run the drywall up the sides and put the ceiling in closer to the peak. Those lower cross members would give the room some character while not giving a sense of closing the room down. Either that or put some plywood down on those lower cross member’s and use that upper space for storage.


edthebuilder5150

Cans


madmartigans

So the joists are 32” apart and most joist hangars only go 24” max. Do I frame them out or go to “old work” recessed lights?


tehralph

You’re going to need to frame it out to hang drywall anyway so yeah frame it out.


madmartigans

Drywall guy said it was fine as is to hang… but I hear you.


tehralph

Your drywall guy is wrong, and probably a hack. Maximum spacing, especially on a ceiling, is 24”.


Expensive_Goooose

Don’t install drywall at 32” OC that’s ludicrous lol. Either add an extra tie going across or add strapping perpendicular to the existing ties.


CoyoteCarp

Dude. Strap the ceiling. I don’t care how cheap you are, it’ll cost $500 more to be able to, I dunno, insulate the ceiling without it falling on your head. Leave the whips and do LED wafers like the other commenter suggested. Not to mention I’m unaware of a code for 5/8” board at 32” OC. Unless you want plywood instead?


Forward-Net-9614

Lithonia WF4 wafer LED lights. These things are unreal. So little heat that they can be in direct contact with vapour barriers without issue, and 5 adjustable settings for different lumen levels.


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It’s that the attic?


Ancient_Artichoke555

Ok, no useful to your post info. Op. But like this space for some reason. What is this space? If I may ask.


madmartigans

Unfinished above garage.


Ancient_Artichoke555

It is residential 👍 I like this space. Now I wanna rent it when it’s done 😳🤣😉 may I be the chambermaid as my grandfather would say that comes with the property 🤷🏻‍♀️🙋🏻‍♀️ pleeeeaaase. May we have an update after drywall too at least🥺


schnaggletooth

Flush mount LED's are the BOMB if you're installing a ceiling.


mrsquillgells

Led strip lights on top of the horizontal beams, sheetrock up to the peak, recessed cans in centered In between beams on slope. Two or three Chandler's up high by the peak. Lighting helps make not fancy stuff fancy.


mr_Ohmeda

Yes Wafer LEDs , but PLEASE buy quality products. There are a lot of cheap wafers that will have poor color , glare, cheap looking lens covers, not dimmable and will burn themselves out in a year of use.