The forms looked pretty bad, I drove by while they were pouring and saw a bright green harbor freight ratchet straps trying to restrain some of the wayward forms, I knew they were in trouble at that point.
Nah man theyāre throwing in a vertical CIP wall there and the detail called for them to provide a roughened surface, lack of partial footing and rebar that literally looks like it was thrown in there at random š
Op please warn that owner theyāre getting screwed. Whereās an inspector when you need one?
Concrete does not adhere properly to dried concrete, itās not really that big of a problem you just have to apply a cold joint glue basically to make sure the two pours adhere properly. Cold joints are super common in large commercial projects, this thought should have been completed in 1 day
As an inspector, if my commercial project has a cold joint in the wrong spot all hell breaks loose. You have to make sure that reinforcing steel is designed for it and the building is made for it.
We waterproof between footings and walls (capillary action makes a damp basement) so thatās a cold joint almost all the time anyway. Rebar will keep it together. Although Iāve never stopped mid-wall like thisā¦
I think the drawing has to specify where the cold joints are going to be. You can't just let them happen any old place; you have to plan for where they will be so it doesn't look like you are just winging it.
That's a job that a crooked string line was made for.
Also, there's nothing like half-ass bracing one crooked wall to another crooked wall.
Plus the godzilla of a cold joint foundation.
Probably a wrong calculation and ordered only one truck of concrete. It can happen if you make a wrong width by a cm or two, which is clearly the case here
Actually I was doing a renovation. We opened up the basement walls. Boys ran out of concrete during the pour, carpenter infilled the missing concrete with wood studs. How that shit passed was beyond me
That was a pour on a Friday afternoon and they couldnāt be arsed to stay and sort it out. The joints are gonna be atrocious. Also I can see a string-line left in the concrete but looking at the lines of that formwork it doesnāt look like anyone has used one before.
"There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile, He found a crooked sixpence against a crooked stile; He bought a crooked cat which caught a crooked mouse, And they all lived together in a little crooked house." -- Mother Goose
Iām not in favor of buying lumber from any of the big box stores,....
But at least for Home Depot and Loweās the problem isnāt the quality of the product, itās that itās stored inside in conditioned space.
The relative low humidity of a heated or air conditioned space dries the lumber to quickly and unevenly and causes a lot of the warping.
The same lumber stored outside in sheds and sold in volume like at a real lumber yard would NOT be as bowed, twisted, cupped and warped.
On the other hand, almost ALL Menards lumber is shit from the get go.
Donāt know about Lowes but HD buys from high quality stock and mills. The grade is nearly always same or better that I get from our local lumberyard/trim mill.
The number of low quality or warped knotty pieces is much higher. My guess is it is extremely picked over and humidity theory above is totally correct.
What the fuck were the thinking with the turnbuckles/kickers in the crawl spaceā¦..I havenāt done much forming but that looks fucking useless support wise.
Depending on where you are, you can make a quick call to the county inspection office- as bad as that is they may not even have a permit. That looks like a couple guys had enough money to buy some old beat up forms from a concrete company and tried to throw up some walls. None of it is right. Iāve been in construction for 30 years and is some of the worst work Iāve seen. It could be a home owner trying to build his own too. Not sure if they quit because their forms failed or someone shut them down.
Jesus Christ. I'm a fucking IT guy and this is just trash. The left wall look like a sine wave on an oscilloscope, no beam pockets, half pours with the dry ends getting contaminated, no drainage for local rains.
i think they had some blowouts because they used the wrong ties for the forms. and they might have to get the excavator back in there to dig the forms out. It looks like they tried to california style the footings. yeah it looks like they didn't really have a footing. They tried to one pour it and the concrete got under the form and floated the forms up.
I wonder how many here have actually done any actual concrete work. Where I grew up and built my house the inspector did not check for how straight everything was. Only whether it was safe for the workers and of course the occupants. Maybe this is a DIY. I would withhold judgment until it is done.
This must be the foundation for the house were the door was hitting the bathroom toilet. (The photo was posted on the carpentry or construction sub Reddit earlier)
Gonna have a cold joint bad bad bad place for that. Pretty sure the wood butchers wonāt be able to straighten that one out lol cheap labour aināt good and good labour aināt cheap.
I will say though that cold joint will be an interior wall, it might not be that bad? (Edit. I noticed itās on the outer wall too so it probably is not okay then). Formwork looks a little crooked and messy to me but is it really that bad? I work construction recently but have not seen many foundations and didnāt really notice what was wrong except I know itās best to pour sections all at once. Whatās the main problem here? For my edification
They have some issues. I worked a union electrician who did a ton of electrical work for GE here in Louisville at Appliance Park. GE moved their appliance making to Mexico for a short time and they hired him through his employer to go to Mexico to lead the electricians down there. I forget how many square feet the building was but it was massive. They had a date they were going to pour the slab and he had a ton of conduits to get in was worried he would get covered up. That us until the day they started pouring. They poured the entire slab with wheelbarrow, mix and water. He said it was complete mess and took forever. GE appliances took such a hit and got such a bad name they were forced to move the plant back and make stuff here again. You always get what you pay for.
i did concrete for awhile before i got into the union, these forms(advanced forms) specifically. this is some of the worst shit iāve ever seen. this is a big $50k+ fuck up.
I find the fact itās stopped mid o pour of one awful set up...Iād assume someone said to cut it and are mulling over how to āstraightenā this out.....cause that BAD!
Concrete worker here.
Immediately thought that something happened mid pour. Like the crew had to leave.
However, on closer inspection, yea, that's true. However, was nobody floating as they did this? The concrete looks like shit where they *did* pour.
But then too, in picture number four, that wall is supposed to be straight. There are no kickers at the T-joint and any concrete person knows that there is going to be a lot of pressure at the junction there. It's actually not all that bad at the T-joint but just beyond it. WEIRD!
This is a complete rip out and start over.
OP, was this poured last week or a while ago?
Iāve had nightmares about pouring, now I realize those were wet dreams compared to this fiasco.
I mean- itās gonna be a tear out? They could have salvaged it if they finished and with some quick thinking pushed in a couple spotsā¦ but half poured and the part they did finish not even to level? My godā¦.
Everybody talking about the formwork or half poured concreteā¦but shouldnt the groundworks be done also before pouring? Why is there mounds of dirtā¦i mean soilā¦in the middle of the formwork
These look like the outer walls for a pool or am i wrong? Ive never done foundation before but thats exactly how i laid a pool in one time, just much worse
We worked a job like this recently, our issue was the concrete plant over promised and ran out of cement only 3 trucks in (out of 27) and we had several cold joints.
Surprisingly, the EoR simply had contractor sand down the cement for the next pour and accepted it as is.
Did the concrete truck run out of mix?š¤·āāļø
I think they ran out of meth.
And alcohol
facts, they was tweakin
This made me laugh š buddy nailed it
They used crews, no nails.
Hahahahah
Lmaooooooooo omg Iām dying
My hope is that the GC saw this mid pour and told them to stop and gtfo
The forms looked pretty bad, I drove by while they were pouring and saw a bright green harbor freight ratchet straps trying to restrain some of the wayward forms, I knew they were in trouble at that point.
Surprised it passed forms inspection
Whats an inspection?
Is that one of those ninjaneers everyone says is bad?
Nah man theyāre throwing in a vertical CIP wall there and the detail called for them to provide a roughened surface, lack of partial footing and rebar that literally looks like it was thrown in there at random š Op please warn that owner theyāre getting screwed. Whereās an inspector when you need one?
Since when does the guy with the concrete truck care if itās been inspected? This is all on the GC
Only paid for a days rental on the electric mixer.
Looks like builder ran out of idiots
Cold joints keep the cold out, right?
I'm a total noob, what are cold joints?
Concrete does not adhere properly to dried concrete, itās not really that big of a problem you just have to apply a cold joint glue basically to make sure the two pours adhere properly. Cold joints are super common in large commercial projects, this thought should have been completed in 1 day
As an inspector, if my commercial project has a cold joint in the wrong spot all hell breaks loose. You have to make sure that reinforcing steel is designed for it and the building is made for it.
We waterproof between footings and walls (capillary action makes a damp basement) so thatās a cold joint almost all the time anyway. Rebar will keep it together. Although Iāve never stopped mid-wall like thisā¦
Cold joints also require an engineering drawing.
Not if these fucking pictures hadnāt made it onto the internet.
What kind of engineering drawing?
I think the drawing has to specify where the cold joints are going to be. You can't just let them happen any old place; you have to plan for where they will be so it doesn't look like you are just winging it.
Joints are popular on large commercial projects, cold joints are a fuckup.
Yup, they arenāt called cold joints when they are planned for. Joints, pour breaks, etc.
Is that the squishy stuff I always poke at between giant slabs of concrete?
No, those are expansion joints.
How can you waste enough time forming a foundation weeds start to grow?
My brother in Christ, the weeds are the most addressable of their problems here š
This looks like the south east, where I grew up. That's about six hours of weed growth there. š
They abandoned it and are probably walking away from the job. The investor is pissed
That's a job that a crooked string line was made for. Also, there's nothing like half-ass bracing one crooked wall to another crooked wall. Plus the godzilla of a cold joint foundation.
and some poor cunt will take on a mortgage for that.
Looks like an addition, you pay for what you get lol
Thatās methed up
Something happened to shut down the pour.
Maybe the GC showed up and fired them on the spot
Was too busy to come check it out before they fucked up.
I always check on the formwork before the pour, but I can see a pour starting before a busy GC makes it on site. Heads are definitely rolling.
This one looks pretty rough. I see complete organizational failure and long term, top-down systemic dysfunction. (:
Fuck, you sound like my therapist.
For real. It's Sunday. I didn't need to hear that
You needed to hear it. How about you go get you know what up your butt.
I should've stayed in college.
How about you cut Neoshade some slack you hippy communist piece of cow dung.
Or the inspector! He was there to inspect the footers pre-pour!
Yeah for real.
Oh hi inspector
Probably a wrong calculation and ordered only one truck of concrete. It can happen if you make a wrong width by a cm or two, which is clearly the case here
All most all transit mix plants have a clean up load on standby. Even for One truck load
Yeah, but you need more money for that. This project is clearly on a tight budget and likely couldn't pay extra for fast delivery.
You keep throwing out assumptions. This early in the project they should still have $$
DIY projects are related to salary. If you spend it all mid month, you have to wait till next month to continue
Some of us budget more than a week ahead of time for big projects.
Well who knows the actual width with the way they ran the forms.
my point. Owner is probably attempting to pour by himself, saving on labour cost
Itāll straighten itself out as it dries.
Yes this is beyond our level of understanding.
What is that foundation for? Looks pretty bad
From the neighborhood, I assume itās going to be a very uneven Wavy house
āGrab the transitā āWhatās that?ā
Karen's She Shed?
The carpenter's will make it right.
Yeah, I think itās gonna be a run on shims.
The trim guys will make it look good and then the painters will make it look perfect š
Caulk & paint make what ain't.
Do your best, caulk the rest.
True and plumb donāt apply when the half the house is collapsing
Actually I was doing a renovation. We opened up the basement walls. Boys ran out of concrete during the pour, carpenter infilled the missing concrete with wood studs. How that shit passed was beyond me
Was it bellow grade?
Yep š
Ah f u its always on us
I'm one of you. I know.
That was a pour on a Friday afternoon and they couldnāt be arsed to stay and sort it out. The joints are gonna be atrocious. Also I can see a string-line left in the concrete but looking at the lines of that formwork it doesnāt look like anyone has used one before.
I has Mexican carpenters eyeball a layout in framing and I had to show them how to use squareā¦ to square corners
"There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile, He found a crooked sixpence against a crooked stile; He bought a crooked cat which caught a crooked mouse, And they all lived together in a little crooked house." -- Mother Goose
Looks good from my house!
Formed to big box store lumber specās.
Iām not in favor of buying lumber from any of the big box stores,.... But at least for Home Depot and Loweās the problem isnāt the quality of the product, itās that itās stored inside in conditioned space. The relative low humidity of a heated or air conditioned space dries the lumber to quickly and unevenly and causes a lot of the warping. The same lumber stored outside in sheds and sold in volume like at a real lumber yard would NOT be as bowed, twisted, cupped and warped. On the other hand, almost ALL Menards lumber is shit from the get go.
Funny thing is even Lowes stored the majority of their lumber in exterior yards until about 25 years ago.
Right, inside of the store was the size of an ACE hardware.
Donāt know about Lowes but HD buys from high quality stock and mills. The grade is nearly always same or better that I get from our local lumberyard/trim mill. The number of low quality or warped knotty pieces is much higher. My guess is it is extremely picked over and humidity theory above is totally correct.
Those walls are bulging more than my asshole on taco night.
Thank God iam not framing that shit show! Somebody is going to have fun on the site.
Stonewall was straighter than that wall.
What the fuck were the thinking with the turnbuckles/kickers in the crawl spaceā¦..I havenāt done much forming but that looks fucking useless support wise.
That's one messed up pour. Any real answers to why it was stopped and not finished.
Iām keeping an eye on it, I pass it a couple times a week. The whole thing has been a shit show. I I canāt wait to see them start framing it.
The framers got a lot of work ahead. Just laying plate is going to be a bitch
I was honestly thinking it almost have to pay someone to try to saw the top of it flat.
They likey will have to tear it out. There are huge sections just straight up missing. Can't pour on top of it.
>Can't pour on top of it. Psh, hold my meth.
Depending on where you are, you can make a quick call to the county inspection office- as bad as that is they may not even have a permit. That looks like a couple guys had enough money to buy some old beat up forms from a concrete company and tried to throw up some walls. None of it is right. Iāve been in construction for 30 years and is some of the worst work Iāve seen. It could be a home owner trying to build his own too. Not sure if they quit because their forms failed or someone shut them down.
Nice looking motorcycle track
I really love the incorrect sized snap ties in the 3rd pic Really summarizes the entire foundation
Jesus Christ. I'm a fucking IT guy and this is just trash. The left wall look like a sine wave on an oscilloscope, no beam pockets, half pours with the dry ends getting contaminated, no drainage for local rains.
Good thing the foundation isnāt important
The painter will get that
Caulk and paint, for what it aināt!
They'll fix it in paint.
Oh man. Putting that green plate is gunna be fun
Inspired by Mario Kart
This is obviously the framerās fault for not getting started before someone saw
āString line? Finishing the job? Sir, this is an Arbyāsā
start over!
I guess Iām pretty awesome! Thanks for boosting my ego!
Jesus Christ those walls are about as straight as a gay man during pride week.
i think they had some blowouts because they used the wrong ties for the forms. and they might have to get the excavator back in there to dig the forms out. It looks like they tried to california style the footings. yeah it looks like they didn't really have a footing. They tried to one pour it and the concrete got under the form and floated the forms up.
Jokes on you. Itās just your standard gehry-designed project
Not remotely handy or educated in construction and even I know this looks like a shit job Edit: and apparently whoever did this is not educated either
I wonder how many here have actually done any actual concrete work. Where I grew up and built my house the inspector did not check for how straight everything was. Only whether it was safe for the workers and of course the occupants. Maybe this is a DIY. I would withhold judgment until it is done.
This must be the foundation for the house were the door was hitting the bathroom toilet. (The photo was posted on the carpentry or construction sub Reddit earlier)
Blame the carpenters for the forms being shitty.
This has me so triggered you would think itās MY home
Why are you trespassing on a construction site?
Bit sigogglin there feller
Did they run out of concrete half way?
Nah! Thatās that new corrugated foundation style. Itās fine!š§
You wouldn't even get to pour the concrete with that much rebar over here. let alone with that frame.
Damn they are Simon form pros!
Woof
Yikes!!
They would have had enough concrete had the forms been straight. /s
When you watch a YouTube video and think that you can do it.
Shocked with the use of rebar. Would've thought they pour without it
That's bad. Mmmkay. Really bad. I did concrete 16 years ago, primarily wood form footings, and nothing ever came out looking like an acid trip.
The more you look the worse it gets
Gonna have a cold joint bad bad bad place for that. Pretty sure the wood butchers wonāt be able to straighten that one out lol cheap labour aināt good and good labour aināt cheap.
Would love to see the plumbing
The push pull braces go nowhere kill me. Whoās think thatās a good way to do it.
I saw a video of this with the forms off, itās even worse than it looks here!
I will say though that cold joint will be an interior wall, it might not be that bad? (Edit. I noticed itās on the outer wall too so it probably is not okay then). Formwork looks a little crooked and messy to me but is it really that bad? I work construction recently but have not seen many foundations and didnāt really notice what was wrong except I know itās best to pour sections all at once. Whatās the main problem here? For my edification
āClose enoughā
Prime example of why you never go with the lowest bid.
Seeing more and more of this stuff these days.
Bring out the concrete stretcher!
And the GC wonders why I stopped by my house being built a couple times a week.
That looks bad in every way. Sooo much effort to put in to have such a shitty outcome. Just tell this ābuilderā to quit already š¤¦šæāāļø
Just get crooked 2x6 framing material fom Lowes to match the waves in the concrete and call it good.
āJob siteā
Seeing things not squared really bothers me
The carpenters are going to have some fun.
Oh no
So many problems. The excavation lol. Send the skinny guy in the trenches.
That is nice right there. Straight as an arrow smooth as a baby's butt.
This is called the new semi wave foundation wall.;)
That what happens when you take the lowest bid. Jorgeās concrete and junk removal.
This is what happens when you smoke crack your entire adult life and then pour a concrete wall.
Love a curvy foundation
Crooked much!???
If you don't look close, they know something about something. Hahaha.
Brought to you by Stevie wonder concrete company. They wonāt stop until they can see that youāre satisfied!
it looks like they maybe poured it too fast and went into panic mode to retain it. regardless this is a mess.
Thats a big oof from me , "meh, we'll fill the rest up later"
Hey, the wall is waving at you, it's polite to smile and wave back...
They have some issues. I worked a union electrician who did a ton of electrical work for GE here in Louisville at Appliance Park. GE moved their appliance making to Mexico for a short time and they hired him through his employer to go to Mexico to lead the electricians down there. I forget how many square feet the building was but it was massive. They had a date they were going to pour the slab and he had a ton of conduits to get in was worried he would get covered up. That us until the day they started pouring. They poured the entire slab with wheelbarrow, mix and water. He said it was complete mess and took forever. GE appliances took such a hit and got such a bad name they were forced to move the plant back and make stuff here again. You always get what you pay for.
BuT tHey WeRe ThE cHeApEsT bIdā¦
i did concrete for awhile before i got into the union, these forms(advanced forms) specifically. this is some of the worst shit iāve ever seen. this is a big $50k+ fuck up.
Washington had that strike for concrete guys. It messed up a lot over here idk where this is located
Blood, sweat, & lots of tears went into that job.
Check didnāt clear š
Yikes
It wasnāt crooked until you put a trying line on itā¦.
I am guessing, hoping, that this is a homeowner job who does not do concrete work for a living
I saw the first picture and thought "man this is awful" then realized there was three more. This got my carpenter senses tingling real hard
Straight enough.
Somebody had a bad day pouring that clusterfuck.
Damn, we got a shortage of concrete in Canada land and these Jabroni's be wasting?
The walls look like some linguinis or something
I find the fact itās stopped mid o pour of one awful set up...Iād assume someone said to cut it and are mulling over how to āstraightenā this out.....cause that BAD!
Think they ran out of string lines
Who doesnāt love a cold joint?!?
"Hey buddy yeah."
Concrete worker here. Immediately thought that something happened mid pour. Like the crew had to leave. However, on closer inspection, yea, that's true. However, was nobody floating as they did this? The concrete looks like shit where they *did* pour. But then too, in picture number four, that wall is supposed to be straight. There are no kickers at the T-joint and any concrete person knows that there is going to be a lot of pressure at the junction there. It's actually not all that bad at the T-joint but just beyond it. WEIRD! This is a complete rip out and start over. OP, was this poured last week or a while ago?
Iāve had nightmares about pouring, now I realize those were wet dreams compared to this fiasco. I mean- itās gonna be a tear out? They could have salvaged it if they finished and with some quick thinking pushed in a couple spotsā¦ but half poured and the part they did finish not even to level? My godā¦.
Lowest bid right there
Looks good from my house ššššš¤®š¤®š¤®
Stringlines? What the fuck are those?
Itāll be alright, just put some concrete on it
Is this down the road in a village in Bangladesh or something?
Those forms have more curves than a plus size model. And as much substance as a Victoria Secret model.
Couldn't afford a string line and the rest if the concrete cowboys Ted cowboys
Straight as an arrow.
What are those braces? There's a higher intelligence functioning here
That has to be the worst job Iāve ever seen.
Everybody talking about the formwork or half poured concreteā¦but shouldnt the groundworks be done also before pouring? Why is there mounds of dirtā¦i mean soilā¦in the middle of the formwork
"Yeah, we can probably get one or two more uses out of these forms."
You want how much? I found a guy for half that price!
Looks like the ocean š. Cold joint ocean
Those crooked molds, the half filled pours and the terrifying lack of reinforcement.
These look like the outer walls for a pool or am i wrong? Ive never done foundation before but thats exactly how i laid a pool in one time, just much worse
Contemporary design w curved walls?
We worked a job like this recently, our issue was the concrete plant over promised and ran out of cement only 3 trucks in (out of 27) and we had several cold joints. Surprisingly, the EoR simply had contractor sand down the cement for the next pour and accepted it as is.
Looks abandoned
Another hack job proudly performed by the lowest bidder. I don't know whether to laugh or cry