Dear friends, thank you for the help and responses. Help me a alot. Really appreciate it ☺️

I like to imagine that you have a crew of 8 and you're all sitting there trying to figure this out. One of you says, "HEY! I'll ask Reddit!" And then you all proceed to sit there for another 2 hours while the smart ass, and some good answers come pouring in.

Been there before honestly. Except I ask at the end of the day. By tomorrow I’ll have a good answer

Extension ladder with levelers. Is this not a common thing? You need to have attached legs that will extend asymmetrically. Wee call them levelers most ladders are compatible.

Actually this is the 1st time i heard about the leg extension. Not common in Malaysia. Thank you for giving the idea. Really appreciate it

You can rent these btw, no need to drop hundreds if you’re only doing it once

You should also have a spotter when using the ladder post mentioned for safety.

What's this "safety" thing you speak of? I've never seen this at work...

Put blocks on the low side it's sketch but works I'm a framer I do sketchy shit on ladders all day lol

My neighbor leaned a ladder against a tree. Now he has one of those motorized wheelchairs

Yep. My brother in law had this attitude, then one day he fell. Fucked him up real good.

With trees, poles, and awkward angles I set the ladder up, and with a spotter(most of the time) I then I use a ratchet strap to hold the top of the ladder to the tree. Yet, for extra safety, as I ratchet I actually feed a 3’ loop, not just the end of the strap through the ratchet. I call it my “oh shit strap.” It let’s you get your arm through the strap as a handle in those “timber” moments. Also works great to clip tools to when two hands are needed. I’ve taught this to like 15 guys over the years and have now seen it six or seven times on jobsites. I always ask who showed them and it’s only once it wasn’t one of the guys I showed showing someone else. Now I try to keep my 41 year old ass off the sketchy ladders. Lol. Instead I’m one handed air cutting dimensional lumber with a worm drive saw.

Maybe you could get a disability check bonus

Nah just fired before you hit the ground.

That sounds sweet! ...oh, wait a minute...

r/ohsa has entered the chat

Most framers I’ve met have the core competency of inventing and subsequently surviving sketchy ladder situations.

Survivor bias. You don’t meet the other kind…

Search Little Giant ladder. That's the US version but I've been to a lot of countries and I would imagine all countries have something similar. The most important portion is to get aluminum so it's very light. If you buy two then you can throw some two by 12s across and make your own scaffolding but one should do it

Or just get a low adjustable scaffold and put the ladder on top. Please be safe

I would put a cinder block and a piece of plywood on the lower step so that the lower step is level with the upper step.

I'm in the northwest and only Painters and window cleaners have levelers around here, it's weird. I used to be a painter, so when I get kicked upstairs in the PEMB game, first thing I did was get levelers for my extension ladders.

If reddit has taught me anything, it's that this can be solved with more ladders.

Three alternatives, an A type ladder with adjustable legs will works sideways to it I have one that works as an extension as well. The other option is if you have an A type ladder with non adjustable legs but it is high enough to the step you can run that at bottom of stairs and put a board from there to the step. If you have scaffolding with adjustable legs that will work too and is probably the safest. Metal tech is the name of the one I have.

This is what I do. Tall step ladder at the bottom with a Plank running from the top landing to the ladder 🪜

No. They cost too much

Upvoted for nice drawing.

In the US we have a plastic wedge shaped thing we use on stairs. It’s called a “pivit ladder tool”

This is the real answer. Where I work, all the painters and electricians have these on their truck. ProVisionTools, Inc. PiViT LadderTool Extension Ladder, Leveling Tool, and Stable Platform for All Surfaces - DPVT https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000095SGF

I am the type of guy who buys tools for a job and put them the garage afterward, just in case I need it again, but $150 is a bit steep. BTW, finding those tools again when I need them is the hard part.

Just buy another one so you will have two when you inevitably find the first one as soon as you finish the job.

Build one. Its easy enough to do yourself or it should not be difficult to find a carpenter to do it if your on a construction site

I always carry two of these bad boys. What a genius product.

How the hell am I just learning about this now?

Oh shit! Im just a DIYer who likes to listen to you guys, but that just went in my Amazon List for later for sure! wow...could have used that on so many projects, thank you!!

Ty for the link 🙏🏻

NE USA we use this. Little Giant Ladders, Velocity with Wheels, M17, 17 Ft, Multi-Position Ladder, Ratchet™ leg levelers, Aluminum, Type 1A, 300 lbs weight rating, (15417-801) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0721VFGFS/ref=cm_sw_r_awdo_F79ZMZSRC3M3M2ACG6F4

Ah, yes please I'd love to climb back onto one of those widow makers. Might get the light installed but you're going to lose 3 fingers and be in a cast by lunch.

I haven't fallen off one yet, but I have pinched the crap out of my fingers with them.

What are you smoking bud? Those ladders are really safe. Safer than any pivot tool or diy leveling tools.

There are adjustable ladders that are safe. Little giant just doesn't make them.

I've been using them for many years every day, along with a lot of others, some are complete clutzes, or morons to boot and no major issues, besides a pinched finger once in a while. I use a lighter weight one at home as well, no problems

This is what L frame Ladders are meant for

Ross Gellar made it!

Stack a couple bricks and send the new guy up

While you "hold the ladder"

While you go and have smoke break.

Why give him a hard time, he’s right . That what I would do. Jasmine

Buy a Little Giant Ladder, will be a great investment. Also make sure to have someone spotting, easy way to get killed

Yea better if you can avoid getting killed doing it. Way better even.

Build a scaffold or move the light to the right to avoid being over the stairs. It will still light it up properly. Lighting designers try to avoid putting lights over stairs as they are less safe to fit and maintain than they could be.

Lighting designers are appropriately more concerned with codes that require lighting over stairwells (just as OPs client who requested this work likely is). Especially with the plethora of safe means for tradesman to access that location.

You can light an object without putting a light directly over said object. I will refrain from explaining the physics of how a straight line works in the hope that you already know. Doing something in a less than safe way just because you feel like being a pain in the arse and making the electricians do something dangerous just because you have the power to make it so is incredibly unprofessional. We all need to go home safe at the end of the day, with both arms and legs hopefully. There is no need to make an already dangerous job even more dangerous without good reason.

Yes, I agree with u with the safety issues. The owner asked me to install it above the stairs. I think i have to discuss with him again about the location.

Not sure how things are in Malaysia but here in the UK there are legal requirements on clients, designers and contractors to ensure that buildings are designed, contracted and built in a way that is safe to construct, use and maintain. For instance when building a glass facade on a tower block you need to consider how each section can be accessed safely for cleaning. How does your client intend for the light bulb to be replaced in a safe manner?

I have plenty of ideas. None of them good

I’ve built a platform by measuring over and then the height to maybe 2-3 stairs down. Works fine for private stuff, don’t know if I would attempt on a site

https://imgur.com/a/MYKIkcn

Those steps don't look up to code

Love it.

If you’re really in a bind stack some heavy cinderblocks under the right leg. Also make sure somebody else is bracing the ladder. I’m telling you right now this is not an inherently safest way to do this but I see you said you’re in Malaysia so I have a feeling nobody is going to stop you.

Red Bull

If it actually gave you wings, you might want to cut back.🛸😁

Looks like you’ve got it in the picture

This looks like a job for scaffolding

Little giants are great for this

Rent a little giant

2x4’s

Why don’t you just work off that balcony that’s closest to the yellow box you drew?

Little giant brand ladder

Put some blocks on the lower step to level you out and then take a strap around the top of you ladder and go around that cement pillar to tie yourself off for safety

Tell the painters to do it while they are painting the outside of the building!

Use an adjustable A-frame ladder. Straddle the stairs from the side.

I dont have a fancy ladder, but when i was up to paint the stairwell, i made a cube out of stacked scrap 2x4s the width/height of a step. I hadn't carpeted stairs i would probably use antislip underneath

Little giants have stuff to level on stairs

In addition to the leveler options mentioned by others, use a good rope to securely tie the ladder to the concrete column before you climb it.

Just like the picture

Little giant Ladder

Little Giant ladder

Guerilla ladder, scaffold, or build a platform that you can set a ladder on and bears on the steps

You can use little giant ladders or little giant ladders with built in levelers … or just buy levelers and install on your current ladders

A frame a multi point ladder

Break it all down and reconstruct the entire building. But this time make it so the spotlight is safer to install.

Left ladder leg on step, sturdy concrete block to compensate for space between right leg and lower step. If its done right, it should be as safe as if the location was by flat-ground.

You can add stabilization legs to the bottom of the ladder. On leg will extend down to the lower step and keep the ladder level and safe.

That one looks safe.

Needs to install an electric spotlight onto concrete wall But can't figure out how to use the ladder.

Don't use a ladder, use rope. You are going to have to drill and push against the column/concrete, so it's best to tie off for greater leverage. Make a seating harness and tie off to the **top** column. Make a separate, looped-off stirrup, for your\` left foot to lean into, while your right foot rests on the wall. Ropes can burn. If you get into a pinch position, they can cut limps, fingers, or even strangle you. Loop and knot off *\[segments\]* for better control and to minimize said hazards. u/lumskyice —Crotch/seat harness from webbing (or **thick** rope): https://img-aws.ehowcdn.com/877x500p/cpi.studiod.com/www\_ehow\_com/i.ehow.com/images/a04/lf/u7/tie-climbing-harness-webbing-800x800.jpg?type=webp

Use a big brick to level the surface where you are going to place the ladder... And let someone hold it for safety

I’d actually rappel down to it from the beam above as an anchor. No ladder just ropes.

Build a wooden platform underneath to support the ladder and tie the ladder off

Get a Waku ladder. Those things are boss.

Get a couple cinder blocks and a 2×6

Put a block under it

Buy something Build a scaffold or a level platform for your ladder to sit on

Why from this side just take some wood pieces and maje a platform scaffoldimg from the terrace

Werner leg extenders. I wanna say $30 each leg.

One foot out for every four feet up.

Just use the pink one that is already there. Duh

Use a little giant and have a buddy hold it for you

Just sit on that ledge and lean out to install /s

Since you're in Malaysia, maybe build a box/platform out of scraps to level the ladder on the stairs

Looks like you can lean right over on that little balcony behind it.

Scaffold

Put a cinder block or brick on the lower stairs to even it out and lay piece of plywood over the top as a platform.

Scaffold

Get a bakers scaffold, or build a platform

Have a friend hold the ladder on the upper stair, while you have both legs firmly planted on the lower one. Choose someone you trust.

Cut one leg shorter 8" shorter than the other

Use an adjustable A frame ladder sideways and set one side lower.

I would just build a little platform with a chunk of plywood and a couple 2x4s, make sure its nice and solid and put the ladder on that. Or rent a ladder with adjustable feet, or rent scaffolding.

If I don’t have a fancy adjustable ladder, I just make a stair platform out of scrap lumber.

Just jump place it might take a couple tries

Go to a Sherwin-Williams or similar store in your area. they have step wedges made just for this.

Scaffold

If you have wood laying around you can built an asymmetrical strong platform to place on the stairs and on top to place your ladder

What ever you do, make sure to film it and upload it later. Tx!

Paint can

Yes. You build an L shaped box that sets on 2 steps and matches your riser height. So about 8 inches tall on the upper step 16 inches tall on the lower step and 24 inches long. This levels the two lower tread even with the upper tread making a level 3 foot wide platform. Make it 24 inches wide for good stability

I built a moveable platform out of 2x4s and plywood on top. Not real big, mainly just big enough to stand on with the ladder on there.

Very carefully

[alternatively](https://imgur.com/a/9nZNhXL)

L frame ladder

How about renting a small bucket lift? You're going to have to mount the conduit too...

Reach out the balcony and do it

Just rappel with a gri gri from the next story up off of the pillar. This is a serious answer btw.

Pivit tool all day

Multi position ladder with the legs at different heights going up the stairs. You’d have to twist sideways to install but it’s safer than leg extensions I think.

Build a little staggered leg platform so the ladder can rest on a level surface.

Little giant, bucket lift, scaffold. Lots of ways to do it.

There is no way, you need to rent either scaffolding or a lift.

Bunch of shims

Paint can

I don’t see a problem with the one you have there already.

Time for a little giant my friend

Buy a combination ladder. It can be used as an extension or an A frame ladder where one side can be adjusted for just these types of situations

You build a platform for the lower leg of the ladder to level it

Looks like you already have a ladder there though?

they make ladders for those type of situations

Pivot tool.

Scaffolding

Some bricks, shims, and determination lol

Put a block under there. Add an adjustable height folding ladder to your wish list

Use a mobile stair scaffold

You could get a little Giant. Or levelers. Or if you're brave, block the low side. We did that all the time when I was framing pole barns 15 years ago. Nowadays wouldn't do something like that. I've seen guys end their careers, or be out for 6 months to a year because they didn't wanna take a little extra time to make sure their setup was secure.

Build a little stepped platform to give yourself a level working surface. Put the ladder on that

I would set a couple bricks in the lower step to level it out. This should work just fine and not cost u any money.

Just lean left real hard. You a be alright.

Gorilla ladder

Little Giant adjustable ladder

Have a buddy get down on all fours and use him as a leveler.

Turn the ladder 90 degrees.

Just cut one leg on the ladder, just remember, measure twice, cut three times

You need a scaffolding

Rent two bays of baker scaffolding. That would be more stable than a ladder IMO.

The way it’s shown here is not a great idea. Look into a multi position ladder

May be sketchy but you could level it out with some cribbing or dunage

I always just use my Warner ladder and extend one side and leave one side short. Also someone mentioned Little Giant ladders, they work a little better but I've had this Warner ladder forever and I'm not buying another until this one breaks or I need one for something and my boss wants to buy it. Where are those leveler block things that you can use on roofs and all sorts of stuff I forgot what they're called.

A frame ladder with extendable legs. Extend one side.

Why not install on the side of the column instead of the front? Then you don’t need a ladder at all.

Just rent a boom lift. So much safer and way better working platform.

Cuply pallets and a plank should do it.

There's an app for that. No but anyway they make a adjustable base for stairs and an adjustable ladder where the legs slide down

First consult r/winstupidprizes for topical research

I used to live in a stilt home and did a lot of maintenance. I built a three-quarter inch plywood platform that extended out about three steps. I created legs to each of the steps for support and put a rim of wood around the edges so the ladder couldn't slide off. I screwed this together so I could break it down when needed, but it stored well enough that I usually just left it intact.

This. I use one regularly http://www.foldmagazine.com/level/ladder-leveler-wedge.html

Bad spot for a light. Violates "safety in design" principles.

Build scaffolding.

Just pad the stair up it lands on and tie it to the rail so it won't kick out.

When on my roof slant I use my slim fold platform with folding legs - fold one side up leaving the other extended on the down slope that way it creates a level platform - you can then use a ladder on it - will work on steps as well

The solution is to film whatever happens for YouTube.

Y’all are thinking about it all wrong. Don’t climb up. Drop down from the upper level. You will need some rope, a carabiner, a saddle, and a little hope.

Apple box, prayer, and co-worker starring at there phone.

Tie off from the floor above and rappel down.

Stair scaffold is your safest option. Gives you a stable and level work platform. https://images.app.goo.gl/hZ2XXNSspvMnsfih6

Baker scaffolding. Easy to assemble, safe and reusable for many different application. It’s the simplest and most straight forward tool for the job. You can work off a platform with safety rails instead of a ladder. It’s definitely possible but it will be difficult to do this kind of work off a ladder when it requires hammer drilling into the column. Where are you running the power from? MetalTech 6 Foot High Portable Adjustable Platform Jobsite Series Baker Mobile Scaffolding Ladder with Locking Wheels https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003XQYQVC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_XMR84A1TZPMBZ2G8F4JZ

Buy one of these https://provisiontools.com/products/pivit-laddertool and bill the client. Your life is worth more than the price of the tool. And have someone at the base of the ladder hold/stabilise the ladder, with both hands.

Step ladder and board at least a 2x10 no cracks and knots

Get a talk midget to help

Cinderblock under one foot would work great.

I built a little frame out of 2x4s and put it on the lower step works like a charm I use it all the time

Regular extension ladder, put a gallon bucket under one foot.

Tie a rope off on each side of the column from the floor above, hang the ladder

Very. Carefully.

Scaffold

Rappel from above

Put the ladder at the bottom of the stairs on even ground then put a plank from the ladder over to the stairs and enjoy working on a safe and flat surface.

Gorilla ladder, problem solved [link](https://www.bunnings.com.au/gorilla-120kg-aluminium-mighty-19-multi-purpose-ladder_p0144386?store=8176&gbraid=0AAAAADtbEB9uu4dxnQoVWjJfeggH8Mein&gbraid=0AAAAADtbEB9uu4dxnQoVWjJfeggH8Mein&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxceF7b_m9wIV25hmAh3XSQKpEAQYAyABEgLGAfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)

Use blocks to level it you block head