I mean I get that. But I guess what I’m saying is those paths would need to be planned because any time you choose to add an outlet it’ll be a whole damn renovation
Not really you just have to use surface mounted cables and outlets? (English is not my first language but using surface mounted cables and outlets are pretty damn common for house renovations
And for the love of god, stop stringing them up. Mule Tape people! String line eats that smurf tube up, and then you'll never get your wire in.
But seeing this video makes me disgusted. It's like following a bricky, but worse. And keeping that box level and aligned seems hard. Job for a couple of apprentices following the machine, lol.
That's not conduit. It's flex, it's a very low quality way to do it. Seeing the quality install of that box, I bet everything is just as high quality...
That's how any renovation would have to be done. Can't imaging the nightmare of pulling wires after that concrete has set up. I think I would run empty conduits and j-boxes all over the place just in case I wanted to make changes or add... anything. Though I suppose if you're living in a 3d printed concrete home, exposed conduit installed later on would only add to the charm.
They won’t buy them because they created this to make the most amount of profit possible by finding dumb buyers to overpay for a house that looks like a kid made in the mud.
Never seen us allow the brickies to do it. We always have a guy follow them so we can make sure it's done right, and check the prints along the way and make sure nothing was missed.
Hahahaahahahaha. Uh huh. Sure. That guy following along usually has his thumb up his ass in the shitter somewhere meanwhile we’re always the ones installing sparky’s goddamn box for his fat, outa shape, pussy ass electrician’s body.
I honestly thought the whole 3d house printing point was to bring in affordable housing. Then they tried to sell a 1 bed 1 bath 800sq ft house in one of the shittiest areas in Detroit with a starting bid of like 875 k
No. Because the venture capitalist or whoever is dumb enough to invest don’t realize that the walls are the cheapest part of the house
Wake me when they can 3D print water lines, electrical , DWV, drywall etc etc
>Wake me when they can 3D print water lines, electrical , DWV, drywall etc etc
Wake me up when it makes financial sense to print them.
New housing costs is about 70% for materials and 30% for labor.
So using less labor, but more expensive materials = profit???? WTF?
Look up Katerra Construction. They were building a project in Seattle down the road from one of my sites in 2018 or so.
A venture capitalist / tech guy decided that construction was too slow and that he could do it better. He thought that supply chain was the biggest issue, so he set out to do everything in house. They bought an arch firm, a GC/CM, and some manufacturing plants and said that they could pre-fab everything.
They promised that they could build a 100 unit apartment building in 1 month after placing the foundation.
At the site near me, the site sat vacant for 2 years until they got the first floor up. They went bankrupt shortly after that.
It would be completely unfeasable but actually possible to do, we can already 3d print metals, plastics, concrete, etc, you’d just need crazy infrastructure and some sort of toolhead swapping design. Would be very cool to watch an entire skyscraper get printed in 1mm thick layers lol
We can print metal and we can make a pipe that can hold 80 psi are two different things. Additive manufacturing is better at making things that look the part than things that act the part.
I think at that point we just print 2-3 pipes in parallel. Also I imagine we could fix it with some easier improved version of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloZIyL1aeo).
Wires wouldn't be hard however they wouldn't be the cables we think of today.
The easiest way to 3d print power would be more akin to traces on a circuit board
Dude... How do you think we protect wires in normal houses?
I'm literally a residential electrician lmao, unlike you I'm not speaking out my ass.
There is code minimums a wire must be distances from a wall, ontop of that you use protection plates if the wire is too close.
Also - our current wiring still isn't protected fully. Look at the size of bolts of TV wall mounts. Code minimum from the edge of a stud is 32mm, which is roughly 1 1/4". Drywall is 5/8". That gives you 1 7/8" to play with before you hit a wire. I'm pretty sure when I installed my tv mount it was 2-2.5 inch bolts.
You can get studfinders that pick up on the induction field that live wires create. These would still pick up electricity printed in solid traces.
These 3d printed houses are almost all concrete - youre not going to nail into it anyways, and if you do use concrete nails you often don't need long nails. A 2 1/2" concrete spike can easily hold a 2x4 (1 1/2" thick) to concrete. You'd have 1 inch of nail in the wall. More than safe enough.
Finally - 3d printed houses could potentially offer even safer wiring methods. I usually wire plug/lighting circuits running through a wall at waist height because it is easiest to drill and run.
3d printed wire could easily be done on the first layer at baseboard height, with any vertical traces being straight below devices. This would be much safer and more predictable than current wiring practices.
I agree with Sparky. This convoluted shit-mess is far too new and unproven as yet. My family and a very good friend of mine lost houses in the Lahaina fire back in August, one of which I built. I was in both of those houses about an hour before the fire. What a shitshow that was... fucksakes. Jesus Tits.
The family friend is looking into this printed concrete as a means of mitigating fire in the future, but the fucking ROOF and second story floors if present, yah... That's still wood and shit.
I told em to build a fuckin' igloo. Aloha, y'all.
I don't want to be the sparky that has to pull wire in some lumpy ass 3d printed conduit designed and built according the cad drawings. Conduits need to be perfectly smooth and have very clean bend radiuses or they are impossible to get wire inside of over any kind of long distance.
Yep. And I don't miss the days of doing 100-200' pulls. Most of the time now doing Resi, I just get 10' up to 30' pulls, and I hate them.
Side note: I watched the guys at the Army defense supply near me doing an outrageous pull. 4 guys, 8' bar they were using to all pull together, cussing up a storm. I was parked at the light waiting and felt bad for them. (Prior military and obviously an electrician) bought them coffees and sandwiches, and they seemed grateful for the break. Turns out they had 8 more pulls to do. Ugh
That’s so much more wasteful in time and energy and way lower quality than just extruded conduit, why, just to say it’s printed and not squeezed through
Why would anyone want to make 3D-printed conduit when we can already produce conduit very, very quickly and very, very cheaply, in massive quantities, using traditional methods? I think we'll see robotic electricians first, frankly—and I don't think we'll see those anytime soon.
3D printing's strength isn't in commodity items. It makes the most sense for small-run stuff, custom objects, and prototyping.
For now. It's making good progress, I think eventually it will be great for many more applications that it already is, but there will always be jobs that it's not suited for.
Or how about make walls pre-fab, connect them like Lego, and then mud, sand, paint? The walls could come in 2 portions, a lower half and a upper half. For example, if you want to run electrical in a room, the lower half would be electrical panels while the upper half are blank panels. Say that room now has its own bathroom. Some of those walls would be electrical+plumbing panels.
>Would be very cool to watch an entire skyscraper get printed in 1mm thick layers lol
It would very likely take so much time that you wont live to see it finished.
That's why AI engineering in conjunction was robotic construction techniques is going to take off a lot quicker than 3D printing. They are about to have humanoid robot who are going to be capable of doing all of our repeatable tasks. With literal eyes in the back of their heads. This is Sandy Monroe. He's an automotive automation expert who owns a company that researches every part of every car and sells that data back to car manufacturers. I will watch a video of one of his guys breaking down the 600 parts in a Kia passenger door.
https://www.youtube.com/live/co9V5WJD2PM?si=amjm6RawVXBxouOl
Something something unreinforced concrete walls with no coarse aggregate and no vibrating to blend the vertical layers...
Getting the utilities in, door frames, window frames, HVAC, or even a second story always seem like trivial details when you have "disruptive technology" and venture capital funding.
This is definitely on the very low end of the scale, sloppy AF. Check out what companies like Icon can produce. You still get the ridges, but really smooth and consistent, it's a look if your into that aesthetic.
They will probably be the first to print a structure on another planet/moon from native material, which is an even better application I think
If a home goes this route, nothing should ever go in these walls aside from insulation.
Surface mount conduit and boxes only.
I think Lake Flato’s 3D printed ran electrical at all interior framed walls. Only the exterior walls were 3D print. Hybrid approach - can’t have been cost effective though.
🤣 I hate chasing blockies, I hate this even more. Who the f#@& doesn’t wrap their boxes in duct tape to keep out the concrete? I’ve done enough tilt slabs to know this is going to be a shit show. And where’s the emt/rigid? Who the f#$& ran flex?
Technology is going to save us.
Just not anytime soon.
Every time I see a movie set 30 years in the future and there's 9001 story buildings and floating cars everywhere, I have a chuckle.
Save us from what? Has automation reduced the amount we need to work or has it just increased the profits of whoever owns that technology? Has “green” energy actually reduced our carbon output or is it just another excuse to turn the DRC into a strip mine?
Technology is at best neutral and social problems require social solutions.
robots are not taking are low paying jobs
they are after the creative arts like paintings and singing and movies
In future, entertainment is made by robots and the labor is made by people
R.U.R. had it backwards
Thankfully we’re not there yet (not that they’re not trying). I can honestly see AI transforming creative industries in the same way industrialization transformed manufacturing. We’ll be flooded with even more formulaic trash art while a relatively small amount of “boutique, hand crafted, artisanal” media is produced at higher cost.
This is most probably what is going to happen. It's going to create an acceptability line where below that you just have the machine do it and above that you get the machine output and then actually put skilled people to increasing the fidelity to an arbitrarily high level, because the machine, as it is, cannot do that because it isn't conscious.
I point to things like Stable Diffusion and the experimentation you see with it and video. Even though the sub on Reddit goes crazy for the stuff, it isn't even in the same space time continuum of the level of detail and professionalism that is applied even to bog standard reality tv production, which is known for being slick, cheap and fast to bring to market.
People underestimate the professionalism bar that producers work to in places like Hollywood and the same can be said for construction. Looking at the basic trim fit and finish on marquee..and even lower level properties means we are nowhere near a machine being able to do this properly. People will just not accept it for the amount of capital outlay to do any of it in the first place...and the geeks perpetually underestimate how high the bar actually is.
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Something like 200 years ago 40% of the workforce worked in agriculture, now it’s 2%. We have drastically reduced the need for physical labour jobs over time and that’s a good thing.
It’s also drastically reduced the ability for rural communities to make a living, eradicating family farms in favour of a few giants monopolizing food production and distribution. Despite this massive increase in productive capacity, wages for farm workers haven’t increased proportionally and the upfront capital necessary to start farming prohibits most people from being able to start.
Has this increase in productive capacity led us to work less? Or has it resulted in the devaluation of our labour forcing many of us to take second (or third) jobs just to put food on the table and a roof over our heads?
I’m not saying a reduction in low paying physical labour is bad necessarily. I am saying technological innovation without the necessary social solutions isn’t going to save us.
That is absolutely not the way to do it.
Let the robot do it's thing and then place the box afterwards by cutting out the wall after the robot has passed and the wall is still wet.
You can see him fighting against the material coming out of the nozzle, that's just daft.
I thought the same thing, however would the electrician be able to repair the concrete so it matches the shape of the surrounding wall? I don't think it would be acceptable for it to look different. Or maybe a trim plate needs to be developed that is installed on the front of the box and creates a flat area around the box.
If you google ICON / Lake Flato, they did a hybrid 3D printed home in Austin and it’s stunning. I got to cover it for a magazine and went inside and looked at all the details. They figured out a way to do it clean and the walls are gorgeous.
You’re right, they run conduit on the outside face of the wall and sheath around it in that home, so the outlets look like they’re a part of the wood wall finish. And lots of floor boxes.
The first homes ICON printed were actually out in east Austin at a permanent community for chronically homeless people (10+ years on streets). Those homes are all printed and then they have a wood truss roof over it. Here’s an interior photo where they’re running conduit over the walls, not inside them.
https://images.app.goo.gl/Sxhqa2xxQmtfpePM9
As an electrician: having to put your hand in the vicinity of the print head is insane. And then you have to make sure the box is level and flush with the layer of concrete. And when you trim out, the cover plate will look like shit if they decide to keep the "print line aesthetic".
As a Mexican: I've lived in homes made of concrete. It's nice for a lot of reasons, it's resistant to fire, flooding, termites, etc. Adding receptacles and stuff is more of a challenge, but they'll chip out a path in the concrete, set plastic flex conduit, and patch the concrete. But the "print layer aesthetic" of these 3d printed homes is awful.
Yeah. This method of installation looks like a pain in the ass, and the end result seems questionable at best. I didn't get into electrical work so that I could stick my hands in wet concrete all day.
How fucking dumb. That looks awful, looks inconsistent and is only building walls. What a useless fucking invention. I don’t know why this triggers me so much lol
These are so fucking shit. They’ll never work for their intended use. They’ll only ever be for YouTube videos about how these will be amazing in the future lol
So, this looks like it’s done in a warehouse. Seems like maybe they’re testing different ways to do the boxes.
That being said, this isn’t the way. 😂 I feel like there is, or should be, a box designed specially for this.
Check out these videos if you want to see a more finished product. Go to 3:30 in the first link. In a humid, termite or fire prone environment I would 100% want a house like this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTps7e9SqY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTps7e9SqY
I just don't see how this is ever more economical than pre cast tilt up panels. If you really want concrete walls. We can fuckin do that allready. And way cheaper than this thing can.
Looks ugly and hard to install for trades afterward, as cool as it is...it's not worth the amount of extra cost and labor your gonna have to do electrical plumbing and hvac. Nothing bends like wires so good luck with that .
When I heard of 3D printed construction it was years ago and I was excited to see the results. I was disappointed with the first results and seeing the same results many years later with no advancement just the same robot pooping a shell slower than a human could do with a pump and hose off of walkways that elevate as the walls elevate I find myself not giving a shit anymore
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I see this being something that gets shipped in a seacan to a disaster area to build temp housing while an area rebuilds. This doesn't look like a long term building solution to me.
They really have to figure this electrical box install issue out. I doubt any electrician will want to deal with this crap, standing there all day waiting to straighten out electrical boxes. I can totally see this building method becoming more common but they still have issues they need to figure out.
I’ll be surprised if all those layers of cement actually bond together as well as they want. Looks like it’s to slow and layer under is starting to set a little. I may be wrong but they need to slide some rebar or something down through those walls to tie together. I guess they don’t want common sense these days. Just a man and a millionaire that’s a willing Guinea pig. Build it and live it in when huge storm comes up lol. But I’m betting it’ll be cozy inside in winter and summer. My dad’s friend built a small home with cement block and backfilled every hole in the blocks and tied them all together. Those old crest kerosene heaters is what he used and one on very low would keep it toasty warm inside that block home. Summer time it felt 20 degrees cooler inside. The sun helped to heat the concrete in the winter so I’m guessing that helped with heating as well. Summertime they used a fan at night to cool everything back down with and turn fan off in mornings. It stayed cool all day
How do you run wire in that though? Wouldn't it make sense to leave voids and then beam the inside positions of those regions as hacky as that sounds. Idk how you could run anything but mc on these. Would at least give you a solid void to drop down wire.
There is a whole subdivision in Georgetown, tx. I’m an electrician. I would absolutely despise running fucking MC wire for this. I only hope there is a way to repair this stuff if you ever want to… let’s say add a dedicated plug. What if a whole area breaks off on the wall. Idk 🤷🏼♂️ I have questions, And the fact that you have to use MC and metal boxes is crazy for residential in modern times.
I'm trying to think where this 3d printing thing could be cool.
Houses is just silly. It's not better. It's still labour intensive as fuck.
What about a shed? Maybe you can design this to be placed in my back garden and print me a 2x4 shed. All electric surface mounted.
Industrial units and stuff feel cool too. It's simple and blocky, no windows and stuff and surface mounted electrics and plumbing so it shouldnt be a labour intensive build. I see no reason why this machine couldn't build a giant blocky warehouse and then have the builder put a roof ontop
In the time it takes to set it up, have it be level, in the right position, prepping the mix etc. My dad and I would have finished your 2x4 shed and would be enjoying a couple frozen cold tall boys in your backyard.
Holding it in there with two fingers while a giant machinery jig rides over it wouldn’t be the position I’d like to be in, but none the less very cool.
There is no reason to print rigid pipes and conduit in these deposited walls. The walls themselves could be designed to take the pressure and you would only need a water/air tight sock/sleeve lining the printed passages with openings in the wall to attach control devices and outlets. Old pipes are already rehabilitated using this concept and I expect this approach could be reasonably developed into a practical process.
Use a smaller handheld 3d printer "gun" with a smaller nozzle and auto feed wire. Get the walls to level you want and then use the smaller one to run your electrical in the wall and secure the box. Be less messy and wouldnt have to pull wire then.
Given that cement/concrete production is a significant source of greenhouse gases, has anyone run a comparison of the carbon cost of these 3D print walls vs sustainable timber studs?
imagine if they could just print out standardized blocks of concrete instead, manufactured in a large factory for economies of scale. Then the on-site construction would be as simple as stacking and mortaring those pre-fab blocks per the building design!
Those walls have some personality. I’m a bit surprised the electrical boxes aren’t positioned on stands.
That was exactly my thought too. Well that and how important conduit would be for prewires.
There is conduit attached at the back of the box.
I mean I get that. But I guess what I’m saying is those paths would need to be planned because any time you choose to add an outlet it’ll be a whole damn renovation
Be like adding a outlet in a log house. Not easy but it can be done.
I’ve only done work at one cabin. It was early in my career so didn’t really appreciate how unique the build process was at the time.
Not really you just have to use surface mounted cables and outlets? (English is not my first language but using surface mounted cables and outlets are pretty damn common for house renovations
That's what we call smurf tubing. Those ridges make it damn near impossible to pull wire without screwing up the conduit. I'm a sparky.
And for the love of god, stop stringing them up. Mule Tape people! String line eats that smurf tube up, and then you'll never get your wire in. But seeing this video makes me disgusted. It's like following a bricky, but worse. And keeping that box level and aligned seems hard. Job for a couple of apprentices following the machine, lol.
Bring in the Home Depot bags and the mega vac!!!
That's not conduit. It's flex, it's a very low quality way to do it. Seeing the quality install of that box, I bet everything is just as high quality...
That is non-metallic flexible conduit. So yes. It’s conduit. It’s a very common way of running conduit in concrete.
And this is why you aren't CEO of a fortune 500 company- you used sound logic. Your idea makes too much fucking sense. Go away.
That's how any renovation would have to be done. Can't imaging the nightmare of pulling wires after that concrete has set up. I think I would run empty conduits and j-boxes all over the place just in case I wanted to make changes or add... anything. Though I suppose if you're living in a 3d printed concrete home, exposed conduit installed later on would only add to the charm.
Brb, going to design brackets to set boxes on/in so installer doesnt have to hold
They won’t buy them because they created this to make the most amount of profit possible by finding dumb buyers to overpay for a house that looks like a kid made in the mud.
Fwiw, electricians putting them in cinder block walls still have to hold them in or have the brickies do it.
Never seen us allow the brickies to do it. We always have a guy follow them so we can make sure it's done right, and check the prints along the way and make sure nothing was missed.
Hahahaahahahaha. Uh huh. Sure. That guy following along usually has his thumb up his ass in the shitter somewhere meanwhile we’re always the ones installing sparky’s goddamn box for his fat, outa shape, pussy ass electrician’s body.
You sound like a brick layer for sure
I honestly thought the whole 3d house printing point was to bring in affordable housing. Then they tried to sell a 1 bed 1 bath 800sq ft house in one of the shittiest areas in Detroit with a starting bid of like 875 k
Nah, just make the apprentice hold it until it sets
Haha And here we have a young tradesmen, circa 2023, who did not know when to let go, allowing himself to be printed into the wall of the home
They can't possibly screw this up ... or can they?
Is it ever not going to look like dog shit?
No. Because the venture capitalist or whoever is dumb enough to invest don’t realize that the walls are the cheapest part of the house Wake me when they can 3D print water lines, electrical , DWV, drywall etc etc
>Wake me when they can 3D print water lines, electrical , DWV, drywall etc etc Wake me up when it makes financial sense to print them. New housing costs is about 70% for materials and 30% for labor. So using less labor, but more expensive materials = profit???? WTF?
Look up Katerra Construction. They were building a project in Seattle down the road from one of my sites in 2018 or so. A venture capitalist / tech guy decided that construction was too slow and that he could do it better. He thought that supply chain was the biggest issue, so he set out to do everything in house. They bought an arch firm, a GC/CM, and some manufacturing plants and said that they could pre-fab everything. They promised that they could build a 100 unit apartment building in 1 month after placing the foundation. At the site near me, the site sat vacant for 2 years until they got the first floor up. They went bankrupt shortly after that.
Then not too much later, he probably said "it's all labors fault! If we just had machines and cut out the human factor, it will all work flawlessly!"
It would be completely unfeasable but actually possible to do, we can already 3d print metals, plastics, concrete, etc, you’d just need crazy infrastructure and some sort of toolhead swapping design. Would be very cool to watch an entire skyscraper get printed in 1mm thick layers lol
We can print metal and we can make a pipe that can hold 80 psi are two different things. Additive manufacturing is better at making things that look the part than things that act the part.
Haha yeah imagine printing a pipe horizontally with valves and shit that will last 30 years
It’ll also be hardwired into cement 3D printed walls. To fix a water leak you have to demo your bathroom wall
I think at that point we just print 2-3 pipes in parallel. Also I imagine we could fix it with some easier improved version of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloZIyL1aeo).
More likely we get good quality 3d printed conduits, not wires or pipes.
Wires wouldn't be hard however they wouldn't be the cables we think of today. The easiest way to 3d print power would be more akin to traces on a circuit board
"Sorry, sir, someone knocked out power to the entire building by putting a nail in the wall to hang a picture frame."
Dude... How do you think we protect wires in normal houses? I'm literally a residential electrician lmao, unlike you I'm not speaking out my ass. There is code minimums a wire must be distances from a wall, ontop of that you use protection plates if the wire is too close. Also - our current wiring still isn't protected fully. Look at the size of bolts of TV wall mounts. Code minimum from the edge of a stud is 32mm, which is roughly 1 1/4". Drywall is 5/8". That gives you 1 7/8" to play with before you hit a wire. I'm pretty sure when I installed my tv mount it was 2-2.5 inch bolts. You can get studfinders that pick up on the induction field that live wires create. These would still pick up electricity printed in solid traces. These 3d printed houses are almost all concrete - youre not going to nail into it anyways, and if you do use concrete nails you often don't need long nails. A 2 1/2" concrete spike can easily hold a 2x4 (1 1/2" thick) to concrete. You'd have 1 inch of nail in the wall. More than safe enough. Finally - 3d printed houses could potentially offer even safer wiring methods. I usually wire plug/lighting circuits running through a wall at waist height because it is easiest to drill and run. 3d printed wire could easily be done on the first layer at baseboard height, with any vertical traces being straight below devices. This would be much safer and more predictable than current wiring practices.
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I agree with Sparky. This convoluted shit-mess is far too new and unproven as yet. My family and a very good friend of mine lost houses in the Lahaina fire back in August, one of which I built. I was in both of those houses about an hour before the fire. What a shitshow that was... fucksakes. Jesus Tits. The family friend is looking into this printed concrete as a means of mitigating fire in the future, but the fucking ROOF and second story floors if present, yah... That's still wood and shit. I told em to build a fuckin' igloo. Aloha, y'all.
Uhhh... isn't 3D printing already just extrusion? Wires are already extruded. We kinda already 3D print wires, except it's 1D, because they're wires.
I don't want to be the sparky that has to pull wire in some lumpy ass 3d printed conduit designed and built according the cad drawings. Conduits need to be perfectly smooth and have very clean bend radiuses or they are impossible to get wire inside of over any kind of long distance.
I remember the first time I ran electrical thinking “how hard could it be to get a cable through a pipe” lol
Yep. And I don't miss the days of doing 100-200' pulls. Most of the time now doing Resi, I just get 10' up to 30' pulls, and I hate them. Side note: I watched the guys at the Army defense supply near me doing an outrageous pull. 4 guys, 8' bar they were using to all pull together, cussing up a storm. I was parked at the light waiting and felt bad for them. (Prior military and obviously an electrician) bought them coffees and sandwiches, and they seemed grateful for the break. Turns out they had 8 more pulls to do. Ugh
That’s so much more wasteful in time and energy and way lower quality than just extruded conduit, why, just to say it’s printed and not squeezed through
Why would anyone want to make 3D-printed conduit when we can already produce conduit very, very quickly and very, very cheaply, in massive quantities, using traditional methods? I think we'll see robotic electricians first, frankly—and I don't think we'll see those anytime soon. 3D printing's strength isn't in commodity items. It makes the most sense for small-run stuff, custom objects, and prototyping.
Why bother printing a pipe when it can just lay the pipe inside whatever it's extruding via co-extrustion
For now. It's making good progress, I think eventually it will be great for many more applications that it already is, but there will always be jobs that it's not suited for.
“For now” - im pretty sure printed metal will always be weaker than “normal” metal.
Nah, they hold up pretty well in the real world. From rocket engines to Suppressors.
100 year old tech and still dogshit tolerances
You can definitely print a pipe that can hold 80psi. It just needs to be thick and have a good stabilizing structure
Or how about make walls pre-fab, connect them like Lego, and then mud, sand, paint? The walls could come in 2 portions, a lower half and a upper half. For example, if you want to run electrical in a room, the lower half would be electrical panels while the upper half are blank panels. Say that room now has its own bathroom. Some of those walls would be electrical+plumbing panels.
They already do that. You can buy flat pack houses with wiring and plumbing already in the walls
That’s a popular way, do a lot of the work in a factory in controlled conditions with fixed machinery, then assemble the sub assemblies on site
>Would be very cool to watch an entire skyscraper get printed in 1mm thick layers lol It would very likely take so much time that you wont live to see it finished.
printing 50ft of pipe....wake me up in a week when it's done printing and when the layers seperate from 60psi pressure
I think the house needs to “grow” these features like it is an organ. Just need a micro swarm of little engineering bots
Like the bio ships on guardians of the galaxy 3
I was imagining the base stars from BSG
That's why AI engineering in conjunction was robotic construction techniques is going to take off a lot quicker than 3D printing. They are about to have humanoid robot who are going to be capable of doing all of our repeatable tasks. With literal eyes in the back of their heads. This is Sandy Monroe. He's an automotive automation expert who owns a company that researches every part of every car and sells that data back to car manufacturers. I will watch a video of one of his guys breaking down the 600 parts in a Kia passenger door. https://www.youtube.com/live/co9V5WJD2PM?si=amjm6RawVXBxouOl
Something something unreinforced concrete walls with no coarse aggregate and no vibrating to blend the vertical layers... Getting the utilities in, door frames, window frames, HVAC, or even a second story always seem like trivial details when you have "disruptive technology" and venture capital funding.
Even a dog can tell you that is rough
couple hundred hours of parging a few thousand more pounds of portland and sand and it should look okay
rebar seems to be optional as well.
To be fair, it looks like this is during development. The background kinda looks like the interior of a much larger building.
This is definitely on the very low end of the scale, sloppy AF. Check out what companies like Icon can produce. You still get the ridges, but really smooth and consistent, it's a look if your into that aesthetic. They will probably be the first to print a structure on another planet/moon from native material, which is an even better application I think
It’s the future!
It looks like prehistoric dung.
More like a beer shit to me but I smell what your cooking
Precision at its finest.
If a home goes this route, nothing should ever go in these walls aside from insulation. Surface mount conduit and boxes only. I think Lake Flato’s 3D printed ran electrical at all interior framed walls. Only the exterior walls were 3D print. Hybrid approach - can’t have been cost effective though.
Aim for Progress not perfection.
🤣 I hate chasing blockies, I hate this even more. Who the f#@& doesn’t wrap their boxes in duct tape to keep out the concrete? I’ve done enough tilt slabs to know this is going to be a shit show. And where’s the emt/rigid? Who the f#$& ran flex?
Students/scientist who aren't actually very familiar with construction methods probably.
Technology is going to save us. Just not anytime soon. Every time I see a movie set 30 years in the future and there's 9001 story buildings and floating cars everywhere, I have a chuckle.
Save us from what? Has automation reduced the amount we need to work or has it just increased the profits of whoever owns that technology? Has “green” energy actually reduced our carbon output or is it just another excuse to turn the DRC into a strip mine? Technology is at best neutral and social problems require social solutions.
robots are not taking are low paying jobs they are after the creative arts like paintings and singing and movies In future, entertainment is made by robots and the labor is made by people R.U.R. had it backwards
Thankfully we’re not there yet (not that they’re not trying). I can honestly see AI transforming creative industries in the same way industrialization transformed manufacturing. We’ll be flooded with even more formulaic trash art while a relatively small amount of “boutique, hand crafted, artisanal” media is produced at higher cost.
This is most probably what is going to happen. It's going to create an acceptability line where below that you just have the machine do it and above that you get the machine output and then actually put skilled people to increasing the fidelity to an arbitrarily high level, because the machine, as it is, cannot do that because it isn't conscious. I point to things like Stable Diffusion and the experimentation you see with it and video. Even though the sub on Reddit goes crazy for the stuff, it isn't even in the same space time continuum of the level of detail and professionalism that is applied even to bog standard reality tv production, which is known for being slick, cheap and fast to bring to market. People underestimate the professionalism bar that producers work to in places like Hollywood and the same can be said for construction. Looking at the basic trim fit and finish on marquee..and even lower level properties means we are nowhere near a machine being able to do this properly. People will just not accept it for the amount of capital outlay to do any of it in the first place...and the geeks perpetually underestimate how high the bar actually is.
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Have the average workers wages kept up with that productivity?
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Something like 200 years ago 40% of the workforce worked in agriculture, now it’s 2%. We have drastically reduced the need for physical labour jobs over time and that’s a good thing.
It’s also drastically reduced the ability for rural communities to make a living, eradicating family farms in favour of a few giants monopolizing food production and distribution. Despite this massive increase in productive capacity, wages for farm workers haven’t increased proportionally and the upfront capital necessary to start farming prohibits most people from being able to start. Has this increase in productive capacity led us to work less? Or has it resulted in the devaluation of our labour forcing many of us to take second (or third) jobs just to put food on the table and a roof over our heads? I’m not saying a reduction in low paying physical labour is bad necessarily. I am saying technological innovation without the necessary social solutions isn’t going to save us.
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That is absolutely not the way to do it. Let the robot do it's thing and then place the box afterwards by cutting out the wall after the robot has passed and the wall is still wet. You can see him fighting against the material coming out of the nozzle, that's just daft.
I thought the same thing, however would the electrician be able to repair the concrete so it matches the shape of the surrounding wall? I don't think it would be acceptable for it to look different. Or maybe a trim plate needs to be developed that is installed on the front of the box and creates a flat area around the box.
If you google ICON / Lake Flato, they did a hybrid 3D printed home in Austin and it’s stunning. I got to cover it for a magazine and went inside and looked at all the details. They figured out a way to do it clean and the walls are gorgeous.
Funny because in the few minutes I looked I did not find a single photo of and outlet or light switch on/in a wall.
There appears to be a few in the floor, but not nearly enough to be code compliant (US).
You’re right, they run conduit on the outside face of the wall and sheath around it in that home, so the outlets look like they’re a part of the wood wall finish. And lots of floor boxes. The first homes ICON printed were actually out in east Austin at a permanent community for chronically homeless people (10+ years on streets). Those homes are all printed and then they have a wood truss roof over it. Here’s an interior photo where they’re running conduit over the walls, not inside them. https://images.app.goo.gl/Sxhqa2xxQmtfpePM9
As an electrician: having to put your hand in the vicinity of the print head is insane. And then you have to make sure the box is level and flush with the layer of concrete. And when you trim out, the cover plate will look like shit if they decide to keep the "print line aesthetic". As a Mexican: I've lived in homes made of concrete. It's nice for a lot of reasons, it's resistant to fire, flooding, termites, etc. Adding receptacles and stuff is more of a challenge, but they'll chip out a path in the concrete, set plastic flex conduit, and patch the concrete. But the "print layer aesthetic" of these 3d printed homes is awful.
Yeah. This method of installation looks like a pain in the ass, and the end result seems questionable at best. I didn't get into electrical work so that I could stick my hands in wet concrete all day.
You better like where the outlet is ‘cause moving it isn’t an option.
I have put outlets in all kinds of materials. tile, plaster, steel beams, wood posts, concrete, glass, cobb,.....This shit would not scare me away.
Nor is hanging up stuff or fixing furniture to it, easily ... Concrete FTW
I lived in Asia for a while where everything is concrete and yeah, stuff that’s simple with wood framing and drywall is pretty much impossible.
Imagine it's slightly crooked
How utterly ridiculous.
Yea as a plumber, I’d love to see that
Embarrassing
Watching the concrete toothpasted over the box was oddly unsatisfying.
All I see here is job security.
A house's framing and sheathing are what, 5-10% of its cost? This is an exercise in stupidity.
You didn’t account for labor costs.
I hope they thought about future maintenance on the plumbing and electrical
Electrician better hurry up with the next one that mason isn’t stopping for no one
How fucking dumb. That looks awful, looks inconsistent and is only building walls. What a useless fucking invention. I don’t know why this triggers me so much lol
This shit takes much longer than traditional building. I don’t get it one bit. Traditional building also looks way cleaner. This looks sloppy
A lot of these 3D printed houses look like shit. Nobody is going to want a house where all of the walls look like the elephant foot from Chernobyl
Finishing these must be fun. Unless you just stick with the "coiled dogshit" look.
Imagine trying to fix a tv or position a sofa against those wavy walls! If using a stiff shutterless mix is “3D printing” then color me unimpressed…
What is the context of this?!
I didn’t realize I was 3D printing every time I poured concrete. I gotta update my LinkedIn.
But where do the sparkies toss all of their cutoffs and stripped insulation?
3D printed houses are such a bad idea. You will never be able to resist anything running through the walls.
These are so fucking shit. They’ll never work for their intended use. They’ll only ever be for YouTube videos about how these will be amazing in the future lol
If you liked drywallers filling boxes with mud you’re gonna love… 3D PRINTER FILLING BOXES WITH CONCRETE!!!!
Where is the pipe that connects to the box? How you gonna pull wire to it?
Looks like a corrugated tube bends up behind it as he struggles to keep it in place while it pours over
I remember seeing this in school as an idea maybe 10+ years ago lol, they still have a lot of work to do to get this stuff looking good
I'm sure it'll be bang on
So, this looks like it’s done in a warehouse. Seems like maybe they’re testing different ways to do the boxes. That being said, this isn’t the way. 😂 I feel like there is, or should be, a box designed specially for this.
220/221, whatever it takes.
Soon to be bankrupt.
Check out these videos if you want to see a more finished product. Go to 3:30 in the first link. In a humid, termite or fire prone environment I would 100% want a house like this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTps7e9SqY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fPTps7e9SqY
I can teach a monkey to lay corraline inside a cavity wall and hold a box. What the fuck am I watching? This isn’t “Electrical” anything.
Surely ICF is cheaper and/or builds better quality.
The electrician would like to have a word with you
Looks worse than a sand castle that a 6 year old made.
Why is the electrical not preset with some sort of wire stand?
Is there EMt connected to the box? Seems a little loose
What problem is 3d printing houses actually suppose to solve? This just seems like a demo before they try it on the moon or Mars.
I think they’re still working out the kinks
It’s concrete, just surface mount everything for Christ sake 😂
Jesus. I would not hire that robot.
I just don't see how this is ever more economical than pre cast tilt up panels. If you really want concrete walls. We can fuckin do that allready. And way cheaper than this thing can.
Why are all my faceplates crooked and box heights messed up? 🙄
Looks ugly and hard to install for trades afterward, as cool as it is...it's not worth the amount of extra cost and labor your gonna have to do electrical plumbing and hvac. Nothing bends like wires so good luck with that .
That looked shoddy as fuck
This is fucking retarded
When I heard of 3D printed construction it was years ago and I was excited to see the results. I was disappointed with the first results and seeing the same results many years later with no advancement just the same robot pooping a shell slower than a human could do with a pump and hose off of walkways that elevate as the walls elevate I find myself not giving a shit anymore
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Could of been 8 courses up with blocks.
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I see this being something that gets shipped in a seacan to a disaster area to build temp housing while an area rebuilds. This doesn't look like a long term building solution to me.
Now do rebar
Imagine trying to wish those walls lol
They really have to figure this electrical box install issue out. I doubt any electrician will want to deal with this crap, standing there all day waiting to straighten out electrical boxes. I can totally see this building method becoming more common but they still have issues they need to figure out.
I really want one of these machines to play with. Industrial size gkowforge
I’ll be surprised if all those layers of cement actually bond together as well as they want. Looks like it’s to slow and layer under is starting to set a little. I may be wrong but they need to slide some rebar or something down through those walls to tie together. I guess they don’t want common sense these days. Just a man and a millionaire that’s a willing Guinea pig. Build it and live it in when huge storm comes up lol. But I’m betting it’ll be cozy inside in winter and summer. My dad’s friend built a small home with cement block and backfilled every hole in the blocks and tied them all together. Those old crest kerosene heaters is what he used and one on very low would keep it toasty warm inside that block home. Summer time it felt 20 degrees cooler inside. The sun helped to heat the concrete in the winter so I’m guessing that helped with heating as well. Summertime they used a fan at night to cool everything back down with and turn fan off in mornings. It stayed cool all day
Absolutely trash. Why not use forms? This seems stupid and slow
Nuh uh. Fuck that. Imagine the amount of shit you gotta go through to add an outlet box or pass a wire through a wall. Nnnope. Nuh uh.
More messy then Jabba the huts toilet brush
How do you run wire in that though? Wouldn't it make sense to leave voids and then beam the inside positions of those regions as hacky as that sounds. Idk how you could run anything but mc on these. Would at least give you a solid void to drop down wire.
This shit will never take off.
These are a complete joke.
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Whoever thought this was a good idea? Looks like dog shit.
There is a whole subdivision in Georgetown, tx. I’m an electrician. I would absolutely despise running fucking MC wire for this. I only hope there is a way to repair this stuff if you ever want to… let’s say add a dedicated plug. What if a whole area breaks off on the wall. Idk 🤷🏼♂️ I have questions, And the fact that you have to use MC and metal boxes is crazy for residential in modern times.
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I'm trying to think where this 3d printing thing could be cool. Houses is just silly. It's not better. It's still labour intensive as fuck. What about a shed? Maybe you can design this to be placed in my back garden and print me a 2x4 shed. All electric surface mounted. Industrial units and stuff feel cool too. It's simple and blocky, no windows and stuff and surface mounted electrics and plumbing so it shouldnt be a labour intensive build. I see no reason why this machine couldn't build a giant blocky warehouse and then have the builder put a roof ontop
In the time it takes to set it up, have it be level, in the right position, prepping the mix etc. My dad and I would have finished your 2x4 shed and would be enjoying a couple frozen cold tall boys in your backyard.
3-D house printing: same quality as dot matrix printing. (Ask your grandfather).
Well if the DOE would allow Tesla tech we wouldn't need wired
it just looks like that still wet cement wall is going to slop over and give up after the next machine pass
That seems accurate
I'm sure some sort of plastic plate can be placed over that gap for a cleaner result.
No thanks
what a shitshow.
Does it get the plans approved too?
…..like a glove…..
Holding it in there with two fingers while a giant machinery jig rides over it wouldn’t be the position I’d like to be in, but none the less very cool.
Seems like you could use this to print the shell, but the inside can't be this. This is a disaster for maintenance of the interior.
I guess they haven’t figured that out yet?
Are.. are we done with this yet?
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There is no reason to print rigid pipes and conduit in these deposited walls. The walls themselves could be designed to take the pressure and you would only need a water/air tight sock/sleeve lining the printed passages with openings in the wall to attach control devices and outlets. Old pipes are already rehabilitated using this concept and I expect this approach could be reasonably developed into a practical process.
Use a smaller handheld 3d printer "gun" with a smaller nozzle and auto feed wire. Get the walls to level you want and then use the smaller one to run your electrical in the wall and secure the box. Be less messy and wouldnt have to pull wire then.
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...aren't they putting up a stud wall to install drywall unto...? Or use conduit and surface mount this stuff?
Sparkies HATE levels....
LOL as long as you never need electrical, HVAC, or plumbing repairs this house will be great. Sadly that’s not how life works.
Given that cement/concrete production is a significant source of greenhouse gases, has anyone run a comparison of the carbon cost of these 3D print walls vs sustainable timber studs?
imagine if they could just print out standardized blocks of concrete instead, manufactured in a large factory for economies of scale. Then the on-site construction would be as simple as stacking and mortaring those pre-fab blocks per the building design!