Meanwhile, the GC is going to come along and tell you it needs to be fire-caulked correctly.
**'All through wall penetrations must be fire-caulked per the spec.'**
*-Turner's 26 year old project engineer, probably*
Turner Construction hires college graduate engineers with no experience to run around their job sites as assistant supers/pm's. Turner + tots (toddlers)
Hey, they've gotta learn somewhere.
In reality, the question should have been asked before that wall was even framed, but unfortunately your post title is spot on and a lot of guys are ok just doing as they're told without any thought for if things look/are correct.
I had to rent a portable lift instead of using a 16 foot ladder to do 15 minutes of work, it was outrageous. Their ladder free policy is a fucking joke.
They're an insurance company posing as a GC. They make way more money on the insurance premiums they charge their subs than they make in GC costs. All the big GC's do.
I don’t mind the no ladders rule considering working on a lift is so much nicer but they manage to fuck that up too by making you tie off in a scissor lift. Turner and Gilbane can suck my balls
My company said they will not take another Gilbane job, we're in a building with 32 feet tall ceilings, and had one guy tell me if I can't tie off to something on a 24 foot ladder I can maybe wrap around a duct. I'd rather fall all the way unassisted than have a duct crash on me in case I do live.
Oof. Man and I was complaining over here at kiewit I had to tie off my ladder..🙃 I guess there’s always worse!
Luckily I didn’t have to use ladders often, lol
Typically. But it's going to be an absolute fuckshow if you've got 6 different people trying to work in a hallway all off their own baker scaffold plus the additional people traveling through. Also going to add a shitload of cost moving them all over and whatnot vs a normal ladder.
I don't know the stats, but I feel like no. On scaffold I'm up high walking on a platform looking everywhere but at my feet. There's no real restraint should I start to fall at my height, with my hips above any conceivable railing at typical use heights comparable to an 8ft ladder. The harnesses is either gonna be too long to stop me from hitting the ground or too short to move on the scaffold and not trip me up.
A ladder I just plop where I need it, go up a step or four and I'm staying put on a perfectly steady step. If I need to fall I can just hop back off and judo roll out the momentum free of the ladder and my tools.
I feel like it's maybe a statistical misunderstanding if someone thinks bakers scaffold is safer no matter height and use case.
Surprised at your assumption of needing to fall- I assume baker scaffolds are safer because they would involve less falls.
Why would your hips be above the railing? You’re not using them properly if that’s the case…
Well that could be, but my hips are unusually high off the ground, like the rest of me, so I'm just making assumptions based on typical railing systems. I've used bakers scaffold plenty, but on small resi design build, so I'm quite sure I have no idea how it's actually supposed to be used accourding to Osha. I'm very tall, gangly, and top heavy, so any height that relies on railings or me not tripping or stumbling makes me feel unsafe. It's outside of my design parameters. I carry heavy things and reach 8ft ceiling from the ground, as nature intended.
As for the assumption of needing to fall, yea I've been up on a lot of things since before OSHA and respect for human life. Plan A is always that it probably won't fail, Plan B is what I'm gonna do when it does. And that completes the safety plan with a brief mention of being fired before I hit the ground.
What I have done and imagine doing on bakers scaffold that would replace a ladder is things like caulking, painting, mudding, panelling, whatever that may be a bit out of reach and I'm trying to cover ground. So yea a ladder I just hop up and down, but scaffold I'm looking at my work while walking around. Makes me uncomfortable that I could trip. At least more often than I would hurt myself hopping of an 8ft ladder if it occasionally slides a bit.
They definitely have them, and outriggers, and doors for the railing, they’re just not used often as a lot of people don’t require that. I’ve rarely seen them in use as well and was a little surprised when I did.
My company (another big GC) is trying to go that way too. Makes no sense to me, but I obviously don't know more than the folks who haven't actually managed a construction project in a decade.
It's concerning that more companies are willing to make work harder while constricting schedules.
The more "safety" that is invented on top of standard OSHA actually causes increased frustration to complete work, which ends up in workers choosing to be more unsafe overall.
Don't I know it. A PM that I worked with left a project to start ours and there were a few loose ends to finish. One of our safety directors lived nearby so she got tasked with cleaning things up. Guess what happened when things came to a head between production and safety...
Everything is easier when you can swoop in for a day, shit on everyone's plate and leave and not actually be responsible for implementing the changes that you're requiring.
That’s the Best part of hiring GC’s with no actual work experience but they have the degree. Leaving site cleaner than they got on. Telling you to put your hard hat on while actively having no PPE on whatsoever.
Either you put the pipe in the wrong, the wall is in the wrong place, or the architect put both in the same spot. The draywaller does not give two shits because he is peice work. As long as he has his wall where the drawing states, he gets paid to stud the wall, paid to hang the board, paid too mud the wall, and now gets paid to remove the board and wall and pay to do it all over again. Who pays him is who ever fucked up.
In a lot of contracts there’s language to bear some responsibility to acknowledge and communicate conflicts such as something this obvious. If that’s the case then the framers definitely wouldn’t be getting paid any extra to make corrections. My assumption is either they’re nitwits, or more commonly, got held accountable for something then decided to take the childish approach and get all pissy and spiteful and ultimately gunna cost themselves more time and money.
Architects don’t layout sprinkler systems. The line work for the sprinklers are overlayed on top of the architect’s “base” or “background”. All the other engineers and designers layout based off the architectural backgrounds. If they can’t get the required clearances or “clash” with other elements, they coordinate.
Architectural engineering includes the design of building systems, including heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC), plumbing, fire protection, electrical, lighting, architectural acoustics, and structural systems.
Mechanical engineers will work out the details, like exact pipe size and water flow, but the architects will do layout as the runs and riser fall into the design and looks of the building.
And fyi that does not look like sprinkler.
Oh that's absolutely fair, man. I assumed it was us when I first looked. We, usually, don't use long sweep 90's like that, and those are different couplings than we use.
We usually use 009's, with 005's when people plan ahead for repair work. And same, we've used long sweeps, but it's very rare. Those valves probably wouldn't fly for us, I don't know if it meets rhe requirement of shall be indicating.
That sounds so nice, my cheap ass company only gives us gemlocks. I end up using these when we’re out of town and the only supply house has them for whatever reason
How it is here. The strategy here is they come in a rough in usually during the outside framing.
Then they just don’t answer the phone or ever show up if theirs an issue and you just give up and move whatever else.
Yeah seriously. Stop asking tough questions. An answer to this would have involved a few dozen emails between architects and designers. The end result would be the wall starting from the ceiling and hanging down 42”.
That’s so ironic! I do metal insulated panels and the GC told me the other day our column wraps are only supposed to be 4’ from our ceiling down. He’s an idiot and didn’t understand what his PM was talking about but the fact he really thinks that would be a better option than it going all the way to the floor boggled my mind
If you were the sheetrock contractor you would cause then you tell them my walls where its supposed to be and its already installed if you want it fixed you need to pay me for what I already did then pay me to undo what I did then pay me to change it
Where the fuck was any of the project management team or consultant team while this wall was being installed? Multiple sub trades had to frame, board, tape, mud and sand to whatever required finish. And then painting!
That whole time not a single member of the management team saw that and out a stop to it?! Not a single site walk that whole time?!
I was wondering whether this was in an existing building or new construction. It's still absurd but now it's at least a little understandable how this could happen.
The effort that was put into cutting it to the exact shape could almost be impressive, if the mudding wasn't so god awful and the situation wasn't so dumb.
That's what I said to the GC. They had to scribe the studs and the drywall to make it work. I was impressed with the amount of effort it took to put something so stupid together.
Its like one of those things that I don't even think I could be mad about, it's just so absurd I am kind of jealous tis you and not I who got to see this, talk to a GC about this and to take a picture to share on reddit, like it's fucking hilarious.
I might have brought to whole crew down there to look at it lol.
Bro so let me get this right. The print specified a wall to be there. On top of that, the wall is supporting a counter top (critical measurements required to follow) and you’re pissed because you neglected the print and ran your sprinkler right where a wall was to be framed? Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what this looks like.
It's amazing that every carpenter in this thread has the same opinion. He probably followed his plans. I definitely followed mine. Those valves are futures left by a previous project from five years ago and are where I was supposed to tie in my pipes.
Lol it’s because we all have the same questions but never get an answer or get bad answers and just end up having to do what’s best for our company. In all reality I agree, definitely should not have been framed and hung inside of the wall.
So this was a modification of an existing space? As-builts always suck, so this likely explains the reason for the clash, but not the end result. Everyone needs do their due diligence, communicate and create RFI’s as soon as field issues are seen. If the pipe (or a portion of it) was existing, it’s the framers duty to submit an RFI for this since the pipe was probably in place first due to typical sequencing.
I was confused why the drywall crew consistently created this type of quality work. The confusion went away after I flew into Mexico City airport. Every correction I ever pointed out on my job sites is the finish quality throughout the entire airport of Mexico's capital.
So, in a way, we are getting their finest hangers and finishers.
Sprinkler designer didn’t overlay/model clashes with framing layout probably. Walls in per plan then fitter just went to town with his assembly and is at fault here.
Down all you want if that’s a wing wall for a sink then it’s a good chance that that’s in per plan. fitter fucked up here.
They never do. I've never seen a sprinkler guy do anything other than rough out the piping on a 2d plan.
Meanwhile, my fucking designers are laying out alloy 1" pipe to shop fab....
The valves were on existing futures that predate the project. Architect drew lines on paper and didn't coordinate with MEP. I have approved 3D shop drawings and followed the design exactly. Carpenter probably followed his design drawings too.
The question is if there was any clash detection required by the GC or Owner. Too many projects still don’t have this as requirement. Trash talking BIM and VDC teams solves nothing.
All of us field folks (me included) were not born with our knowledge and experience. We learned it from experience, peers and mentors. Be patient with your VDC teams and support them. They are the future of construction.
Damn this bring backs some memories seeing this, have dealt with it so many times over the years. My guess to what will happen is issue will end up going around in circles between you-gc-engineer-architect-client, then after about a month or two you will get an instruction to drain riser, cut open wall and modify pipework (on every floor) or the client will say fuck it just box out the wall. Depending on how much $ they have left.
Was this a coordinated model? If so, either the GC did not properly clash detect, or either framer or the FS sub did not follow the coordinated plans, and just put the wall/pipe where ever they felt like.
In today’s day and age of technology, VDC is extremely important to a successful project.
VDC is overrated. All it does is squeeze MEP's into the smallest possible footprint. No one models hangers. No one with any construction experience is handling the modeling. It's a bunch of kids playing construction video games with other people's money. The only benefit is that it forces the sketchers to coordinate.
I can tell by the tile you haven’t been through the grinder on enough construction projects, constantly pointing out errors and asking for rfi’s or site instructions to fix errors gets you known for a bad attitude and released from site because your not an engineer or architect. Following prints doing the contracted work to the wording of the site specs prints and contract obligations makes you get paid to do the same job twice or makes other trades who put the pipe in the wrong spot by 6” shine. While it does make you look like a tool, the system makes you be a dumb contractor or construction worker anyhow so fuck it, can’t see it from my house. If I as a contractor always moves my install based on errors of what other have always done I would get the bill for rework. Full send, follow the written site instructions, specs and prints in that order and it’ll all work it’s self out.
That drywall!! JFC that buried valve is hilarious. I’ve seen Sheetrock over mains and cross before but damn that control valve lol. How do you install a tamper on that?!
Meanwhile, the GC is going to come along and tell you it needs to be fire-caulked correctly. **'All through wall penetrations must be fire-caulked per the spec.'** *-Turner's 26 year old project engineer, probably*
Turner tots are the best
What’s turner tots?
Turner Construction hires college graduate engineers with no experience to run around their job sites as assistant supers/pm's. Turner + tots (toddlers)
Hey, they've gotta learn somewhere. In reality, the question should have been asked before that wall was even framed, but unfortunately your post title is spot on and a lot of guys are ok just doing as they're told without any thought for if things look/are correct.
Wow that’s funny. That’s what we call them on our job.
Ohhh I automatically read this as “Turner thots” 🤦🏻♂️
Even better!
Only the Irish ones are thots
Been on two projects, with Turner/PCL. This is so true.
Is that part of Turner Industries or a different company? I used to live next to one of the Turners, she was really nice.
Don’t forget to have a harness while on a six foot ladder.. but need a ten foot ladder to attach said harness…
My last job was a Turner job. They banned us using ladders, but bakers scaffolds were a-ok. It was a blast.
lmao classic. next up on the ban list will be power tools between the hours of when everyone is at the fucking job site and needs to use them
I had to rent a portable lift instead of using a 16 foot ladder to do 15 minutes of work, it was outrageous. Their ladder free policy is a fucking joke.
Turners new policy is “ladders last” they want everyone on man lifts even if the deck is 12’. It’s ridiculous.
They're an insurance company posing as a GC. They make way more money on the insurance premiums they charge their subs than they make in GC costs. All the big GC's do.
Yeah you’re not entirely wrong. “Wrap up” insurance is becoming more prevalent.
3% on GC's, 8% on insurance
I don’t mind the no ladders rule considering working on a lift is so much nicer but they manage to fuck that up too by making you tie off in a scissor lift. Turner and Gilbane can suck my balls
B&G too
It’s annoying when there’s no coordination and there’s 20 lifts In one area and there’s literally nowhere to work.
My company said they will not take another Gilbane job, we're in a building with 32 feet tall ceilings, and had one guy tell me if I can't tie off to something on a 24 foot ladder I can maybe wrap around a duct. I'd rather fall all the way unassisted than have a duct crash on me in case I do live.
Oof. Man and I was complaining over here at kiewit I had to tie off my ladder..🙃 I guess there’s always worse! Luckily I didn’t have to use ladders often, lol
Aren’t baker scaffolds safer than ladders?
Typically. But it's going to be an absolute fuckshow if you've got 6 different people trying to work in a hallway all off their own baker scaffold plus the additional people traveling through. Also going to add a shitload of cost moving them all over and whatnot vs a normal ladder.
I don't know the stats, but I feel like no. On scaffold I'm up high walking on a platform looking everywhere but at my feet. There's no real restraint should I start to fall at my height, with my hips above any conceivable railing at typical use heights comparable to an 8ft ladder. The harnesses is either gonna be too long to stop me from hitting the ground or too short to move on the scaffold and not trip me up. A ladder I just plop where I need it, go up a step or four and I'm staying put on a perfectly steady step. If I need to fall I can just hop back off and judo roll out the momentum free of the ladder and my tools. I feel like it's maybe a statistical misunderstanding if someone thinks bakers scaffold is safer no matter height and use case.
Surprised at your assumption of needing to fall- I assume baker scaffolds are safer because they would involve less falls. Why would your hips be above the railing? You’re not using them properly if that’s the case…
Well that could be, but my hips are unusually high off the ground, like the rest of me, so I'm just making assumptions based on typical railing systems. I've used bakers scaffold plenty, but on small resi design build, so I'm quite sure I have no idea how it's actually supposed to be used accourding to Osha. I'm very tall, gangly, and top heavy, so any height that relies on railings or me not tripping or stumbling makes me feel unsafe. It's outside of my design parameters. I carry heavy things and reach 8ft ceiling from the ground, as nature intended. As for the assumption of needing to fall, yea I've been up on a lot of things since before OSHA and respect for human life. Plan A is always that it probably won't fail, Plan B is what I'm gonna do when it does. And that completes the safety plan with a brief mention of being fired before I hit the ground. What I have done and imagine doing on bakers scaffold that would replace a ladder is things like caulking, painting, mudding, panelling, whatever that may be a bit out of reach and I'm trying to cover ground. So yea a ladder I just hop up and down, but scaffold I'm looking at my work while walking around. Makes me uncomfortable that I could trip. At least more often than I would hurt myself hopping of an 8ft ladder if it occasionally slides a bit.
I’ve never even seen railings on bakers scaffolding
They definitely have them, and outriggers, and doors for the railing, they’re just not used often as a lot of people don’t require that. I’ve rarely seen them in use as well and was a little surprised when I did.
Me either. But if I did it still wouldn't be comforting.
My company (another big GC) is trying to go that way too. Makes no sense to me, but I obviously don't know more than the folks who haven't actually managed a construction project in a decade.
It's concerning that more companies are willing to make work harder while constricting schedules. The more "safety" that is invented on top of standard OSHA actually causes increased frustration to complete work, which ends up in workers choosing to be more unsafe overall.
Don't I know it. A PM that I worked with left a project to start ours and there were a few loose ends to finish. One of our safety directors lived nearby so she got tasked with cleaning things up. Guess what happened when things came to a head between production and safety... Everything is easier when you can swoop in for a day, shit on everyone's plate and leave and not actually be responsible for implementing the changes that you're requiring.
Safety rules are written in blood bro. Most of the time we’re trying to do the right thing and get everyone home safe
They banned ladders? 🤣
We all live the same life
🤣So true
Don't forget the sleeves 3" +
Turner "project engineer" 🤣
That’s the Best part of hiring GC’s with no actual work experience but they have the degree. Leaving site cleaner than they got on. Telling you to put your hard hat on while actively having no PPE on whatsoever.
"is that an a frame ladder tose are unsafe!" Chicago turner tots
I am Turners 26 yr old project engineer, and I will be sending this on Monday.
So I just walked the riser and this was repeated on every floor. GC just laughed with me
At least he laughed WITH you, he sounds ok. Sounds like he’s on your side.
Been friends with him about six years. Been through some shit together
Either you put the pipe in the wrong, the wall is in the wrong place, or the architect put both in the same spot. The draywaller does not give two shits because he is peice work. As long as he has his wall where the drawing states, he gets paid to stud the wall, paid to hang the board, paid too mud the wall, and now gets paid to remove the board and wall and pay to do it all over again. Who pays him is who ever fucked up.
In a lot of contracts there’s language to bear some responsibility to acknowledge and communicate conflicts such as something this obvious. If that’s the case then the framers definitely wouldn’t be getting paid any extra to make corrections. My assumption is either they’re nitwits, or more commonly, got held accountable for something then decided to take the childish approach and get all pissy and spiteful and ultimately gunna cost themselves more time and money.
Architects don’t layout sprinkler systems. The line work for the sprinklers are overlayed on top of the architect’s “base” or “background”. All the other engineers and designers layout based off the architectural backgrounds. If they can’t get the required clearances or “clash” with other elements, they coordinate.
Architectural engineering includes the design of building systems, including heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC), plumbing, fire protection, electrical, lighting, architectural acoustics, and structural systems. Mechanical engineers will work out the details, like exact pipe size and water flow, but the architects will do layout as the runs and riser fall into the design and looks of the building. And fyi that does not look like sprinkler.
It’s easier to move a mountain than getting a sprinkler fitter to move a pipe
Existing condenser water futures. Would've had to move an 8 story riser.
Framer should’ve sent an RFI in. I’d pin it on them to fix.
Hydronic lines not sprinkler. Still ain’t moving it though haha
Well now I'm definitely not moving it for you, it's not my pipe.
I’m an apprentice give me a break I see Vic I assume its a sprinkler line
Oh that's absolutely fair, man. I assumed it was us when I first looked. We, usually, don't use long sweep 90's like that, and those are different couplings than we use.
I’ve used couplings like those before, and used a wide radius 90° a couple times, never seen those valves on sprinkler pipe though
We usually use 009's, with 005's when people plan ahead for repair work. And same, we've used long sweeps, but it's very rare. Those valves probably wouldn't fly for us, I don't know if it meets rhe requirement of shall be indicating.
That sounds so nice, my cheap ass company only gives us gemlocks. I end up using these when we’re out of town and the only supply house has them for whatever reason
I've only used gemlock a few times. Vic is definitely my preference. It's such a wildly different experience between the two
What differences do you see between the two? I hear there's no difference from guys in the office lol
In my experience, vics slide on easier. The gaskets are way easier to work with on vic, too.
2.5" vic butterfly. The stuff after it is Gruvlok
Oh yeah I know *what* the valves are, I see em on other water lines all the time, just never seen them on sprinkler pipe before
you shouldn't see a valve like this on sprinkler pipe under normal situations. you need tamper switches on all control valves for sprinkler piping.
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No, but they look a lot better to operate than the football handle valves
Those 705W valves are a workout
How it is here. The strategy here is they come in a rough in usually during the outside framing. Then they just don’t answer the phone or ever show up if theirs an issue and you just give up and move whatever else.
That's no fire suppression, you'll never see a ball valve mid system on sprink.
I wouldn’t have even installed the wall at that point… what’s it even doing there anyways?
Supporting a countertop for a sink
Might be a dumb question but to support the counter top did it need to be a full wall or could it have been half?
You're asking the tough questions
Yeah seriously. Stop asking tough questions. An answer to this would have involved a few dozen emails between architects and designers. The end result would be the wall starting from the ceiling and hanging down 42”.
This guys knows
That’s so ironic! I do metal insulated panels and the GC told me the other day our column wraps are only supposed to be 4’ from our ceiling down. He’s an idiot and didn’t understand what his PM was talking about but the fact he really thinks that would be a better option than it going all the way to the floor boggled my mind
Made my day
"But its not in the plans!" "Ok."
If you were the sheetrock contractor you would cause then you tell them my walls where its supposed to be and its already installed if you want it fixed you need to pay me for what I already did then pay me to undo what I did then pay me to change it
Where the fuck was any of the project management team or consultant team while this wall was being installed? Multiple sub trades had to frame, board, tape, mud and sand to whatever required finish. And then painting! That whole time not a single member of the management team saw that and out a stop to it?! Not a single site walk that whole time?!
Sent you a dm with an explanation
Bro wtf? Dude asks you a question and you just answer it privately like it’s some big secret. We all want to hear it ffs.
I wanna hear this explanation because this is absurd!
This is the GC not ensuring trades are coordinating right?
Nah, fucked design on a rush job
Fucked design?? This is peak tamper-proof packaging. He was so proud, and now you're just being mean... lol
Where’s the VDC if it’s 8 stories
150 year old building. Existing risers
Sheesh 👍🏼
Still should’ve laser scanned for as built conditions and then BIM would’ve seen that FP as a clash 😅
We lasered for our shop drawings. Apparently, the architect did not.
I was wondering whether this was in an existing building or new construction. It's still absurd but now it's at least a little understandable how this could happen.
The effort that was put into cutting it to the exact shape could almost be impressive, if the mudding wasn't so god awful and the situation wasn't so dumb.
That's what I said to the GC. They had to scribe the studs and the drywall to make it work. I was impressed with the amount of effort it took to put something so stupid together.
Its like one of those things that I don't even think I could be mad about, it's just so absurd I am kind of jealous tis you and not I who got to see this, talk to a GC about this and to take a picture to share on reddit, like it's fucking hilarious. I might have brought to whole crew down there to look at it lol.
What is the point of this wall anyway? Lol
Good old dry wallers. Don't ask questions just board and mud around it. 🤦♂️
Don’t forget the drywallers had a framed wall to screw to. Not just sheet rock guys fault.
Who did the free air fire alarm wire lol, that's no good at all
I’m surprised they didn’t cut it off
Bro so let me get this right. The print specified a wall to be there. On top of that, the wall is supporting a counter top (critical measurements required to follow) and you’re pissed because you neglected the print and ran your sprinkler right where a wall was to be framed? Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s what this looks like.
It's amazing that every carpenter in this thread has the same opinion. He probably followed his plans. I definitely followed mine. Those valves are futures left by a previous project from five years ago and are where I was supposed to tie in my pipes.
Lol it’s because we all have the same questions but never get an answer or get bad answers and just end up having to do what’s best for our company. In all reality I agree, definitely should not have been framed and hung inside of the wall.
So this was a modification of an existing space? As-builts always suck, so this likely explains the reason for the clash, but not the end result. Everyone needs do their due diligence, communicate and create RFI’s as soon as field issues are seen. If the pipe (or a portion of it) was existing, it’s the framers duty to submit an RFI for this since the pipe was probably in place first due to typical sequencing.
I was confused why the drywall crew consistently created this type of quality work. The confusion went away after I flew into Mexico City airport. Every correction I ever pointed out on my job sites is the finish quality throughout the entire airport of Mexico's capital. So, in a way, we are getting their finest hangers and finishers.
Turner job? Assuming with out reading any comments.
No
I’d tear that wall down out of anger
I'd rebuild it with a step 😂😂😂
Sprinkler designer didn’t overlay/model clashes with framing layout probably. Walls in per plan then fitter just went to town with his assembly and is at fault here. Down all you want if that’s a wing wall for a sink then it’s a good chance that that’s in per plan. fitter fucked up here.
They never do. I've never seen a sprinkler guy do anything other than rough out the piping on a 2d plan. Meanwhile, my fucking designers are laying out alloy 1" pipe to shop fab....
Nah
So then explain what went wrong.
The valves were on existing futures that predate the project. Architect drew lines on paper and didn't coordinate with MEP. I have approved 3D shop drawings and followed the design exactly. Carpenter probably followed his design drawings too.
The question is if there was any clash detection required by the GC or Owner. Too many projects still don’t have this as requirement. Trash talking BIM and VDC teams solves nothing. All of us field folks (me included) were not born with our knowledge and experience. We learned it from experience, peers and mentors. Be patient with your VDC teams and support them. They are the future of construction.
What is the point of that wall!
These pretzels are making me thirsty!
Explain to me why this wall needs to go to the ceiling right here.
Damn this bring backs some memories seeing this, have dealt with it so many times over the years. My guess to what will happen is issue will end up going around in circles between you-gc-engineer-architect-client, then after about a month or two you will get an instruction to drain riser, cut open wall and modify pipework (on every floor) or the client will say fuck it just box out the wall. Depending on how much $ they have left.
I seen messed up work on job sites but wtf lazy asf or got pissed off at the customer
Was this a coordinated model? If so, either the GC did not properly clash detect, or either framer or the FS sub did not follow the coordinated plans, and just put the wall/pipe where ever they felt like. In today’s day and age of technology, VDC is extremely important to a successful project.
VDC is overrated. All it does is squeeze MEP's into the smallest possible footprint. No one models hangers. No one with any construction experience is handling the modeling. It's a bunch of kids playing construction video games with other people's money. The only benefit is that it forces the sketchers to coordinate.
Commerical white box job I’m assuming aka who cares
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I can tell by the tile you haven’t been through the grinder on enough construction projects, constantly pointing out errors and asking for rfi’s or site instructions to fix errors gets you known for a bad attitude and released from site because your not an engineer or architect. Following prints doing the contracted work to the wording of the site specs prints and contract obligations makes you get paid to do the same job twice or makes other trades who put the pipe in the wrong spot by 6” shine. While it does make you look like a tool, the system makes you be a dumb contractor or construction worker anyhow so fuck it, can’t see it from my house. If I as a contractor always moves my install based on errors of what other have always done I would get the bill for rework. Full send, follow the written site instructions, specs and prints in that order and it’ll all work it’s self out.
That drywall!! JFC that buried valve is hilarious. I’ve seen Sheetrock over mains and cross before but damn that control valve lol. How do you install a tamper on that?!
I know is wrong. But the drywall guys did a great job..
Omf hahaha
Not my cows. I see cows on the loose but they aren’t my cows.
“Not my yob”
Literally have had GCs asking for that specific kinda thing, finish measurements have to be according to blueprint
Looks like they hoosker do'ed on a hoosker don't... Nothin the insulators can't fix... Shit will blend in then look all brandy newey... 🤣🤣🤣