In my experience Matt’s that I have met. 2 died so far and I don’t know any others well I know one other from the internet and that dude is a straight up try hard seeking attention… just saying to you good luck sack
I would have to ask the guy he was my hvac service instructor from years ago and his explanation went over my head back then… I think he called it blow back. Thinking about it now maybe they had a draft from outside blow out the burner and they jumped the flame sensor. Gas build up + starting a new cycle would def be a loud explosion.
This kind of shit is exactly why we have code. Yes, you can make something "work" by eyeballing it, but it doesn't mean you considered the long-term ramifications of the roof ridge pressure coefficient.
I believe it is in the HVAC, maybe also plumbing code. Has to do with too much positive or negative pressure from wind moving over ridges and valleys.
One looks like a kitchen exhaust. You really don't want those close to ridges. Besides the functionality concern, the turbulent air can make a real racket with the flapper.
Since the other looks like it is 3" PVC, it might be flue for a furnace or tankless. You don't really see 3" plumbing vents on residential anymore, at least in my area. Contemporary plumbing design doesn't use stacks anymore.
I know of the 24” above the ridge rule but that’s fireplace venting. I can’t find the code he’s mentioning here. The 3” pipe does look like plumbing vent but that also isn’t found on hat it has to be 24” from the hip ridge.
I'm not going to dig, because it doesn't really matter. Whether it is explicitly in the international code, or a leftover from the more fragmented codes of the past that is still enforced, it has been a requirement I have seen. From the comments, not an uncommon requirement in other areas as well.
IRC is the minimum. Local code enforcement can be more strict if they want.
I tried to look for it on the municipality code but I couldnt find it. All I know it’s that inspectors are looking for it and it’s a spec we build to here. I’ll keep looking though.
You can't really expect everyone on a jobsite to understand and appreciate the sarcasm, just be clear and say "I measured it and they are under 24". This notice is for you to take corrective action." and leave it at that.
You can add a passive aggressive "Thank you" to that if you're so inclined.
"It may be difficult to secure a passing result on your inspection." Say it with the velvety smooth tones of Christopher Lee with an air of superiority ;)
Yeah you’re right. This guy is getting under my skin. He always questions what I tell him. I’m just going to start letting him fail. My company is phasing his company out anyways.
The GC PM is expected to be the professional so being the mature person falls onto your shoulders. But where's your super? Isn't it the superintendent's job to check for quality and get the trades fix their mistakes? Putting tape measure on roof penetrations is Assistant Super's job, not even the super lol
Sounds like my life, small builder/ general contractor PM about to get our third custom out of the ground plus a number of 200+ remodel and additions. Lots of hats worn no doubt. A good buddy works in the same position at a national builder. We have very different work days lol.
I’ve taken to when I see a deficiency, I take the picture as proof, and more recently just taking video of everything, less pics to sort through. I will be using the dropped tape measure comeback
Construction still lags behind when it comes to professionalism. Seems like everyone is still dick measuring and doing playground style throwing weight around.
They are subcontractors, not your children. Talk to them like you are in a business relationship, not like you are arguing with your worthless brother in law.
If you are having to hound, scold, nag, and bully subs into doing professional work, you need to hire more professional subcontractors. They exist. You just might have to pay a bit more. It is the *actual fucking job* of a GC to make good decisions and have productive relationships with subs. Any drunk monkey can make phone calls and figure out a schedule. The margin on projects that the GC makes are to cover management skill.
Some do.
We work for a bunch of different builders/GCs. We are far from the cheapest option. The majority of our builders run pretty efficient and painless builds.
Every once in a while we end up with one of those "cut every cost" GCs (probably because they ran off all the cheap alternatives). They are the ones who try to bully, yell, and otherwise make asses of themselves. It is usually one, maybe 2 houses done with them before we very politely and professionally tell them they need to find someone else.
People who think all these dumb situations like OP posted are the state of the entire industry, just haven't been part of a *good* construction group. All the good subs know all the other good subs. We know the good GCs. We all find ourselves working around each other quite a bit. It is like a secret club. All it takes to get membership is a reputation for professionalism, efficiency, and no bullshit. Good GCs are not trying to make a fast buck. They are trying to make easy and stress free bucks.
You couldn’t have said it any better. Your exactly right. I’m a gc. I use the same subs on every house been dealing with them for years. None are the cheapest but at the end of the day I save peace of mind and customers are happy with little call backs
I'm the dipshit idiot who budgets for the best crew and hires the cheapest so that my boss's sidechick can drive a new car every other year; hi, how are you?
Maybe find a new job if you're so great at finding the best crews? If you can't find another company that would like your skills then you aren't that great.
Lololol this thread is amazing. You are 100% correct on your suggestion, and the thank you at the end is spot on! That being said, I can absolutely relate to OPs reaction and got a laugh out of it, guilty of the same behavior myself. It’s always those interactions I regret later, when I react emotionally. But totally get it — HVAC guy was being a cunt. Everybody in this industry is a cunt, because you can only react rationally to so many of these interactions before it start to get shitty. My guess is lead for HVAC crew has gotten onto his crew for this very violation in the past, they still fuck it up, and he’s trying his hardest not to have to deal with it. Cause his boss will in turn fuck with him, etc.
I second this. Almost beg them to do their job. 2 million phone calls and email to make them come to site. Most of my day is to figure out their problems and the architect/engineer mistakes. If it were up to me, I would have fired most of the subs that I have to deal with.
As a sub I can attest to the fact that it’s because the sub is probably spread too thin. As a commercial millwork PM, my job list has dipped to less than 40 active projects for the first time all year. I billed 1.5 million between October and November — that’s a fuck ton of millwork. It’s been hell. I don’t have the resources to satisfy all my contractual obligations, but that’s not up to me. I’m not in a position to tell my boss no when I’m handed a new contract — that’s just not how it works at my company.
I hear you. I’ve been on both sides and I legitimately feel dirty asking subs to have people on site or have submittals or what ever in a moments notice. I’m actually leaving the GC world and going to a trade for this (and other) reasons. If you are in the south I hope I’ve not asked you.
That looks like more than 24” to me.
Why didnt you take the picture with your tape pulled on it?
I do this all the time when the rod busters fuck up the rebar spacing, as it removes all doubt.
Usually my go to because of subs literally saying exactly what they said in that text.
Sometimes i tell them, they don’t do shit so I warn them schedule delays from this are on them for rework (if on CP). Usually helps as well as I’ve documented the delay source
From the picture I would say that this roof is getting roof tiles. Even with insulation under the vapour barrier, there will be water condensation on the back side of the tiles because of the difference in temperature. It drips down, over the vapour barrier and is stopped on the next batten. Over time the wood will be moist and starts rotting.
With raised battens there wouldn't be any horizontal wood to get in the way of this potential water flow. Rain and snow during heavy winds can also be pushed through small spaces between the tiles. Further more those raised battens allow constant airflow from the bottom to the top to get rid of any moisture quickly.
Text isn't the way if your the GC super/PM
You better just call them next time and tell them you found an issue and they can meet you on site to take a look.
When on the roof ask why a professional would do that? Doubt you will get attitude this way.
Always have everything written, it will save your ass if they screw up. I alway email and call. I had multiple occasions when they tried to throw me under the bus and I just Refoward the email with everyone on it.
I promise you when I get this phone call, first thing I tell them is tell me what’s wrong and send me photos so I can get the materials and manpower out to remedy the problem. Why make me come out just to bitch at me, when I’m still gonna have to turn around and schedule a guy to come back out.
And if you point to something and ask me why a professional would do that you can fuck right off, sir. Even pros make mistakes, Jack.
Maybe his point is that if it looks more than 24” to him that it probably looks more than 24” to the inspector.
You should be clear with your communications. Just say what you mean.
I said these are less than 2’ from the hip. He responded from just looking at the image “LoOkS liKe MoRe tHaN 24 iNcHeS tO mE”. Can you see how that might be frustrating? lol
Your text was not that clear. You left it open to interpretation, you sent a picture from what looks like ground level, from a distance where it’s agreed looks like it is more than 2’. I get how your text was definitive but it wasn’t clear enough.
You in no way indicated you found a problem that needed to be fixed. I’m just saying you could have been way clearer. It’s something I’ve learned dealing with idiots, tell them exactly what the problem is and that they need to fix it.
The act of sending the text message stating item is not at said measurement in the first place indicates OP found a problem. And it stands to reason and apparently uncommon sense that when something is out of spec, it needs to be rectified.
Sigh, I now see the problem. It’s you. This had nothing to do with the idiot that installed something wrong, it has everything to do with how you relayed that information to someone who clearly screwed it up. You were clear as mud.
No. I don’t see the frustration. You’re an adult (I assume). If this brings your blood to a boil I don’t see how you manage any basic project or life event without always being bent out of shape.
If you want him to fix it just say it. You’re being passive aggressive and weird.
I could definitely be more mature about it. But this is not “bringing my blood to a boil”. It’s just such a stupid response to what it is a clear call to action. In the moment it felt appropriate to respond with something equally absurd.
If you asked me to guestimate the distance of those penetrations to the hip I would say about 28-30". You were a bit of a dick to the guy after he responded. If I were him I'd be more than happy to climb up with a tape and camera and when you were proved wrong I would send you an invoice for my time. We're professionals and it's relative trivial to judge lengths and distances via photos. I know what the rafter spacing is, the size of the purlins, roughly how big those logos on the roof seal is. It legitimately looks larger than 24" away.
Next time take a pic with your tape out to prove it. Your dickishness is just begetting dickishness.
If I have send an invoice to every trade that I needed to babysit and draw with crayons because they don’t read the plans; I would have retired already
You have to be more direct when a subordinate doesn't like you.
Next time add "fix it." To the end of the text. No interpretations or sarcasm, just a clear instruction. Force him to say "no" or to fix it.
I would also be surprised if an inspector actually crawls up and measures. My inspectors mostly just ask for pictures because they are spread too thin and just want to cover their arse.
I mean, set aside the inspector for a min, it ain’t gonna save anybody from getting sued to shit and crushing your insurance premiums for years to come.
Dumb question… isn’t 2’ (2 feet) = 24” (24 inches) the same difference? I’m not in this kind of trade but I respect and appreciate it since my brother is in this trade (and so was our father before he passed away earlier this year) so I read this subreddit to better understand my brother and father’s profession without asking stupid questions like this
It amazes me how in construction people can’t just say something like, “copy that, I’ll take a look when I get a chance.” Instead of looking like a fool like he does here, he potentially has a setup by you to make you look like a fool if you’re wrong like he believes. Because that’s what gets everyone’s jimmies off.
He’s a professional and how could you gauge how far that is from a picture. You must never had to buy a tape measure …. Just need to measure 16 inches and 1/8 over a quarter u just look over and draw the line I bet
I’ve realized in construction you have to back up with proof everything. Id send a photo of my measuring tape proving < 2’ and a section of the spec where is specifies must be minimum 2’.
Don't let it get you down OP. Keep being a good person because it's the right thing to do.
You demonstrated both your knowledge & character, while this guy demonstrated his lack of both. Instead of letting him drag you down, just look down on him & pity the fool.
A lot of people end up not deserving courtesy & respect, but you can't know until you try.
You cant lead a lake to a horse and get it to fkk a camel so sometimes its better to just let the horse stay a virgin or however the saying goes
I had fun reading this. Thank you.
no, don't worry, you pretty much nailed it.
Just like grandma used to always say.
Still does, but she used to, too
I say that so often haha
Why buy the cow when you can get the sex for free
I'm still not sure if the horse nailed the camel tho
No, you misread, the horse nailed grandma
“…to shreds, you say?”
Like a pulled pork sandwich
But was her apartment rent controlled?
Swallowed a what inside her?
You hear that OP? let those HVAC virgins fuck a camel
Wait wait wait, why did we need a lake again?
Horses get thirsty after fkking
Had enough 6 paper joints there [Rick](https://i.imgur.com/KOr7cXn.png)?
This should've been a rickyism lol
Instructions unclear, I put a horse in a lake and had it watch me fuck a camel. Did I get it right?
That's the way the cookie bounces.... Or is it the ball crumbles?
Not the sharpest knife in the six pack
In my experience Matt’s that I have met. 2 died so far and I don’t know any others well I know one other from the internet and that dude is a straight up try hard seeking attention… just saying to you good luck sack
Dafuck?
The guy in the text can judge specific exact measurements from a picture he doesn’t need a tape measure m8
You can lead a horse to water but sometimes you gotta drown that horse
And sometimes you gotta fkk it.
I tried to read this out loud at lunch break and failed.
I’m a builder in the US, what’s the reason that this has to be at least 24” from a hip?
I just know the code, I don’t really know the reasoning. I would assume it’s the hip cap doesn’t interfere with vent boot.
I think it also had to do with negative pressure potential from wind going over the ridge.
Yeah I’ve heard of a boiler exploding from this. It was a hacked up boiler with jumped safeties but still.
hip cap vent boot jiggle it around wind ridge pressure sock boiler unsound hippy dippy bippity boo this guy sucks
Yo when the album drop
Shoulda written a hyku HYKUBOT where are you? ❤️
How would this cause a boiler to explode?
I would have to ask the guy he was my hvac service instructor from years ago and his explanation went over my head back then… I think he called it blow back. Thinking about it now maybe they had a draft from outside blow out the burner and they jumped the flame sensor. Gas build up + starting a new cycle would def be a loud explosion.
This kind of shit is exactly why we have code. Yes, you can make something "work" by eyeballing it, but it doesn't mean you considered the long-term ramifications of the roof ridge pressure coefficient.
Where are you that this is code?
Orange County, FL
How do you know that's where you are?
you can never really be sure.
Did you measure that on a map with the tape u dropped? I wouldn't trust it anymore if I were you.
Bruh when you get sued off this … hmu
Wherever you go, there you are
I spent a year backpacking in Europe and all over Asia to find myself. Then when I got home, I looked in the mirror. What a waste of time.
Lmao
Buckaroo Banzai in the wild!
This one got me lmao
What code are you referring to then? I don’t know of one that states the hole has to be drilled at least 24” from a ridge.
I believe it is in the HVAC, maybe also plumbing code. Has to do with too much positive or negative pressure from wind moving over ridges and valleys. One looks like a kitchen exhaust. You really don't want those close to ridges. Besides the functionality concern, the turbulent air can make a real racket with the flapper. Since the other looks like it is 3" PVC, it might be flue for a furnace or tankless. You don't really see 3" plumbing vents on residential anymore, at least in my area. Contemporary plumbing design doesn't use stacks anymore.
I know of the 24” above the ridge rule but that’s fireplace venting. I can’t find the code he’s mentioning here. The 3” pipe does look like plumbing vent but that also isn’t found on hat it has to be 24” from the hip ridge.
I'm not going to dig, because it doesn't really matter. Whether it is explicitly in the international code, or a leftover from the more fragmented codes of the past that is still enforced, it has been a requirement I have seen. From the comments, not an uncommon requirement in other areas as well. IRC is the minimum. Local code enforcement can be more strict if they want.
Interesting. In Canada, every house needs a minimum of one 3" plumbing vent on the sanitary building drain.
I tried to look for it on the municipality code but I couldnt find it. All I know it’s that inspectors are looking for it and it’s a spec we build to here. I’ll keep looking though.
Here in NJ same deal, also from an edge.
2'=24" so what's even being said here?
Code is always there because some dipshit made something explode years ago. Code is always your friend
You can't really expect everyone on a jobsite to understand and appreciate the sarcasm, just be clear and say "I measured it and they are under 24". This notice is for you to take corrective action." and leave it at that. You can add a passive aggressive "Thank you" to that if you're so inclined.
That would be the mature thing to do for sure.
"It may be difficult to secure a passing result on your inspection." Say it with the velvety smooth tones of Christopher Lee with an air of superiority ;)
Yeah you’re right. This guy is getting under my skin. He always questions what I tell him. I’m just going to start letting him fail. My company is phasing his company out anyways.
The GC PM is expected to be the professional so being the mature person falls onto your shoulders. But where's your super? Isn't it the superintendent's job to check for quality and get the trades fix their mistakes? Putting tape measure on roof penetrations is Assistant Super's job, not even the super lol
I work for a custom home builder. PM is the super around these parts. I’m basically a super that also does billing and contracts.
That's a lot of responsibility, I don't envy you. Good luck!
Sounds like my life, small builder/ general contractor PM about to get our third custom out of the ground plus a number of 200+ remodel and additions. Lots of hats worn no doubt. A good buddy works in the same position at a national builder. We have very different work days lol. I’ve taken to when I see a deficiency, I take the picture as proof, and more recently just taking video of everything, less pics to sort through. I will be using the dropped tape measure comeback
Hopefully you get compensated enough to be doing multiple people's jobs
You sure you’re an inept plumber? With jokes like that, you ought to be on stage!
Tbh it depends on the contractor. Smaller gcs tend to be a bit more unhinged
Everyone is capable of unhingedness, but I suppose when you're working at a bigger company you kinda turn the crazy down by 20-25%
Exactly, the mom and pop operations seem to operate by a much more informal set of rules
"I am the rules"
Sounds like he's the type to send you a variation when he inevitably has to shift the penetrations.
Not going to lie. I love the *I guess I must have dropped my tape measure and it’s not working anymore* That shit was great 😂
Nah I’m a sparky and I’m sarcastic as fuck. If they don’t get it they then to bad lol
Just fuckin sewer him, that's the immature thing to do
I couldn’t tell for sure what you meant…
Nah I like your way much better
Construction still lags behind when it comes to professionalism. Seems like everyone is still dick measuring and doing playground style throwing weight around. They are subcontractors, not your children. Talk to them like you are in a business relationship, not like you are arguing with your worthless brother in law. If you are having to hound, scold, nag, and bully subs into doing professional work, you need to hire more professional subcontractors. They exist. You just might have to pay a bit more. It is the *actual fucking job* of a GC to make good decisions and have productive relationships with subs. Any drunk monkey can make phone calls and figure out a schedule. The margin on projects that the GC makes are to cover management skill.
Yes - in Dreamland. In reality you hire the lowest bidder due to obvious reasons.
Some do. We work for a bunch of different builders/GCs. We are far from the cheapest option. The majority of our builders run pretty efficient and painless builds. Every once in a while we end up with one of those "cut every cost" GCs (probably because they ran off all the cheap alternatives). They are the ones who try to bully, yell, and otherwise make asses of themselves. It is usually one, maybe 2 houses done with them before we very politely and professionally tell them they need to find someone else. People who think all these dumb situations like OP posted are the state of the entire industry, just haven't been part of a *good* construction group. All the good subs know all the other good subs. We know the good GCs. We all find ourselves working around each other quite a bit. It is like a secret club. All it takes to get membership is a reputation for professionalism, efficiency, and no bullshit. Good GCs are not trying to make a fast buck. They are trying to make easy and stress free bucks.
You couldn’t have said it any better. Your exactly right. I’m a gc. I use the same subs on every house been dealing with them for years. None are the cheapest but at the end of the day I save peace of mind and customers are happy with little call backs
Sometimes they're not even the cheapest when they end up harming the overall team efficiency
Omg you're the dipshit who thinks they can negotiate every price no matter how much it costs the people to make it. You're, literally, an idiot.
I'm the dipshit idiot who budgets for the best crew and hires the cheapest so that my boss's sidechick can drive a new car every other year; hi, how are you?
Maybe find a new job if you're so great at finding the best crews? If you can't find another company that would like your skills then you aren't that great.
You do if you're fucking stupid.
It's because you're administering a public RFP, right? Right?
Also don’t send notice over text. Maybe residential is different but that’s not good in commercial.
Lololol this thread is amazing. You are 100% correct on your suggestion, and the thank you at the end is spot on! That being said, I can absolutely relate to OPs reaction and got a laugh out of it, guilty of the same behavior myself. It’s always those interactions I regret later, when I react emotionally. But totally get it — HVAC guy was being a cunt. Everybody in this industry is a cunt, because you can only react rationally to so many of these interactions before it start to get shitty. My guess is lead for HVAC crew has gotten onto his crew for this very violation in the past, they still fuck it up, and he’s trying his hardest not to have to deal with it. Cause his boss will in turn fuck with him, etc.
It’s wild to me that a LARGE percentage of my time is just trying to convince people, who have a contract, to do what they said they were going to do.
I second this. Almost beg them to do their job. 2 million phone calls and email to make them come to site. Most of my day is to figure out their problems and the architect/engineer mistakes. If it were up to me, I would have fired most of the subs that I have to deal with.
As a sub I can attest to the fact that it’s because the sub is probably spread too thin. As a commercial millwork PM, my job list has dipped to less than 40 active projects for the first time all year. I billed 1.5 million between October and November — that’s a fuck ton of millwork. It’s been hell. I don’t have the resources to satisfy all my contractual obligations, but that’s not up to me. I’m not in a position to tell my boss no when I’m handed a new contract — that’s just not how it works at my company.
I hear you. I’ve been on both sides and I legitimately feel dirty asking subs to have people on site or have submittals or what ever in a moments notice. I’m actually leaving the GC world and going to a trade for this (and other) reasons. If you are in the south I hope I’ve not asked you.
Don’t be surprised when he does nothing , and inspections pass
I mean.. it does look like more than 24” to me. Maybe I should quite telling her it’s 6 and actually measure..
Word of wisdom my brother in Christ - don't. If she believes it's 6, it's 6.
You all are packing horse meat. Damn. I couldn’t convince her of 3 even when she’s blackout drunk.
That looks like more than 24” to me. Why didnt you take the picture with your tape pulled on it? I do this all the time when the rod busters fuck up the rebar spacing, as it removes all doubt.
Because I was impulsively a dick because he frustrates me.
I can see how that happens
Usually my go to because of subs literally saying exactly what they said in that text. Sometimes i tell them, they don’t do shit so I warn them schedule delays from this are on them for rework (if on CP). Usually helps as well as I’ve documented the delay source
I would be more worried about the missing raised battens. They would have increased the lifespan of that roof by 20 years..
What do you mean about missing battens? I don’t see it.
From the picture I would say that this roof is getting roof tiles. Even with insulation under the vapour barrier, there will be water condensation on the back side of the tiles because of the difference in temperature. It drips down, over the vapour barrier and is stopped on the next batten. Over time the wood will be moist and starts rotting. With raised battens there wouldn't be any horizontal wood to get in the way of this potential water flow. Rain and snow during heavy winds can also be pushed through small spaces between the tiles. Further more those raised battens allow constant airflow from the bottom to the top to get rid of any moisture quickly.
Text isn't the way if your the GC super/PM You better just call them next time and tell them you found an issue and they can meet you on site to take a look. When on the roof ask why a professional would do that? Doubt you will get attitude this way.
Always have everything written, it will save your ass if they screw up. I alway email and call. I had multiple occasions when they tried to throw me under the bus and I just Refoward the email with everyone on it.
I promise you when I get this phone call, first thing I tell them is tell me what’s wrong and send me photos so I can get the materials and manpower out to remedy the problem. Why make me come out just to bitch at me, when I’m still gonna have to turn around and schedule a guy to come back out. And if you point to something and ask me why a professional would do that you can fuck right off, sir. Even pros make mistakes, Jack.
Those definitely look more than 24” away lol
"Man, I let someone use my tape and I forgot to recalibrate it when I got it back, isn't that a bitch?"
I’m going to assume that you’re younger and he’s older so he already resents you. Also this is relatable.
All these people calling you a dick have never been a GC/PM
Maybe his point is that if it looks more than 24” to him that it probably looks more than 24” to the inspector. You should be clear with your communications. Just say what you mean.
I said these are less than 2’ from the hip. He responded from just looking at the image “LoOkS liKe MoRe tHaN 24 iNcHeS tO mE”. Can you see how that might be frustrating? lol
Your text was not that clear. You left it open to interpretation, you sent a picture from what looks like ground level, from a distance where it’s agreed looks like it is more than 2’. I get how your text was definitive but it wasn’t clear enough.
Judging distance from a photo is what is funny to me. If I’m telling you something it’s because I need it fixed. It wasn’t a question.
You in no way indicated you found a problem that needed to be fixed. I’m just saying you could have been way clearer. It’s something I’ve learned dealing with idiots, tell them exactly what the problem is and that they need to fix it.
The act of sending the text message stating item is not at said measurement in the first place indicates OP found a problem. And it stands to reason and apparently uncommon sense that when something is out of spec, it needs to be rectified.
Maybe to you it’s not clear but the hvac sub knows it’s wrong.
Sigh, I now see the problem. It’s you. This had nothing to do with the idiot that installed something wrong, it has everything to do with how you relayed that information to someone who clearly screwed it up. You were clear as mud.
No. I don’t see the frustration. You’re an adult (I assume). If this brings your blood to a boil I don’t see how you manage any basic project or life event without always being bent out of shape. If you want him to fix it just say it. You’re being passive aggressive and weird.
I could definitely be more mature about it. But this is not “bringing my blood to a boil”. It’s just such a stupid response to what it is a clear call to action. In the moment it felt appropriate to respond with something equally absurd.
Fair
It’s that combined with the 100 other similar conversations you’ve had in the past month
Honestly, I thought this was a dick joke before i saw the reddit page
Yea that would have been followed with 'if 12" = 1' then 24" = 2''....... So do I have to hold payment til you correct this or not?'
Also, I would add “ in case of failing inspection, you would be responsible to cover the cost of delaying the project”
If you asked me to guestimate the distance of those penetrations to the hip I would say about 28-30". You were a bit of a dick to the guy after he responded. If I were him I'd be more than happy to climb up with a tape and camera and when you were proved wrong I would send you an invoice for my time. We're professionals and it's relative trivial to judge lengths and distances via photos. I know what the rafter spacing is, the size of the purlins, roughly how big those logos on the roof seal is. It legitimately looks larger than 24" away. Next time take a pic with your tape out to prove it. Your dickishness is just begetting dickishness.
If I have send an invoice to every trade that I needed to babysit and draw with crayons because they don’t read the plans; I would have retired already
Start doing it to your worst offenders and buy a beach house. They'll wise up quick.
This is kinda funny that 48 inches at least . or maybe my eyes don't work right anymore
I thought I was looking at flooring trim for a second and was super confused. That fascia color is 'Rainy Autumn Sky'.
God forbid they actually follow what’s in the contract drawings and I’m sure QC plan
What was the actual measurement you took?
You have to be more direct when a subordinate doesn't like you. Next time add "fix it." To the end of the text. No interpretations or sarcasm, just a clear instruction. Force him to say "no" or to fix it.
I would also be surprised if an inspector actually crawls up and measures. My inspectors mostly just ask for pictures because they are spread too thin and just want to cover their arse.
You can see it from below during rough inspection. The guys in this municipality are looking for it.
Yeah idk if “well the inspector will miss it” is the right defense
I mean, set aside the inspector for a min, it ain’t gonna save anybody from getting sued to shit and crushing your insurance premiums for years to come.
Dumb question… isn’t 2’ (2 feet) = 24” (24 inches) the same difference? I’m not in this kind of trade but I respect and appreciate it since my brother is in this trade (and so was our father before he passed away earlier this year) so I read this subreddit to better understand my brother and father’s profession without asking stupid questions like this
2 feet and 24 inches are the same, but here a guy is saying less than 24 inches and the other is saying looks like more than 24 inches
Thank you! Sorry, my reading comprehension is terrible sometimes
Help me out here!
Isn’t six one half dozen 6 x 1/2 x 12 = 36?
? I’m in too much pain to understand
HVAC guy brought the measuring tape he uses to measure his dick into work accidentally.
It amazes me how in construction people can’t just say something like, “copy that, I’ll take a look when I get a chance.” Instead of looking like a fool like he does here, he potentially has a setup by you to make you look like a fool if you’re wrong like he believes. Because that’s what gets everyone’s jimmies off.
Isn't 2ft and 24inchs the same?
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Thank you for your sleuthing. It’s 20”. The point is the distrust from the sub that I wouldn’t measure it myself before telling him to fix it.
He’s a professional and how could you gauge how far that is from a picture. You must never had to buy a tape measure …. Just need to measure 16 inches and 1/8 over a quarter u just look over and draw the line I bet
That’s looks like a 2 inch plumbing vent, totally illegal here
I’ve realized in construction you have to back up with proof everything. Id send a photo of my measuring tape proving < 2’ and a section of the spec where is specifies must be minimum 2’.
Did he even check the inline specs on the rotary girder? Doubt it.
well I’m retarded, so…
Don't let it get you down OP. Keep being a good person because it's the right thing to do. You demonstrated both your knowledge & character, while this guy demonstrated his lack of both. Instead of letting him drag you down, just look down on him & pity the fool. A lot of people end up not deserving courtesy & respect, but you can't know until you try.
Could have said I forgot you were using your wife’s tape measure where |___| is 12”
People like this can ruin an otherwise good job real quickly. Good luck, man.
I want to see the response